DUBNYK TRADED TO PREDS... ACQUIRE SCRIVENS

Jason Gregor
January 15 2014 01:10PM

The Oilers have traded Devan Dubnyk to the Nashville Predators for centre/winger Matt Hendricks.

Hendricks is in the first of a four-year deal that pays him $1.85 million.

Dubnyk will be a UFA at the end of the season.

Hendricks is a 4th line guy who kills penalties.

He will be their 4th line centre, maybe winger, for the foreseeable future, so clearly the organization isn't that high on Anton Lander. Lander needs to improve his footspeed. I know some won't like Hendricks' contract, and that is fair, but if the cap keeps going up it won't look as bad as it does today. He doesn't bring any offence, however, so in two years it could look really bad. A gamble for sure.

He plays the 2nd most PK minutes of any Nashville forward, so expect him to play a lot on the PK here. The Preds PK is currently 13th.

Thoughts?

According to Bob McKenzie the Oilers have acquired Edmonton native Ben Scrivens from LA for a 3rd round pick as well.

So Hendricks and Scrivens for Dubnyk and a 3rd...

Thoughts?

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#1 Rick Stroppel
January 15 2014, 01:24PM
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SHUFFLING DECKCHAIRS

Ben Scrivens has decent career stats but you really have to wonder how he will look playing behind the Oilers defense.

Someone suggested Matt Hendricks will "add toughness". The following players were also brought in to "add toughness": MacIntyre, Hordichuck, Eager, Brown.

I cannot wait for the press conference where MacTavish is up there, all smug and smiling and happy, telling fans these are the "bold moves" he promised. Sorry folks. The Oilers are not an appreciably better team than they were yesterday.

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#2 Tikkanese
January 15 2014, 01:41PM
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Oil traded for Johnny Hendricks? (UFC joke)

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#3 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 15 2014, 01:33PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

MacT has made 6 of the 16 trades in the NHL this year. You cannot say he isn't trying.

Trying. We now credit trying? Screw that. The taxpayer is handing over hundreds of millions of dollars for trying?

Sorry, more of the same from a group of fools trying to save, if not their jobs, then their credibility in the eyes of the hockey world.

I like scrivens but put into this mess will not do well for him

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#4 Andy7190
January 15 2014, 01:27PM
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Goaltending from weakness to strength in less than an hour...

Not bad, MacT, not bad at all.

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#5 Spydyr
January 15 2014, 03:46PM
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From an asset management viewpoint the Oilers traded a first round pick Dubnyk and the upcoming third round pick for Scrivens who was undrafted and Hendricks who was a fourth round pick.

So a first and a third for a fourth.

Good teams don't make those kind of trades.

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#6 Spydyr
January 15 2014, 02:12PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

2nd rounders have a 10% chance of becoming regular NHLers, let alone "good players". 3rd rounders are even less. Nice try though.

I will 10% over 0% all day long.

Nice try though.

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#7 Me
January 15 2014, 01:52PM
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reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan) wrote:

Their record was better last year than this my friend. no argument needed.

So theyre improving....at sucking!!!!! hahahahaha losers.

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#8 G-Unit
January 15 2014, 02:26PM
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Dubnyk for Mike Brown. That's a great trade, we have been needing a guy like that since we traded Mike Brown for a bag of pucks... Wait a minute. Bold moves, maybe we can find a decent #6 d man that blocks shots and knows how to ring a puck off the glass. S-M-I-D If management thinks that guys like Hendrix or Scrivens will get us out of the cellar they are dreaming. Rubber Boots for Mayor. Just like in the business world, if you can't fire a problem you move them up.

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#9 Walter Sobchak
January 15 2014, 03:28PM
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Zarny wrote:

That you think Hendricks is getting overpaid by $1.2 million doesn't actually make it so.

Actually it's 1.85 for a player barley hanging on to NHL employment, this player is a slight upgrade on Konopka, who is half the cost with a shorter contract.

Put that together with Scrivens being a UFA and the Oilers have themselves a little bit of a river boat gamble.

I think the trade boarders on ridicules.

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/01/15/edmonton-oilers-trade-devan-dubnyk-matt-hendricks/

@mc79hockey

“Nashville just exchanged a guy with contract cancer for a guy who disappears at the end of the year for zero dollars. Good work.”

MacTavish should just stop trying to make the team better; he’s actually making the team worse.

While most of the analytical community scratches their heads over this trade, other's……….. applaud it.

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#10 RexHolez
January 15 2014, 01:14PM
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Oilers are paying half dubnyk's salary Aswell

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#11 ColourMeImpressed
January 15 2014, 01:57PM
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bazmagoo wrote:

Considering we'll likely be saving money next season on Nick Schultz, Ales Hemsky, Dennis Grebeshkov, Ben Eager, amongst others I'd say the fact that Hendricks makes approx $350,000 more than he is worth won't be much of an issue.

He makes $350k more than he's worth - this year.

Next year, because he'll be older, slower, and Belanger, he'll make $850k more than he's worth.

The year after that, when he'll be older, Belanger, and Belanger, he'll make $1,350k more than he's worth.

The final year of his contract in Edmonton, when he's Belanger, Belanger, and Belanger, he'll be earning $1,850k more than he's worth.

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#12 smiliegirl15
January 15 2014, 01:12PM
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Because we needed more forwards?~

I do like the Scrivens acquisition.

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#13 Spydyr
January 15 2014, 01:29PM
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So now no second or third round pick next draft.Guess the first will be traded too.Who needs to draft.....lol

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#14 Truth
January 15 2014, 02:51PM
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ZappBrannigan wrote:

Scrivens for Dubnyk Hendricks for a 3rd round pick

That's a win.

Is this Kevin Lowe? You are justifying an unjustifiable move.

It is a 3rd for Scrivens and Dubnyk for a 4th liner for the next 3 years at a wage approximately 3 times his actual value.

3rd for Scrivens - not bad.

Pending UFA for easily replaceable 4th line player on a substantially overpaid contract - Jay Feaster-esque.

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#15 They're $hittie
January 15 2014, 01:17PM
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Time to trade off Lander and get a pick back.

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#16 Spydyr
January 15 2014, 01:59PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

Quick fixes? Dubnyk will be a UFA. Hendricks we have 3 more years after this. Scrivens at least one more year. Nice try though.

Scrivens is still unproven. Hendricks is what he is a fourth line player.Good teams draft good players in the second and third round.The Oilers are not a good team.Nice try though.

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#17 Truth
January 15 2014, 03:19PM
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RexHolez wrote:

Schultz contract demands?? Hahahaha I wish we packaged him up with dubnyk

Enough said.

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#18 Oilcruzer
January 15 2014, 02:10PM
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Nice to see these brave bold moves. I am now at peace.

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#19 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 15 2014, 02:12PM
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Zarny wrote:

Let's keep this real.

There is no "the problem" in Edm.

There are problems...plural. And one of them is who is playing on the 4th line. Most of them aren't bona fide NHL players.

I would agree the blueline is a more acute problem; but the answer is no...MacT couldn't get a better D in a trade for Dubnyk because no one was willing to give up a better D for Dubnyk.

maybe, but what the Oilers are doing is akin to repainting a car then hammering out the dents. There are reasons you need to do things in a certain order.

This management group clearly has no plan to follow. No blueprint on what they are doing. they are just flying by the seat of their pants and that is never a good stragety but it is the path they have followed for the last 13 years

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#20 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 15 2014, 01:16PM
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What makes anyone think Scrivens will do well in this defensive wasteland?

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#21 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 15 2014, 01:36PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

I would argue that Scrivens can't be worse. We also improved our horrific PK and our 4 th line.And we didn't have to mortgage the future to do it.

Not bold, but not bad.

Woo Hoo our 4th line is better!!!! just what this team needed was more AHL level talent. I see the Oilers have most of their office staff on Oilers Nation now.

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#22 Jeffff
January 15 2014, 02:57PM
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** wrote:

The oilers dont need offence. they are 17 in the league in scoring, but dead last by far in goals against. If this dude is good defensively, then it's a good move. Scrivens is a definitive upgrade on Dubnyk.

Scrivens numbers are good with the best goals against in the league, now he is with the worst goals against team. To say Scrivens is an upgrade is wrong. Dubnyk is a 1st round pick Scrivens undrafted.

Oilers are dying for any news that does not deal with the standings. This trade is pointless.

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#23 Jeffff
January 15 2014, 03:09PM
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Matt Hendricks ha ha this guy won't be playing in the NHL in 3years. It is not easy to be the worst team in the NHL for 8 years but trades like this help keep the record of the worst team.

Oilers management = Losers

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#24 Truth
January 15 2014, 03:00PM
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RexHolez wrote:

You're putting to much importance on the contract. Katz doesn't mind wasting money. If Hendricks doesn't work out he can easily be buried in the minors

In a cap free world you are correct, Katz can spend all he wants. But if J. Schultz is traded away because his contract demands won't fit within the cap while Hendricks is getting overpaid by $1.2 million dollars per year it's a big deal.

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#25 Walter Sobchak
January 15 2014, 04:21PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

And that's why the analytical community doesn't play hockey.

Everyone is looking at this trade from the wrong angle.

It doesn't matter who/how old/cap hit at all with regards to Hendricks.

It was the cost to move Dubnyk out. Period.

Have none of you heard of two teams swapping reclamation projects? That is all this was.

We have heard many NHL sportscasters talk of having to bring back another teams bad contract to get rid of one of your own.

A fresh start for both players may be just what is needed.

Then waive him!!! Why take a boat anchor of a contract back? Who said you have to do that?

Dubnyk was worth nothing! Zero, so take zero back! Instead the Oilers got a 33 year old with three years left at 1.85.

You could get that exact player come this summer at half that cost! Half!!

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#26 Walter Sobchak
January 15 2014, 04:23PM
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emonkee wrote:

Normally I only bother reading LT and Gregor's blogs coz they are the only ones I care to read up on...in this case, I will give JW the benefit of the doubt becoz he is commenting purely on Hendricks for Dubbie, and not in conjunction with the Scriven's deal.

Yes, if you just trade Hendricks for Dubbie, of coz we lose big time, but you need to account for Scriven. Since we may be on a desperation mode to get the Dubbie deal done before the Scrivens, unfortunately we aren't going to get 80 cents on the dollar.

You go look at the Preds roster, and you tell me who the Preds are willing to trade in order to get a UFA goalie as a stop gap? They aren't going to give away Hornqvist or Fisher or Stalberg, so you are obvioulsy going to be left with a guy like Hendricks. Do we want more for Dubbie? Yes, but what can MacT do? Now if he is able to trade away Hendricks sometime in the future without taking another huge contract back, then props to him.

The only person stupid enough to trade for that contract did.

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#27 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 15 2014, 01:15PM
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In a way i hope Dubs getsd some actual coaching and can develop fairly quickly. That may be the tipping point for Katz to realize he has morons working for him...Although i highly doubt it.

I personally don't think Dubby will be great because he still doesnt move laterally that well and cant track the puck effectivly but if Nashville has actual coaches who can develop a player he may turn it around.

Heard a rumor that the Oilers are paying part of dubnyks salary. Is this true?

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#28 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 15 2014, 01:35PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Edmonton has some of the worst depth at center in the league. This is a decent acquisition for a little grit and a PK specialist.

Smithson had the same words said about him

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#29 They're $hittie
January 15 2014, 01:50PM
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how funny would will it be when flames finish dead last next year, and lose the lottery. Than trade Baertschi for Tyler Biggs, and Monohan for Tom Wilson.

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#30 Hemmercules
January 15 2014, 02:08PM
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The Oilers aren't a better or worse team after these moves. Lateral at best. Scrivs won't look better than Brys or Duby behind the softest defense in the NHL, not a chance. Duby was done but seems like they could have got something better in return. Nothing in return almost seems better than Hendricks.

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#31 Tikkanese
January 15 2014, 02:15PM
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Spydyr wrote:

I will 10% over 0% all day long.

Nice try though.

You are saying that Scrivens is 0% an NHL'er? Nice try though.

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#32 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 15 2014, 02:45PM
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Zarny wrote:

No management doesn't think Hendricks (learn to spell) or Scrivens are THE answer.

Not every trade is a bold move.

So the players we got back are pointless? Then why make these moves?

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#33 Jeffff
January 15 2014, 02:47PM
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Ben Scrivens is going from the best defense in the league to the worst. His confidence will be shattered and he will be worth nothing.

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#34 Truth
January 15 2014, 03:22PM
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A-Mc wrote:

FACT: The Oilers tried to get Hendricks last summer and offered more money than NSH but still lost out.

Obviously it isn't as easy as it seems and the value isn't outrageous.

And I'm willing to bet you think the Oilers would be better off now if they had signed Clarkson for more money and longer term than the Maple Leafs did (which was reportedly offered)?

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#35 Tikkanese
January 15 2014, 01:22PM
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MacT has made 6 of the 16 trades in the NHL this year. You cannot say he isn't trying.

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#36 googlist
January 15 2014, 01:27PM
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I like these moves, i still wish they would've given Dubnyk a chance behind a legitimate top 6 d corps, but at least the price was right. I have liked Dubnyk since he got his first start here, but a change of scenery will be much needed not only for him but for us fans too.

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#37 OilCanFan
January 15 2014, 01:38PM
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As far as I'm concerned, the goalie is a swap of peers, both about the same historically. Bryz is also terrible. Seems to me all we did was gain an extra offensively challenged center - didn't the Oilers already have that with Lander without giving up another contract spot?

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#38 Spydyr
January 15 2014, 01:41PM
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geoilersgist wrote:

I think that is because a large portion of our bottom 6 aren't really bottom six players in this league... I am honestly ok with these trades because we got a slightly better goalie and someone who knows their role on the 4th line and can play it.

Teams that trade their draft picks for quick fixes end up as losers. Oh wait.

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#39 Dan
January 15 2014, 01:47PM
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Trade does very little as D is still horrible, Forwards lack size. Scrivens' body of work is much less than Dubnyk and he played for a good defensive team...Oiler fans will soon be on Scrivens when he posts a .900 sv percentage behind this shoddy team. Getting Hendricks and his contract is a big gamble...pretty expensive to play a fourth line forward with little production. Definitely not a bold move by MacT...

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#40 pkam
January 15 2014, 02:45PM
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Spydyr wrote:

I will 10% over 0% all day long.

Nice try though.

Petry is a 2nd rounder, isn't he? So Petry will never be an NHL regular?

Pitlick and Marincin are also 2nd rounders. So none of these two will ever be an NHL regulars?

I think we have about 10 2nd round picks since 2004 (last 10 years), if we can have more than 1, it is better than 10%.

Looks like we will have at least 2, probably 3. And we haven't counted the picks of 2011, 2012, and 2013.

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#41 Spydyr
January 15 2014, 03:23PM
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Zarny wrote:

And go tell that Chicago, Boston, Pit, LA and Detroit who have all traded picks and prospects for proven NHLers over recent years and won the Stanley Cup.

And one story from 40 years ago in a much different era doens't have a lot of bearing in 2014.

When your team is contending for the Cup sure trade picks for players to help you win the Cup.When you have not made the playoffs for eight years trading draft picks to placate a growing fire Lowe chant, well there is a reason they missed the playoff for eight years.

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#42 wintoon
January 15 2014, 01:22PM
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In order for a team to get better they do not have to win every trade. What they must do is be prepared to trade and then win the key trades. This is not a key trade but it is comforting to know we now have one more reliable forward with some size and grit and effort. I support MacT and wish him luck going forward. Patience and class Oiler fans.

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#43 Andy7190
January 15 2014, 01:28PM
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RexHolez wrote:

Oilers are paying half dubnyk's salary Aswell

Who cares? You're rid of him, aren't you? He's no longer an option for Eakins. This is a good thing.

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#44 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 15 2014, 01:34PM
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wintoon wrote:

In order for a team to get better they do not have to win every trade. What they must do is be prepared to trade and then win the key trades. This is not a key trade but it is comforting to know we now have one more reliable forward with some size and grit and effort. I support MacT and wish him luck going forward. Patience and class Oiler fans.

Reliable forward? he is a 4th liner. that is a throw in. I hope he does well but dont over value hendricks before he is even here

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#45 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 15 2014, 02:02PM
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CaptainLander wrote:

Difference may be that from a brief look, Hendricks comes in with more hits then any Oiler forward

The Oilers will break him of that

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#46 bwar
January 15 2014, 02:10PM
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Spydyr wrote:

So now no second or third round pick next draft.Guess the first will be traded too.Who needs to draft.....lol

I would much rather have NHL players than draft picks. As long as we get good return, trade all the draft picks.

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#47 ZappBrannigan
January 15 2014, 02:18PM
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Scrivens for Dubnyk Hendricks for a 3rd round pick

That's a win.

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#48 Jay
January 15 2014, 01:17PM
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reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan) wrote:

What makes anyone think Scrivens will do well in this defensive wasteland?

Can't do any worse

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#49 The Fasthest Man Alive
January 15 2014, 01:19PM
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I have no issues with these trades. Clearing out salary and getting a defensive 4th line center that plays on the pk? Sounds like a smart move for a team that wont make the playoffs. It also makes Gagner expendable. Arc will continue to center the 2nd line. Gordon stays put and Smytty goes back to the wing on the third.

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#50 Jay
January 15 2014, 01:44PM
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reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan) wrote:

So you think they are at the same level this year as last? Win loss column doesnt support that

I think this team sucks. I think they suck this year, i think they sucked last year and i think they sucked 6 years straight before that. You really wanna argue what sh!tty team is better then the other sh!tty team?

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