DUBNYK TRADED TO PREDS... ACQUIRE SCRIVENS

Jason Gregor
January 15 2014 01:10PM

The Oilers have traded Devan Dubnyk to the Nashville Predators for centre/winger Matt Hendricks.

Hendricks is in the first of a four-year deal that pays him $1.85 million.

Dubnyk will be a UFA at the end of the season.

Hendricks is a 4th line guy who kills penalties.

He will be their 4th line centre, maybe winger, for the foreseeable future, so clearly the organization isn't that high on Anton Lander. Lander needs to improve his footspeed. I know some won't like Hendricks' contract, and that is fair, but if the cap keeps going up it won't look as bad as it does today. He doesn't bring any offence, however, so in two years it could look really bad. A gamble for sure.

He plays the 2nd most PK minutes of any Nashville forward, so expect him to play a lot on the PK here. The Preds PK is currently 13th.

Thoughts?

According to Bob McKenzie the Oilers have acquired Edmonton native Ben Scrivens from LA for a 3rd round pick as well.

So Hendricks and Scrivens for Dubnyk and a 3rd...

Thoughts?

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#51 OilCanFan
January 15 2014, 01:38PM
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As far as I'm concerned, the goalie is a swap of peers, both about the same historically. Bryz is also terrible. Seems to me all we did was gain an extra offensively challenged center - didn't the Oilers already have that with Lander without giving up another contract spot?

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#52 Spydyr
January 15 2014, 01:38PM
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geoilersgist wrote:

BUT GAGNER WILL GET US BOTH OF THOSE PICKS BACK

It goes to show no teams are interested in the lower half players on this team. They all want draft picks.

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#53 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 15 2014, 01:38PM
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Jay wrote:

Yup, and they haven't been worst. Still the worst team in hockey

So you think they are at the same level this year as last? Win loss column doesnt support that

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#54 geoilersgist
January 15 2014, 01:40PM
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@Spydyr

I think that is because a large portion of our bottom 6 aren't really bottom six players in this league... I am honestly ok with these trades because we got a slightly better goalie and someone who knows their role on the 4th line and can play it.

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#55 Spydyr
January 15 2014, 01:41PM
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geoilersgist wrote:

I think that is because a large portion of our bottom 6 aren't really bottom six players in this league... I am honestly ok with these trades because we got a slightly better goalie and someone who knows their role on the 4th line and can play it.

Teams that trade their draft picks for quick fixes end up as losers. Oh wait.

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#56 Tikkanese
January 15 2014, 01:41PM
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Oil traded for Johnny Hendricks? (UFC joke)

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#57 Blucifer Copperballs
January 15 2014, 01:44PM
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Exciting stuff, but probably not the answer. It will be interesting to watch Dubnyk and Scrivens numbers, and see if Dubnyks goes up behind NSH d-corp, and Scrivens drop off with EDM's d men playing above where they would on any other team.

As for Hendricks, i'd rather over pay him than watch Lander play anymore NHL hockey here.

MORE TRADES, MORE TRADES!!! WHEEE.....

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#58 Tikkanese
January 15 2014, 01:44PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Teams that trade their draft picks for quick fixes end up as losers. Oh wait.

Quick fixes? Dubnyk will be a UFA. Hendricks we have 3 more years after this. Scrivens at least one more year. Nice try though.

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#59 Jay
January 15 2014, 01:44PM
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reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan) wrote:

So you think they are at the same level this year as last? Win loss column doesnt support that

I think this team sucks. I think they suck this year, i think they sucked last year and i think they sucked 6 years straight before that. You really wanna argue what sh!tty team is better then the other sh!tty team?

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#60 oilerman53
January 15 2014, 01:45PM
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A warm body an actual NHL player in exchange for Dubnyk? You gotta call this a win, Flubnyk has gotta be one of the worst positionally awkward big men in goal in the whole NHL. Going out and getting Scrivens right after is icing on that cake. Scrivens was obviously the odd man out with Jones strong play after Quicks injury. Not looking too bad considering how poor the goaltending was to start the year. Now onto some competent defensemen and this might start looking promising.

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#61 Dan
January 15 2014, 01:47PM
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Trade does very little as D is still horrible, Forwards lack size. Scrivens' body of work is much less than Dubnyk and he played for a good defensive team...Oiler fans will soon be on Scrivens when he posts a .900 sv percentage behind this shoddy team. Getting Hendricks and his contract is a big gamble...pretty expensive to play a fourth line forward with little production. Definitely not a bold move by MacT...

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#62 They're $hittie
January 15 2014, 01:49PM
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Proper asset management says you sign or trade hemsky before doing something with Gagner. Gagner can still be traded in the summer after free agency gets tight or at the draft. Hemsky is goners. So I think the next move is trading hemsky, and building up gagner as a wing so he can be traded, or slot into there permanently so Eberle or Yak can be moved for the Dman or number two center.

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#63 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 15 2014, 01:49PM
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Jay wrote:

I think this team sucks. I think they suck this year, i think they sucked last year and i think they sucked 6 years straight before that. You really wanna argue what sh!tty team is better then the other sh!tty team?

Their record was better last year than this my friend. no argument needed.

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#64 bazmagoo
January 15 2014, 01:50PM
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MacT did well today in my opinion, but I'm always an eternal optimist when it comes to my Oilers. They certainly do have a way of ruining that and turning me into a pessimist though. Go Oilers Go!

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#65 Me
January 15 2014, 01:50PM
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PimKing wrote:

holy wow would you look at that?!? at the very least someone is trying to win, wish the group on the ice ( you specifically worst DEFENCEMEN ever) would try the same.

i find myself watching most games saying to myself " just play your own damn position" these dmen just go where ever the hell they want and then when they get scored on you can almost see it in their faces... o ya, riiiight F*ck meeee. and then they press repeat. in my day if my d partner was all over my side i would use my words and communicate to him to piss off and worry about your sh*t the rest will take care of itself.

so, in conclusion, i like the trades, just hope a new dman is on the way as well, maybe one with 50..4..ok 300 games played.

everyday im byfuglien....

Right...Byfuglien makes perfect sense here. He's horrible on D and comes in outa shape...it's perfect for him here...since there's no accountability. Same reason Hall has higher numbers...he can take all the risks he wants and not be held accountable.

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#66 They're $hittie
January 15 2014, 01:50PM
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how funny would will it be when flames finish dead last next year, and lose the lottery. Than trade Baertschi for Tyler Biggs, and Monohan for Tom Wilson.

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#67 bwar
January 15 2014, 01:51PM
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Hendricks is a guy I thought the Oilers should have targeted in free agency and honestly I think Scrivens is the same calibre goalie as Dubnyk. Fair trades overall in my books.

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#68 Tikkanese
January 15 2014, 01:51PM
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reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan) wrote:

Smithson had the same words said about him

Smithson and grit have never been used in the same sentence. Even if he was carrying actual sandpaper it wouldn't happen.

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#69 Andy7190
January 15 2014, 01:52PM
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reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan) wrote:

What makes anyone think Scrivens will do well in this defensive wasteland?

I don't know how many more games he'll win, but I bet he won't lose that many.

No more 1 40footer against per night games for the Oil.

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#70 Lowe Expectations
January 15 2014, 01:52PM
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The moves are okay. Dubnyk was never going to develop here, Scrivens has a clean slate to establish himself as a legitimate NHLer. Hendricks is a depth player who will PK. Adding a forward looks like insurance because all the Oilers will get is a draft pick for Hemsky.

However, any hope for real improvement won't happen until bold moves are made, but that won't happen until the offseason.

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#71 Jay
January 15 2014, 01:52PM
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reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan) wrote:

Their record was better last year than this my friend. no argument needed.

I miss Krueger too bud

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#72 Me
January 15 2014, 01:52PM
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reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan) wrote:

Their record was better last year than this my friend. no argument needed.

So theyre improving....at sucking!!!!! hahahahaha losers.

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#73 Zarny
January 15 2014, 01:52PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Teams that trade their draft picks for quick fixes end up as losers. Oh wait.

Not true at all.

Contenders routinely trade picks and prospects for proven NHL players.

It's teams that always trade proven NHLers for draft picks that end up losers.

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#74 They're $hittie
January 15 2014, 01:53PM
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Me wrote:

Right...Byfuglien makes perfect sense here. He's horrible on D and comes in outa shape...it's perfect for him here...since there's no accountability. Same reason Hall has higher numbers...he can take all the risks he wants and not be held accountable.

Eakins wouldn't want this trade unless he felt he could improve buffs fitness. He has been ok defensively before so if the deal happens than I have faith that they feel they can resurrect him.

Probably have to overpay to get him. I would like wheeler and Ladd instead.

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#75 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 15 2014, 01:53PM
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Andy7190 wrote:

I don't know how many more games he'll win, but I bet he won't lose that many.

No more 1 40footer against per night games for the Oil.

we hope.

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#76 bazmagoo
January 15 2014, 01:53PM
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Considering we'll likely be saving money next season on Nick Schultz, Ales Hemsky, Dennis Grebeshkov, Ben Eager, amongst others I'd say the fact that Hendricks makes approx $350,000 more than he is worth won't be much of an issue.

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#77 Andy7190
January 15 2014, 01:54PM
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Me wrote:

Jonathan Willis should tell us on twitter how he really feels about the Dubnyk deal....hahahahahahaha.

He'll probably give you some stats saying that Dubnyk's great save % will be sorely missed...

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#78 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 15 2014, 01:55PM
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Jay wrote:

I miss Krueger too bud

He was so positive (sobbing) I miss him so much. (more sobbing) but at least the new guy redecorated... (even louder sobbing)

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#79 Johnnydapunk
January 15 2014, 01:55PM
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I don't think it is a huge gamble either, Scrivens is a UFA this summer, so the Oil are still in the market for a goaltender, I mean they left their options opens for goalies for next year as they have no one signed for next season, Brossoit, Bunz and Tuohimaa are the only goalies the Oil have on the books for next season and Bachman is an RFA so I guess they could feasibly resign him.

Hopefully Scrivens does alright here and if he works out, we can try to resign him, if not there are a lot of goalies available this summer.

At first I was cool with Bryzgalov, but he just doesn't seem to be the answer, again it's also a defence issue so until that gets sorted, goaltending is gonna struggle whoever you have back there.

Either way, this trade seems pretty good and hopefully some more moves are coming.

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#80 Eulers
January 15 2014, 01:55PM
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Dubnyk has played poorly this year, but has his stock fallen to 4th line center? Ouch!

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#81 Me
January 15 2014, 01:56PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

Eakins wouldn't want this trade unless he felt he could improve buffs fitness. He has been ok defensively before so if the deal happens than I have faith that they feel they can resurrect him.

Probably have to overpay to get him. I would like wheeler and Ladd instead.

A winning team with proven vets is what controls guys like Buff....

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#82 ColourMeImpressed
January 15 2014, 01:57PM
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bazmagoo wrote:

Considering we'll likely be saving money next season on Nick Schultz, Ales Hemsky, Dennis Grebeshkov, Ben Eager, amongst others I'd say the fact that Hendricks makes approx $350,000 more than he is worth won't be much of an issue.

He makes $350k more than he's worth - this year.

Next year, because he'll be older, slower, and Belanger, he'll make $850k more than he's worth.

The year after that, when he'll be older, Belanger, and Belanger, he'll make $1,350k more than he's worth.

The final year of his contract in Edmonton, when he's Belanger, Belanger, and Belanger, he'll be earning $1,850k more than he's worth.

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#83 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 15 2014, 01:57PM
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Eulers wrote:

Dubnyk has played poorly this year, but has his stock fallen to 4th line center? Ouch!

I dont think his stock was ever that high. the book on him for the last 5 or 6 years was that he didnt have the quickness or lateral movement to be a true number 1. Only this organization would see value where there is none.

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#84 Oilbaron
January 15 2014, 01:57PM
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Scrivens has a 0.931 save% in 19 games for the kings, and his career numbers are a cut above Dubbi's. Also to this point he has been paid much less than Dubnyk.

Add to that an unquestionable 4th line center and you have a pretty major club improvement in my view

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#85 Oilbaron
January 15 2014, 01:58PM
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Ben Scrivens stares into your soul:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icPq34vVRxA

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#86 Spydyr
January 15 2014, 01:59PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

Quick fixes? Dubnyk will be a UFA. Hendricks we have 3 more years after this. Scrivens at least one more year. Nice try though.

Scrivens is still unproven. Hendricks is what he is a fourth line player.Good teams draft good players in the second and third round.The Oilers are not a good team.Nice try though.

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#87 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 15 2014, 02:00PM
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Oilbaron wrote:

Scrivens has a 0.931 save% in 19 games for the kings, and his career numbers are a cut above Dubbi's. Also to this point he has been paid much less than Dubnyk.

Add to that an unquestionable 4th line center and you have a pretty major club improvement in my view

But you havent seen him play on this team so you may wanna reserve judgement. Using his numbers with the Kings may not be appropriate as the Kings not only know that defense needs to be played in the NHL they do it as well as any team in the last decade perhaps.

Not saying they have been the best for the past decade just saying this year they are as good or better than most teams in that period of time

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#88 CaptainLander
January 15 2014, 02:01PM
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@ColourMeImpressed

Difference may be that from a brief look, Hendricks comes in with more hits then any Oiler forward

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#89 Bryan in SK
January 15 2014, 02:02PM
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Well, these moves are more bold than I've come to expect in the past several years. I think we are marginally better now than we were this morning.

I still wonder, however, about the impact that our goalie coach is having on our guys, and whether Chabot is the right guy to move these guys forward (or at least sustain what they bring when they get here.)

Best of wishes to you, Devan! May you shutout the Canucks and Leafs every time, and may you always give up 8 against the Oilers!

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#90 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 15 2014, 02:02PM
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CaptainLander wrote:

Difference may be that from a brief look, Hendricks comes in with more hits then any Oiler forward

The Oilers will break him of that

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#91 Zamboni Driver
January 15 2014, 02:02PM
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Goalie for Goalie...whatever. Dubnyk was finished here anyway.

I can't help thinking about a discussion Gregor and Strudwick had on Gregor's show a while back. Studwick went on very passionately...

The problem is not who is playing on your fourth line.

Apparently for the "Braintrust" that's all they can figure out.

I'm sure whatever his name is will be a fine player. But you couldn't get ONE D-man better than the garbage on this team now? I'm not saying 'good', I'm saying better. How hard could that possibly be?

MacT has an MBA and everything!

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#92 Tikkanese
January 15 2014, 02:02PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Scrivens is still unproven. Hendricks is what he is a fourth line player.Good teams draft good players in the second and third round.The Oilers are not a good team.Nice try though.

2nd rounders have a 10% chance of becoming regular NHLers, let alone "good players". 3rd rounders are even less. Nice try though.

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#93 Zarny
January 15 2014, 02:04PM
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I have no problems with what MacT has done. There is no silver bullet. The Oilers aren't 1 move away.

Dubnyk had to be moved; the well has been poisoned. He's been the heir apparent for years now and he failed. You can't keep him as a back-up or a tandem because he'd always have that baggage of failure hanging around.

And since Bryz isn't playing well either MacT had to make a move. To make a move he had to move Dubnyk. Right now, with a 3.36 GAA and 0.894 SV% Dubnyk isn't worth much. That's reality.

I'm not optimistic Scrivens is the answer long term but he can't be worse. And even if Hendricks doesn't work out no team has been in cap trouble because of a guy making $1.85M.

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#94 Will
January 15 2014, 02:05PM
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It's hard not to like this or any kind of movement considering the season the Oilers are having. With any luck they can either resign Bryz short term and have a decent 1 - 2 with the hope that Scrivens can be the number 1 guy. Or we can trade Bryz before the deadline for something.

I would like to see Mac T finally make good on his bold move promise and make a hockey trade. One of the wonder kids for some serious D. Getting that number 1 or top 2 guy could completely alter the look of our D core and I think we have enough fire power up front still that with some better defence the Oilers could win some games.

Now with both Gordon and Hendricks, our Pk and bottom 6 should be better defensively.

Using one of Klefbomb, Nurse, or Marincin, I think Mac T could eventually get a big gritter winger that can play with skill, or maybe even an upgrade on our number 2 centre. That's how I would go about improving the Oilers from here on out.

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#95 Spydyr
January 15 2014, 02:07PM
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Zarny wrote:

Not true at all.

Contenders routinely trade picks and prospects for proven NHL players.

It's teams that always trade proven NHLers for draft picks that end up losers.

Tell that to Sam Pollock the GM that won 12 Stanley cups.

Here is one story:

Among one of his shrewdest moves, was a series of trades in which the Canadiens obtained the first overall pick in the 1971 NHL Entry Draft, the year in which Guy Lafleur would be eligible. It appeared as if the first overall selection would be held by the California Golden Seals so he persuaded Seals owner Charlie Finley to trade the Seals' pick and François Lacombe in return for Montreal's first round pick and a veteran Ernie Hicke. However, during the 1970-71 season, the Los Angeles Kings were playing even more poorly than the hapless California Seals. The Kings were in danger of "beating" the Seals out for last place, and if this happened Pollock would lose his first overall pick. Pollock cleverly traded the aging but still valuable Ralph Backstrom to the Kings for two insignificant players. Backstrom's presence lifted the Kings out of last place, the Seals finished at the bottom, granting the Habs the first pick. Pollock hesitated between Lafleur and Marcel Dionne, but chose Lafleur with his overall no.1 pick.

Now that is a GM.

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#96 Fauxrumors
January 15 2014, 02:08PM
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Yes...trading away the third wound pick doesn't seem so bad...but the pick is essentially a late second round pick with the Oilers battling for the lotto picks once again.

Don't see how either of these moves make the Oilers any better or move them any closer to playoff contention in the future.

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#97 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 15 2014, 02:08PM
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Homer simpsons quote always reminds me of the Oilers

"How come things that happen to dumb people always happen to me?"

Lowe should get that tattood on his back.

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#98 Zarny
January 15 2014, 02:08PM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

Goalie for Goalie...whatever. Dubnyk was finished here anyway.

I can't help thinking about a discussion Gregor and Strudwick had on Gregor's show a while back. Studwick went on very passionately...

The problem is not who is playing on your fourth line.

Apparently for the "Braintrust" that's all they can figure out.

I'm sure whatever his name is will be a fine player. But you couldn't get ONE D-man better than the garbage on this team now? I'm not saying 'good', I'm saying better. How hard could that possibly be?

MacT has an MBA and everything!

Let's keep this real.

There is no "the problem" in Edm.

There are problems...plural. And one of them is who is playing on the 4th line. Most of them aren't bona fide NHL players.

I would agree the blueline is a more acute problem; but the answer is no...MacT couldn't get a better D in a trade for Dubnyk because no one was willing to give up a better D for Dubnyk.

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#99 moog's helmet
January 15 2014, 02:08PM
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With a cap of $70 million and an owner willing to spend to it $1.8 million for an effective fourth liner is a non issue.

When you're 29th place you can't "overvalue" your assets. If you did you'd never make a trade.

I like Dubnyk. Feel bad for him. Outside of the first five games this year I really don't know if he blew his chance or if the Defence is that bad. Who knows? Maybe even Henrik Lundqvist would be throwing his stick in the air playing behind this group.

Don't start trashing MacT because these moves aren't "bold" let it go. Don't forget the "bold moves" quote was only the third dumbest thing said at that press conference. MacT is trying. His lack of bold moves isn't because he's new or that he overvalues his players it's because he's the GM of a 29th place team in a league where only 16 trades have been made all year.

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#100 Hemmercules
January 15 2014, 02:08PM
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The Oilers aren't a better or worse team after these moves. Lateral at best. Scrivs won't look better than Brys or Duby behind the softest defense in the NHL, not a chance. Duby was done but seems like they could have got something better in return. Nothing in return almost seems better than Hendricks.

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