DUBNYK TRADED TO PREDS... ACQUIRE SCRIVENS

Jason Gregor
January 15 2014 01:10PM

The Oilers have traded Devan Dubnyk to the Nashville Predators for centre/winger Matt Hendricks.

Hendricks is in the first of a four-year deal that pays him $1.85 million.

Dubnyk will be a UFA at the end of the season.

Hendricks is a 4th line guy who kills penalties.

He will be their 4th line centre, maybe winger, for the foreseeable future, so clearly the organization isn't that high on Anton Lander. Lander needs to improve his footspeed. I know some won't like Hendricks' contract, and that is fair, but if the cap keeps going up it won't look as bad as it does today. He doesn't bring any offence, however, so in two years it could look really bad. A gamble for sure.

He plays the 2nd most PK minutes of any Nashville forward, so expect him to play a lot on the PK here. The Preds PK is currently 13th.

Thoughts?

According to Bob McKenzie the Oilers have acquired Edmonton native Ben Scrivens from LA for a 3rd round pick as well.

So Hendricks and Scrivens for Dubnyk and a 3rd...

Thoughts?

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#1 Tikkanese
January 15 2014, 01:22PM
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MacT has made 6 of the 16 trades in the NHL this year. You cannot say he isn't trying.

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#2 westcoastoil
January 15 2014, 01:18PM
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Lander is what 22 and an RFA. Why does he need to be flushed? Everyone is always calling for the "Detroit model" let him keep rolling in the AHL where he is the Captain and is turning himself into a ppg player.

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#3 vetinari
January 15 2014, 01:14PM
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Taken alone, I was surprised. Add in the Scrivener trade for a third rounder and we finally have a potential long term starter (fingers crossed) and a PK, defensive specialist. Cautious thumbs up on these deals.

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#4 Dallylamma
January 15 2014, 01:34PM
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Go get regularly beaten high over the shoulder even though you're six-foot-six somewhere else Dubnyk.

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#5 2004Z06
January 15 2014, 01:24PM
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smiliegirl15 wrote:

Because we needed more forwards?~

I do like the Scrivens acquisition.

Edmonton has some of the worst depth at center in the league. This is a decent acquisition for a little grit and a PK specialist.

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#6 They're $hittie
January 15 2014, 01:16PM
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so dubnyks problem was he stopped making commercials, Eberles is he is making to many.

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#7 Bucknuck
January 15 2014, 03:27PM
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I'm SOOOO SICK of the "bold" comments. For me, I thought trading Paajarvi for Perron was plenty bold. Or do you want them to trade away Hall, RNH or Eberle? Good Lord.

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#8 Lil Breezy
January 15 2014, 01:15PM
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No, because we needed to clear room for scrivens. decent pickup there macT

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#9 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 15 2014, 01:16PM
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What makes anyone think Scrivens will do well in this defensive wasteland?

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#10 Downton Crabby
January 15 2014, 01:19PM
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I have no issues with these trades. Clearing out salary and getting a defensive 4th line center that plays on the pk? Sounds like a smart move for a team that wont make the playoffs. It also makes Gagner expendable. Arc will continue to center the 2nd line. Gordon stays put and Smytty goes back to the wing on the third.

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#11 2004Z06
January 15 2014, 01:27PM
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Rick Stroppel wrote:

SHUFFLING DECKCHAIRS

Ben Scrivens has decent career stats but you really have to wonder how he will look playing behind the Oilers defense.

Someone suggested Matt Hendricks will "add toughness". The following players were also brought in to "add toughness": MacIntyre, Hordichuck, Eager, Brown.

I cannot wait for the press conference where MacTavish is up there, all smug and smiling and happy, telling fans these are the "bold moves" he promised. Sorry folks. The Oilers are not an appreciably better team than they were yesterday.

I would argue that Scrivens can't be worse. We also improved our horrific PK and our 4 th line.And we didn't have to mortgage the future to do it.

Not bold, but not bad.

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#12 Me
January 15 2014, 01:22PM
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Jonathan Willis should tell us on twitter how he really feels about the Dubnyk deal....hahahahahahaha.

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#13 Spydyr
January 15 2014, 02:10PM
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reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan) wrote:

Homer simpsons quote always reminds me of the Oilers

"How come things that happen to dumb people always happen to me?"

Lowe should get that tattood on his back.

So Katz can read it?

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#14 wintoon
January 15 2014, 01:22PM
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In order for a team to get better they do not have to win every trade. What they must do is be prepared to trade and then win the key trades. This is not a key trade but it is comforting to know we now have one more reliable forward with some size and grit and effort. I support MacT and wish him luck going forward. Patience and class Oiler fans.

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#15 Rick Stroppel
January 15 2014, 01:24PM
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SHUFFLING DECKCHAIRS

Ben Scrivens has decent career stats but you really have to wonder how he will look playing behind the Oilers defense.

Someone suggested Matt Hendricks will "add toughness". The following players were also brought in to "add toughness": MacIntyre, Hordichuck, Eager, Brown.

I cannot wait for the press conference where MacTavish is up there, all smug and smiling and happy, telling fans these are the "bold moves" he promised. Sorry folks. The Oilers are not an appreciably better team than they were yesterday.

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#16 ZappBrannigan
January 15 2014, 02:18PM
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Scrivens for Dubnyk Hendricks for a 3rd round pick

That's a win.

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#17 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 15 2014, 01:15PM
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In a way i hope Dubs getsd some actual coaching and can develop fairly quickly. That may be the tipping point for Katz to realize he has morons working for him...Although i highly doubt it.

I personally don't think Dubby will be great because he still doesnt move laterally that well and cant track the puck effectivly but if Nashville has actual coaches who can develop a player he may turn it around.

Heard a rumor that the Oilers are paying part of dubnyks salary. Is this true?

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#18 billythebullet
January 15 2014, 01:33PM
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Hendricks > Acton/Lander in 4th line role Scrivens > Dubey I for one like these 2 moves. Everyone wanted dubey gone, ufa back up goalie for a 4th line center. No way u get p.k subban, dustin byfuglien or weber for dubey and a pick. Just saying.

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#19 oilerman53
January 15 2014, 01:45PM
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A warm body an actual NHL player in exchange for Dubnyk? You gotta call this a win, Flubnyk has gotta be one of the worst positionally awkward big men in goal in the whole NHL. Going out and getting Scrivens right after is icing on that cake. Scrivens was obviously the odd man out with Jones strong play after Quicks injury. Not looking too bad considering how poor the goaltending was to start the year. Now onto some competent defensemen and this might start looking promising.

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#20 Zarny
January 15 2014, 02:14PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Tell that to Sam Pollock the GM that won 12 Stanley cups.

Here is one story:

Among one of his shrewdest moves, was a series of trades in which the Canadiens obtained the first overall pick in the 1971 NHL Entry Draft, the year in which Guy Lafleur would be eligible. It appeared as if the first overall selection would be held by the California Golden Seals so he persuaded Seals owner Charlie Finley to trade the Seals' pick and François Lacombe in return for Montreal's first round pick and a veteran Ernie Hicke. However, during the 1970-71 season, the Los Angeles Kings were playing even more poorly than the hapless California Seals. The Kings were in danger of "beating" the Seals out for last place, and if this happened Pollock would lose his first overall pick. Pollock cleverly traded the aging but still valuable Ralph Backstrom to the Kings for two insignificant players. Backstrom's presence lifted the Kings out of last place, the Seals finished at the bottom, granting the Habs the first pick. Pollock hesitated between Lafleur and Marcel Dionne, but chose Lafleur with his overall no.1 pick.

Now that is a GM.

And go tell that Chicago, Boston, Pit, LA and Detroit who have all traded picks and prospects for proven NHLers over recent years and won the Stanley Cup.

And one story from 40 years ago in a much different era doens't have a lot of bearing in 2014.

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#21 eastcoastoil
January 15 2014, 01:22PM
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wonder how much influence eakins had in the Scrivens scouting?

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#22 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 15 2014, 01:35PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Edmonton has some of the worst depth at center in the league. This is a decent acquisition for a little grit and a PK specialist.

Smithson had the same words said about him

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#23 Jay
January 15 2014, 01:17PM
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reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan) wrote:

What makes anyone think Scrivens will do well in this defensive wasteland?

Can't do any worse

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#24 Mac962
January 15 2014, 01:21PM
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Perfect - good move Oilers. Finally. Now get Scrivens a couple of decent Defensemen. We have our Goalie for the future , with L.B. a few years away. The goaltending situation now looks better.

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#25 Andy7190
January 15 2014, 01:28PM
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RexHolez wrote:

Oilers are paying half dubnyk's salary Aswell

Who cares? You're rid of him, aren't you? He's no longer an option for Eakins. This is a good thing.

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#26 They're $hittie
January 15 2014, 01:17PM
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Time to trade off Lander and get a pick back.

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#27 Jay
January 15 2014, 01:28PM
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Lets put it this way with Hendricks contract.... Good or bad, the oilers won't be any worst then they currently are

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#28 Andy7190
January 15 2014, 01:27PM
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Goaltending from weakness to strength in less than an hour...

Not bad, MacT, not bad at all.

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#29 Zarny
January 15 2014, 02:04PM
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I have no problems with what MacT has done. There is no silver bullet. The Oilers aren't 1 move away.

Dubnyk had to be moved; the well has been poisoned. He's been the heir apparent for years now and he failed. You can't keep him as a back-up or a tandem because he'd always have that baggage of failure hanging around.

And since Bryz isn't playing well either MacT had to make a move. To make a move he had to move Dubnyk. Right now, with a 3.36 GAA and 0.894 SV% Dubnyk isn't worth much. That's reality.

I'm not optimistic Scrivens is the answer long term but he can't be worse. And even if Hendricks doesn't work out no team has been in cap trouble because of a guy making $1.85M.

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#30 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 15 2014, 01:29PM
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Jay wrote:

Can't do any worse

Wasnt that said when they fired Tambo?

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#31 Zarny
January 15 2014, 01:52PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Teams that trade their draft picks for quick fixes end up as losers. Oh wait.

Not true at all.

Contenders routinely trade picks and prospects for proven NHL players.

It's teams that always trade proven NHLers for draft picks that end up losers.

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#32 KenL
January 15 2014, 02:38PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

so dubnyks problem was he stopped making commercials, Eberles is he is making to many.

Duby kept bringing the wrong gloves to work. That was his problem!

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#33 Mac962
January 15 2014, 03:17PM
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Everyone wants that #1 D - Why cant we get it, why why why. F--k already i will tell you why, they dont grow on Trees, a #1 here is yeah, a 3-4 on other teams perhaps, do you think these types of players are not valued by their respective teams ? They are hard to come by and the asking prices people for a solid 1-2 defenceman for the Oilers will be high , so be prepared to give up Yak or a very good package of players. This type of trade is not easy. The last time a relevant D man was moved was probably when we got Pronger. Shoring up our D from outside the organization is not going to be cheap or easy. Be prepared to Pay and most likely overpay.

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#34 geoilersgist
January 15 2014, 01:14PM
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Not so bad now that the dust has settled. Bold? Not sure...

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#35 Tikkanese
January 15 2014, 01:44PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Teams that trade their draft picks for quick fixes end up as losers. Oh wait.

Quick fixes? Dubnyk will be a UFA. Hendricks we have 3 more years after this. Scrivens at least one more year. Nice try though.

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#36 Jay
January 15 2014, 01:44PM
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reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan) wrote:

So you think they are at the same level this year as last? Win loss column doesnt support that

I think this team sucks. I think they suck this year, i think they sucked last year and i think they sucked 6 years straight before that. You really wanna argue what sh!tty team is better then the other sh!tty team?

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#37 Tikkanese
January 15 2014, 01:51PM
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reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan) wrote:

Smithson had the same words said about him

Smithson and grit have never been used in the same sentence. Even if he was carrying actual sandpaper it wouldn't happen.

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#38 bazmagoo
January 15 2014, 01:53PM
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Considering we'll likely be saving money next season on Nick Schultz, Ales Hemsky, Dennis Grebeshkov, Ben Eager, amongst others I'd say the fact that Hendricks makes approx $350,000 more than he is worth won't be much of an issue.

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#39 Randaman
January 15 2014, 02:24PM
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More size, grit, PK. What more did you expect after Dubnyk imploded this year?? I also think Scrivens will surprise all the negative Nellies here. Hope is all I have left and I am clinging to that.

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#40 emonkee
January 15 2014, 03:22PM
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People kept saying Dubynk for Hendricks is crap. I agree, but if we don't trade Dubbie, even for a bag of pucks, the Scriven trade wouldn't have happen.

So let's refer today's transaction as Scriven + Hendricks for Dubbie + 3rd rather than 2 separate deals. No way MacT make one deal but not another. They go together.

That being said, I am interested in seeing how Scrivens perform with our D since they are nowhere near as good as the Kings. Kinda disappointed in how Bryz played lately.

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#41 Jay
January 15 2014, 01:52PM
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reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan) wrote:

Their record was better last year than this my friend. no argument needed.

I miss Krueger too bud

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#42 Oilbaron
January 15 2014, 01:57PM
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Scrivens has a 0.931 save% in 19 games for the kings, and his career numbers are a cut above Dubbi's. Also to this point he has been paid much less than Dubnyk.

Add to that an unquestionable 4th line center and you have a pretty major club improvement in my view

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#43 moog's helmet
January 15 2014, 02:08PM
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With a cap of $70 million and an owner willing to spend to it $1.8 million for an effective fourth liner is a non issue.

When you're 29th place you can't "overvalue" your assets. If you did you'd never make a trade.

I like Dubnyk. Feel bad for him. Outside of the first five games this year I really don't know if he blew his chance or if the Defence is that bad. Who knows? Maybe even Henrik Lundqvist would be throwing his stick in the air playing behind this group.

Don't start trashing MacT because these moves aren't "bold" let it go. Don't forget the "bold moves" quote was only the third dumbest thing said at that press conference. MacT is trying. His lack of bold moves isn't because he's new or that he overvalues his players it's because he's the GM of a 29th place team in a league where only 16 trades have been made all year.

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#44 2004Z06
January 15 2014, 04:28PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Then waive him!!! Why take a boat anchor of a contract back? Who said you have to do that?

Dubnyk was worth nothing! Zero, so take zero back! Instead the Oilers got a 33 year old with three years left at 1.85.

You could get that exact player come this summer at half that cost! Half!!

At the least, if Hendricks doesn't work out, he will garner a 4th round pick which is more than Dubnyk brings back if he walks.

If you think 1.85 x 3 yrs in a 70 mil cap world is a boat anchor, what is/was Gagner's, Hemsky's, Smid's, Dubnyk's? I would say Titanic!

Far, far worse signings have been made in this organization than what Hendricks is getting.

Let's wait and see what this Hendricks guy is all about before we pass judgement shall we?

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#45 bwar
January 15 2014, 02:10PM
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Spydyr wrote:

So now no second or third round pick next draft.Guess the first will be traded too.Who needs to draft.....lol

I would much rather have NHL players than draft picks. As long as we get good return, trade all the draft picks.

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#46 bazmagoo
January 15 2014, 01:50PM
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MacT did well today in my opinion, but I'm always an eternal optimist when it comes to my Oilers. They certainly do have a way of ruining that and turning me into a pessimist though. Go Oilers Go!

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#47 smiliegirl15
January 15 2014, 01:28PM
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@2004Z06

I don't disagree however all the talk lately has been how Edmonton needs some better Dmen ... so we get a forward. Makes perfect sense to me.

Is the writing on the wall now for Gagner? Moved to wing and centre shored up so we won't miss him there. We don't really need him as a right winger either. Maybe MacT has something else in the works too.

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#48 Rick Stroppel
January 15 2014, 01:34PM
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reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan) wrote:

Wasnt that said when they fired Tambo?

The same thing was also said when they fired Quinn, Renney and Kreuger. The Oilers are constantly proving that you CAN do worse.

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#49 Blucifer Copperballs
January 15 2014, 01:44PM
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Exciting stuff, but probably not the answer. It will be interesting to watch Dubnyk and Scrivens numbers, and see if Dubnyks goes up behind NSH d-corp, and Scrivens drop off with EDM's d men playing above where they would on any other team.

As for Hendricks, i'd rather over pay him than watch Lander play anymore NHL hockey here.

MORE TRADES, MORE TRADES!!! WHEEE.....

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#50 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 15 2014, 02:12PM
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Zarny wrote:

Let's keep this real.

There is no "the problem" in Edm.

There are problems...plural. And one of them is who is playing on the 4th line. Most of them aren't bona fide NHL players.

I would agree the blueline is a more acute problem; but the answer is no...MacT couldn't get a better D in a trade for Dubnyk because no one was willing to give up a better D for Dubnyk.

maybe, but what the Oilers are doing is akin to repainting a car then hammering out the dents. There are reasons you need to do things in a certain order.

This management group clearly has no plan to follow. No blueprint on what they are doing. they are just flying by the seat of their pants and that is never a good stragety but it is the path they have followed for the last 13 years

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