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Brian Sutherby
January 15 2014 09:34PM

Well you can't say GM Craig MacTavish hasn’t been active since taking the reins. On Thursday he shook things up even more, sending Devan Dubnyk to Nashville for Matt Hendricks and a 3rd rounder to the Los Angeles Kings for goaltender Ben Scrivens.

I’m not sure any of them register as bold or huge moves but he is slowly reshaping this roster.

MATT HENDRICKS

Everyone knows this team needs more grit in their top six but in the bottom six, this is an upgrade from what they have currently. In Hendricks they added an experienced player that can take face-offs, kill penalties, is versatile in the positions he can play and he can impact a game physically.

Right now they don’t have a guy on the 4th line that can bring all those things in one package. Actually, they haven’t had it in a long time.

Yes he’s getting up there in age, and his contract is a hefty one. Both of those things are concerning no question, but I’d much rather have guy in his role that can sort of do it all. He should open up a spot or two, on the third or fourth lines for a puck possession guy, that can help tilt the ice offensively. You don’t need to carry just a PK guy now or just a faceoff guy or have two guys that can just fight.

His offensive numbers are on par with guys currently playing on the fourth line (which isn’t saying much) but he brings other intangibles. He killed over two minutes a night in Nashville, has 92 hits which will lead all Oiler forwards by a mile and isn’t afraid to shed the mitts. He has six fights this year and will surely hit double digits in majors for the third time in four years.

He’s an upgrade for me over Jones and Joensuu and will be a nice supporting cast for a guy like Gazdic.

Jones had a good spirited scrap last game but for the most part I get the sense it’s not really a role he’s overly comfortable in. It’s unfortunate because obviously the eye plays a part in that. Same goes for Joensuu, he’s a big body but he hasn’t provided much offense and he doesn’t exactly instill fear in teams they play against.

Hendricks hasn’t had a great year in Nashville but I’ll take a jack of all trades fourth liner that is tough and knows his role over a one dimensional player all day. I just hope his salary doesn’t mean people think he should score 20 goals. He should be looked at as more of a poor man’s Boyd Gordon that can bring other elements to the table that even Gordon can’t.

This team isn't going to change overnight but adding small pieces like Hendricks hopefully can help. I think the 4th line got better for whatever that's worth.  He’s played on playoff teams in Washington and he will make this team harder to play against.

DUBNYK

I for one don’t think Dubnyk is as bad as everyone made him out to be. Yes he had some tough nights and let in some horrendous goals but all of that is magnified in my opinion, by just a horrid defense in front of him.

Many nights he didn’t stand a chance on 3 or 4 goals and the focus would be on the softy he let in. Every couple games he did let in the “how the hell does he do that” goal but the defense in front of him have to shoulder much of the blame.

However, it was time for a change for everyone involved. Having your goalie get blasted almost daily by the media or fans wasn’t good for anyone and if he wasn’t going to re-sign here, you may as well try to get something for him. He had likely lost confidence in himself and the organization had lost confidence in him.

NASHVILLE

Some people will be up in arms if Dubnyk goes to Nashville and lights it up. I think you can probably expect his numbers will improve. Even I would be a better goalie in that system.

Any way you look at the Hendricks for Dubnyk trade, straight up they likely lose in most people’s minds but the key is did they get a guy that can be a long term answer at the goaltender position later in the day?

SCRIVENS

If he is the answer in the pipes then the whole day of trades will be considered a win. I’m really interested in how this will unfold. Obviously he has had a great year and familiarity with Eakins but how much is just the team in front of him in LA?

If he gets hung out to dry over the rest of the season can you even gauge what kind of goalie you have?  Will they re-sign him if he has Dubnyk like numbers the rest of the way?

MAC T

I assume they try to sign Scrivens either way to justify the pick given up for him but until the back end improves, I’m not sure much changes in net. For everyone’s sake, I hope I’m wrong.

It's no secret other holes need to be filled before things get better around here but MacTavish is slowly chipping away.  It cannot be easy selling assets at an all-time low and trying to get good value. Either way his finger is on the trigger and I don’t expect it to stop anytime soon.

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#1 Mason Storm
January 15 2014, 09:47PM
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I'm not mad about the trades at all. Hendricks is an upgrade over Lander and he can take some face offs away from Gordon. Don't want Gordon to be the only one taking the tough draws for the team, other good centres will figure out his tendencies and start beating him. Good too have a change there

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#2 Citizen David
January 15 2014, 09:48PM
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I find it funny some people are losing their minds over these trades. Alan Hull at copper and blue thinks these trades are a fireable offence for MacTavish. I agree with you Brian I think Hendricks will be an upgrade on what we have and either way we have to wait and see. Unbelievable how many people at Lowetides blog are already condemning the trade. Give it time.

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#3 albertabeef
January 15 2014, 10:00PM
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Citizen David wrote:

I find it funny some people are losing their minds over these trades. Alan Hull at copper and blue thinks these trades are a fireable offence for MacTavish. I agree with you Brian I think Hendricks will be an upgrade on what we have and either way we have to wait and see. Unbelievable how many people at Lowetides blog are already condemning the trade. Give it time.

Its a Corsi thing. Corsi numbers don't like it. Rel. Corsi doesn't either. Modified Cosri, things look a little better. Me - I like the relatively modified Corsi(ignore the numbers, focus on what you see)and I like the moves!

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#4 Rotten Ron
January 15 2014, 10:05PM
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Citizen David wrote:

I find it funny some people are losing their minds over these trades. Alan Hull at copper and blue thinks these trades are a fireable offence for MacTavish. I agree with you Brian I think Hendricks will be an upgrade on what we have and either way we have to wait and see. Unbelievable how many people at Lowetides blog are already condemning the trade. Give it time.

Consider the source. Lowetide, Hull and co. are still beating the "the numbers are showing promise" theory to death.

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#5 Kypreos
January 15 2014, 10:07PM
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Don't be surprised if Dubnyk lights it up in Nashville. No pressure and much better supporting cast. Scrivens is career back up. Hendricks is alright. The unknown is doobie......

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#6 Bryzarro World
January 15 2014, 10:09PM
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To say MacT is trying is like saying a drunk driver at least was wearing their seat belt....

FIRE THESE FOOLS before they do more damage. 14 years of this it TOO MUCH FFS

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#7 Dog Train
January 15 2014, 10:09PM
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Citizen David wrote:

I find it funny some people are losing their minds over these trades. Alan Hull at copper and blue thinks these trades are a fireable offence for MacTavish. I agree with you Brian I think Hendricks will be an upgrade on what we have and either way we have to wait and see. Unbelievable how many people at Lowetides blog are already condemning the trade. Give it time.

I think that a lot of cynicism has crept into the minds of Oilers' fans. I mean, everybody would have taken a bag of pucks for Dubnyk before the trade. Now everybody is complaining that we got a useful, albeit aged and overpaid, player for a guy who only had a handful of months left with this organization.

I like the trades. I'm not sure if we will really be able to judge Scrivens based on what he does in front of the current defense but we will need to sign at least 2 goaltenders for next season and Scrivens has proven that he is at least a capable backup.

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#8 Bryzarro World
January 15 2014, 10:10PM
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Why do all of you say he can take faceoffs? He's taken what, 20 so far this year?

Give me a break...

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#9 Cody anderson
January 15 2014, 10:20PM
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I thought we could have gotten more for Dubnyk, but when I look at the day I can't fault MacT at all. We will have to see how Scrivens does here. He should at least be a capable backup, and possibly more. I will be interested to see Hendricks play. I am not familiar with him, but from what I have read so far he sounds like a big improvement over Lander.

The thing that baffles me the most about him is how he could have that little offence. They said he played over a 100 minutes with Ovechkin one season and still had almost no offence. Sounds like a plug until you hear he was a shootout ace who is over 50% in the shootout.

I expect if Scrivens doesn't play well enough to get the starters role it will look like we got slaughtered in this trade because Nashville's D should make Dubnyk look much better.

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#11 Serious Gord
January 15 2014, 10:23PM
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There is a lot of talk that the higher cap limit will ease the pressure on teams trying to improve that are near the current cap - Edmonton being one.

It's a fallacy.

The cap limit increases for all teams. Thus teams looking to sign or trade for players - which is every team - will simply via competition drive up the price of those players until very quickly - within a matter of months - the new cap limit will be just as difficult to manage and stay under as it is now.

And that means that over paying for players will be just as problematic this time next year as it is now.

And EDM just took on 3.5 years at 1.85 mill for a border line AHLer who likely will be permanently in the AHL within 24 months collecting that money and occupying a roster spot and sapping the cap room.

And in return the oil got rid of dubnyk for 20 games.

Brutal - shoot your dog - trade.

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#12 Phil Schreiber
January 15 2014, 10:24PM
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Bryzarro World wrote:

Why do all of you say he can take faceoffs? He's taken what, 20 so far this year?

Give me a break...

He's not a raw rookie, he's taken more than 20 faceoffs in his career, genius.....

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#13 Serious Gord
January 15 2014, 10:27PM
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Dog Train wrote:

I think that a lot of cynicism has crept into the minds of Oilers' fans. I mean, everybody would have taken a bag of pucks for Dubnyk before the trade. Now everybody is complaining that we got a useful, albeit aged and overpaid, player for a guy who only had a handful of months left with this organization.

I like the trades. I'm not sure if we will really be able to judge Scrivens based on what he does in front of the current defense but we will need to sign at least 2 goaltenders for next season and Scrivens has proven that he is at least a capable backup.

And LA got a high third rounder giving up a third string goalie contracted to sit on the bench or in the pressbox for 30 odd games.

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#14 spliff
January 15 2014, 10:29PM
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I don't really expect much, given how trades in the past few years have gone. It seems every player they bring, with a few rare exceptions, does not live up to expectations. I have no faith in their pro scouting or amateur scouting, I don't really expect things to change much.

And, of course Doobie will do better in Nashville, working with a well-organized efficient organization that is well coached and stable. He probably feels like he just won the lottery.

Until the Oilers starting winning more then they lose, I have no faith in any management decisions they make, and nor should I. They have promised too much for too long, and in a results based business have massively failed. They are the joke of the league, and the only way out is through some positive results. Good luck MacT.

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#15 CMG30
January 15 2014, 10:30PM
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It's hard to defend Dubnyk with the softies he's let in this year but I do believe that he's going to show remarkable improvement in Nashville. Why? They have a defense...

By the same token I fully expect the goalies they now have will see their numbers plummet.

As a side note I do fault MacT for the way he handled Dubnyk this summer. He basically stated he had no confidence in him and wanted to move him. Regardless if that was true or not, I think it shook Devin's confidence which led directly to his early season collapse.

Having said that, I'm cautiously optimistic that the new guys will be slight improvements on what's there.

Best of luck in Nashville Dubnyk!

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#16 Woogie63
January 15 2014, 10:32PM
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Interesting moves. What does this say about this year's trading deadline?

1) there maybe more activity before the Olympic freeze.

2) A third string UFA keeper going to a non play-off gets for a third round pick.

At the real trade deadline,

83 who is a legit 3RW, 2PP who is a UFA, should be worth a 1st rounder or Good second round draft or a player like Hendricks.

89 who is a legit 3C and 2PP who has term, should be worth a 1st rounder or good second rounder or a player better than Hendricks

15 who is a legit 6-7 Dman 2 PK who is a UFA is likely worth a 3rd rounder

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#17 Kr55
January 15 2014, 10:40PM
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Congrats to Dubs getting out of this hole. He will get a chance now to cash in big as a UFA. Nashville needs decent goaltending badly right now, so he will get a good opportunity to redeem himself this season.

Sounds like the Oilers wanted Hendricks for a while, and probably are getting him now at a discount compared to what they offered him in the off-season...not sure whether to be happy or sad about that. Don't expect him to do much, but he's probably a better center than Smyth.

Scrivens is a big question mark. If we leave him out to dry like we did Dubs and do to Bryz, he might put up bad numbers and just bolt when he becomes UFA. Maybe the stars align though and he can still put up a .915 sav% being hung out to dry like he did for the leafs. A 3rd rounder was an overpay IMO for a pretty unproven goalie that is about to go UFA, but the Kings are in our division, so there was probably no way to get him for less.

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#18 Josh Oiler
January 15 2014, 10:43PM
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DEVAN DUBNYK has no trade value. It was either Matt Hendricks or a SNICKERS BAR.

DUBNYK SUCKS! Good Riddance!! .894% is absolutely pathetic.

Do you people think that GM's are knocking over MacT's door to talk about DUBNYK????

UFA - what?? No NHL team would've signed him anyway. He's probably a farmhand for a KHL team.

GOOD JOB MACTAVISH!! I SINCERELY COMMEND YOU ON A JOB WELL DONE!!!

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#19 RexHolez
January 15 2014, 10:46PM
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I got a question. How come you trade for a guy who turned down your offer in free agency and accepted one for apparently less money?? Would it not seem as though he didn't want to come here, yet you bring him in anyways??

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#20 Josh Oiler
January 15 2014, 10:48PM
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RexHolez wrote:

I got a question. How come you trade for a guy who turned down your offer in free agency and accepted one for apparently less money?? Would it not seem as though he didn't want to come here, yet you bring him in anyways??

Who cares- he's obligated to play here now so screw him!

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#21 Josh Oiler
January 15 2014, 10:48PM
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RexHolez wrote:

I got a question. How come you trade for a guy who turned down your offer in free agency and accepted one for apparently less money?? Would it not seem as though he didn't want to come here, yet you bring him in anyways??

Who cares- he's obligated to play here now so screw him!

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#22 Josh Oiler
January 15 2014, 10:51PM
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If I could trade the entire bottom 6 for Boyd Gordon's. I would.

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#23 bwar
January 15 2014, 10:53PM
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I'm willing to bet Dubnyk is very successful in Nashville. He won't replace Rinne but playing on a team with NHL quality defensemen is a very good situation for Dubnyk to end up in. Should be interesting to see how people feel about the Dubnyk trade in a month or so.

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#24 Josh Oiler
January 15 2014, 10:54PM
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Matt Hendricks

1. Grit

2. Sandpaper

3. Dude can throw his weight around

4. Dude can take face offs

5. Dude can PK and block shots

6. A-1 Leader

THATS SOUNDS AWESOME! What do we want 15 more Sam Gagners???

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#25 Josh Oiler
January 15 2014, 11:01PM
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What am I blocked?

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#26 reduced2tears
January 15 2014, 11:12PM
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Dubnyk was not going to be re-signed, Scrivens comes in on a trial with the potential to win a new contract and a starting job. Scrivens style reminds me of a Bryzgolov from years ago, not a terrible thing.

Hendricks comes with a hefty price but people seem to be missing the fact he brings leadership and work ethic, he is a grittier version of the current Horcoff. If you consider Hendricks as a tougher version of Horcoff, with Gordon added and Scrivens for Dubnyk who had no future here, I say we have basically added Gordon to last years roster. If Scrivens is lights out he signs here hopefully and Bryz can be moved. A deeper look into the contracts we still may end with a net savings and upgrades from last years team.

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#27 Oilcan
January 15 2014, 11:28PM
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I thought the trades if clumped together were ok, at least we know we will have a legit 4th line centre (enter people saying he is no better then acton). I am a fan if looking at advanced stats but in the end I let my eyes decide what I think of a player. I will hold off judgement till I see Hendricks play. I like the scrivens addition however I have a feeling after this season he will sign elsewhere (unless it gets done during the year). I would have said the oilers have a good shot in the off season (Alberta kid, Eakins connection) however as a goalie playing behind this d and in this situation I think it would leave a bitter taste and I would look elsewhere.

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#28 Naky
January 15 2014, 11:28PM
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If Scrivens comes in and puts up numbers similar to Dubnyk and Bryz, I wonder if management will finally wake up and realize they really need to start focusing more on the rest of the team instead of this nancy-pancy let's throw crap at the wall and see what sticks approach they've had to goaltenders since summer now. Sometimes I wonder if Kevin Lowe and MacTavish honestly and completely believe they're one goaltender away from a playoff team with how much focus they're putting on it. Put this much effort into shoring up this pathetic d-corps and one of two things would happen: your goaltending will automatically get better and you'll actually solve a serious problem this team's had for years.

Hey look, I said all that and I don't have ANY Stanley Cup rings. Imagine that.

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#29 Turnover
January 15 2014, 11:45PM
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I just watched the Devan Dubnyk interview. He's a happy man.

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#30 common sense
January 16 2014, 12:54AM
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Turnover wrote:

I just watched the Devan Dubnyk interview. He's a happy man.

Brave face. He knows he had a crap year just before he becomes a UFA. I don't think he has any reason to be happy. He's going to a Nashville team just waiting for their Number one to get healthy again. Don't think he's getting anywhere near the 3.5 mil/year contract he got here next year. Well best of luck in Nashville but forget about being a nhlpa rep again and concentrate on improving your craft and use your size to cover the net. Maybe he'll learn a thing or two from Rinne if Rinne gets back this year.

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#31 AutoOilers
January 16 2014, 01:15AM
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What am I blocked?

With any luck.

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#32 Mason Storm
January 16 2014, 01:28AM
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AutoOilers wrote:

With any luck.

We can't be that lucky. We are Oiler fans after all

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#33 papler
January 16 2014, 01:45AM
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I find the trade disturbing. They could've taken similar player types with waiver pickups and just let dubnyks contract run out. Hendricks gets twice the money he is actually worth, which is a wasted million in a cap struck world. and yes, I know the cap is going up next season, but so are the player salaries. 1.8m for a "dude" who can take faceoffs, fight and check is simply too much money...

and this: "supporting cast for a guy like Gazdic" makes me cringe...

seriously, that's like saying that Doug Weight was the supporting cast for Georges Laraque.

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#34 papler
January 16 2014, 01:45AM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

What am I blocked?

what are you, 13?

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#35 fig pucker
January 16 2014, 07:07AM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

DEVAN DUBNYK has no trade value. It was either Matt Hendricks or a SNICKERS BAR.

DUBNYK SUCKS! Good Riddance!! .894% is absolutely pathetic.

Do you people think that GM's are knocking over MacT's door to talk about DUBNYK????

UFA - what?? No NHL team would've signed him anyway. He's probably a farmhand for a KHL team.

GOOD JOB MACTAVISH!! I SINCERELY COMMEND YOU ON A JOB WELL DONE!!!

job well done? he traded a14th overall pick fo a fourth line center, afew weeks ago he traded a3rd round pick omark for a sixth round pick, when management drafts and trades like that it's no wonder how poor this team is. as for duby, i was never a big fan of his, but don't we have to fix our defence and defencive systms before we can accuratly appraise what's between the pipes? this defensive corps may be the worst in nhl history (don't have the stats to back me up, just going by what i see) you could put quick, reinne,luongo or any other top nhl goalie between the pipes in edmonton and they would struggle mightely. scrivens is upset because he knows this trade has probably ended his nhl career, he may strugle to find work as a back up in the ahl after edmonton. the sh** show continues, and please no defending managment for getting what they could. they didn't set duby to succeed, they threw him to the wolves and he got eaten for breakfast, the only guy that's shocked is six rings.

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#36 Brian
January 16 2014, 07:28AM
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Alan Hull of Copper and Blue thinks the moves are fireable offences? Who the hell is Hull? He's just another guy with an opinion but no expertise . He just happens to write his gems down, and milk it on LT's show . Come to think of it, that's all LT's blogger buddies do.

I've seen better stuff from posters here than from bloggers getting precious radio time.

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#37 Spydyr
January 16 2014, 07:33AM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

What am I blocked?

Can we trade Josh Oiler for DSF?

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#38 Brian
January 16 2014, 07:34AM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

What am I blocked?

For all time hopefully.

And to be clear, when I said there are some good posters here, Josh's name did not come to mind.

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#39 Vinny
January 16 2014, 08:54AM
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@Kr55

I agree with you. Hendricks may be the guy to stabilize the 4th line, so we don't have to play Smyth there. It also allows Gagner to play wing, which is a good thing.

Scrivens? We'll see, I'm hopefully optimistic that we have a guy that has continually improved and will stick around long enought to see more of that.

The Kings may be in our division, but we're not in the same league.

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#40 madjam
January 16 2014, 08:56AM
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I suspect Dubbie will play much better with Nashville's defensive core . Hendricks gives us more veteran presence . Long ways away from difference moves to our team as yet . Smyth , Gagner and Hemsky needs to be addressed as well as defence , as these are the moves that will determine which way we go far more than yesterdays trades . Scrivens seems more a stop gap move more than a long term move .

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#41 Kosmo Kraemer
January 16 2014, 09:16AM
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I have yet to figure out why MacT is so hell bent to bring in more goalies while still playing behind this terrible defense. Dubnyk played worse than last year, LaBarbera played worse than his historic numbers, Bryz with pretty well equal numbers with Dubnyk. Is there a trend here? I think so, its the defense.

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#42 pkam
January 16 2014, 09:49AM
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Bryzarro World wrote:

Why do all of you say he can take faceoffs? He's taken what, 20 so far this year?

Give me a break...

To add to the reply to your question by Brian Sutherby about his FO, here is some other interesting stats:

2011-12: 219 hits and 11 fights in 78 games. 2012-13: 93 hits and 7 fights in 48 games. 2013-14: 92 hits and 6 fights in 44 games.

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#43 Rama Lama
January 16 2014, 09:58AM
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It will be interesting to see how these players stack up playing with Eakins as their coach.

Eakins would turn Crosby and Malkin into average players............he has done it with ALL of our players. Under his coaching every player has regressed and the only one who have not ( Hall, Eberle, RNH) basically refuse to play his retarded systems.

Our PP, PK, 5x5, goaltending have all regressed under his watch and that's a fact. We can bring in Jesus on skates and nothing would change.

This coach has lost this team........I want to re name his MR. No One is Listening

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#44 Wonger
January 16 2014, 10:02AM
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Great work MacT bringing in Hendricks and Scrivens yesterday. Hendricks is versatile, wins faceoffs, competes very hard and goes with anyone - check out his scrap with Carkner last year. Now if you would just consider coming out of retirement Brian- Gazdic, Hendricks, Sutherby would be a very effective, competitive TOUGH 4th line. C'mon suds!!!!

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#45 Hate hileHer
January 16 2014, 11:04AM
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Man we should of got Crosby for dubnyk

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#46 moosewacker
January 16 2014, 11:06AM
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Maybe MacT is doing Nashville a favor and greasing the wheels with Nashville GM Poile. He has another player that we can take on some salary and bonuses. $7.86 M in salary and bonuses of $42 M over the next 4 years. The bold move that would make Oiler fans take the paper bags off their head. Pipedream, but helping them out a bit does not hurt.

Besides if Oilers are going to overpay a bottom 6 guy it may as well be someone who hits people ! Dubnyk was a UFA anyway and little value this year.

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#47 Green lantern
January 16 2014, 11:22AM
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Seriously Mac T is a genius. I still Think Gretzky had at least a bit more value than laraque though. Also the messier for lebron James didn't work out for either organization.

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#48 Ivan Drago
January 16 2014, 11:38AM
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MacT is in a tough spot. Been on the job almost a year now. Takes over from a guy nicknamed Dithers, he starts trying to make moves right, but has many things against him from trying to lure free agents to come to a last place team at market value, to a salary cap going down his first year. He has been in on almost half the trades in the league this year, and fans are still complaining. His biggest mistake was using the term BOLD. Now idiots want him to be bold from a position of weakness. That's smart. Not. Give the guy a chance.

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#49 Green lantern
January 16 2014, 12:21PM
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@Green lantern

Dude you are amazing

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#50 Chainsawz
January 16 2014, 03:20PM
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Cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeese.

If you really wanna be an NHL GM, you should quit the $hitty cheese job.

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