Oscar Klefbom might be most valuable to the Edmonton Oilers as a trade chip

Jonathan Willis
January 02 2014 08:24AM

It sounds decidedly counterintuitive. The Oilers need defencemen, so why would they trade a big 20-year-old blue-liner with a range of skills just as he’s learning the North American professional game?

There are reasons why it may make sense.

Availability

The simple fact is that Edmonton desperately needs at least one top-pairing calibre defenceman. The modern incarnation of Chris Pronger would be the dream here, which is why Shea Weber’s name never dies, but that may not be possible and if it isn’t Edmonton has to fill the void somehow.

The names that might be available on the trade market are generally some distance south of Weber. Players like Christian Ehrhoff and Brian Campbell and Dustin Byfuglien are the ones people speculate about; good, useful defenders either underrated by their current teams or playing out the string on a roster miles away from contending.

All of those guys have some warts, but all of them would represent a massive upgrade for an Edmonton team leaning on the trio of Jeff Petry, Andrew Ference and Justin Schultz. If MacTavish can’t bring in a Pronger, he needs to find at least a Boris Mironov or Janne Niinimaa or Roman Hamrlik. And given the meagre free agent pickings available, odds are good he’ll have to do it via trade.

Perfect Storm

In this hypothetical trade for a good defenceman, Edmonton needs a package of certain quality to trade. It has to be good enough to get the other team interested. It has to be non-vital enough that it isn’t going to crush the team to lose it. And finally it needs to be fair value for the Oilers, a team that needs to put meat on the table for every shot they fire.

The 2014 first round draft pick might have fit those bills, but at this point the Oilers would need eight more points than they have just to get outside the top-five of the draft. It’s still a moveable piece, but the return on it needs to be something bigger than Mironov or Niinimaa and those returns are hard to land.

Some of the young forwards (Taylor Hall and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins) are too vital to make the list; the others (Jordan Eberle and Nail Yakupov) fall into the same boat as that 2014 pick, where the guy coming the other way needs to be a lot bigger than he’s likely to be. Sam Gagner’s tradable but opens up an ugly hole at centre, and the only plausible internal replacement has all of 32 career games under his belt.

What about Darnell Nurse? Team Canada may not be in love with him but he’s a 6’4” 18-year-old with a mean streak and a near point-per-game scoring run under his belt in junior this year. He’s not going to be good enough soon enough to plug the hole on defence himself, but he’s Edmonton’s best prospect by a country mile and a perfect fit for long-term need.

Which is where Klefbom comes in. He’s a good player, with that nice blend of skills and a combination of size and speed that’s awfully hard to find. He was a first round draft pick. So he has value. But at the same time, he’s also 27 games into his AHL career, 20 years old and a guy who barely played last season; he isn’t going to fix Edmonton’s blue line problems any time soon. He can move the puck but his offensive ability has a definite ceiling; he might evolve into a very, very good shutdown guy but that’s years away and not impossible to find. He’s a left-shooting defenceman on a team with Nurse, Martin Marincin, Martin Gernat, Brandon Davidson and Dillon Simpson, so the Oilers have both quality and depth at the position.

Put it all together and it’s hard not to wonder if Klefbom is moved at some point. He has enough value to be the key asset in return for a good NHL player, much like he was when Edmonton moved Dustin Penner out. His absence doesn’t hurt the Oilers now, and they have a wealth of prospects at the position. And while an excellent prospect he’s not the kind of player likely to embarrass the team by winning a Norris Trophy five years down the road.

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#1 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 08:39AM
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"Sam Gagner’s tradable but opens up an ugly hole at centre,"

Acro can fill that hole short term until the summer.It is not like they are going to make the playoffs.

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#2 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 08:42AM
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Everyone not named Hall or Nuge should be on the table. As long as you get a equal return and fill one of the many needs on the team.

You have to give up quality to get quality.

~Besides Omark was traded so him and Gagner can no longer get you Weber.~

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#3 Stack Pad Save
January 02 2014, 08:59AM
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There already is an ugly hole at 2nd line centre in the Oilers Organization. There has been a hole in that position since Mark Messier left the organization.

But Oilers management in their infinite wisdom don't recognize or can't fill the 3 holes they have had for the last 10 years. No top defenseman (except when Pronger was around), No size with skill upfront and no second line centre.

I wish this Bold move would hurry up and already happen.

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#4 Posti
January 02 2014, 09:32AM
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To get Weber you would have to trade a lot. Eberle, Klefbom and our first rounder would probably be the only way to get Nashville to talk to us.

It might seem to be a bit of an overpay but all the best teams that have won Stanley Cups in last 20 years have a stud on D. Look at the last 8 years going backwards -> Seabrook/Keith, Doughty, Chara, Seabrook/Keith, Letang, Lidstrom, Pronger. Defense wins championships.

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#5 EHH Team
January 02 2014, 11:14AM
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mr common sense wrote:

I think Buffalo would take Gagner for Steve Ott straight and if Im MacT, I do that in 1.5 seconds. Ott, a ufa, becomes the C to monitor Thornton, Getz and the other big C's in our division.

Next, do whatever the heck is necessary to land Webber, I think Eberle/Klefbom will do it.

Once you have Webber, then I honestly think we use J. Schultz as an asset to move out for a golden C....im thinking, J. Shultz/Alice/#2 for Coutourier/Simmonds

so we have added:

Ott, Webber, Coutourier and Simmonds and we delete gagner, alice, eberle, kelfbom....now that is frickin bold and our team is meteorically better.

You're dreaming if you think Nashville moves Webber for Eberle & Klefbom

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#6 Rick Stroppel
January 02 2014, 11:34AM
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MACTAVISH THE RIVERBOAT GAMBLER

I would love to play cards with MacTavish. He would probably say things like "this hand is crappy, I am probably going to fold" or "man, this is a great hand, you would be foolish to bet against me!".

Consider his recent statements. "We are getting rid of Horcoff and Hemsky, we don't want them anymore". That is like going to the used car lot and saying "this car of mine is a piece of junk, I would take anything if you would just take it off my hands".

Or "we are building around a core of 8 or 9 or 10 players". Oh yeah? Are Dubnyk, Justin Schultz and Gagner on that 'protected list'? The 'for sale' should be hung (privately) on every player except Hall and RNH.

And "we will probably trade our first round pick, no matter how high it is". Wouldn't it be better to say "this is a fantastic draft year, if anyone wants that pick they better come with a very special offer". If MacTavish was an NFL GM, I think he would have made Tim Tebow the number one overall pick.

Seriously. This team is at a crossroads, BIG TIME. The next big trade may be the the most important one of the last 25 years. For the sake of the team, I hope he gets it right.

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#8 Cynic
January 02 2014, 10:10AM
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Is it glue-sniffing season already in Edmonton? Who'd be breaking down the doors for a Dman who can't stay healthy and has 10 career points in (far) lesser leagues? The NHL's competent GMs are not eager to relieve The Mickey Mouse Club of its draft mistakes. Or is somebody going to point out that Klefbom's corgis in close against tough Fenwicks on 5x5 zone starts are more important than his "counting numbers"?

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#9 RexHolez
January 02 2014, 10:36AM
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Who cares how we get new players or who we trade. Pick names out of a hat, this team is pathetic and I find it hard to imagine they could get any worst

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#10 Spaceman Spiff
January 02 2014, 03:14PM
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Um… I think you folks might be over-estimating Shea Weber’s value a tad.

There are a lot of names being thrown around and it seems like most of you think it’ll take two of Hall, Nuge, Eberle, and J-Schultz, along with Klefbom and the No. 1 pick.

But I can quote some case-law that suggests that a deal for Weber could be done for less than that. And it’s a case involving another trade the Oilers made for adefenceman.

In the summer of 2005, the Oilers traded Eric Brewer, Doug Lynch and Jeff Woywitka for a 30-year-old Chris Pronger.

The Oilers got the league’s best defenceman for a decent No.3/4 defenceman, plus two mid-level prospects.

Yes, I know – the Oilers were taking advantage of some Blues’ cap troubles. But, upon closer examination, the Blues’ troubles weren’t actually that bad.

You’ll recall that, about five minutes after trading for Pronger, the Oilers signed him to a five-year contract worth $31.5 million US ($6.25 million US annually). But what is sometimes forgotten is that, before the trade, the Blues had tendered a qualifying offer to Pronger that would have paid him $7.22 million-per. Their problem was they also made similar offers to Keith Tkachuk and Doug Weight which would have meant that three players would have eaten up almost $20 million of their cap space (at the time, the cap was $39 million).

In other words, the Blues weren’t really in “cap trouble,” but more “cap-inconvenience.” It's my opinion that they could have lived with that arrangement and probably done OK ... but I'm not a GM, and whoever was at the time obviously thought that Pronger was worth one quality NHL rearguard and two middling defensive prospects in a cap-motivated trade.

I’d argue that the Predators could be in the same boat with Weber. And, I’d take it one step further and say that the Preds have a chance to do a better “hockey deal” than the Blues did eight years ago.

Last time I checked, the Preds score at a rate of one goal a week. Eberle plus Klefbom plus the No. 1 pick should just about do it. Honestly. These are the deals that get made nowadays.

Hall plus Nuge plus Klefbom plus the No. 1 pick? Don’t be silly, people. The Oilers didn’t get that for No. 99.

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#11 oilerjed
January 02 2014, 08:58AM
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@JW, My question for a big trade to happen is WHEN? Ive said it before and Ill say it again, sooner is better if this team wants to gain some momentum to start next season. I hate the thought of another summer of a few tweaks and then letting it roll. Why not get it started today, most teams we are talking about already know the score on these players too.

In your opinion is MacT working it now or is he bidng his time until the trade deadline and draft. I hope not.

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#12 The Soup Fascist
January 02 2014, 09:40AM
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".... an Edmonton team leaning on the trio of Jeff Petry, Andrew Ference and Justin Schultz".

With these three guys chomping up the tough minutes as effortlessly as they are, it is easy to see why Smid was expendable ....

The Oilers are at least two QUALITY defensemen away from being adequate. If a borderline #1 like Dion Phaneuf costs $49 million a year over 7 years ..... what is a free agent going to cost this summer - assuming you can convince an impact guy to sign here? A big trade with one of the kids or waiting and hoping for a Nurse, Klefbom et al to become serviceable appear to be the only options. Neither option (trading a kid / waiting) is particularly attractive.

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#13 A-Mc
January 02 2014, 11:36AM
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@Ryan2

Sorry, you weren't going to get a #1/2 Dman for Magnus PRV.

If anyone was given the option of trading PRV for a #1/2 Dman OR Perron, it's a no brainer to take the Dman. That option wasn't presented because there's no way PRV was part of a trade for that calibre of player.

Perron was a steal and we were lucky to get that. The only reason we did was because of STL's money situation.

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#14 Serious Gord
January 02 2014, 01:52PM
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Wayne Reynolds wrote:

The quote regarding Sather hiring someone out of prison is the most discusting piece I have read on this site. Bringing up a regrettable incident from over thirty years ago is classless and ignorant. This should not exemplifily an Oiler fan #57 please go cheer for Calgary.

Why is it disgusting? It is 100% true. And it is a credit to both Sather and MacT what happened because Sather took a chance and MacT made the most of it - the number of people who are convicted and jailed for vehicular homicide and actually make something of their lives is very very few.

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#15 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 03:06PM
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thefoz wrote:

So what do you guys think a reasonable return for a package like this:

Eberle+Klefbom+2014 1st (with best shot at either of Ekblad or Reinhart or whoever else they're pimping by then)

I would think that could form the basis of a deal that might land a player of Subban's calibre. I love me some Shea Weber, but I would be targeting Subban before him given his current contract situation, his insane talent, and his age.

That is an over pay for Subban.

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#17 Walter Sobchak
January 02 2014, 02:14PM
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If I'm MacTavish Weber is really the only player I move at.

Weber instantly makes the defence better as a group & the Oilers players better. I doubt Campbell or Ehrhof would have the same effect overall on a team.

Both Ehrhof & Campbell are ultra butter soft payers who on good teams are 2-3 D-players much like Campbell in Chicago & Ehrhof in Vancouver, this doesn't help the Oilers.

The Oilers need to get bigger, meaner & better.

The Oilers need Weber almost as much for an identity as they need him to anchor a brutal defence & play 27 a night.

The other is term, whether you hate it or not Weber is locked up for a long time, his salary in three years won't look as bad as it does to some people now.

To me getting any other defensemen is just getting more of the same.

It's the intangible's that Weber brings that very few other can match, the respect he is given on the PP open up plays all over the ice. His aggressive play in the front is exactly what this team lacks, his PK work & ability to shut other teams top players down on a poor team.

I hate to speculate what it would take to get Weber, it might be high? It might be right down the Pronger type deal?

One thing is for certain, with J.Schultz you don't need another Ehrhof or Campbell

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#18 Sisyphus
January 02 2014, 02:03PM
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I see a lot of comments who seem to be rather more interested in staying the course, developing our prospects and picks, etc. Don't trade away our star assets for pieces now, just be patient.

And while I can understand this, I really can--because it will HURT to say goodbye to a quality piece or two to solve needs now--I think people miss the point. That if you DON'T do this now, you take the patient, slow-moving, build for the future approach, you may lose those stars anyways.

By the time our prospects, picks, etc. develop into (hopefully) top-notch NHL quality players, our core guys contracts will be coming up. Anyone here want to tell me they see Hall, or RNH, or Eberle, re-signing here if they've been in a crappy re-build, finishing last or close to it, for the last 5-6 years?

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#19 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 10:57AM
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Ed in PV wrote:

Gagner is not tradeable at the moment. Do you think any GM would take on $4.8 million for a center who is on track for less the 40 points and trending to a -30? Unless he starts playing better, a buy out will be the Oil's only option. You are falling into the common fault of the Edmonton Sport's media of over valuing the Oil's players abilities.

If you think of the Penner to LA trade a few years ago, the Oil got two first rounders for Penner ( Teubert and a pick who became Klefbom). If this is a metric it will take more than just a lower 1st round pick who has yet to show much as a pro for a higher end D man. I would suggest the Oil would need offer up at least at much as the got for Penner.

But, but he scored eight points in a game once.

All kidding aside anyone is tradable and GM's value draft postilion and youth.

The bigger concern to me is why was Gagner signed to that contract in the first place.Including a partial no trade clause.Easy answer is yes management here is that bad.It is mind numbing the incompetence of this management group.

It is better to trade him for whatever you can get between now and the trade deadline then to buy him out for no return this summer.

The sad,scary part is it looks like management here still believe he is part of the solution not part of the problem.

His game and the teams record states otherwise.

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#20 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 11:09AM
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mr common sense wrote:

I think Buffalo would take Gagner for Steve Ott straight and if Im MacT, I do that in 1.5 seconds. Ott, a ufa, becomes the C to monitor Thornton, Getz and the other big C's in our division.

Next, do whatever the heck is necessary to land Webber, I think Eberle/Klefbom will do it.

Once you have Webber, then I honestly think we use J. Schultz as an asset to move out for a golden C....im thinking, J. Shultz/Alice/#2 for Coutourier/Simmonds

so we have added:

Ott, Webber, Coutourier and Simmonds and we delete gagner, alice, eberle, kelfbom....now that is frickin bold and our team is meteorically better.

You over value Oiler players almost as much as the Oilers management group does.

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#21 oilerjed
January 02 2014, 10:30AM
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@Ed in PV

With repect to Gags I would have to disagree. I think most GMs would see it for what it is. A solid offensive contributer having a miserable year on both defense and offense. I wouldnt put too much stock in the idea that Gagner is a worthless asset.

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#22 Harry
January 02 2014, 11:36AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Let me clarify a bit. As the team is currently constituted there is almost no chance they will finish out of the bottom five. It would be more likely that they finish worse (30th) than they are now as buffalo seems to be getting a bit better and is playing most of its games against the east whereas EDM will be getting its teeth kicked in most games against the western powerhouses.

Thus making significant additions - improvements - is pointless and risky. Better to stand pat and see what the current group can do and not give Eakins any excuse to avoid being fired for continued incompetency.

Have you looked at Edms record in their last 20? Dont kid yourself the preperations for next year begin now! Not at the draft or the trade deadline. Losing is never an option. I am impressed what ive seen from our top players in the past 10 games ( other than st louis of course). So these guys should be playing pissed off and carry that over to training camp. Not recieving the message from management or the fans that losing is the goal in order to get a "potential" difference maker via a top 5 pick. Give your head a shake!!!!

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#23 Lochenzo
January 02 2014, 10:58AM
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I think I would need to know what the 1st round pick is before I deal it, meaning nothing will happen until the summer. If the pick is top 2 (Reinhart or Ekblad), the pick should be off the table. And no way you give up a shot at Connor McDavid next year.

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#26 Serious Gord
January 02 2014, 09:46AM
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In light of the Gleason trade and the Phaneuf and ference signings I think it's fair to say that the position that is undergoing the highest appreciation rate is the seasoned top four defenseman. (ference isn't even a solid top four and he got paid pretty big dough for being a 4-5 player)

That teams who lack strength in said top 1-4 players are all struggling in the standings justifies the rapid inflation rate and that is exacerbated by the looming big jump in cap room.

That begets two things:

1. Getting a player of the quality EDM needs cannot be done via Free agency - no potential candidate is coming of their own free will to a team that has so many non-monetary liabilities.

2. It is going to take some stones on MacT's part to consummate a deal as he will have to give up assets and take on cap commitments that will be viewed by the vast majority of oil fans as being a massive overpay. MacT has already shown a chronic tendency to overvalue the assets he has or knows - gagner, grebs and many many others - so I doubt he is prepared to take the plunge unless its prospects like klefbom or perhaps a player who is at odds with management (yak). And the latter has happened several times before so i suspect it may happen again.

And, while there is some merit to making a move at the deadline - motivated trade partners, time during this season to acclimatize the team and get a better start next year - i think it would be a big mistake.

Like it or not tanking for the rest of the season should be the goal - sadly the only advantage to having a disastrous season - the remainder of the year. to play their way out of a top five pick - a pick that could get that high-end defenseman or some other desperately needed asset would be a silly, face-saving gesture that goes against the long-term interests of the team.

That and the fact that there will be many more options available in the off-season than there will be at the trade deadline.

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#27 Ed in PV
January 02 2014, 09:57AM
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Spydyr wrote:

"Sam Gagner’s tradable but opens up an ugly hole at centre,"

Acro can fill that hole short term until the summer.It is not like they are going to make the playoffs.

Gagner is not tradeable at the moment. Do you think any GM would take on $4.8 million for a center who is on track for less the 40 points and trending to a -30? Unless he starts playing better, a buy out will be the Oil's only option. You are falling into the common fault of the Edmonton Sport's media of over valuing the Oil's players abilities.

If you think of the Penner to LA trade a few years ago, the Oil got two first rounders for Penner ( Teubert and a pick who became Klefbom). If this is a metric it will take more than just a lower 1st round pick who has yet to show much as a pro for a higher end D man. I would suggest the Oil would need offer up at least at much as the got for Penner.

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#28 Dog Train
January 02 2014, 11:48AM
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Sooner or later, we have to give up something of value in order to get value. We can keep shipping out guys like Ladislav Smid, Nick Shultz and Ryan Jones for draft picks and prospects but eventually we will need to trade a useful piece knowing full well that they could contribute to another organization. We do have pieces that other teams could find useful, they're all just too young or bring the same things to the table. Not all of our prospect Dmen will get the opportunity to play for the Edmonton Oilers so, other than Nurse, they should be available for the right price.

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#29 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 03:39PM
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thefoz wrote:

I'm also probably in the minority here, but all things equal, I think a 24 year old Subban might be a more valuable asset (assuming he can be signed for an $8x8MM type deal) than a 28 year old Weber signed for an AAV of $7.87MM until he's 40.

My choice would be Alex Pietrangelo 6 ft 3 in 205 lb signed for seven-years worth $45.5 million ($6.5 million per season)He is 23 fits right into the group age wise.I would trade anyone not named Hall or Nuge but good luck getting him .

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#30 Dman09
January 02 2014, 09:05AM
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I wouldn't be opposed to trading him. The simple fact is that Mac will need to cough something up to get a good player and considering whats in the pipe on Defense I would imagine Klefbom or Gernat would be the likely moves out but Klefbom has more value. I would vote for a Dustin Byfuglien trade as I think he brings a lot of things this team needs including some attitude, he has a Cup under his belt and is still 28. His conditioning might be an issue but I'm sure Eakins can take care of that.

So JW what do you think it would take in a trade the get Dustin Byfuglien?

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#31 Freewheeling Freddie
January 02 2014, 09:56AM
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I get real scared when I think of Oiler trades.You know Lowe Katz and probably Katz's son have final say. I would like something better than Campbell or Erhoff. If you are going to trade a dman with lots of upside such as Klefbom make it a blockbuster ,Klefbom our first and possibly Eberle, that would be very very bold.Nobody else on our 2nd 3rd or 4th lines have any real cache.

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#32 Ryan2
January 02 2014, 10:52AM
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oilerjed wrote:

With repect to Gags I would have to disagree. I think most GMs would see it for what it is. A solid offensive contributer having a miserable year on both defense and offense. I wouldnt put too much stock in the idea that Gagner is a worthless asset.

At that contract number he is a worthless asset. MacT overpaid for him last summer and now he is dead weight in any trade.

Add in the fact that he has offensive skill, but has always been defensively clueless, is small, and an average skater at best, and he has little to no value to another team.

The smart move last year would have been to qualify him and then let him test the RFA market. If another team signed him, take the 1st round pick (or picks if someone overpaid) and go away laughing.

Like I said when the deal was done, the smarter move would have been dealing Gagner instead of Colgiano.......

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#33 Sisyphus
January 02 2014, 12:37PM
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What are you people on? I mean it--what good drugs do you clearly have?

The Oilers players are, on the whole, only of value to the Oilers. On a REAL hockey team, sadly, most of these players would be fringe/injury insurance at best.

No one wants Gags, even if we did decide to trade before the NTC kicks in. Certainly not for a player of value, even in a package (unless part of that package is RNH, Hall, or maaaybe Ebs). No one really wants Hemmer, and if they do, they'll sit tight until off-season, then pick him up without having to give us a thing.

Most teams aren't going to give us a solid dman, a 2C, a goalie, etc, etc. etc. for any of our prospects or even possibly the pick. You want improvement, you have to give to get. And we can't afford more seasons of giving crap to get different crap.

We can continue to try that, or wait on our prospects, but it wont be long until the "trade me out of this hell hole please" rumblings start from RNH, Ebs, Hall, Perron, etc.

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#34 Wayne Reynolds
January 02 2014, 12:47PM
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The quote regarding Sather hiring someone out of prison is the most discusting piece I have read on this site. Bringing up a regrettable incident from over thirty years ago is classless and ignorant. This should not exemplifily an Oiler fan #57 please go cheer for Calgary.

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#35 OnlyOil
January 02 2014, 01:17PM
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Harry wrote:

Have you looked at Edms record in their last 20? Dont kid yourself the preperations for next year begin now! Not at the draft or the trade deadline. Losing is never an option. I am impressed what ive seen from our top players in the past 10 games ( other than st louis of course). So these guys should be playing pissed off and carry that over to training camp. Not recieving the message from management or the fans that losing is the goal in order to get a "potential" difference maker via a top 5 pick. Give your head a shake!!!!

Harry I totally agree with you, losing is not an option for this team. Losing the loser mentality has got to be the only way from here on out. If the players refuse to buy in to the team systems on how MacT and Eakins want this team to play...then move them out. In case nobody has noticed river hockey, free wheeling, defensively irresponsible hockey is for losers, this team doesn't have the talent of the 80's Oilers did, they must be defensively responsible. Taylor Hall is a champion and he will not tolerate this losing BS

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#36 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 02:56PM
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RexHolez wrote:

I think letting Yak play his game would help too

Unfortunately there are two ends in hockey.

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#37 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 03:54PM
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thefoz wrote:

I like Pietrangelo too but I think Subban is more of a complete player. The extra $1.5MM per in cap space would be nice though, but I think he'd be a harder get because of that cap-friendly deal.

Funny, I think Pietrangelo is the more complete player.Subban is to much a me guy for my liking.Also to much of a hot dog but to each their own.

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#39 The Soup Fascist
January 02 2014, 10:48AM
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John Chambers wrote:

Byfuglien is the guy I would target instead of Ehrhoff because he has both offensive abilities as well as size and nastiness that this team hasn't had since Souray.

Although Ehrhoff's contract is a bargain, and worth trading for in and of itself.

With the new liberal cannabis laws in Colorado which came into effect January 1st, expect 'ol Dusty to end up with the Avs in the not too distant future.

Byfuglien's list of teams in a limited NTC: Colorado Avs, Seattle (upon being granted a expansion team) and Jamaica.

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#40 Serious Gord
January 02 2014, 11:18AM
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oilerjed wrote:

With repect to Gags I would have to disagree. I think most GMs would see it for what it is. A solid offensive contributer having a miserable year on both defense and offense. I wouldnt put too much stock in the idea that Gagner is a worthless asset.

Gagner is not worth what he's is contracted to be paid. Thus he is worthless at best and more likely a negative asset.

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#41 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 11:41AM
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Ed in PV wrote:

OK, you've convinced me. If you are trading a problem for a problem then something might be doable.

Well your not getting Weber for Gagner and Klefbom. Of course your going to get what he is worth and we can both agree that is not much.

Sather loves lost causes.He even took a chance on someone straight out of prison once.Tell me what ever became of him.Oh wait.

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#42 A-Mc
January 02 2014, 11:42AM
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Harry wrote:

Have you looked at Edms record in their last 20? Dont kid yourself the preperations for next year begin now! Not at the draft or the trade deadline. Losing is never an option. I am impressed what ive seen from our top players in the past 10 games ( other than st louis of course). So these guys should be playing pissed off and carry that over to training camp. Not recieving the message from management or the fans that losing is the goal in order to get a "potential" difference maker via a top 5 pick. Give your head a shake!!!!

You're blurring the lines between the different perspectives on the team.

From the Players perspective, you're right, losing CAN'T be the mandate. But from the GM's perspective (Serious Gord's position) getting the highest draft pick possible is best if you're going to suck anyway.

You're using insulting words by calling him a complete idiot and then you're arguing a position that is from a perspective NOT related to personnel acquisition.

The Subject matter of the original article suggests that we are to put our GM thinking caps on so please drop the crap about player mentality.

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#43 PutzStew
January 02 2014, 12:20PM
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Chet134 wrote:

U can't trade Nug or hall. If we have a chance to draft Ekblad it's a no brainier. The kid is a stud. Imagine having weber, nurse, Ekblad, Schultz, petry, ?. Much improved D.

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This makes no sense??????

How did you end up with Weber??????

You think Nashville will just give him to you for Magic Beans?????

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#44 michael
January 02 2014, 01:42PM
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Sisyphus wrote:

What are you people on? I mean it--what good drugs do you clearly have?

The Oilers players are, on the whole, only of value to the Oilers. On a REAL hockey team, sadly, most of these players would be fringe/injury insurance at best.

No one wants Gags, even if we did decide to trade before the NTC kicks in. Certainly not for a player of value, even in a package (unless part of that package is RNH, Hall, or maaaybe Ebs). No one really wants Hemmer, and if they do, they'll sit tight until off-season, then pick him up without having to give us a thing.

Most teams aren't going to give us a solid dman, a 2C, a goalie, etc, etc. etc. for any of our prospects or even possibly the pick. You want improvement, you have to give to get. And we can't afford more seasons of giving crap to get different crap.

We can continue to try that, or wait on our prospects, but it wont be long until the "trade me out of this hell hole please" rumblings start from RNH, Ebs, Hall, Perron, etc.

I agree. Who would want Gagner right now? What is his current value? At the moment very little. Hemsky is a 2cd or 3rd round pick. Maybe.

N Shultz? 4-6 th round. His numbers are awful.

The only way we get any of our needs is by trading away other key pieces.

Then the pundits want MacT to piss away a possible 1-5 pick. For what? So we can still suck 5 years from now.

Good teams develop players longterm. A franchise needs to draft and develop players continuously.

What is this the point of all this losing if we only glory once? We need to build a team and an organization that is competitive over time. Not for just short spurts.

MacT knows this and I hope he will do the right thing for this franchise longterm.

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#45 They're $hittie
January 02 2014, 09:32AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

I'd guess Klefbom has more cachet, but I could be wrong.

I think it comes down to which one you would rather keep. Marincin is a little older and seems a little bit more ready.

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#46 S4H1
January 02 2014, 09:48AM
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A major deal for a top defenseman would, I think, be more likely in the summer.

The package we received for Pronger was a skill player, a first round pick and a defensive prospect. A package of Eberle, 2014 1st(top 5), and Klefbom is a superior mix and could, maybe, be enough to get Nashville intrigued.

For a lesser D such as Ehrhoff I imagine a team like Buffalo would like a prospect the caliber of Klefbom and may be happy to dump that contract and trade straight across. I'm not sure that we have the right pieces to include in such a deal.

JW, do you think the oilers have the necessary assets to gain an Ehrhoff caliber defenseman without over paying?

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#47 vetinari
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I could easily see MacT packaging up one of either Eberele (the most trade value with a locked in long term contract) or Yakupov (the red-headed stepchild) together with Klefbom for some veteran defensive help and then use the 2014 first rounder to pick yet another forward to replace the outgoing forward. Just a hunch given that we hate to "waste" top 5 picks on defencemen...

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#48 A-Mc
January 02 2014, 10:51AM
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RexHolez wrote:

Who cares how we get new players or who we trade. Pick names out of a hat, this team is pathetic and I find it hard to imagine they could get any worst

lol. I'd hazard a guess that this is how a significant portion of Oilers fans feel these days. Right or wrong, it's how we feel!

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#49 PutzStew
January 02 2014, 12:25PM
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wintoon wrote:

There are 2 gaping and critical holes to fill with the Oilers line up. The first is a top pairing D man and the second is a 2C. As many have said, filling the top pairing D man is very challenging and would be at a premium cost wise. Perhaps the first step should be to explore a trade for a 2C such as O'Rielly from the Avs. Given the acrimony generated last year perhaps he could be available. This might be achieved using assets such as Gagner, Hemsky, Jones, Klefbom, Marincin and our 2015 first rounder to acquire a proven upgrade on the D. The Oilerws would then still have their 2014 top 5 lottery pick to fill either the 2C hole or combine it with Eberle or Yakupov to obtain that coveted top pairing D man. In any event, this coming trade deadline and the 2014 draft will be key to the Oilers and MacT's future. I wish them both every success.

What is wrong with you people?????

Why would Colorado trade O'Reilly for anything with Hemsky, Gagner or Jones???

Do you really think that Colorado couldn't find a better deal then anything with one of those player in it?

Have you looked at Colorado's center depth??? They have to gray Centers already. Hemsky and Jones are UFA's so why would they want to trade them.

Seriously what are you people drinking???

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#50 Ed in PV
January 02 2014, 01:22PM
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RexHolez wrote:

I think letting Yak play his game would help too

Yak has told us what his game and that is the root of the problem. He has stated his game is no checking just shooting. Hopefully this year will be a learning experience for him and the Oil will have an NHL caliber player in a year or two.

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