Oscar Klefbom might be most valuable to the Edmonton Oilers as a trade chip

Jonathan Willis
January 02 2014 08:24AM

It sounds decidedly counterintuitive. The Oilers need defencemen, so why would they trade a big 20-year-old blue-liner with a range of skills just as he’s learning the North American professional game?

There are reasons why it may make sense.

Availability

The simple fact is that Edmonton desperately needs at least one top-pairing calibre defenceman. The modern incarnation of Chris Pronger would be the dream here, which is why Shea Weber’s name never dies, but that may not be possible and if it isn’t Edmonton has to fill the void somehow.

The names that might be available on the trade market are generally some distance south of Weber. Players like Christian Ehrhoff and Brian Campbell and Dustin Byfuglien are the ones people speculate about; good, useful defenders either underrated by their current teams or playing out the string on a roster miles away from contending.

All of those guys have some warts, but all of them would represent a massive upgrade for an Edmonton team leaning on the trio of Jeff Petry, Andrew Ference and Justin Schultz. If MacTavish can’t bring in a Pronger, he needs to find at least a Boris Mironov or Janne Niinimaa or Roman Hamrlik. And given the meagre free agent pickings available, odds are good he’ll have to do it via trade.

Perfect Storm

In this hypothetical trade for a good defenceman, Edmonton needs a package of certain quality to trade. It has to be good enough to get the other team interested. It has to be non-vital enough that it isn’t going to crush the team to lose it. And finally it needs to be fair value for the Oilers, a team that needs to put meat on the table for every shot they fire.

The 2014 first round draft pick might have fit those bills, but at this point the Oilers would need eight more points than they have just to get outside the top-five of the draft. It’s still a moveable piece, but the return on it needs to be something bigger than Mironov or Niinimaa and those returns are hard to land.

Some of the young forwards (Taylor Hall and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins) are too vital to make the list; the others (Jordan Eberle and Nail Yakupov) fall into the same boat as that 2014 pick, where the guy coming the other way needs to be a lot bigger than he’s likely to be. Sam Gagner’s tradable but opens up an ugly hole at centre, and the only plausible internal replacement has all of 32 career games under his belt.

What about Darnell Nurse? Team Canada may not be in love with him but he’s a 6’4” 18-year-old with a mean streak and a near point-per-game scoring run under his belt in junior this year. He’s not going to be good enough soon enough to plug the hole on defence himself, but he’s Edmonton’s best prospect by a country mile and a perfect fit for long-term need.

Which is where Klefbom comes in. He’s a good player, with that nice blend of skills and a combination of size and speed that’s awfully hard to find. He was a first round draft pick. So he has value. But at the same time, he’s also 27 games into his AHL career, 20 years old and a guy who barely played last season; he isn’t going to fix Edmonton’s blue line problems any time soon. He can move the puck but his offensive ability has a definite ceiling; he might evolve into a very, very good shutdown guy but that’s years away and not impossible to find. He’s a left-shooting defenceman on a team with Nurse, Martin Marincin, Martin Gernat, Brandon Davidson and Dillon Simpson, so the Oilers have both quality and depth at the position.

Put it all together and it’s hard not to wonder if Klefbom is moved at some point. He has enough value to be the key asset in return for a good NHL player, much like he was when Edmonton moved Dustin Penner out. His absence doesn’t hurt the Oilers now, and they have a wealth of prospects at the position. And while an excellent prospect he’s not the kind of player likely to embarrass the team by winning a Norris Trophy five years down the road.

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#101 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 04:14PM
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thefoz wrote:

As for this part:

He may, he may also end up being a bust. Subban is a Norris winner with a proven record of excellence for going on three seasons now. He's the real deal, and the Oilers need a few more of those and a few less 'could be great's' in the organization at this time.

IMO Subban was not the best defencemen last year Suter was my guy.The Olympic player committee may agree if they leave him off team Canada.

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#102 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 04:23PM
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15w40 wrote:

Eberle & the 2014 1st should be enough to get the conversation started on Weber. Right now I don't think there is any urgency to get anything done before the draft - the playoffs are gone.

I still believe the preference is to try and get Yakupov to play good hockey and trade him not Eberle.

Nashville may not want to go down that road with a Russian player again though. Weber is a long shot to complete a transaction I think but I think Poile would listen.

You do understand if they let Weber go to Philadelphia the would have received four first-round draft picks. They also payed Weber many millions in bonus.

Now even if they wanted to trade him after all that the Oilers would be bidding against every other team for his services.

Eberle & the 2014 1st would get the phone hung up on you.

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#103 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 02 2014, 04:40PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

We don't actually know Winnipeg has any interest in moving him; it seems possible given the state of the organization, the warts on the player, and the angry columns in the local paper but it's all speculation.

I would take Byfuglien in a heartbeat......but I don't think he's what the Oilers mgt is looking for....too tough, too much of a rebel for their tastes and eats too many doughnuts.......for Oilers mgt it's Penner and Souray all over again....and they don't like, and can't seem to manage,outspoken players who go against the grain......unfortunately ...

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#104 wintoon
January 02 2014, 10:33AM
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There are 2 gaping and critical holes to fill with the Oilers line up. The first is a top pairing D man and the second is a 2C. As many have said, filling the top pairing D man is very challenging and would be at a premium cost wise. Perhaps the first step should be to explore a trade for a 2C such as O'Rielly from the Avs. Given the acrimony generated last year perhaps he could be available. This might be achieved using assets such as Gagner, Hemsky, Jones, Klefbom, Marincin and our 2015 first rounder to acquire a proven upgrade on the D. The Oilerws would then still have their 2014 top 5 lottery pick to fill either the 2C hole or combine it with Eberle or Yakupov to obtain that coveted top pairing D man. In any event, this coming trade deadline and the 2014 draft will be key to the Oilers and MacT's future. I wish them both every success.

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#105 oilerjed
January 02 2014, 10:40AM
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@JW Or anyone who knows

What is the deal with Yakimov? Is he legit and how far away is he from the nhl? Looks like an excellent candidate for 2C to me, without even having to give up anyone that could be used for a Dman.

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#106 OilDieHard
January 02 2014, 10:51AM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

With the new liberal cannabis laws in Colorado which came into effect January 1st, expect 'ol Dusty to end up with the Avs in the not too distant future.

Byfuglien's list of teams in a limited NTC: Colorado Avs, Seattle (upon being granted a expansion team) and Jamaica.

if the Hawks made a little more cap room, and with the cap going up next year, i could easily see the Hawks trying to re-acquire him.

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#107 Sisyphus
January 02 2014, 12:15PM
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Oh thank goodness Putz, another voice of reason! (And I mean that, no sarcasm).

Oiler fans tend to forget that there are going to be a bunch of other teams in play for any players that provide actual skill and value. Why fans here seem to think that Gagner for anyone other than perhaps a prospect is going to happen is beyond me.

The Oilers need serious, veteran, immediate help. And you aren't going to get the kind of help you need without giving up some serious skill in return. Frankly, I see two options.

1. Give up a Yak, Gagner, Hemmer, Schultz, maybe the pick, and piece-meal approach to fix all the glaring holes in the organization, one trade at a time.

2. Bite the bullet, put Hall or RNH, plus the pick (or similar) on the line, and go after a team that can provide pieces to fix quite a few of the holes at once--i.e. a dman, a gritty BUT ALSO SKILLED veteran forward, and a goalie.

I'm in favor of #2, because at least you'd get it all done at once, rather than thinking "oh sure, we fixed one hole, we're done now, right?"

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#108 michael
January 02 2014, 12:25PM
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JW we might see 10 points this month. Might. The schedule makers have not been kind. Its a murderers row of the WC's top teams. My expectations are low for Oilers going into the Olympic break. Which will be a needed break both physically and mentally.

The Olympic break will certainly be a most interesting time for the Oilers management and coaching staff. A time to look at the current players and review its plan moving forward.

The tradeline will see some players moved. Whether there will any current Oilers moved is another question. We have some tradeable assets in our own deluded opinions. We'll have to see if our reality matches any of the other 29 GM's.

If I had m druthers I would keep out 2014 pick. I would try to get Eckblad or Sam Rheinhart. I like Ritchie also. DalColle?

Many of you have posted about the lack of FA signings that we'll see. As far as defencemen goes really has anyone but me looked at the list? Its a list of 5-6 dmen. Anyone worth having as a number 1 is signed long term already by their respective clubs.

Forwards? A second line center? Good luck finding one.

MacT and Eakins are running this team. I have no doubt. What I hope for is that MacT can find more Perron's and less Grebeshkov's next summer.

Development and Patience.

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#109 Quintana
January 02 2014, 12:26PM
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Lochenzo wrote:

I'd suspect that they are already looking to move Sam Gagner. His NTC kicks in this summer. Maybe that's why we saw Roman Horak get a looksee at centre.

I don't think I've seen anybody mention Kulikov here. He's risky in terms of his development and risk of flight to the KHL, but if Sam Gagner's value is as low as some of you suggest it is, then maybe that's the deal you could complete without surrendering too much.

I'll do that in a second!!!!!!

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#110 Chet134
January 02 2014, 12:48PM
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PutzStew wrote:

?????????????

This makes no sense??????

How did you end up with Weber??????

You think Nashville will just give him to you for Magic Beans?????

It makes total sense. So out of Eberle, yak, nurse, kleffbom, and Schultz, u can't get a deal done. Are u scouting for the Oilers.

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#111 PutzStew
January 02 2014, 01:08PM
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Chet134 wrote:

It makes total sense. So out of Eberle, yak, nurse, kleffbom, and Schultz, u can't get a deal done. Are u scouting for the Oilers.

No it doesn't.

This is what you wrote... "U can't trade Nug or hall. If we have a chance to draft Ekblad it's a no brainier. The kid is a stud. Imagine having weber, nurse, Ekblad, Schultz, petry, ?. Much improved D."

You did not state you where going to get Webber. You mentioned drafting Ekblad, but nothing about Webber. He just magically appeared there.

That why it makes no sense...not to mention a pipe dream.

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#112 FireKLowe
January 02 2014, 01:14PM
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How about giving Klefbom a chance on the team before packaging him up in a trade? What if he suprises everyone and ends up being a top pairing D man that we so desperately need? Give your head a shake Willis!

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#113 PutzStew
January 02 2014, 01:31PM
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A-Mc wrote:

That's likely what they would be asking for, but it's not something that would get done.

1st overall, 7th overall and likely top 3 overall, all likely to make 6m+/yr (by todays standards) for Weber? No way.

I guess I'm drinking the Koolaid, but i think at least 1 of those pieces needs to be of lower caliber than top 10 pick: ie: Ebs, Klef and our 1st.

So when making a trade, teams base the grading of potential player on their draft position.

That would mean PVR would be higher then Webber.

Just saying.

My point is that Philly was willing to give up 4 first round picks to get Webber. They even tried to sweeten the pot to get him. If he is available, what do you think they would give Nashville to get him? The only one I think they would not trade, would be Giroux.

So lets see. If I was Nashville....how about Couturier, Coburn, Voracek....picks.....prospects.....??? I don't think Philly will hold back if they have a chance to get Webber.

So my point is that you have to beat someone like Philly if you are going to win a sweepstakes for Webber, you are not going to be able to skimp. Edmonton would have to be all in to get him. Eberle, Klefbom and this years first is not all in.

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#114 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 04:25PM
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thefoz wrote:

Those same experts with higher hockey IQs than us tried to, and did, pay David Clarkson almost $7MM per annum to play hockey. David Clarkson. I'm not going to hang my hat on anything anyone of those mouthpieces who are paid to spout off has to say.

I'm no expert, far from it, but I'm fairly satisfied with my opinion about PK and how I got there. Using the same criteria, Pietrangelo is below him in almost every way.

You can't compare a free agent signing to a trade scenario. Teams over pay for free agents because they don't have to give up assets.

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#115 Wayne Reynolds
January 02 2014, 04:36PM
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The reason I find spyors quote discusting has nothing to do with whether it is true or not. It really has nothing to do with hockey. It is a cowardly comment hiding behind a pen name. I would let you wouldn't,t say that to MacT,s face

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#116 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 02 2014, 04:52PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

In light of the Gleason trade and the Phaneuf and ference signings I think it's fair to say that the position that is undergoing the highest appreciation rate is the seasoned top four defenseman. (ference isn't even a solid top four and he got paid pretty big dough for being a 4-5 player)

That teams who lack strength in said top 1-4 players are all struggling in the standings justifies the rapid inflation rate and that is exacerbated by the looming big jump in cap room.

That begets two things:

1. Getting a player of the quality EDM needs cannot be done via Free agency - no potential candidate is coming of their own free will to a team that has so many non-monetary liabilities.

2. It is going to take some stones on MacT's part to consummate a deal as he will have to give up assets and take on cap commitments that will be viewed by the vast majority of oil fans as being a massive overpay. MacT has already shown a chronic tendency to overvalue the assets he has or knows - gagner, grebs and many many others - so I doubt he is prepared to take the plunge unless its prospects like klefbom or perhaps a player who is at odds with management (yak). And the latter has happened several times before so i suspect it may happen again.

And, while there is some merit to making a move at the deadline - motivated trade partners, time during this season to acclimatize the team and get a better start next year - i think it would be a big mistake.

Like it or not tanking for the rest of the season should be the goal - sadly the only advantage to having a disastrous season - the remainder of the year. to play their way out of a top five pick - a pick that could get that high-end defenseman or some other desperately needed asset would be a silly, face-saving gesture that goes against the long-term interests of the team.

That and the fact that there will be many more options available in the off-season than there will be at the trade deadline.

I think MacT is prepared to overpay and I don't think he thinks he can afford to let any opportunity go untapped.....I believe he will be in the thick of things at the deadline in both directions....moving players out and moving players in......of course many other teams will be trying to outbid him...we'll see if the prep work he's doing now pays off or not.

It's almost certain that the majority of Oilers fans will not be happy with the overpays....but it will take an overpay to make anything significant happen in our favour.

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#117 Harry
January 02 2014, 06:45PM
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Spaceman Spiff wrote:

Um… I think you folks might be over-estimating Shea Weber’s value a tad.

There are a lot of names being thrown around and it seems like most of you think it’ll take two of Hall, Nuge, Eberle, and J-Schultz, along with Klefbom and the No. 1 pick.

But I can quote some case-law that suggests that a deal for Weber could be done for less than that. And it’s a case involving another trade the Oilers made for adefenceman.

In the summer of 2005, the Oilers traded Eric Brewer, Doug Lynch and Jeff Woywitka for a 30-year-old Chris Pronger.

The Oilers got the league’s best defenceman for a decent No.3/4 defenceman, plus two mid-level prospects.

Yes, I know – the Oilers were taking advantage of some Blues’ cap troubles. But, upon closer examination, the Blues’ troubles weren’t actually that bad.

You’ll recall that, about five minutes after trading for Pronger, the Oilers signed him to a five-year contract worth $31.5 million US ($6.25 million US annually). But what is sometimes forgotten is that, before the trade, the Blues had tendered a qualifying offer to Pronger that would have paid him $7.22 million-per. Their problem was they also made similar offers to Keith Tkachuk and Doug Weight which would have meant that three players would have eaten up almost $20 million of their cap space (at the time, the cap was $39 million).

In other words, the Blues weren’t really in “cap trouble,” but more “cap-inconvenience.” It's my opinion that they could have lived with that arrangement and probably done OK ... but I'm not a GM, and whoever was at the time obviously thought that Pronger was worth one quality NHL rearguard and two middling defensive prospects in a cap-motivated trade.

I’d argue that the Predators could be in the same boat with Weber. And, I’d take it one step further and say that the Preds have a chance to do a better “hockey deal” than the Blues did eight years ago.

Last time I checked, the Preds score at a rate of one goal a week. Eberle plus Klefbom plus the No. 1 pick should just about do it. Honestly. These are the deals that get made nowadays.

Hall plus Nuge plus Klefbom plus the No. 1 pick? Don’t be silly, people. The Oilers didn’t get that for No. 99.

Eberle/Yakupov, Klef and our 2014 1st for wither Weber or Subban. Over payment or not it would instantly make Edm much better

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#118 Jamie E
January 03 2014, 12:18AM
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I'm not an Edmonton fan but I was perusing this comment thread out of general interest.

All of you are criminally underrating Ehrhoff. His numbers in Vancouver were terrific. He was the straw that stirred the best power play in hockey. His numbers in Buffalo have been nothing short of remarkable given how horrible that team is. He is a possession, play driving monster.

Preferring Byfuglien over him is just plain wrong. And crazy and silly.

Your solution to your problem on D is a defenseman who isn't good at defence?

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#119 Neal
January 03 2014, 11:49AM
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I must say I'm astonished at how many posters do not seem to realize that it takes another GM to agree to make a trade.

And that all the other GM's are fully aware of what our players are worth. And also fully aware of the pressure Mac is under to get something done.

Mac is the carcass and the other GM's are the vultures.

Bold can turn into Stupid pretty fast. I think we should be realizing an elephant this big ain't gonna be eaten in one or two gulps...

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#120 oilerjed
January 02 2014, 10:24AM
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@ Serious Gord "Like it or not tanking for the rest of the season should be the goal - sadly the only advantage to having a disastrous season - the remainder of the year. to play their way out of a top five pick - a pick that could get that high-end defenseman or some other desperately needed asset would be a silly, face-saving gesture that goes against the long-term interests of the team."

Maybe this should read POTENTIAL high end defencemen, unless you meant that you wanted the top 5 as a trade asset.

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#121 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 11:31AM
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Ed in PV wrote:

If you put yourself in the shoes of the other team's GM, would you even take Gangner for zero? You are stuck with the $4.8 mill for another 2 years. Why would anyone do that?

Why was he signed is one of the key problems with the Oil. Can't seem to evaluate player's abilities. I think they often see "talent" as the same as a player's ability to play the game.

If they could get the same deal as they got for Omark (which might be zero) they should do it.

As the regulars here know I am no fan of Gagner the player.That being said I do believe with the right team and the right fit of players he still holds some value.Not a lot but some.Especially if you take a under performing player back. Say a defencmen in NY.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/12/21/new-york-rangers-gm-glen-sather-getting-desperate-to-make-a-deal-or-three

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#122 Ed in PV
January 02 2014, 11:37AM
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Spydyr wrote:

As the regulars here know I am no fan of Gagner the player.That being said I do believe with the right team and the right fit of players he still holds some value.Not a lot but some.Especially if you take a under performing player back. Say a defencmen in NY.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/12/21/new-york-rangers-gm-glen-sather-getting-desperate-to-make-a-deal-or-three

OK, you've convinced me. If you are trading a problem for a problem then something might be doable.

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#123 Stack Pad Save
January 02 2014, 11:55AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Don't think that works for the Coyotes.

I doubt the coyotes would do a straight across deal of Yak for Yandle.

You would have to give up something considerable plus Yak to get Yandle.

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#124 A-Mc
January 02 2014, 12:11PM
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PutzStew wrote:

I only read a few comments but that was enough.

Eberle, Prospect and Pick will not get you Weber. Thats not even up for debate.

Don't forget there would be 29 teams in on the bidding. One of those would have to be Philly too. What do you think they would give up to get him.

So if if I was Nashville, I would be asking Hall/RNH, Nurse and this years 1st for Weber.

If you think different then keep drinking the Koolaid. At then least you will have an excuse for not having a clue.

That's likely what they would be asking for, but it's not something that would get done.

1st overall, 7th overall and likely top 3 overall, all likely to make 6m+/yr (by todays standards) for Weber? No way.

I guess I'm drinking the Koolaid, but i think at least 1 of those pieces needs to be of lower caliber than top 10 pick: ie: Ebs, Klef and our 1st.

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#125 Lochenzo
January 02 2014, 12:36PM
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PutzStew wrote:

What is wrong with you people?????

Why would Colorado trade O'Reilly for anything with Hemsky, Gagner or Jones???

Do you really think that Colorado couldn't find a better deal then anything with one of those player in it?

Have you looked at Colorado's center depth??? They have to gray Centers already. Hemsky and Jones are UFA's so why would they want to trade them.

Seriously what are you people drinking???

O'Reilly might be available given his insane contract. To qualify him, you need to offer him more money than what he's making this year, which is like $6 million or something. If the Avs don't qualify him, he becomes an UFA. Maybe they move MacKinnon to centre to replace O'Reilly. Maybe Gagner is a good winger to play in their top 6.

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#126 thefoz
January 02 2014, 03:18PM
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@Spydyr

Yeah it certainly might be - but it being an overpay doesn't necessarily mean it's not what the market is for that player. You think Eberle+1st would get it done?

I'd be inclined to agree that a lesser deal could be found if the Oilers were willing to wait until Subban's contract situation potentially deteriorated, but I think this is a package that would be hard to turn down and would make the Oilers significantly better immediately, and for the next 10 years.

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#127 thefoz
January 02 2014, 04:06PM
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@Spydyr

To be honest, I don't watch enough of either player to make a truly informed opinion, but by the numbers Subban is more impressive in all three game states, and the MTL blog circuit has pretty much nothing but heaping praise for him while casting aside opinions about his character as being uninformed.

I'm not saying you are, but that narrative just doesn't seem to jive with what smarter people than me usually say about him. What kind of stuff have you seen/read that makes you think that way about him anyway?

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#128 thefoz
January 02 2014, 04:27PM
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@Spydyr

Not my intent to compare anything, but to provide an example of how 'smart' these so-called 'experts' can be sometimes.

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#129 Harry
January 02 2014, 10:35PM
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A-Mc wrote:

You're blurring the lines between the different perspectives on the team.

From the Players perspective, you're right, losing CAN'T be the mandate. But from the GM's perspective (Serious Gord's position) getting the highest draft pick possible is best if you're going to suck anyway.

You're using insulting words by calling him a complete idiot and then you're arguing a position that is from a perspective NOT related to personnel acquisition.

The Subject matter of the original article suggests that we are to put our GM thinking caps on so please drop the crap about player mentality.

If you.are a gm whos team has finished in the bottom of the standings 5years running and your still.saying we should lose more and more and more that is what constitutes a complete idiot.

Arent you sick of losing?

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#130 Ryan Smyth's Old Wooden Stick
January 03 2014, 06:14AM
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Since we're throwing around trade ideas, this one just may be crazy enough to work! Call up Glen Sather and send him Gagner along with a DVD of his 8 point game, Nick Schultz and one of our prospects and we get back Brad Richards and one of their young defenseman (DelZotto maybe). We keep half of Gagner's and Schultz's salary this year, the Rangers keep half of Richard's this year.

Rangers need cap space this year and going forward, get a 2C back, a UFA defenseman to replace who they traded and a prospect to even things out. We get a good defensive centre to teach the kids the 200 foot game that has some offense, an upgrade on defense moving the puck and take some salary cap crunch off the Rangers and save them a buyout.

Thoughts?

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#131 Zarny
January 04 2014, 12:46AM
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It's not counter-intuitive at all.

We've seen the problems with the young F's all playing together. Adding 3 rookies (Klefbom, Marincin, Nurse) to a group including Petry (195 games) and J. Schultz (83 games) is a recipe for disaster.

The LA Kings traded Schenn for Richards. That's the way MacT has to think.

Klefbom and Marincin - Keep one and trade the other. I'd prefer to trade Marincin but Klefbom has more value. Regardless, when Nurse is ready MacT should probably look at trading whoever is left between Klefbom and Marincin too.

Petry, Schultz and Nurse are all the young D the Oilers need. 2-3 of the remaining D prospects should be moved to fill the holes on the roster.

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#132 Wohin gehst du?
January 02 2014, 11:07AM
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How does Slepyshev affect the future of this team, JW?

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#133 Serious Gord
January 02 2014, 11:16AM
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oilerjed wrote:

@ Serious Gord "Like it or not tanking for the rest of the season should be the goal - sadly the only advantage to having a disastrous season - the remainder of the year. to play their way out of a top five pick - a pick that could get that high-end defenseman or some other desperately needed asset would be a silly, face-saving gesture that goes against the long-term interests of the team."

Maybe this should read POTENTIAL high end defencemen, unless you meant that you wanted the top 5 as a trade asset.

Yes I'm implying that the pick be traded.

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#134 Quintana
January 02 2014, 11:48AM
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I wonder what de Coyotes would want for Yandle? or Sammuelson? Would something like Snowpants plus Yak going to Arizona for Yandle, Murphy and Sammuelson work?

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#135 oilerjed
January 02 2014, 12:10PM
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Umm isnt there an unofficial rule about the whole ebberway trade thing.

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#136 oilerjed
January 02 2014, 12:10PM
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Anyone have any thoughts on Yakimov?

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#137 Lochenzo
January 02 2014, 12:28PM
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Offer sheet Subban and surrender 4 1st round picks.

I mean, what are the chances that the Oilers finish out of the playoffs next year and win the Connor McDavid sweepstakes?!?!?

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#138 RexHolez
January 02 2014, 12:40PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Yak said he would not report back to junior if he was not playing here he was going to the KHL.

You don't think Yak could of used some time learning the pro game?One more year of junior then the AHL would of helped with that.

It sure hurt Modano eh.If he needed seasoning he needed seasoning does not matter where he was drafted.

I think letting Yak play his game would help too

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#139 DoubleJ
January 02 2014, 12:53PM
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I'm all over getting a better d instantly. I also think Klefbom has been over hyped from day one. So I have no problems using him to get one.

I do think the oilers will get a better dman at the draft. I keep saying Yandle is the guy. Phoenix is loaded on d, but there's no way hey're going to give him up this season.

The Oilers have the forwards to make this move. Plus Yandle is the best dman that could be available.

So as much as I hate not having a better d. we would get a better dman in the offseason.

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#140 chuck biscuits
January 02 2014, 02:09PM
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Hi cynic!!!!

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#141 Ryan2
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A-Mc wrote:

Sorry, you weren't going to get a #1/2 Dman for Magnus PRV.

If anyone was given the option of trading PRV for a #1/2 Dman OR Perron, it's a no brainer to take the Dman. That option wasn't presented because there's no way PRV was part of a trade for that calibre of player.

Perron was a steal and we were lucky to get that. The only reason we did was because of STL's money situation.

Sorry if it sounded that way, but I did not mean to insinuate that MPS would get us a #1/#2. He is worth a #5 at best alone. No one is giving us a #1 unless Hall, Ebs or Nuge are in the mix.

What I was trying to say is that he was a an expendable asset and trading chip of value that could have been used in a package to land one. Instead, MacT wasted one of the few tradeable assets with value that he had for a player that does not noticeably improve the team.

Perron can score and plays with a bit of an edge (he picks his spots), but his skill set is redundant. As a second line forward his ability to make the team better is limited (his defensive lapses are common as well which is why Hitchcock was eager to deal him), but a true #2 d-man, let alone a #1, would have. Now, if MacT had sweetened the pot with MPS + pick (2nd or 3rd round)/prospect and taken a top 4 d-man in return from St. Louis then it would have been a good trade.

Building a team means filling all the holes in your roster, not just trading for the BPA with a redundant skill set. MacT won the Perron for MPS trade in the short term, but it did not improve the team as much as #2 d-man would have. Maybe he can package Perron + young gun + pick(s)/prospect(s) into a #1 or #2, but if not then it was a waste of an asset (just like Smid for a 6th round pick to clear phantom cap space.......).

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#142 Rod from Viking
January 02 2014, 04:14PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Hedican.

I'm mostly just kidding but felt it had to be said.

That's a good one, plus Mike Commodore, Aron Ward and an aging Glen Wesley, Cam Ward made up for their average defense. Johnathan, if he isn't traded for Weber, Subban or Duncan Keith by the deadline won't Klefbom be called up to replace a traded veteran like Nick Schultz and the team and fans will get a good look at him.

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#143 15w40
January 02 2014, 04:16PM
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Eberle & the 2014 1st should be enough to get the conversation started on Weber. Right now I don't think there is any urgency to get anything done before the draft - the playoffs are gone.

I still believe the preference is to try and get Yakupov to play good hockey and trade him not Eberle.

Nashville may not want to go down that road with a Russian player again though. Weber is a long shot to complete a transaction I think but I think Poile would listen.

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#144 thefoz
January 02 2014, 04:21PM
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@Spydyr

Those same experts with higher hockey IQs than us tried to, and did, pay David Clarkson almost $7MM per annum to play hockey. David Clarkson. I'm not going to hang my hat on anything anyone of those mouthpieces who are paid to spout off has to say.

I'm no expert, far from it, but I'm fairly satisfied with my opinion about PK and how I got there. Using the same criteria, Pietrangelo is below him in almost every way.

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#145 Dangilitis
January 02 2014, 05:02PM
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Who would you package with Klefbom, Jonathan? Nick Schultz? Or would you throw in more D prospects (we have a lot of them)?

And who would you target?

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#146 voom04
January 02 2014, 09:46PM
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its like the phil colins song throwin it all away, just start getting the team close to respectability and everybody wants to throw it all away!! go figure

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#147 pelhem grenville
January 02 2014, 09:50PM
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Rick Stroppel wrote:

MACTAVISH THE RIVERBOAT GAMBLER

I would love to play cards with MacTavish. He would probably say things like "this hand is crappy, I am probably going to fold" or "man, this is a great hand, you would be foolish to bet against me!".

Consider his recent statements. "We are getting rid of Horcoff and Hemsky, we don't want them anymore". That is like going to the used car lot and saying "this car of mine is a piece of junk, I would take anything if you would just take it off my hands".

Or "we are building around a core of 8 or 9 or 10 players". Oh yeah? Are Dubnyk, Justin Schultz and Gagner on that 'protected list'? The 'for sale' should be hung (privately) on every player except Hall and RNH.

And "we will probably trade our first round pick, no matter how high it is". Wouldn't it be better to say "this is a fantastic draft year, if anyone wants that pick they better come with a very special offer". If MacTavish was an NFL GM, I think he would have made Tim Tebow the number one overall pick.

Seriously. This team is at a crossroads, BIG TIME. The next big trade may be the the most important one of the last 25 years. For the sake of the team, I hope he gets it right.

...dammit man who's in the trade?!!!

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#148 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 10:15PM
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Wayne Reynolds wrote:

The reason I find spyors quote discusting has nothing to do with whether it is true or not. It really has nothing to do with hockey. It is a cowardly comment hiding behind a pen name. I would let you wouldn't,t say that to MacT,s face

First off look up how to copy and paste.That way you can spell peoples handles properly.

Second off you know nothing about me.

Third off the comment was brought up in context to Sather taking chances on reclamation projects.That has to do with hockey.

Finally your quote "I would let you wouldn't,t say that to MacT,s face"

I believe you mean I bet you wouldn't say that to Mac-T's face.

I would not unless it came up in the conversation.Say like talking about second chances.One would hope he wishes he could change that day and thinks about it often.

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#149 john
January 03 2014, 02:03AM
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Why everybody want Weber so much? Nashville is not in a playoff spot with Weber on the team, having a good Dman but the rest of the team don't play defense will not win you games. With Pronger we didn't win game 7 of Cup Finals in 2006. Stop being stupid and wake up all of you. This team will get better just be patient and bring in some bigger players in. An experienced coach will do too, instead of this AHL coach in training.

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#150 Rdubb
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Question for you Gregor; We (Oiler fans & media alike) run down the Oilers defense, almost daily these days, so why doesn't MacT bring up more of these guys from OKC and see what they can do in the NHL? Some guys who are average minor leaguers, to above average minor leaguers can turn out to be very good guys @ the top level of their profession. Look @ Nascar for one, Jimmy Johnson was less than an average driver in the Nationwide series but turned out to be the greatest driver of this generation in Nascars main series. I am also positive that you could find SEVERAL NHL'ers who are in the same boat (the only problem is that I cannot think of any off hand, mostly because I have never really followed the AHL, sorry, & I do not really know how to find these stats so quickly to put into here), & for a guy who follows the AHL like yourself, you most likely can put some names in here... So, why not give 2 or 3 or even 4 of these a chance, perhaps all @ once and see how they do. They few times some of them have been called up they have done extremely well in their game or two stint, so let's give them an extended look. The season's a loss anyway, so why not see what we have coming up? Greb's (although in OKC last I knew), Belov, N.Schultz can all sit, as should J.Schultz for all his costly turnovers and mistakes, it'd do him some good to sit & watch for a while anyway. Even Petry could take a seat for a game or two. Really, Ference is the only guy who we cannot afford to sit @ this time... What are your thoughts Gregor?

Peck

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