Oscar Klefbom might be most valuable to the Edmonton Oilers as a trade chip

Jonathan Willis
January 02 2014 08:24AM

It sounds decidedly counterintuitive. The Oilers need defencemen, so why would they trade a big 20-year-old blue-liner with a range of skills just as he’s learning the North American professional game?

There are reasons why it may make sense.

Availability

The simple fact is that Edmonton desperately needs at least one top-pairing calibre defenceman. The modern incarnation of Chris Pronger would be the dream here, which is why Shea Weber’s name never dies, but that may not be possible and if it isn’t Edmonton has to fill the void somehow.

The names that might be available on the trade market are generally some distance south of Weber. Players like Christian Ehrhoff and Brian Campbell and Dustin Byfuglien are the ones people speculate about; good, useful defenders either underrated by their current teams or playing out the string on a roster miles away from contending.

All of those guys have some warts, but all of them would represent a massive upgrade for an Edmonton team leaning on the trio of Jeff Petry, Andrew Ference and Justin Schultz. If MacTavish can’t bring in a Pronger, he needs to find at least a Boris Mironov or Janne Niinimaa or Roman Hamrlik. And given the meagre free agent pickings available, odds are good he’ll have to do it via trade.

Perfect Storm

In this hypothetical trade for a good defenceman, Edmonton needs a package of certain quality to trade. It has to be good enough to get the other team interested. It has to be non-vital enough that it isn’t going to crush the team to lose it. And finally it needs to be fair value for the Oilers, a team that needs to put meat on the table for every shot they fire.

The 2014 first round draft pick might have fit those bills, but at this point the Oilers would need eight more points than they have just to get outside the top-five of the draft. It’s still a moveable piece, but the return on it needs to be something bigger than Mironov or Niinimaa and those returns are hard to land.

Some of the young forwards (Taylor Hall and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins) are too vital to make the list; the others (Jordan Eberle and Nail Yakupov) fall into the same boat as that 2014 pick, where the guy coming the other way needs to be a lot bigger than he’s likely to be. Sam Gagner’s tradable but opens up an ugly hole at centre, and the only plausible internal replacement has all of 32 career games under his belt.

What about Darnell Nurse? Team Canada may not be in love with him but he’s a 6’4” 18-year-old with a mean streak and a near point-per-game scoring run under his belt in junior this year. He’s not going to be good enough soon enough to plug the hole on defence himself, but he’s Edmonton’s best prospect by a country mile and a perfect fit for long-term need.

Which is where Klefbom comes in. He’s a good player, with that nice blend of skills and a combination of size and speed that’s awfully hard to find. He was a first round draft pick. So he has value. But at the same time, he’s also 27 games into his AHL career, 20 years old and a guy who barely played last season; he isn’t going to fix Edmonton’s blue line problems any time soon. He can move the puck but his offensive ability has a definite ceiling; he might evolve into a very, very good shutdown guy but that’s years away and not impossible to find. He’s a left-shooting defenceman on a team with Nurse, Martin Marincin, Martin Gernat, Brandon Davidson and Dillon Simpson, so the Oilers have both quality and depth at the position.

Put it all together and it’s hard not to wonder if Klefbom is moved at some point. He has enough value to be the key asset in return for a good NHL player, much like he was when Edmonton moved Dustin Penner out. His absence doesn’t hurt the Oilers now, and they have a wealth of prospects at the position. And while an excellent prospect he’s not the kind of player likely to embarrass the team by winning a Norris Trophy five years down the road.

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#1 mr common sense
January 02 2014, 11:01AM
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I think Buffalo would take Gagner for Steve Ott straight and if Im MacT, I do that in 1.5 seconds. Ott, a ufa, becomes the C to monitor Thornton, Getz and the other big C's in our division.

Next, do whatever the heck is necessary to land Webber, I think Eberle/Klefbom will do it.

Once you have Webber, then I honestly think we use J. Schultz as an asset to move out for a golden C....im thinking, J. Shultz/Alice/#2 for Coutourier/Simmonds

so we have added:

Ott, Webber, Coutourier and Simmonds and we delete gagner, alice, eberle, kelfbom....now that is frickin bold and our team is meteorically better.

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#2 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 08:42AM
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Everyone not named Hall or Nuge should be on the table. As long as you get a equal return and fill one of the many needs on the team.

You have to give up quality to get quality.

~Besides Omark was traded so him and Gagner can no longer get you Weber.~

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#3 oilerjed
January 02 2014, 10:30AM
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@Ed in PV

With repect to Gags I would have to disagree. I think most GMs would see it for what it is. A solid offensive contributer having a miserable year on both defense and offense. I wouldnt put too much stock in the idea that Gagner is a worthless asset.

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#4 Sisyphus
January 02 2014, 01:06PM
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This is totally off topic, BUT....

Does anyone else wonder, just a little, if maybe Gagner isn't playing so terribly this season on purpose? He's always been thrown up as trade bait, and once he got his NTC for next season..

Maybe he realized that since he apparently wants to stay in Edmonton, the only way to really be sure he wasn't getting shipped out of town before his NTC kicked in, was to tank his value. The injury helped, for sure, but he's been playing far below form for even him

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#5 Cynic
January 02 2014, 10:10AM
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Is it glue-sniffing season already in Edmonton? Who'd be breaking down the doors for a Dman who can't stay healthy and has 10 career points in (far) lesser leagues? The NHL's competent GMs are not eager to relieve The Mickey Mouse Club of its draft mistakes. Or is somebody going to point out that Klefbom's corgis in close against tough Fenwicks on 5x5 zone starts are more important than his "counting numbers"?

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#6 PutzStew
January 02 2014, 12:04PM
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I only read a few comments but that was enough.

Eberle, Prospect and Pick will not get you Weber. Thats not even up for debate.

Don't forget there would be 29 teams in on the bidding. One of those would have to be Philly too. What do you think they would give up to get him.

So if if I was Nashville, I would be asking Hall/RNH, Nurse and this years 1st for Weber.

If you think different then keep drinking the Koolaid. At then least you will have an excuse for not having a clue.

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#7 Sal-Sational
January 02 2014, 11:14AM
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With his contract @ $6M i think Jordan Eberle should be the kid used as trade Bait. Sam Gagner Needs to go but the problem is he's got no trade Value.

These are the Guys id Try to Target Next summer:

Centers Joe Thorton 34(2nd Line Center), David Bolland 27 (2nd Line Center)Boyle Brian 29(4th Line Center)

Defencemen: Dan Girardi 29 making around $3.5M Andrej Meszaros 28 making $4.00M Andrei Markov 35 making 5.75M

LW: Dustin Penner 31 making $2M Matt Moulson 30 Making $3.3M

RW: Ryan Callahan 28 Making $4.275M Jarome Iginla 36 Making $6M

Goalies: Jaroslav Halak, 28 making $3.7M Jonas Hiller, 31 Making $4.5M Ryan Miller , 33 Making $6.250M (but he wouldnt sign here)

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#8 thefoz
January 02 2014, 03:03PM
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So what do you guys think a reasonable return for a package like this:

Eberle+Klefbom+2014 1st (with best shot at either of Ekblad or Reinhart or whoever else they're pimping by then)

I would think that could form the basis of a deal that might land a player of Subban's calibre. I love me some Shea Weber, but I would be targeting Subban before him given his current contract situation, his insane talent, and his age.

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#9 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 08:39AM
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"Sam Gagner’s tradable but opens up an ugly hole at centre,"

Acro can fill that hole short term until the summer.It is not like they are going to make the playoffs.

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#10 Serious Gord
January 02 2014, 09:46AM
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In light of the Gleason trade and the Phaneuf and ference signings I think it's fair to say that the position that is undergoing the highest appreciation rate is the seasoned top four defenseman. (ference isn't even a solid top four and he got paid pretty big dough for being a 4-5 player)

That teams who lack strength in said top 1-4 players are all struggling in the standings justifies the rapid inflation rate and that is exacerbated by the looming big jump in cap room.

That begets two things:

1. Getting a player of the quality EDM needs cannot be done via Free agency - no potential candidate is coming of their own free will to a team that has so many non-monetary liabilities.

2. It is going to take some stones on MacT's part to consummate a deal as he will have to give up assets and take on cap commitments that will be viewed by the vast majority of oil fans as being a massive overpay. MacT has already shown a chronic tendency to overvalue the assets he has or knows - gagner, grebs and many many others - so I doubt he is prepared to take the plunge unless its prospects like klefbom or perhaps a player who is at odds with management (yak). And the latter has happened several times before so i suspect it may happen again.

And, while there is some merit to making a move at the deadline - motivated trade partners, time during this season to acclimatize the team and get a better start next year - i think it would be a big mistake.

Like it or not tanking for the rest of the season should be the goal - sadly the only advantage to having a disastrous season - the remainder of the year. to play their way out of a top five pick - a pick that could get that high-end defenseman or some other desperately needed asset would be a silly, face-saving gesture that goes against the long-term interests of the team.

That and the fact that there will be many more options available in the off-season than there will be at the trade deadline.

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#11 Chet134
January 02 2014, 10:28AM
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U can't trade Nug or hall. If we have a chance to draft Ekblad it's a no brainier. The kid is a stud. Imagine having weber, nurse, Ekblad, Schultz, petry, ?. Much improved D.

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#12 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 11:41AM
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Ed in PV wrote:

OK, you've convinced me. If you are trading a problem for a problem then something might be doable.

Well your not getting Weber for Gagner and Klefbom. Of course your going to get what he is worth and we can both agree that is not much.

Sather loves lost causes.He even took a chance on someone straight out of prison once.Tell me what ever became of him.Oh wait.

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#13 The Soup Fascist
January 02 2014, 10:48AM
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John Chambers wrote:

Byfuglien is the guy I would target instead of Ehrhoff because he has both offensive abilities as well as size and nastiness that this team hasn't had since Souray.

Although Ehrhoff's contract is a bargain, and worth trading for in and of itself.

With the new liberal cannabis laws in Colorado which came into effect January 1st, expect 'ol Dusty to end up with the Avs in the not too distant future.

Byfuglien's list of teams in a limited NTC: Colorado Avs, Seattle (upon being granted a expansion team) and Jamaica.

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#14 Harry
January 02 2014, 11:15AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

In light of the Gleason trade and the Phaneuf and ference signings I think it's fair to say that the position that is undergoing the highest appreciation rate is the seasoned top four defenseman. (ference isn't even a solid top four and he got paid pretty big dough for being a 4-5 player)

That teams who lack strength in said top 1-4 players are all struggling in the standings justifies the rapid inflation rate and that is exacerbated by the looming big jump in cap room.

That begets two things:

1. Getting a player of the quality EDM needs cannot be done via Free agency - no potential candidate is coming of their own free will to a team that has so many non-monetary liabilities.

2. It is going to take some stones on MacT's part to consummate a deal as he will have to give up assets and take on cap commitments that will be viewed by the vast majority of oil fans as being a massive overpay. MacT has already shown a chronic tendency to overvalue the assets he has or knows - gagner, grebs and many many others - so I doubt he is prepared to take the plunge unless its prospects like klefbom or perhaps a player who is at odds with management (yak). And the latter has happened several times before so i suspect it may happen again.

And, while there is some merit to making a move at the deadline - motivated trade partners, time during this season to acclimatize the team and get a better start next year - i think it would be a big mistake.

Like it or not tanking for the rest of the season should be the goal - sadly the only advantage to having a disastrous season - the remainder of the year. to play their way out of a top five pick - a pick that could get that high-end defenseman or some other desperately needed asset would be a silly, face-saving gesture that goes against the long-term interests of the team.

That and the fact that there will be many more options available in the off-season than there will be at the trade deadline.

Your a complete idiot.

You think these guys need MORE losing!? Tanking on purpose for the sake of a draft pick is 100% loser talk. Try and tell the to Hall or Eakins.

Further more you say Mac's signings have been questionable. How good are Hall and RNH and hopefully Ebs going to look at 6 mil when the cap is approaching 80mill in 3-4 years?

I dont fully put the blame on yourself however for this assinine opinion. Years of bad management and losing clouds people judgement.

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#15 Harry
January 02 2014, 11:17AM
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EHH Team wrote:

You're dreaming if you think Nashville moves Webber for Eberle & Klefbom

Eberle, Klefbom, J Shultz and our 2014 1st.

If that trade is on the table id do it in a second.

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#16 Serious Gord
January 02 2014, 11:26AM
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Harry wrote:

Your a complete idiot.

You think these guys need MORE losing!? Tanking on purpose for the sake of a draft pick is 100% loser talk. Try and tell the to Hall or Eakins.

Further more you say Mac's signings have been questionable. How good are Hall and RNH and hopefully Ebs going to look at 6 mil when the cap is approaching 80mill in 3-4 years?

I dont fully put the blame on yourself however for this assinine opinion. Years of bad management and losing clouds people judgement.

Let me clarify a bit. As the team is currently constituted there is almost no chance they will finish out of the bottom five. It would be more likely that they finish worse (30th) than they are now as buffalo seems to be getting a bit better and is playing most of its games against the east whereas EDM will be getting its teeth kicked in most games against the western powerhouses.

Thus making significant additions - improvements - is pointless and risky. Better to stand pat and see what the current group can do and not give Eakins any excuse to avoid being fired for continued incompetency.

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#17 Lochenzo
January 02 2014, 12:28PM
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Offer sheet Subban and surrender 4 1st round picks.

I mean, what are the chances that the Oilers finish out of the playoffs next year and win the Connor McDavid sweepstakes?!?!?

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#18 PutzStew
January 02 2014, 01:50PM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

Weber aside, what makes you think a player like Hall or RNH needs to be moved to get a #1 defenseman?

They have been traded before, so why don't you take a second and look at what high end defenseman usually go for.

hint: It is NEVER players like Hall and RNH.

I agree that Weber is likely not on the table right now, but your apparent belief that everyone else is an idiot because they don't think it will cost Hall to get a top shelf defenseman is absurd.

The conversation does not involving a # 1 dman, it is involving Webber and Webber's value is going to be much higher then most number one Dmen.

Thinking you could steal Webber for anything less then one of Hall or RNH is absurd.

And no I don't think everyone is an idiot, just people thinking they are going to win a sweepstakes for Webber, using bit parts. If you read the comments I'm not the only one that thinks so.

Here something fun. Fnd some Nashville blog sites and offer them Eberle, Klefbom and this years first for Webber.

Let me know how you make out.

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#19 Stack Pad Save
January 02 2014, 08:59AM
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There already is an ugly hole at 2nd line centre in the Oilers Organization. There has been a hole in that position since Mark Messier left the organization.

But Oilers management in their infinite wisdom don't recognize or can't fill the 3 holes they have had for the last 10 years. No top defenseman (except when Pronger was around), No size with skill upfront and no second line centre.

I wish this Bold move would hurry up and already happen.

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#20 Dman09
January 02 2014, 09:05AM
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I wouldn't be opposed to trading him. The simple fact is that Mac will need to cough something up to get a good player and considering whats in the pipe on Defense I would imagine Klefbom or Gernat would be the likely moves out but Klefbom has more value. I would vote for a Dustin Byfuglien trade as I think he brings a lot of things this team needs including some attitude, he has a Cup under his belt and is still 28. His conditioning might be an issue but I'm sure Eakins can take care of that.

So JW what do you think it would take in a trade the get Dustin Byfuglien?

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#21 Ryan2
January 02 2014, 10:52AM
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oilerjed wrote:

With repect to Gags I would have to disagree. I think most GMs would see it for what it is. A solid offensive contributer having a miserable year on both defense and offense. I wouldnt put too much stock in the idea that Gagner is a worthless asset.

At that contract number he is a worthless asset. MacT overpaid for him last summer and now he is dead weight in any trade.

Add in the fact that he has offensive skill, but has always been defensively clueless, is small, and an average skater at best, and he has little to no value to another team.

The smart move last year would have been to qualify him and then let him test the RFA market. If another team signed him, take the 1st round pick (or picks if someone overpaid) and go away laughing.

Like I said when the deal was done, the smarter move would have been dealing Gagner instead of Colgiano.......

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#22 Rama Lama
January 02 2014, 11:44AM
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Webber would be nice to add to our team but come on people check out Nashville? Last time I checked the standings having Webber on their team has not really done much for their team.

I would say that within a year Seth Jones will be the talk of the town there and Webber a aging talent. I for one would not give up what will be demanded for Webber and I would be more inclined to find a a defensive/shutdown hard hitting defenceman. This is what we need and IMHO, webber is a little over rated at this juncture of his career.

Mac T has some difficult decisions to make but giving up a shot at a player like Ekblad is nothing short of myopic madness!! Maybe trade Oscar Klefblom for another first round draft pick, so that we have some chips to use for the upcoming draft?

I think in short order Mac T will need to concentrate his energies on finding another goaltender and coach.

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#23 Stack Pad Save
January 02 2014, 11:55AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Don't think that works for the Coyotes.

I doubt the coyotes would do a straight across deal of Yak for Yandle.

You would have to give up something considerable plus Yak to get Yandle.

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#24 The Soup Fascist
January 02 2014, 09:40AM
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".... an Edmonton team leaning on the trio of Jeff Petry, Andrew Ference and Justin Schultz".

With these three guys chomping up the tough minutes as effortlessly as they are, it is easy to see why Smid was expendable ....

The Oilers are at least two QUALITY defensemen away from being adequate. If a borderline #1 like Dion Phaneuf costs $49 million a year over 7 years ..... what is a free agent going to cost this summer - assuming you can convince an impact guy to sign here? A big trade with one of the kids or waiting and hoping for a Nurse, Klefbom et al to become serviceable appear to be the only options. Neither option (trading a kid / waiting) is particularly attractive.

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#25 Serious Gord
January 02 2014, 11:18AM
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oilerjed wrote:

With repect to Gags I would have to disagree. I think most GMs would see it for what it is. A solid offensive contributer having a miserable year on both defense and offense. I wouldnt put too much stock in the idea that Gagner is a worthless asset.

Gagner is not worth what he's is contracted to be paid. Thus he is worthless at best and more likely a negative asset.

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#26 Ed in PV
January 02 2014, 11:20AM
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Spydyr wrote:

But, but he scored eight points in a game once.

All kidding aside anyone is tradable and GM's value draft postilion and youth.

The bigger concern to me is why was Gagner signed to that contract in the first place.Including a partial no trade clause.Easy answer is yes management here is that bad.It is mind numbing the incompetence of this management group.

It is better to trade him for whatever you can get between now and the trade deadline then to buy him out for no return this summer.

The sad,scary part is it looks like management here still believe he is part of the solution not part of the problem.

His game and the teams record states otherwise.

If you put yourself in the shoes of the other team's GM, would you even take Gangner for zero? You are stuck with the $4.8 mill for another 2 years. Why would anyone do that?

Why was he signed is one of the key problems with the Oil. Can't seem to evaluate player's abilities. I think they often see "talent" as the same as a player's ability to play the game.

If they could get the same deal as they got for Omark (which might be zero) they should do it.

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#27 Ryan2
January 02 2014, 11:24AM
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@ Jonathan Willis - Rushing a deal with any of the young d-men right now would be a mistake. The Oilers are dealing from a serious position of weakness. Klefbom's value is likely at its lowest - if they were going to deal him it should have been at the beginning of last season (pre-injury) when every team was high on him. Now that his warts are showing as he learns the North American game, and coming off an injury, his value is diminished. They need to let him correct them in OKC and make up for the development season he lost before looking at dealing him IMHO.

Besides, a #1 d-man will not fix a roster with this many holes. It will take at least two seasons to do that.

Right now the smarter approach would be to let Klefbom, Marincin, Gernat et. al develop further before dealing them. This team lacks NHL calibre blueline depth, and the only way to get that cost effectively is to draft and develop. Where did pairings like Weber and Suter or Seabrook and Keith come from? Drafting and developing. The problem is that it takes time to do so. Fans need to accept that the supporting player cupboard was so bare due to inept drafting/development and/or letting valuable NHLers go due to GM/coaches' favoritism (how would Greene, Brodziak, Cogliano, etc. look on the team now?).

As I have been saying since the deal was done, wasting the one young forward with size and value at the end of last year in a deal for Perron instead of for a #1 or #2 d-man was a mistake. Regardless of how many points Perron scores against weak competition (notice how he does not do as well against bigger teams?), he does not improve the team anywhere near as much as a #1 or #2 d-man would have. The fact that MacT wasted the one expendable young forward with value at the end of the season speaks volumes about his ability to identify and address needs as a GM, as well as assess and value talent (the overpays for Ference and Gagner being exhibits B and C).

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#28 Wayne Reynolds
January 02 2014, 12:47PM
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The quote regarding Sather hiring someone out of prison is the most discusting piece I have read on this site. Bringing up a regrettable incident from over thirty years ago is classless and ignorant. This should not exemplifily an Oiler fan #57 please go cheer for Calgary.

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#29 PutzStew
January 02 2014, 01:02PM
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Harry wrote:

Eberle, Klefbom, J Shultz and our 2014 1st.

If that trade is on the table id do it in a second.

Sigh.....

Ok Start with Hall or RNH....

Add a Nurse.....or maybe a Klefbom...

Probably a first rounder....I would want 2014 myself...maybe both 2013 and 2014....

and you might need to include a second rounder...maybe Yak....or Ebs...Gagner...Petry....who knows....

Just think "What would Philly give up for Webber?".....Or NYR?.....San Jose?....Etc......Now you have to beat that.

Eberle is a decent player but not impact enough to be the major part of the trade. Shultz...Same, but worse. Klefbom. He's not even an impact in the AHL and has barely played in the past two seasons. And this years first isn't going to be worth that much, unless it is #1 or #2.

Before you folks make these silly proposals please stop and try to imagine yourself as a fan of the other team....I know it may be hard because no other team has sucked as bad as the Oilers in a really long time....but think to yourself "Would I be willing to accept those Oilers Players in return for this player?"

This line of thinking will make a few of you look much more knowledgeable than you are causing yourselves to look.

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#30 FireKLowe
January 02 2014, 01:14PM
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How about giving Klefbom a chance on the team before packaging him up in a trade? What if he suprises everyone and ends up being a top pairing D man that we so desperately need? Give your head a shake Willis!

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#31 Serious Gord
January 02 2014, 01:52PM
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Wayne Reynolds wrote:

The quote regarding Sather hiring someone out of prison is the most discusting piece I have read on this site. Bringing up a regrettable incident from over thirty years ago is classless and ignorant. This should not exemplifily an Oiler fan #57 please go cheer for Calgary.

Why is it disgusting? It is 100% true. And it is a credit to both Sather and MacT what happened because Sather took a chance and MacT made the most of it - the number of people who are convicted and jailed for vehicular homicide and actually make something of their lives is very very few.

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#32 Walter Sobchak
January 02 2014, 02:14PM
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If I'm MacTavish Weber is really the only player I move at.

Weber instantly makes the defence better as a group & the Oilers players better. I doubt Campbell or Ehrhof would have the same effect overall on a team.

Both Ehrhof & Campbell are ultra butter soft payers who on good teams are 2-3 D-players much like Campbell in Chicago & Ehrhof in Vancouver, this doesn't help the Oilers.

The Oilers need to get bigger, meaner & better.

The Oilers need Weber almost as much for an identity as they need him to anchor a brutal defence & play 27 a night.

The other is term, whether you hate it or not Weber is locked up for a long time, his salary in three years won't look as bad as it does to some people now.

To me getting any other defensemen is just getting more of the same.

It's the intangible's that Weber brings that very few other can match, the respect he is given on the PP open up plays all over the ice. His aggressive play in the front is exactly what this team lacks, his PK work & ability to shut other teams top players down on a poor team.

I hate to speculate what it would take to get Weber, it might be high? It might be right down the Pronger type deal?

One thing is for certain, with J.Schultz you don't need another Ehrhof or Campbell

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#33 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 03:06PM
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thefoz wrote:

So what do you guys think a reasonable return for a package like this:

Eberle+Klefbom+2014 1st (with best shot at either of Ekblad or Reinhart or whoever else they're pimping by then)

I would think that could form the basis of a deal that might land a player of Subban's calibre. I love me some Shea Weber, but I would be targeting Subban before him given his current contract situation, his insane talent, and his age.

That is an over pay for Subban.

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#34 Wayne Reynolds
January 02 2014, 04:36PM
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The reason I find spyors quote discusting has nothing to do with whether it is true or not. It really has nothing to do with hockey. It is a cowardly comment hiding behind a pen name. I would let you wouldn't,t say that to MacT,s face

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#35 Harry
January 02 2014, 06:45PM
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Um… I think you folks might be over-estimating Shea Weber’s value a tad.

There are a lot of names being thrown around and it seems like most of you think it’ll take two of Hall, Nuge, Eberle, and J-Schultz, along with Klefbom and the No. 1 pick.

But I can quote some case-law that suggests that a deal for Weber could be done for less than that. And it’s a case involving another trade the Oilers made for adefenceman.

In the summer of 2005, the Oilers traded Eric Brewer, Doug Lynch and Jeff Woywitka for a 30-year-old Chris Pronger.

The Oilers got the league’s best defenceman for a decent No.3/4 defenceman, plus two mid-level prospects.

Yes, I know – the Oilers were taking advantage of some Blues’ cap troubles. But, upon closer examination, the Blues’ troubles weren’t actually that bad.

You’ll recall that, about five minutes after trading for Pronger, the Oilers signed him to a five-year contract worth $31.5 million US ($6.25 million US annually). But what is sometimes forgotten is that, before the trade, the Blues had tendered a qualifying offer to Pronger that would have paid him $7.22 million-per. Their problem was they also made similar offers to Keith Tkachuk and Doug Weight which would have meant that three players would have eaten up almost $20 million of their cap space (at the time, the cap was $39 million).

In other words, the Blues weren’t really in “cap trouble,” but more “cap-inconvenience.” It's my opinion that they could have lived with that arrangement and probably done OK ... but I'm not a GM, and whoever was at the time obviously thought that Pronger was worth one quality NHL rearguard and two middling defensive prospects in a cap-motivated trade.

I’d argue that the Predators could be in the same boat with Weber. And, I’d take it one step further and say that the Preds have a chance to do a better “hockey deal” than the Blues did eight years ago.

Last time I checked, the Preds score at a rate of one goal a week. Eberle plus Klefbom plus the No. 1 pick should just about do it. Honestly. These are the deals that get made nowadays.

Hall plus Nuge plus Klefbom plus the No. 1 pick? Don’t be silly, people. The Oilers didn’t get that for No. 99.

Eberle/Yakupov, Klef and our 2014 1st for wither Weber or Subban. Over payment or not it would instantly make Edm much better

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#37 Freewheeling Freddie
January 02 2014, 09:56AM
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I get real scared when I think of Oiler trades.You know Lowe Katz and probably Katz's son have final say. I would like something better than Campbell or Erhoff. If you are going to trade a dman with lots of upside such as Klefbom make it a blockbuster ,Klefbom our first and possibly Eberle, that would be very very bold.Nobody else on our 2nd 3rd or 4th lines have any real cache.

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#38 wintoon
January 02 2014, 10:33AM
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There are 2 gaping and critical holes to fill with the Oilers line up. The first is a top pairing D man and the second is a 2C. As many have said, filling the top pairing D man is very challenging and would be at a premium cost wise. Perhaps the first step should be to explore a trade for a 2C such as O'Rielly from the Avs. Given the acrimony generated last year perhaps he could be available. This might be achieved using assets such as Gagner, Hemsky, Jones, Klefbom, Marincin and our 2015 first rounder to acquire a proven upgrade on the D. The Oilerws would then still have their 2014 top 5 lottery pick to fill either the 2C hole or combine it with Eberle or Yakupov to obtain that coveted top pairing D man. In any event, this coming trade deadline and the 2014 draft will be key to the Oilers and MacT's future. I wish them both every success.

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#39 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 10:57AM
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Ed in PV wrote:

Gagner is not tradeable at the moment. Do you think any GM would take on $4.8 million for a center who is on track for less the 40 points and trending to a -30? Unless he starts playing better, a buy out will be the Oil's only option. You are falling into the common fault of the Edmonton Sport's media of over valuing the Oil's players abilities.

If you think of the Penner to LA trade a few years ago, the Oil got two first rounders for Penner ( Teubert and a pick who became Klefbom). If this is a metric it will take more than just a lower 1st round pick who has yet to show much as a pro for a higher end D man. I would suggest the Oil would need offer up at least at much as the got for Penner.

But, but he scored eight points in a game once.

All kidding aside anyone is tradable and GM's value draft postilion and youth.

The bigger concern to me is why was Gagner signed to that contract in the first place.Including a partial no trade clause.Easy answer is yes management here is that bad.It is mind numbing the incompetence of this management group.

It is better to trade him for whatever you can get between now and the trade deadline then to buy him out for no return this summer.

The sad,scary part is it looks like management here still believe he is part of the solution not part of the problem.

His game and the teams record states otherwise.

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#40 Serious Gord
January 02 2014, 11:16AM
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@ Serious Gord "Like it or not tanking for the rest of the season should be the goal - sadly the only advantage to having a disastrous season - the remainder of the year. to play their way out of a top five pick - a pick that could get that high-end defenseman or some other desperately needed asset would be a silly, face-saving gesture that goes against the long-term interests of the team."

Maybe this should read POTENTIAL high end defencemen, unless you meant that you wanted the top 5 as a trade asset.

Yes I'm implying that the pick be traded.

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#41 Quintana
January 02 2014, 11:48AM
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I wonder what de Coyotes would want for Yandle? or Sammuelson? Would something like Snowpants plus Yak going to Arizona for Yandle, Murphy and Sammuelson work?

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#42 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 12:01PM
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I doubt the coyotes would do a straight across deal of Yak for Yandle.

You would have to give up something considerable plus Yak to get Yandle.

Unless you are getting a fabulous return I would not move Yak yet. He is just a kid he needs time and a coach too teach him the pro game.His whole life he owned the puck and never had to worry about defence.

Too bad he held the KHL over the teams head last year. A year more in junior then some time in the AHL learning the pro game would have been better for him.

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#43 RexHolez
January 02 2014, 12:40PM
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Yak said he would not report back to junior if he was not playing here he was going to the KHL.

You don't think Yak could of used some time learning the pro game?One more year of junior then the AHL would of helped with that.

It sure hurt Modano eh.If he needed seasoning he needed seasoning does not matter where he was drafted.

I think letting Yak play his game would help too

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#44 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 03:01PM
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Wayne Reynolds wrote:

The quote regarding Sather hiring someone out of prison is the most discusting piece I have read on this site. Bringing up a regrettable incident from over thirty years ago is classless and ignorant. This should not exemplifily an Oiler fan #57 please go cheer for Calgary.

Some people cannot handle the truth.

Why would the truth be classless and ignorant?

It happened a human being sadly lost their life.Putting your head in the sand and ignoring it will not change that fact.Pretending it did not happen does not mean that it did not happen.

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#45 thefoz
January 02 2014, 03:51PM
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@Spydyr

I like Pietrangelo too but I think Subban is more of a complete player. The extra $1.5MM per in cap space would be nice though, but I think he'd be a harder get because of that cap-friendly deal.

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#46 Ryan2
January 02 2014, 03:56PM
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Sorry, you weren't going to get a #1/2 Dman for Magnus PRV.

If anyone was given the option of trading PRV for a #1/2 Dman OR Perron, it's a no brainer to take the Dman. That option wasn't presented because there's no way PRV was part of a trade for that calibre of player.

Perron was a steal and we were lucky to get that. The only reason we did was because of STL's money situation.

Sorry if it sounded that way, but I did not mean to insinuate that MPS would get us a #1/#2. He is worth a #5 at best alone. No one is giving us a #1 unless Hall, Ebs or Nuge are in the mix.

What I was trying to say is that he was a an expendable asset and trading chip of value that could have been used in a package to land one. Instead, MacT wasted one of the few tradeable assets with value that he had for a player that does not noticeably improve the team.

Perron can score and plays with a bit of an edge (he picks his spots), but his skill set is redundant. As a second line forward his ability to make the team better is limited (his defensive lapses are common as well which is why Hitchcock was eager to deal him), but a true #2 d-man, let alone a #1, would have. Now, if MacT had sweetened the pot with MPS + pick (2nd or 3rd round)/prospect and taken a top 4 d-man in return from St. Louis then it would have been a good trade.

Building a team means filling all the holes in your roster, not just trading for the BPA with a redundant skill set. MacT won the Perron for MPS trade in the short term, but it did not improve the team as much as #2 d-man would have. Maybe he can package Perron + young gun + pick(s)/prospect(s) into a #1 or #2, but if not then it was a waste of an asset (just like Smid for a 6th round pick to clear phantom cap space.......).

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#47 15w40
January 02 2014, 04:16PM
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Eberle & the 2014 1st should be enough to get the conversation started on Weber. Right now I don't think there is any urgency to get anything done before the draft - the playoffs are gone.

I still believe the preference is to try and get Yakupov to play good hockey and trade him not Eberle.

Nashville may not want to go down that road with a Russian player again though. Weber is a long shot to complete a transaction I think but I think Poile would listen.

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#48 thefoz
January 02 2014, 04:21PM
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@Spydyr

Those same experts with higher hockey IQs than us tried to, and did, pay David Clarkson almost $7MM per annum to play hockey. David Clarkson. I'm not going to hang my hat on anything anyone of those mouthpieces who are paid to spout off has to say.

I'm no expert, far from it, but I'm fairly satisfied with my opinion about PK and how I got there. Using the same criteria, Pietrangelo is below him in almost every way.

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#49 Andrew
January 02 2014, 05:06PM
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Stupidest proposed trade EVER!! That's why it will likely happen. If any other NHL team owned Klefbom it would not even be considered. This disfunctional and incompetent management are just liiable to do it.

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#50 Ryan Smyth's Old Wooden Stick
January 03 2014, 06:14AM
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Since we're throwing around trade ideas, this one just may be crazy enough to work! Call up Glen Sather and send him Gagner along with a DVD of his 8 point game, Nick Schultz and one of our prospects and we get back Brad Richards and one of their young defenseman (DelZotto maybe). We keep half of Gagner's and Schultz's salary this year, the Rangers keep half of Richard's this year.

Rangers need cap space this year and going forward, get a 2C back, a UFA defenseman to replace who they traded and a prospect to even things out. We get a good defensive centre to teach the kids the 200 foot game that has some offense, an upgrade on defense moving the puck and take some salary cap crunch off the Rangers and save them a buyout.

Thoughts?

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