DUBNYK TRADED TO PREDS... ACQUIRE SCRIVENS

Jason Gregor
January 15 2014 01:10PM

The Oilers have traded Devan Dubnyk to the Nashville Predators for centre/winger Matt Hendricks.

Hendricks is in the first of a four-year deal that pays him $1.85 million.

Dubnyk will be a UFA at the end of the season.

Hendricks is a 4th line guy who kills penalties.

He will be their 4th line centre, maybe winger, for the foreseeable future, so clearly the organization isn't that high on Anton Lander. Lander needs to improve his footspeed. I know some won't like Hendricks' contract, and that is fair, but if the cap keeps going up it won't look as bad as it does today. He doesn't bring any offence, however, so in two years it could look really bad. A gamble for sure.

He plays the 2nd most PK minutes of any Nashville forward, so expect him to play a lot on the PK here. The Preds PK is currently 13th.

Thoughts?

According to Bob McKenzie the Oilers have acquired Edmonton native Ben Scrivens from LA for a 3rd round pick as well.

So Hendricks and Scrivens for Dubnyk and a 3rd...

Thoughts?

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#201 JDP
January 15 2014, 04:18PM
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its all about results.

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#202 2004Z06
January 15 2014, 04:19PM
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Mike Wazowski wrote:

I love how you keep quoting the picks as a measure of value. There have and will be good undrafted players. Hell, one of them played for the Oilers... Curtis Joseph!

Just because the Oilers took Dubnyk in the first round doesn't mean he should have gone in the 1st round. We all know how crappy the Oilers draft record was pre 2010.

If (and it is only if) Scrivens turns out to be better than Dubnyk, will you still feel the same?

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#203 Spydyr
January 15 2014, 04:19PM
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Chris. wrote:

Five hours ago the Oilers had one less bad contract, a high third round pick, and a different unproven UFA goaltender.

This may be the most expensive audition ever... I sure hope Scrivens works out.

Someone else here gets it.

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#204 JDP
January 15 2014, 04:20PM
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and now hemsky to la and we get that 3rd back

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#205 Mike Wazowski
January 15 2014, 04:21PM
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Oilcruzer wrote:

I will never forget the day when Edmonton had the 14th pick in the 2004 Entry Draft. Everyone expected Barry's son' Drew to be picked but Buffalo jumped in at 13. Wait, no worries, Rob Schremp was still available.

Kevin Lowe proudly sauntered up and beamed "With the 14th pick, the Edmonton Oilers are proud to select, from the Kamloops Blazers (really, who could this be?), Devan Dubnyk!"

I spit out my drink and said "Who the heck is Devan Dubnyk!?!?!?"

Radulov was picked next. Some others that looked promising were picked after.

Funny thing was, Rob Schremp kept dropping, dropping, dropping... "gee, does no one like this guy".

Then the Oil got "lucky" and picked Rob Schremp with the 25th pick. Cory Schneider went next to Vancouver.

Ah, the 2004 draft. Who knew, out of that first round class, Edmonton couldn't land one solid player? Maybe this was a foretelling of things to come.

Welcome to 2014.

Sometimes you never know. Perhaps the greatest goalie of our generation, Mary Brodeur, was drafted 20th overall. That means, aside from the Oilers, 18 other teams passed on him. You don't think 19 teams look back now and say "I wish we drafted him!"?

Take a look through a few NHL guidebooks and you will see every single team has passed on a player that could have really helped them or have drafted a dud.

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#206 Walter Sobchak
January 15 2014, 04:21PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

And that's why the analytical community doesn't play hockey.

Everyone is looking at this trade from the wrong angle.

It doesn't matter who/how old/cap hit at all with regards to Hendricks.

It was the cost to move Dubnyk out. Period.

Have none of you heard of two teams swapping reclamation projects? That is all this was.

We have heard many NHL sportscasters talk of having to bring back another teams bad contract to get rid of one of your own.

A fresh start for both players may be just what is needed.

Then waive him!!! Why take a boat anchor of a contract back? Who said you have to do that?

Dubnyk was worth nothing! Zero, so take zero back! Instead the Oilers got a 33 year old with three years left at 1.85.

You could get that exact player come this summer at half that cost! Half!!

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#207 2004Z06
January 15 2014, 04:22PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Someone else here gets it.

So you are saying 3.5 mil/yr for a .894 sv% goalie is a good contract?

They swapped bad contracts and are auditioning a high level goalie prospect for around 300k.

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#208 Walter Sobchak
January 15 2014, 04:23PM
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emonkee wrote:

Normally I only bother reading LT and Gregor's blogs coz they are the only ones I care to read up on...in this case, I will give JW the benefit of the doubt becoz he is commenting purely on Hendricks for Dubbie, and not in conjunction with the Scriven's deal.

Yes, if you just trade Hendricks for Dubbie, of coz we lose big time, but you need to account for Scriven. Since we may be on a desperation mode to get the Dubbie deal done before the Scrivens, unfortunately we aren't going to get 80 cents on the dollar.

You go look at the Preds roster, and you tell me who the Preds are willing to trade in order to get a UFA goalie as a stop gap? They aren't going to give away Hornqvist or Fisher or Stalberg, so you are obvioulsy going to be left with a guy like Hendricks. Do we want more for Dubbie? Yes, but what can MacT do? Now if he is able to trade away Hendricks sometime in the future without taking another huge contract back, then props to him.

The only person stupid enough to trade for that contract did.

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#209 Oilcruzer
January 15 2014, 04:24PM
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Ed in Edmonton wrote:

If you didn't know who Dubnyk was that draft year you were not paying attention. He was the top rated goalie in the draft and was widely rumored the Oil would pick him.

No surprise when he was taken.

Those who watched him play said it was a gross mistake by the scouting system. Back then, he was good for that one strange goal, every game, like clockwork.

Point being, there were some strong needs for the future. Size up front was the main issue against the likes of Dallas. That sounds oddly familiar come to think of it.

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#210 emonkee
January 15 2014, 04:27PM
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Spydyr wrote:

"It was the cost to move Dubnyk out. Period."

It would of cost nothing to let him walk this summer.

Well in that case, treat it as the cost of checking out whether Hendricks pans out as the 4C, since he is supposedly one of the guys MacT want in the offseason. If it doesn't work out, buy him out, it's only Katz $$ we are talking about here

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#211 Spydyr
January 15 2014, 04:27PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

So you are saying 3.5 mil/yr for a .894 sv% goalie is a good contract?

They swapped bad contracts and are auditioning a high level goalie prospect for around 300k.

Not at all. I never liked Dubnyk liked that contract less.

The thing is why pick up another bad contract .One for three more years.

They could of waived him or traded him for a better contract.

Don't forget the Oilers are also paying half of Dubnyk's contract.

I'm looking at both deals as one deal as they had to move Dubnyk to pick up Scrivens .

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#212 2004Z06
January 15 2014, 04:28PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Then waive him!!! Why take a boat anchor of a contract back? Who said you have to do that?

Dubnyk was worth nothing! Zero, so take zero back! Instead the Oilers got a 33 year old with three years left at 1.85.

You could get that exact player come this summer at half that cost! Half!!

At the least, if Hendricks doesn't work out, he will garner a 4th round pick which is more than Dubnyk brings back if he walks.

If you think 1.85 x 3 yrs in a 70 mil cap world is a boat anchor, what is/was Gagner's, Hemsky's, Smid's, Dubnyk's? I would say Titanic!

Far, far worse signings have been made in this organization than what Hendricks is getting.

Let's wait and see what this Hendricks guy is all about before we pass judgement shall we?

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#213 jr_christ
January 15 2014, 04:28PM
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Oilcruzer wrote:

Those who watched him play said it was a gross mistake by the scouting system. Back then, he was good for that one strange goal, every game, like clockwork.

Point being, there were some strong needs for the future. Size up front was the main issue against the likes of Dallas. That sounds oddly familiar come to think of it.

Dubnyk was the best goalie back then because he is huge. In the WHL you don't need excellent reflexes if you are huge. Even by the time dubbie got the AHL it was apparent he wasn't great... yet we kept giving him chances.

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#214 Mike Wazowski
January 15 2014, 04:30PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Pretty sure every GM in the NHL looks at a players draft position as a measure of value.Well the good GM'S anyhow.

I'm not using today's deals as the basis but a first rounder who is a flop is worth more than an undrafted player who is actually playing well?!?

Draft position is only a small part of a players value. Ethan Moreau was drafted 14th overall in the '94 draft. Does that make him a better player than Petr Sykora who was taken 18th in the '95 draft? Not really.

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#215 oildawg99
January 15 2014, 04:30PM
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I don't really have a problem with any of the player personnel moves that Mac T has made to this point. He is actually doing a fine job thus far if you look at it with a clear head. Do I wish we could land a big #1 d-man, of course. However, I also understand those deals are nearly impossible to make.

Personally I think the biggest mistake made by Mac T has been hiring Eakins and not giving Kruger a fair shot. Eakins so emotionless its not even funny yet that exactly what the team is lacking and frustrates me as a fan. Attitude reflects leadership and Eakins has yet to deliver. i sure hope he can.

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#216 Hemmercules
January 15 2014, 04:33PM
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The way I see it is this: Duby has no value, its not going to go up this season and they dont plan on signing him again. Give Scrivens a shot and maybe there is something there. Fairly low risk, season is over anyway.

MacT see's something in Hendricks the he feels fills a need on the team. Whatever. Maybe he's right. Maybe he's a pleasant surprise. Maybe not. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Money and term looks less than desirable right now but still not that risky of a move.

Third round pick will come back one way or another. No lost sleep there.

The Oilers are no better or no worse than they were last night. If these two new players show well then great. If not, they didn't lose much on taking a chance.

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#217 2004Z06
January 15 2014, 04:34PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Not at all. I never liked Dubnyk liked that contract less.

The thing is why pick up another bad contract .One for three more years.

They could of waived him or traded him for a better contract.

Don't forget the Oilers are also paying half of Dubnyk's contract.

I'm looking at both deals as one deal as they had to move Dubnyk to pick up Scrivens .

Bottom line is we can all be armchair GM's, but we don't have a clue what the market is out there right now or what offers were discussed/weighed.

Yes the oilers are paying half of Dubnyk's contract which I believe is around 650k. (I am sure Pkam will correct me....)

All in all, if Hendricks helps and Scrivens plays well and re-signs, we will all look back at this day as a win.

We can go back and forth all day debating the moves, but we just don't know how it will pan out.

For all we know these were precursors to other moves yet to come?

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#218 Truth
January 15 2014, 04:34PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

So you are saying 3.5 mil/yr for a .894 sv% goalie is a good contract?

They swapped bad contracts and are auditioning a high level goalie prospect for around 300k.

My mortgage is payable at $10,000/yr with 15 years remaining until the house is paid off. Your mortgage is for $18,000/yr on it's last year until the house is paid off

If you pay half of your mortgage this year I will swap mortgage payments with you until our houses are paid off. Deal?

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#219 2004Z06
January 15 2014, 04:35PM
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Hemmercules wrote:

The way I see it is this: Duby has no value, its not going to go up this season and they dont plan on signing him again. Give Scrivens a shot and maybe there is something there. Fairly low risk, season is over anyway.

MacT see's something in Hendricks the he feels fills a need on the team. Whatever. Maybe he's right. Maybe he's a pleasant surprise. Maybe not. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Money and term looks less than desirable right now but still not that risky of a move.

Third round pick will come back one way or another. No lost sleep there.

The Oilers are no better or no worse than they were last night. If these two new players show well then great. If not, they didn't lose much on taking a chance.

Well put!

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#220 Freewheeling Freddie
January 15 2014, 04:38PM
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Dubnyk nice guy terrible goalie. Scrivens had a real goaltending coach in LA Billy Ranford, solid pickup. Tell me how does Freddy Chabot still have a goalie coach job? Hey Roli you need a job? Call Craig

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#221 Rotten Ron
January 15 2014, 04:40PM
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If Hendricks can come in and make any kind of contribution its a win. Dubnyk was a #1 by default, he's a #3 on any team with reasonable depth. Any return for a #3 ufa is a plus. No team planning on making a playoff push is giving any kind of an asset at the deadline to rely on Dubnyk if their starter goes down and what team that will be on a run doesnt already have a better backup than him already. He likeley wasn't going to re-sign hear anyways, a gamble on Hendricks is better than nothing. If Scrievens can come in and be a resonable backup a 3rd for him is a steal based on what the return for a 3rd has landed recently (Fistric,Smithson). If he's an average starter its a steal. if he can be a solid #1 who can steal a few games its a cam neely/allan peterson sized fleecing.

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#222 2004Z06
January 15 2014, 04:41PM
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Truth wrote:

My mortgage is payable at $10,000/yr with 15 years remaining until the house is paid off. Your mortgage is for $18,000/yr on it's last year until the house is paid off

If you pay half of your mortgage this year I will swap mortgage payments with you until our houses are paid off. Deal?

When your mortgage is paid off, do you still get to keep the house as an asset, or has it wandered off and left you out in the cold?

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#223 Chris.
January 15 2014, 04:43PM
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@Spydyr

Poor pro scouting and cap management will apparently continue under the MacT regime. Matthew Barnaby said via twitter that MacTavish had offered Hendricks even MORE money last summer but Hendricks felt Nashville would be a better fit.

The crew at Kingsway may actually consider the first move a hockey trade. *facepalm*

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#224 Rotten Ron
January 15 2014, 04:44PM
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Rotten Ron wrote:

If Hendricks can come in and make any kind of contribution its a win. Dubnyk was a #1 by default, he's a #3 on any team with reasonable depth. Any return for a #3 ufa is a plus. No team planning on making a playoff push is giving any kind of an asset at the deadline to rely on Dubnyk if their starter goes down and what team that will be on a run doesnt already have a better backup than him already. He likeley wasn't going to re-sign hear anyways, a gamble on Hendricks is better than nothing. If Scrievens can come in and be a resonable backup a 3rd for him is a steal based on what the return for a 3rd has landed recently (Fistric,Smithson). If he's an average starter its a steal. if he can be a solid #1 who can steal a few games its a cam neely/allan peterson sized fleecing.

Sorry Barry Peterson. Allen Peterson would actually have been a better deal for vancouver

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#225 Fauxrumors
January 15 2014, 04:46PM
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A-Mc wrote:

FACT: The Oilers tried to get Hendricks last summer and offered more money than NSH but still lost out.

Obviously it isn't as easy as it seems and the value isn't outrageous.

And you are Hendricks' agent...that is how you know the Oilers offered Hendricks more money...or are you relying on rumours for the basis of your comment. Cause you know you can't always trust rumours...the rumour is Edmonton has an NHL team...but everyone knows that just isn't true.

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#226 2004Z06
January 15 2014, 04:51PM
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Truth wrote:

Look at it from Nashville's point of view: They get a goaltender with (prior to this year) potential #1 goaltender statistics for the rest of the year while Rinne is down to injury. If Dubnyk stays bad, they let him walk for nothing. Plus, half of Dubnyk's contract is covered by the Oilers. In acquiring Dubnyk they lose a contract of $1.85 million per year for 3 years following this season, while they absolutely can replace his 4 points and 54 PIMs with a much cheaper option next season.

Win-win for Nashville.

Oilers point of view: Acquire a 4th line player that is paid way more than comparable players of his skill set with 3.5 years remaining on his contract. They lose Dubnyk, who was going to walk away at the end of the season anyway. Pay half of Dubnyk's salary for the rest of the year.

Oilers would have been better off taking a 25th round pick, if it existed.

Valid point but it all comes down to how Hendricks and Scrivens work out....

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#227 Spydyr
January 15 2014, 04:51PM
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Chris. wrote:

Poor pro scouting and cap management will apparently continue under the MacT regime. Matthew Barnaby said via twitter that MacTavish had offered Hendricks even MORE money last summer but Hendricks felt Nashville would be a better fit.

The crew at Kingsway may actually consider the first move a hockey trade. *facepalm*

So they tried to pay him more money and he still would not come here.

Then they trade for him, that will make him want to come here.

Don't they think these things through?

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#228 Rotten Ron
January 15 2014, 04:53PM
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I realize hes a few years older now but if anyone is interested the 24/7 that had the Capitals/Penguins on it had alot of Hendricks in it. A lot of insite to what he brought to that team that doesnt show up in cult of hockey storys. Boudreau had alot to say about him, all good.

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#229 Dave240
January 15 2014, 04:53PM
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Chris. wrote:

Five hours ago the Oilers had one less bad contract, a high third round pick, and a different unproven UFA goaltender.

This may be the most expensive audition ever... I sure hope Scrivens works out.

You're absolutely right. People don't realize that in a salary cap system players can have a negative value. Players who are overpaid compared to the skills they bring are negative assets, especially when they are aging. Guys like Redden when he was buried on the farm. Way too much money for his play. It doesn't mean wasn't an NHL player, but his insane contract gave him negative value and that's how the team dealt with it.

I'm not incredibly familiar with Hendricks, but at quick glance, it looks like he has this negative value. Dubnyk had no value because at the end of the season, the contract was done and the Oilers could walk away. Rather than letting him walk, they took on a negative asset.

Acquiring these guys is like taking on debt and we all know the Oilers don't need that.

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#230 2004Z06
January 15 2014, 04:56PM
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Spydyr wrote:

I'm just happy to have something to discuss other then how bad the Oilers suck.

Agreed!

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#231 Bonvie
January 15 2014, 04:57PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

And that's why the analytical community doesn't play hockey.

Everyone is looking at this trade from the wrong angle.

It doesn't matter who/how old/cap hit at all with regards to Hendricks.

It was the cost to move Dubnyk out. Period.

Have none of you heard of two teams swapping reclamation projects? That is all this was.

We have heard many NHL sportscasters talk of having to bring back another teams bad contract to get rid of one of your own.

A fresh start for both players may be just what is needed.

They trade Dubnyk, Smid all for virtually nothing. these sort of players have value only at the trade deadline, Dubnyk as a backup goaltender for a playoff team with unexpected injuries, and Smid types always have great value at the deadline... Its shaping up like last years deadline, where they had nobody to trade, which as a non playoff team is not a good situation. THERE ARE ONLY A HANDFUL OF TEAMS THAT WILL BE IN Edmontons position as dreadful as it is that go into the deadline knowing they are not going to be playing playoff games. Stupid stupid stupid. Trade veterans at deadline.

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#232 Dog Train
January 15 2014, 05:04PM
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Hendrik's contract isn't ideal but if he can anchor a solid fourth line and bring us some much needed grit then I'm not complaining. Dubnyk was done in Edmonton and keeping some of his salary doesn't hurt since his contract is up at the end of the season anyways. Scriven is worth taking a shot at. Bryzgalov hasn't exactly guaranteed a spot in Edmonton next season so hopefully Scrivens can come in and play well.

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#233 David S
January 15 2014, 05:08PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Not at all. I never liked Dubnyk liked that contract less.

The thing is why pick up another bad contract .One for three more years.

They could of waived him or traded him for a better contract.

Don't forget the Oilers are also paying half of Dubnyk's contract.

I'm looking at both deals as one deal as they had to move Dubnyk to pick up Scrivens .

This says to me the team REALLY wants a quality goalie and think that Scrivens might fit the bill. If they wait until the summer they're on the same playing field as every other team who needs a #1. This way they get to test drive him for the last part of the season to see if he's the real deal, and be at the front of the line to make an offer/have more time to make their case.

Sure it's a gamble but you can't expect to change your situation doing the same things you've done in the past. Some might call this a gutsy move. Maybe even BOLD.

If you ask me MacT really nutted up this time.

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#234 bleedingoil
January 15 2014, 05:17PM
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Truth wrote:

My mortgage is payable at $10,000/yr with 15 years remaining until the house is paid off. Your mortgage is for $18,000/yr on it's last year until the house is paid off

If you pay half of your mortgage this year I will swap mortgage payments with you until our houses are paid off. Deal?

not a good comparison, really. I cant even begin to type out something reasonable for you here. one contract has 3 years remaining, and the other has 6 months. In 6 months, we lose the contract for NOTHING! Hendricks is a brick sh**house who has been in the playoffs in every year he is considered an NHL regular. His +/- has never been worse than -6 and is a penalty killer. He can play wing or center. In a world where the salary cap is going way up, we won the deal fair and square. No question about it.

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#235 Walter Sobchak
January 15 2014, 05:23PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

At the least, if Hendricks doesn't work out, he will garner a 4th round pick which is more than Dubnyk brings back if he walks.

If you think 1.85 x 3 yrs in a 70 mil cap world is a boat anchor, what is/was Gagner's, Hemsky's, Smid's, Dubnyk's? I would say Titanic!

Far, far worse signings have been made in this organization than what Hendricks is getting.

Let's wait and see what this Hendricks guy is all about before we pass judgement shall we?

"Far, far worse signings have been made in this organization than what Hendricks is getting"

That's not saying much about this group is it! I totally agree with you on that, this group has continued to overpay for players on the decline, I can't understand it?

Not a chance a guy who at his best scored 20 points is going to get anything remotly close to a 4th!

Check it out, big Georges PPG is higher then Hendricks.

I don't need to see him, I can read the statistics on the guy and get a real good idea what he's going to do, waiting to see is only going to disapoint me more, check out extraskater.com for confirmation, 8th worst possersion forward & trending down, brutal..

sorry, just don't like the trade at all.

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#236 Serious Gord
January 15 2014, 05:24PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Tell that to Sam Pollock the GM that won 12 Stanley cups.

Here is one story:

Among one of his shrewdest moves, was a series of trades in which the Canadiens obtained the first overall pick in the 1971 NHL Entry Draft, the year in which Guy Lafleur would be eligible. It appeared as if the first overall selection would be held by the California Golden Seals so he persuaded Seals owner Charlie Finley to trade the Seals' pick and François Lacombe in return for Montreal's first round pick and a veteran Ernie Hicke. However, during the 1970-71 season, the Los Angeles Kings were playing even more poorly than the hapless California Seals. The Kings were in danger of "beating" the Seals out for last place, and if this happened Pollock would lose his first overall pick. Pollock cleverly traded the aging but still valuable Ralph Backstrom to the Kings for two insignificant players. Backstrom's presence lifted the Kings out of last place, the Seals finished at the bottom, granting the Habs the first pick. Pollock hesitated between Lafleur and Marcel Dionne, but chose Lafleur with his overall no.1 pick.

Now that is a GM.

And he picked the wrong guy. One of the worst draft picks ever.

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#237 BLAKPOO
January 15 2014, 05:36PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Pretty sure every GM in the NHL looks at a players draft position as a measure of value.Well the good GM'S anyhow.

So Zetterberg's value is a 7th round pick.

Got it.

Thanks for clearing that up.

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#238 Rama Lama
January 15 2014, 05:44PM
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If BS comes in and does not play well or is an improvement over Dubey .......I'm looking squarely at Eakins.

If Hendricks is not an improvement over Lander........I'm looking squarely at Eakins.

We have been led down the garden path by Oilers Management as the players being the problem, ( OK I will buy some of that) but I suspect coaching has something to do with the current state of affairs.

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#239 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 15 2014, 05:47PM
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No goalie will be successful here until we seriously upgrade our D corp and our overall team D.

Scrivens will play well for a few games based just on adrenaline then will tank like every other goalie who has passed through here over the past few years.

But change is good.

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#240 sidney frosby
January 15 2014, 05:51PM
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Relax everyone....Hendricks is the defensive forward the Oilers need to overpay for...

Him and Boyd Gordon are re-united... we just need David Steckel and we got Washington's old 4th line.

Some of the comments on here are blasting this guy for his offensive stats... i don't think he's expected to put up numbers...

He was a shutdown guy that won faceoffs and played gritty for Washington in 2011 and 2012.

I think we will see an improvement on the PK and faceoffs with this guy.

Mac-T will make another move (likely Hemsky at deadline) for a 3rd pick...Likely Nashville's as they are still looking for offense.

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#241 shaddup
January 15 2014, 05:53PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

I'm SOOOO SICK of the "bold" comments. For me, I thought trading Paajarvi for Perron was plenty bold. Or do you want them to trade away Hall, RNH or Eberle? Good Lord.

Bold post...

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#242 Zarny
January 15 2014, 05:56PM
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If BS comes in and does not play well or is an improvement over Dubey .......I'm looking squarely at Eakins.

If Hendricks is not an improvement over Lander........I'm looking squarely at Eakins.

We have been led down the garden path by Oilers Management as the players being the problem, ( OK I will buy some of that) but I suspect coaching has something to do with the current state of affairs.

Yeesh, we get it. You hate Eakins.

No doubt if the guy running the hot dog stand accidentally tears the bun you'd blame that on Eakins too.

Have you ever actually played hockey?

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#243 Zarny
January 15 2014, 05:58PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

"Far, far worse signings have been made in this organization than what Hendricks is getting"

That's not saying much about this group is it! I totally agree with you on that, this group has continued to overpay for players on the decline, I can't understand it?

Not a chance a guy who at his best scored 20 points is going to get anything remotly close to a 4th!

Check it out, big Georges PPG is higher then Hendricks.

I don't need to see him, I can read the statistics on the guy and get a real good idea what he's going to do, waiting to see is only going to disapoint me more, check out extraskater.com for confirmation, 8th worst possersion forward & trending down, brutal..

sorry, just don't like the trade at all.

You can't understand it?

Right, because so many players are banging on the door to play in Edmonton.

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#244 Serious Gord
January 15 2014, 06:03PM
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Both moves on terms of return are minor relative to the big picture especially going forward after this season: a fourth line center for 1.85 million - and an aging one at that. Does his being a native of spruce grove have something to do with it? Is this another case of homerism?

Scrivens when in front of a crap defense like torontos had about a .910 s % - not much different than dubnyk. And how many games is he going to play? 15? This season. Hardly a consequential acquisition.

But what the oil traded is a yet another black mark on the organization and MacT:

Dubnyk was a big project for the oil that has failed utterly. In the end MacT had to bribe another team to take him off their hands. Dubnyk had such a stench on him that MacT spent millions - in paying half his salary and taking on a grossly overpaid Hendricks (three years of a roster spot lost too) to get rid of him for another 15 games this year. MacT/Klowe were told by many over the last few years that DD wasn't the answer yet they stuck with him - passing over other outside proven goalies (Niemi for one) clinging to the Dd dream. Even when MacT publically admitted that they needed to get a better goalie this off season he was content/too proud/too stubborn to not move him and instead take the team into this season with dd as his starter with - predictable to many - results. That was a HUGE mistake and it is 100% MacT/Klowes fault. ...

Given paucity of actual results with these two moves besides the removal of an acute short-term pain (dubnyk) one wonders of these moves were made more for the benefit of the season ticket and advertising sales office than the on ice product.

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#245 Zarny
January 15 2014, 06:11PM
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Spydyr wrote:

When your team is contending for the Cup sure trade picks for players to help you win the Cup.When you have not made the playoffs for eight years trading draft picks to placate a growing fire Lowe chant, well there is a reason they missed the playoff for eight years.

The Oilers have missed the playoffs because they have consistently traded proven NHL players for draft picks as part of the rebuild.

Obviously you don't trade every draft pick away but the LAST thing the Oilers need is another draft pick or rookie in the dressing room.

They started the season with half the roster having played less than 200 games. Hall, Nuge, Eberle, Yakupov, Schultz...the Oilers have all the young players they need.

What they need are players 25-32 y/o who can play now and support the young kids.

They have a logjam of D prospects; half of whom should be packaged with picks for players 5-6 years further developed.

The Oilers have had multiple 2nd and 3rd round picks in recent years. It's time to turn the corner.

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#246 Zarny
January 15 2014, 06:14PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Both moves on terms of return are minor relative to the big picture especially going forward after this season: a fourth line center for 1.85 million - and an aging one at that. Does his being a native of spruce grove have something to do with it? Is this another case of homerism?

Scrivens when in front of a crap defense like torontos had about a .910 s % - not much different than dubnyk. And how many games is he going to play? 15? This season. Hardly a consequential acquisition.

But what the oil traded is a yet another black mark on the organization and MacT:

Dubnyk was a big project for the oil that has failed utterly. In the end MacT had to bribe another team to take him off their hands. Dubnyk had such a stench on him that MacT spent millions - in paying half his salary and taking on a grossly overpaid Hendricks (three years of a roster spot lost too) to get rid of him for another 15 games this year. MacT/Klowe were told by many over the last few years that DD wasn't the answer yet they stuck with him - passing over other outside proven goalies (Niemi for one) clinging to the Dd dream. Even when MacT publically admitted that they needed to get a better goalie this off season he was content/too proud/too stubborn to not move him and instead take the team into this season with dd as his starter with - predictable to many - results. That was a HUGE mistake and it is 100% MacT/Klowes fault. ...

Given paucity of actual results with these two moves besides the removal of an acute short-term pain (dubnyk) one wonders of these moves were made more for the benefit of the season ticket and advertising sales office than the on ice product.

Good grief. MacT might have been a "consultant" but he certainly wasn't making personnel decisions like whether or not to keep Dubnyk.

That's all on Tambellini.

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#247 Bucknuck
January 15 2014, 06:15PM
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shaddup wrote:

Bold post...

Anyone saying positive things about the Oilers in this frothing pit of negativity is bold these days. I have not seen the fans this pissed off since they traded Smyth.

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#248 G-Unit
January 15 2014, 06:24PM
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No management doesn't think Hendricks (learn to spell) or Scrivens are THE answer.

Not every trade is a bold move.

If he could play guitar I would have more use for him.

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#249 G-Unit
January 15 2014, 06:30PM
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For a third round pick I would go after Sean Burke or Nashville's goaltending coach. We have had a number of promising goalies fizzle in town and it continues with DD. It was time for him to get a new team, but was he given proper coaching.

I know not everything can be blamed on coaching, but it sure seems that Stu takes a beating for not drafting better. Maybe the problem isn't the kid drafted at 18 its the man at 23 that the team develops.

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#250 Neal
January 15 2014, 06:37PM
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Everyone needs to chill a bit. It was only Dubnyk and a 3rd for Scrivens and Hendricks. Sure he's got a contract about 500k too high, but next year it's too small to freak out about.

And funny somehow the attitude towards Dubnyk on ON just took a 180. A few weeks ago he was dirt, and now Mac should have gotten way more? With who?

The other GM's don't see our garbage as anything more than what it is. Who out there thinks that Gagner will get much more than Hendricks? I bet the other GM's don't. And what they think is what matters. Not what we think, not what Mac thinks, not what Gagner thinks. It's what the other GM's think.

You know, the Oilers could use a guy like Hendricks, why don't we see what he does?

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