Oscar Klefbom might be most valuable to the Edmonton Oilers as a trade chip

Jonathan Willis
January 02 2014 08:24AM

It sounds decidedly counterintuitive. The Oilers need defencemen, so why would they trade a big 20-year-old blue-liner with a range of skills just as he’s learning the North American professional game?

There are reasons why it may make sense.

Availability

The simple fact is that Edmonton desperately needs at least one top-pairing calibre defenceman. The modern incarnation of Chris Pronger would be the dream here, which is why Shea Weber’s name never dies, but that may not be possible and if it isn’t Edmonton has to fill the void somehow.

The names that might be available on the trade market are generally some distance south of Weber. Players like Christian Ehrhoff and Brian Campbell and Dustin Byfuglien are the ones people speculate about; good, useful defenders either underrated by their current teams or playing out the string on a roster miles away from contending.

All of those guys have some warts, but all of them would represent a massive upgrade for an Edmonton team leaning on the trio of Jeff Petry, Andrew Ference and Justin Schultz. If MacTavish can’t bring in a Pronger, he needs to find at least a Boris Mironov or Janne Niinimaa or Roman Hamrlik. And given the meagre free agent pickings available, odds are good he’ll have to do it via trade.

Perfect Storm

In this hypothetical trade for a good defenceman, Edmonton needs a package of certain quality to trade. It has to be good enough to get the other team interested. It has to be non-vital enough that it isn’t going to crush the team to lose it. And finally it needs to be fair value for the Oilers, a team that needs to put meat on the table for every shot they fire.

The 2014 first round draft pick might have fit those bills, but at this point the Oilers would need eight more points than they have just to get outside the top-five of the draft. It’s still a moveable piece, but the return on it needs to be something bigger than Mironov or Niinimaa and those returns are hard to land.

Some of the young forwards (Taylor Hall and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins) are too vital to make the list; the others (Jordan Eberle and Nail Yakupov) fall into the same boat as that 2014 pick, where the guy coming the other way needs to be a lot bigger than he’s likely to be. Sam Gagner’s tradable but opens up an ugly hole at centre, and the only plausible internal replacement has all of 32 career games under his belt.

What about Darnell Nurse? Team Canada may not be in love with him but he’s a 6’4” 18-year-old with a mean streak and a near point-per-game scoring run under his belt in junior this year. He’s not going to be good enough soon enough to plug the hole on defence himself, but he’s Edmonton’s best prospect by a country mile and a perfect fit for long-term need.

Which is where Klefbom comes in. He’s a good player, with that nice blend of skills and a combination of size and speed that’s awfully hard to find. He was a first round draft pick. So he has value. But at the same time, he’s also 27 games into his AHL career, 20 years old and a guy who barely played last season; he isn’t going to fix Edmonton’s blue line problems any time soon. He can move the puck but his offensive ability has a definite ceiling; he might evolve into a very, very good shutdown guy but that’s years away and not impossible to find. He’s a left-shooting defenceman on a team with Nurse, Martin Marincin, Martin Gernat, Brandon Davidson and Dillon Simpson, so the Oilers have both quality and depth at the position.

Put it all together and it’s hard not to wonder if Klefbom is moved at some point. He has enough value to be the key asset in return for a good NHL player, much like he was when Edmonton moved Dustin Penner out. His absence doesn’t hurt the Oilers now, and they have a wealth of prospects at the position. And while an excellent prospect he’s not the kind of player likely to embarrass the team by winning a Norris Trophy five years down the road.

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#51 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 11:31AM
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Ed in PV wrote:

If you put yourself in the shoes of the other team's GM, would you even take Gangner for zero? You are stuck with the $4.8 mill for another 2 years. Why would anyone do that?

Why was he signed is one of the key problems with the Oil. Can't seem to evaluate player's abilities. I think they often see "talent" as the same as a player's ability to play the game.

If they could get the same deal as they got for Omark (which might be zero) they should do it.

As the regulars here know I am no fan of Gagner the player.That being said I do believe with the right team and the right fit of players he still holds some value.Not a lot but some.Especially if you take a under performing player back. Say a defencmen in NY.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/12/21/new-york-rangers-gm-glen-sather-getting-desperate-to-make-a-deal-or-three

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#52 Lochenzo
January 02 2014, 11:34AM
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Hey look! Konopka on waivers today for all of you banging that drum last year.

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#53 Rick Stroppel
January 02 2014, 11:34AM
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MACTAVISH THE RIVERBOAT GAMBLER

I would love to play cards with MacTavish. He would probably say things like "this hand is crappy, I am probably going to fold" or "man, this is a great hand, you would be foolish to bet against me!".

Consider his recent statements. "We are getting rid of Horcoff and Hemsky, we don't want them anymore". That is like going to the used car lot and saying "this car of mine is a piece of junk, I would take anything if you would just take it off my hands".

Or "we are building around a core of 8 or 9 or 10 players". Oh yeah? Are Dubnyk, Justin Schultz and Gagner on that 'protected list'? The 'for sale' should be hung (privately) on every player except Hall and RNH.

And "we will probably trade our first round pick, no matter how high it is". Wouldn't it be better to say "this is a fantastic draft year, if anyone wants that pick they better come with a very special offer". If MacTavish was an NFL GM, I think he would have made Tim Tebow the number one overall pick.

Seriously. This team is at a crossroads, BIG TIME. The next big trade may be the the most important one of the last 25 years. For the sake of the team, I hope he gets it right.

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#54 Harry
January 02 2014, 11:36AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Let me clarify a bit. As the team is currently constituted there is almost no chance they will finish out of the bottom five. It would be more likely that they finish worse (30th) than they are now as buffalo seems to be getting a bit better and is playing most of its games against the east whereas EDM will be getting its teeth kicked in most games against the western powerhouses.

Thus making significant additions - improvements - is pointless and risky. Better to stand pat and see what the current group can do and not give Eakins any excuse to avoid being fired for continued incompetency.

Have you looked at Edms record in their last 20? Dont kid yourself the preperations for next year begin now! Not at the draft or the trade deadline. Losing is never an option. I am impressed what ive seen from our top players in the past 10 games ( other than st louis of course). So these guys should be playing pissed off and carry that over to training camp. Not recieving the message from management or the fans that losing is the goal in order to get a "potential" difference maker via a top 5 pick. Give your head a shake!!!!

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#55 A-Mc
January 02 2014, 11:36AM
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@Ryan2

Sorry, you weren't going to get a #1/2 Dman for Magnus PRV.

If anyone was given the option of trading PRV for a #1/2 Dman OR Perron, it's a no brainer to take the Dman. That option wasn't presented because there's no way PRV was part of a trade for that calibre of player.

Perron was a steal and we were lucky to get that. The only reason we did was because of STL's money situation.

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#56 Ed in PV
January 02 2014, 11:37AM
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Spydyr wrote:

As the regulars here know I am no fan of Gagner the player.That being said I do believe with the right team and the right fit of players he still holds some value.Not a lot but some.Especially if you take a under performing player back. Say a defencmen in NY.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/12/21/new-york-rangers-gm-glen-sather-getting-desperate-to-make-a-deal-or-three

OK, you've convinced me. If you are trading a problem for a problem then something might be doable.

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#57 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 11:41AM
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Ed in PV wrote:

OK, you've convinced me. If you are trading a problem for a problem then something might be doable.

Well your not getting Weber for Gagner and Klefbom. Of course your going to get what he is worth and we can both agree that is not much.

Sather loves lost causes.He even took a chance on someone straight out of prison once.Tell me what ever became of him.Oh wait.

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#58 A-Mc
January 02 2014, 11:42AM
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Harry wrote:

Have you looked at Edms record in their last 20? Dont kid yourself the preperations for next year begin now! Not at the draft or the trade deadline. Losing is never an option. I am impressed what ive seen from our top players in the past 10 games ( other than st louis of course). So these guys should be playing pissed off and carry that over to training camp. Not recieving the message from management or the fans that losing is the goal in order to get a "potential" difference maker via a top 5 pick. Give your head a shake!!!!

You're blurring the lines between the different perspectives on the team.

From the Players perspective, you're right, losing CAN'T be the mandate. But from the GM's perspective (Serious Gord's position) getting the highest draft pick possible is best if you're going to suck anyway.

You're using insulting words by calling him a complete idiot and then you're arguing a position that is from a perspective NOT related to personnel acquisition.

The Subject matter of the original article suggests that we are to put our GM thinking caps on so please drop the crap about player mentality.

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#59 Rama Lama
January 02 2014, 11:44AM
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Webber would be nice to add to our team but come on people check out Nashville? Last time I checked the standings having Webber on their team has not really done much for their team.

I would say that within a year Seth Jones will be the talk of the town there and Webber a aging talent. I for one would not give up what will be demanded for Webber and I would be more inclined to find a a defensive/shutdown hard hitting defenceman. This is what we need and IMHO, webber is a little over rated at this juncture of his career.

Mac T has some difficult decisions to make but giving up a shot at a player like Ekblad is nothing short of myopic madness!! Maybe trade Oscar Klefblom for another first round draft pick, so that we have some chips to use for the upcoming draft?

I think in short order Mac T will need to concentrate his energies on finding another goaltender and coach.

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#60 Dog Train
January 02 2014, 11:48AM
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Sooner or later, we have to give up something of value in order to get value. We can keep shipping out guys like Ladislav Smid, Nick Shultz and Ryan Jones for draft picks and prospects but eventually we will need to trade a useful piece knowing full well that they could contribute to another organization. We do have pieces that other teams could find useful, they're all just too young or bring the same things to the table. Not all of our prospect Dmen will get the opportunity to play for the Edmonton Oilers so, other than Nurse, they should be available for the right price.

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#61 Quintana
January 02 2014, 11:48AM
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I wonder what de Coyotes would want for Yandle? or Sammuelson? Would something like Snowpants plus Yak going to Arizona for Yandle, Murphy and Sammuelson work?

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#62 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 11:50AM
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Quintana wrote:

I wonder what de Coyotes would want for Yandle? or Sammuelson? Would something like Snowpants plus Yak going to Arizona for Yandle, Murphy and Sammuelson work?

Don't think that works for the Coyotes.

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#63 Stack Pad Save
January 02 2014, 11:55AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Don't think that works for the Coyotes.

I doubt the coyotes would do a straight across deal of Yak for Yandle.

You would have to give up something considerable plus Yak to get Yandle.

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#64 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 12:01PM
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Stack Pad Save wrote:

I doubt the coyotes would do a straight across deal of Yak for Yandle.

You would have to give up something considerable plus Yak to get Yandle.

Unless you are getting a fabulous return I would not move Yak yet. He is just a kid he needs time and a coach too teach him the pro game.His whole life he owned the puck and never had to worry about defence.

Too bad he held the KHL over the teams head last year. A year more in junior then some time in the AHL learning the pro game would have been better for him.

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#65 HardBoiledOil
January 02 2014, 12:01PM
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Sal-Sational wrote:

With his contract @ $6M i think Jordan Eberle should be the kid used as trade Bait. Sam Gagner Needs to go but the problem is he's got no trade Value.

These are the Guys id Try to Target Next summer:

Centers Joe Thorton 34(2nd Line Center), David Bolland 27 (2nd Line Center)Boyle Brian 29(4th Line Center)

Defencemen: Dan Girardi 29 making around $3.5M Andrej Meszaros 28 making $4.00M Andrei Markov 35 making 5.75M

LW: Dustin Penner 31 making $2M Matt Moulson 30 Making $3.3M

RW: Ryan Callahan 28 Making $4.275M Jarome Iginla 36 Making $6M

Goalies: Jaroslav Halak, 28 making $3.7M Jonas Hiller, 31 Making $4.5M Ryan Miller , 33 Making $6.250M (but he wouldnt sign here)

if we ever managed to sign a 27 year old Bolland, then that for sure would be the end of Gagner as the 2nd line center here, though they'd likely drop him to 3rd line center or move him to the wing with Hemsky likely gone as a UFA.

Girardi would be another good vet to sign for our sad defense, though we need more than just him.

Hiller or Halak would also be a great signing and I think MacT is likely targeting one of those two in the off season.

I don't feel Callahan will sign here at his age, he along with Bolland will likely sign with contenders.

but we could have a chance at Brian Boyle, though don't expect much more than a 4th line center with enormous size.

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#66 Lochenzo
January 02 2014, 12:02PM
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I'd suspect that they are already looking to move Sam Gagner. His NTC kicks in this summer. Maybe that's why we saw Roman Horak get a looksee at centre.

I don't think I've seen anybody mention Kulikov here. He's risky in terms of his development and risk of flight to the KHL, but if Sam Gagner's value is as low as some of you suggest it is, then maybe that's the deal you could complete without surrendering too much.

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#67 PutzStew
January 02 2014, 12:04PM
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I only read a few comments but that was enough.

Eberle, Prospect and Pick will not get you Weber. Thats not even up for debate.

Don't forget there would be 29 teams in on the bidding. One of those would have to be Philly too. What do you think they would give up to get him.

So if if I was Nashville, I would be asking Hall/RNH, Nurse and this years 1st for Weber.

If you think different then keep drinking the Koolaid. At then least you will have an excuse for not having a clue.

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#68 oilerjed
January 02 2014, 12:10PM
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Umm isnt there an unofficial rule about the whole ebberway trade thing.

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#69 oilerjed
January 02 2014, 12:10PM
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Anyone have any thoughts on Yakimov?

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#70 A-Mc
January 02 2014, 12:11PM
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PutzStew wrote:

I only read a few comments but that was enough.

Eberle, Prospect and Pick will not get you Weber. Thats not even up for debate.

Don't forget there would be 29 teams in on the bidding. One of those would have to be Philly too. What do you think they would give up to get him.

So if if I was Nashville, I would be asking Hall/RNH, Nurse and this years 1st for Weber.

If you think different then keep drinking the Koolaid. At then least you will have an excuse for not having a clue.

That's likely what they would be asking for, but it's not something that would get done.

1st overall, 7th overall and likely top 3 overall, all likely to make 6m+/yr (by todays standards) for Weber? No way.

I guess I'm drinking the Koolaid, but i think at least 1 of those pieces needs to be of lower caliber than top 10 pick: ie: Ebs, Klef and our 1st.

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#71 Sisyphus
January 02 2014, 12:15PM
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Oh thank goodness Putz, another voice of reason! (And I mean that, no sarcasm).

Oiler fans tend to forget that there are going to be a bunch of other teams in play for any players that provide actual skill and value. Why fans here seem to think that Gagner for anyone other than perhaps a prospect is going to happen is beyond me.

The Oilers need serious, veteran, immediate help. And you aren't going to get the kind of help you need without giving up some serious skill in return. Frankly, I see two options.

1. Give up a Yak, Gagner, Hemmer, Schultz, maybe the pick, and piece-meal approach to fix all the glaring holes in the organization, one trade at a time.

2. Bite the bullet, put Hall or RNH, plus the pick (or similar) on the line, and go after a team that can provide pieces to fix quite a few of the holes at once--i.e. a dman, a gritty BUT ALSO SKILLED veteran forward, and a goalie.

I'm in favor of #2, because at least you'd get it all done at once, rather than thinking "oh sure, we fixed one hole, we're done now, right?"

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#72 PutzStew
January 02 2014, 12:20PM
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Chet134 wrote:

U can't trade Nug or hall. If we have a chance to draft Ekblad it's a no brainier. The kid is a stud. Imagine having weber, nurse, Ekblad, Schultz, petry, ?. Much improved D.

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This makes no sense??????

How did you end up with Weber??????

You think Nashville will just give him to you for Magic Beans?????

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#73 MessyEH!
January 02 2014, 12:20PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Unless you are getting a fabulous return I would not move Yak yet. He is just a kid he needs time and a coach too teach him the pro game.His whole life he owned the puck and never had to worry about defence.

Too bad he held the KHL over the teams head last year. A year more in junior then some time in the AHL learning the pro game would have been better for him.

Please give examples of 1st overalls who went back to junior?

Mike Modano 23 years ago is the last example.

As for Yak playing in the KHL please explain how that was holding anything above anyone's head. The kid went to his home town to play. To play the Pro game.

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#74 PutzStew
January 02 2014, 12:25PM
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wintoon wrote:

There are 2 gaping and critical holes to fill with the Oilers line up. The first is a top pairing D man and the second is a 2C. As many have said, filling the top pairing D man is very challenging and would be at a premium cost wise. Perhaps the first step should be to explore a trade for a 2C such as O'Rielly from the Avs. Given the acrimony generated last year perhaps he could be available. This might be achieved using assets such as Gagner, Hemsky, Jones, Klefbom, Marincin and our 2015 first rounder to acquire a proven upgrade on the D. The Oilerws would then still have their 2014 top 5 lottery pick to fill either the 2C hole or combine it with Eberle or Yakupov to obtain that coveted top pairing D man. In any event, this coming trade deadline and the 2014 draft will be key to the Oilers and MacT's future. I wish them both every success.

What is wrong with you people?????

Why would Colorado trade O'Reilly for anything with Hemsky, Gagner or Jones???

Do you really think that Colorado couldn't find a better deal then anything with one of those player in it?

Have you looked at Colorado's center depth??? They have to gray Centers already. Hemsky and Jones are UFA's so why would they want to trade them.

Seriously what are you people drinking???

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#75 Dan the Man
January 02 2014, 12:25PM
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John Chambers wrote:

Byfuglien is the guy I would target instead of Ehrhoff because he has both offensive abilities as well as size and nastiness that this team hasn't had since Souray.

Although Ehrhoff's contract is a bargain, and worth trading for in and of itself.

It's also a bonus that Byfuglien is a few years younger than Erhoff.

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#76 michael
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JW we might see 10 points this month. Might. The schedule makers have not been kind. Its a murderers row of the WC's top teams. My expectations are low for Oilers going into the Olympic break. Which will be a needed break both physically and mentally.

The Olympic break will certainly be a most interesting time for the Oilers management and coaching staff. A time to look at the current players and review its plan moving forward.

The tradeline will see some players moved. Whether there will any current Oilers moved is another question. We have some tradeable assets in our own deluded opinions. We'll have to see if our reality matches any of the other 29 GM's.

If I had m druthers I would keep out 2014 pick. I would try to get Eckblad or Sam Rheinhart. I like Ritchie also. DalColle?

Many of you have posted about the lack of FA signings that we'll see. As far as defencemen goes really has anyone but me looked at the list? Its a list of 5-6 dmen. Anyone worth having as a number 1 is signed long term already by their respective clubs.

Forwards? A second line center? Good luck finding one.

MacT and Eakins are running this team. I have no doubt. What I hope for is that MacT can find more Perron's and less Grebeshkov's next summer.

Development and Patience.

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#77 Quintana
January 02 2014, 12:26PM
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Lochenzo wrote:

I'd suspect that they are already looking to move Sam Gagner. His NTC kicks in this summer. Maybe that's why we saw Roman Horak get a looksee at centre.

I don't think I've seen anybody mention Kulikov here. He's risky in terms of his development and risk of flight to the KHL, but if Sam Gagner's value is as low as some of you suggest it is, then maybe that's the deal you could complete without surrendering too much.

I'll do that in a second!!!!!!

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#78 Lochenzo
January 02 2014, 12:28PM
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Offer sheet Subban and surrender 4 1st round picks.

I mean, what are the chances that the Oilers finish out of the playoffs next year and win the Connor McDavid sweepstakes?!?!?

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#79 A-Mc
January 02 2014, 12:30PM
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Lochenzo wrote:

Offer sheet Subban and surrender 4 1st round picks.

I mean, what are the chances that the Oilers finish out of the playoffs next year and win the Connor McDavid sweepstakes?!?!?

Oh it's almost a LOCK that McDavid comes to the Mighty Oilers next year! =D

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#80 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 12:31PM
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MessyEH! wrote:

Please give examples of 1st overalls who went back to junior?

Mike Modano 23 years ago is the last example.

As for Yak playing in the KHL please explain how that was holding anything above anyone's head. The kid went to his home town to play. To play the Pro game.

Yak said he would not report back to junior if he was not playing here he was going to the KHL.

You don't think Yak could of used some time learning the pro game?One more year of junior then the AHL would of helped with that.

It sure hurt Modano eh.If he needed seasoning he needed seasoning does not matter where he was drafted.

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#81 Lochenzo
January 02 2014, 12:36PM
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PutzStew wrote:

What is wrong with you people?????

Why would Colorado trade O'Reilly for anything with Hemsky, Gagner or Jones???

Do you really think that Colorado couldn't find a better deal then anything with one of those player in it?

Have you looked at Colorado's center depth??? They have to gray Centers already. Hemsky and Jones are UFA's so why would they want to trade them.

Seriously what are you people drinking???

O'Reilly might be available given his insane contract. To qualify him, you need to offer him more money than what he's making this year, which is like $6 million or something. If the Avs don't qualify him, he becomes an UFA. Maybe they move MacKinnon to centre to replace O'Reilly. Maybe Gagner is a good winger to play in their top 6.

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#82 Sisyphus
January 02 2014, 12:37PM
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What are you people on? I mean it--what good drugs do you clearly have?

The Oilers players are, on the whole, only of value to the Oilers. On a REAL hockey team, sadly, most of these players would be fringe/injury insurance at best.

No one wants Gags, even if we did decide to trade before the NTC kicks in. Certainly not for a player of value, even in a package (unless part of that package is RNH, Hall, or maaaybe Ebs). No one really wants Hemmer, and if they do, they'll sit tight until off-season, then pick him up without having to give us a thing.

Most teams aren't going to give us a solid dman, a 2C, a goalie, etc, etc. etc. for any of our prospects or even possibly the pick. You want improvement, you have to give to get. And we can't afford more seasons of giving crap to get different crap.

We can continue to try that, or wait on our prospects, but it wont be long until the "trade me out of this hell hole please" rumblings start from RNH, Ebs, Hall, Perron, etc.

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#83 PutzStew
January 02 2014, 12:39PM
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mr common sense wrote:

I think Buffalo would take Gagner for Steve Ott straight and if Im MacT, I do that in 1.5 seconds. Ott, a ufa, becomes the C to monitor Thornton, Getz and the other big C's in our division.

Next, do whatever the heck is necessary to land Webber, I think Eberle/Klefbom will do it.

Once you have Webber, then I honestly think we use J. Schultz as an asset to move out for a golden C....im thinking, J. Shultz/Alice/#2 for Coutourier/Simmonds

so we have added:

Ott, Webber, Coutourier and Simmonds and we delete gagner, alice, eberle, kelfbom....now that is frickin bold and our team is meteorically better.

Lets start here.

Ott will be a good deadline pick up and someone will probably over pay for him. Gagner needs to be behind a good top center so Buffalo isn't a good place for him.

See above about Webber.

And why would Philly want Shultz? Especially if Webber is available. Do you really think Nashville would juts let the Oilers know that Webber is available? Do you think they fell sorry for Edmonton and would just give Webber away, with out seeing what else was being offered??? Or that Philly would settle with Shultz as a runner up gift???

How about this....I will give you a 2x$5bills for one $20bill?

Come on. You get 2 for the price of one. I'll only do it for you though because you are special.

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#84 RexHolez
January 02 2014, 12:40PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Yak said he would not report back to junior if he was not playing here he was going to the KHL.

You don't think Yak could of used some time learning the pro game?One more year of junior then the AHL would of helped with that.

It sure hurt Modano eh.If he needed seasoning he needed seasoning does not matter where he was drafted.

I think letting Yak play his game would help too

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#85 Wayne Reynolds
January 02 2014, 12:47PM
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The quote regarding Sather hiring someone out of prison is the most discusting piece I have read on this site. Bringing up a regrettable incident from over thirty years ago is classless and ignorant. This should not exemplifily an Oiler fan #57 please go cheer for Calgary.

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#86 Chet134
January 02 2014, 12:48PM
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PutzStew wrote:

?????????????

This makes no sense??????

How did you end up with Weber??????

You think Nashville will just give him to you for Magic Beans?????

It makes total sense. So out of Eberle, yak, nurse, kleffbom, and Schultz, u can't get a deal done. Are u scouting for the Oilers.

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#87 DoubleJ
January 02 2014, 12:53PM
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I'm all over getting a better d instantly. I also think Klefbom has been over hyped from day one. So I have no problems using him to get one.

I do think the oilers will get a better dman at the draft. I keep saying Yandle is the guy. Phoenix is loaded on d, but there's no way hey're going to give him up this season.

The Oilers have the forwards to make this move. Plus Yandle is the best dman that could be available.

So as much as I hate not having a better d. we would get a better dman in the offseason.

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#88 Sisyphus
January 02 2014, 12:59PM
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If Weber were to really be available, no way the Oilers land him for anything short of Hall/RNH. Never going to happen--there are enough teams in the league that would want him, that we'd have to pay/offer top dollar/value for him. Teams aren't going to be interested in our prospects and our busted-prospects for a dman like Weber--pipe dream.

I wish it wasn't the case, but there's no way to fix this besides 1) a painful, blockbuster trade of RNH or Hall, etc., or 2) a lot more time/patience. And sadly, the Oiler nation doesn't have the stomach for another 4 years of finishing last in the league, which is what option 2 sets up

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#89 PutzStew
January 02 2014, 01:02PM
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Harry wrote:

Eberle, Klefbom, J Shultz and our 2014 1st.

If that trade is on the table id do it in a second.

Sigh.....

Ok Start with Hall or RNH....

Add a Nurse.....or maybe a Klefbom...

Probably a first rounder....I would want 2014 myself...maybe both 2013 and 2014....

and you might need to include a second rounder...maybe Yak....or Ebs...Gagner...Petry....who knows....

Just think "What would Philly give up for Webber?".....Or NYR?.....San Jose?....Etc......Now you have to beat that.

Eberle is a decent player but not impact enough to be the major part of the trade. Shultz...Same, but worse. Klefbom. He's not even an impact in the AHL and has barely played in the past two seasons. And this years first isn't going to be worth that much, unless it is #1 or #2.

Before you folks make these silly proposals please stop and try to imagine yourself as a fan of the other team....I know it may be hard because no other team has sucked as bad as the Oilers in a really long time....but think to yourself "Would I be willing to accept those Oilers Players in return for this player?"

This line of thinking will make a few of you look much more knowledgeable than you are causing yourselves to look.

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#90 Chet134
January 02 2014, 01:05PM
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@DoubleJ

Give this kid time. Two years ago, he was named top defensemen at the world jrs as a 18 yr old at a 20 yr old tourney. Never played last year due to injury. Now ur expecting him to step into the NHL. Hes as good as Brodin from Minny.

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#91 Sisyphus
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This is totally off topic, BUT....

Does anyone else wonder, just a little, if maybe Gagner isn't playing so terribly this season on purpose? He's always been thrown up as trade bait, and once he got his NTC for next season..

Maybe he realized that since he apparently wants to stay in Edmonton, the only way to really be sure he wasn't getting shipped out of town before his NTC kicked in, was to tank his value. The injury helped, for sure, but he's been playing far below form for even him

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#92 PutzStew
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Chet134 wrote:

It makes total sense. So out of Eberle, yak, nurse, kleffbom, and Schultz, u can't get a deal done. Are u scouting for the Oilers.

No it doesn't.

This is what you wrote... "U can't trade Nug or hall. If we have a chance to draft Ekblad it's a no brainier. The kid is a stud. Imagine having weber, nurse, Ekblad, Schultz, petry, ?. Much improved D."

You did not state you where going to get Webber. You mentioned drafting Ekblad, but nothing about Webber. He just magically appeared there.

That why it makes no sense...not to mention a pipe dream.

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#93 FireKLowe
January 02 2014, 01:14PM
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How about giving Klefbom a chance on the team before packaging him up in a trade? What if he suprises everyone and ends up being a top pairing D man that we so desperately need? Give your head a shake Willis!

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#94 TigerUnderGlass
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PutzStew wrote:

Sigh.....

Ok Start with Hall or RNH....

Add a Nurse.....or maybe a Klefbom...

Probably a first rounder....I would want 2014 myself...maybe both 2013 and 2014....

and you might need to include a second rounder...maybe Yak....or Ebs...Gagner...Petry....who knows....

Just think "What would Philly give up for Webber?".....Or NYR?.....San Jose?....Etc......Now you have to beat that.

Eberle is a decent player but not impact enough to be the major part of the trade. Shultz...Same, but worse. Klefbom. He's not even an impact in the AHL and has barely played in the past two seasons. And this years first isn't going to be worth that much, unless it is #1 or #2.

Before you folks make these silly proposals please stop and try to imagine yourself as a fan of the other team....I know it may be hard because no other team has sucked as bad as the Oilers in a really long time....but think to yourself "Would I be willing to accept those Oilers Players in return for this player?"

This line of thinking will make a few of you look much more knowledgeable than you are causing yourselves to look.

Weber aside, what makes you think a player like Hall or RNH needs to be moved to get a #1 defenseman?

They have been traded before, so why don't you take a second and look at what high end defenseman usually go for.

hint: It is NEVER players like Hall and RNH.

I agree that Weber is likely not on the table right now, but your apparent belief that everyone else is an idiot because they don't think it will cost Hall to get a top shelf defenseman is absurd.

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#95 OnlyOil
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Harry wrote:

Have you looked at Edms record in their last 20? Dont kid yourself the preperations for next year begin now! Not at the draft or the trade deadline. Losing is never an option. I am impressed what ive seen from our top players in the past 10 games ( other than st louis of course). So these guys should be playing pissed off and carry that over to training camp. Not recieving the message from management or the fans that losing is the goal in order to get a "potential" difference maker via a top 5 pick. Give your head a shake!!!!

Harry I totally agree with you, losing is not an option for this team. Losing the loser mentality has got to be the only way from here on out. If the players refuse to buy in to the team systems on how MacT and Eakins want this team to play...then move them out. In case nobody has noticed river hockey, free wheeling, defensively irresponsible hockey is for losers, this team doesn't have the talent of the 80's Oilers did, they must be defensively responsible. Taylor Hall is a champion and he will not tolerate this losing BS

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#96 Westcoastoil
January 02 2014, 01:19PM
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They will have to include one of Klefbom or Marincin (depending on which is valued higher by the trading partner) to get some value back.

They should also try and make some smaller like for like kind of trades with some forwards where the players may be more or less a wash, but the incoming player is coming from a successful team that plays the way the Oilers should be playing. Guys who will finish a check and go into the hard areas. This was apparently a big part of the Ference signing. We just need more of them even if they are of the 3 line variety.

I can't imagine Hall wants to wait for Nurse, Klembom, Marincin etc. to impact an NHL game

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#97 Ed in PV
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RexHolez wrote:

I think letting Yak play his game would help too

Yak has told us what his game and that is the root of the problem. He has stated his game is no checking just shooting. Hopefully this year will be a learning experience for him and the Oil will have an NHL caliber player in a year or two.

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#98 PutzStew
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A-Mc wrote:

That's likely what they would be asking for, but it's not something that would get done.

1st overall, 7th overall and likely top 3 overall, all likely to make 6m+/yr (by todays standards) for Weber? No way.

I guess I'm drinking the Koolaid, but i think at least 1 of those pieces needs to be of lower caliber than top 10 pick: ie: Ebs, Klef and our 1st.

So when making a trade, teams base the grading of potential player on their draft position.

That would mean PVR would be higher then Webber.

Just saying.

My point is that Philly was willing to give up 4 first round picks to get Webber. They even tried to sweeten the pot to get him. If he is available, what do you think they would give Nashville to get him? The only one I think they would not trade, would be Giroux.

So lets see. If I was Nashville....how about Couturier, Coburn, Voracek....picks.....prospects.....??? I don't think Philly will hold back if they have a chance to get Webber.

So my point is that you have to beat someone like Philly if you are going to win a sweepstakes for Webber, you are not going to be able to skimp. Edmonton would have to be all in to get him. Eberle, Klefbom and this years first is not all in.

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#99 michael
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Sisyphus wrote:

What are you people on? I mean it--what good drugs do you clearly have?

The Oilers players are, on the whole, only of value to the Oilers. On a REAL hockey team, sadly, most of these players would be fringe/injury insurance at best.

No one wants Gags, even if we did decide to trade before the NTC kicks in. Certainly not for a player of value, even in a package (unless part of that package is RNH, Hall, or maaaybe Ebs). No one really wants Hemmer, and if they do, they'll sit tight until off-season, then pick him up without having to give us a thing.

Most teams aren't going to give us a solid dman, a 2C, a goalie, etc, etc. etc. for any of our prospects or even possibly the pick. You want improvement, you have to give to get. And we can't afford more seasons of giving crap to get different crap.

We can continue to try that, or wait on our prospects, but it wont be long until the "trade me out of this hell hole please" rumblings start from RNH, Ebs, Hall, Perron, etc.

I agree. Who would want Gagner right now? What is his current value? At the moment very little. Hemsky is a 2cd or 3rd round pick. Maybe.

N Shultz? 4-6 th round. His numbers are awful.

The only way we get any of our needs is by trading away other key pieces.

Then the pundits want MacT to piss away a possible 1-5 pick. For what? So we can still suck 5 years from now.

Good teams develop players longterm. A franchise needs to draft and develop players continuously.

What is this the point of all this losing if we only glory once? We need to build a team and an organization that is competitive over time. Not for just short spurts.

MacT knows this and I hope he will do the right thing for this franchise longterm.

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#100 pkam
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I know of 3 types of trades.

1st type is playoff teams trade their futures for immediate help to push for the playoff and the cup. Usually, you give up more in this kind of trade. Since we are not a playoff team so so I don't think we are looking at the 1st type of trade.

2nd type is exchange of garbage. Hopefully your garbage may work better than mine. I don't think this type of trade is going to help us but at least it will quiet some fans with new faces.

3rd type is two teams trade away their redundant strength to fill a hole of their own.

I know we have needs in at least one 1st pairing D, more likely 2. A big 2C, a starting goalie, bigger 3rd line winger, and a 4C. But where is our redundant strength?

The only position we may have some redundancy is top 2 RW in Eberle, Yak and Hemsky. But some suggests that Eberle has already reached his maximum potential, Yak is still a big gamble, and Hemsky has no more value and we should let him walk UFA. So even our deepest position is not that deep. If we have so many holes and no real redundancy, what does it mean?

Some suggest packaging RNH/Hall for Weber. So we fill the top D hole with a new hole in 1C or 1LW? How is this helping our team?

So how can we improve the team but filling one hole with another?

I don't know about you, IMO, we are not ready yet. No trade is going to fix the problem. If we can't lure UFA to come here, the only option we have is to be patient and fill up our cupboard first.

If we are to trade away our young core players for some immediately help to push for playoff, we will never have a team good enough for the cup. Isn't it what we we did prior to 2010?

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