Oscar Klefbom might be most valuable to the Edmonton Oilers as a trade chip

Jonathan Willis
January 02 2014 08:24AM

It sounds decidedly counterintuitive. The Oilers need defencemen, so why would they trade a big 20-year-old blue-liner with a range of skills just as he’s learning the North American professional game?

There are reasons why it may make sense.

Availability

The simple fact is that Edmonton desperately needs at least one top-pairing calibre defenceman. The modern incarnation of Chris Pronger would be the dream here, which is why Shea Weber’s name never dies, but that may not be possible and if it isn’t Edmonton has to fill the void somehow.

The names that might be available on the trade market are generally some distance south of Weber. Players like Christian Ehrhoff and Brian Campbell and Dustin Byfuglien are the ones people speculate about; good, useful defenders either underrated by their current teams or playing out the string on a roster miles away from contending.

All of those guys have some warts, but all of them would represent a massive upgrade for an Edmonton team leaning on the trio of Jeff Petry, Andrew Ference and Justin Schultz. If MacTavish can’t bring in a Pronger, he needs to find at least a Boris Mironov or Janne Niinimaa or Roman Hamrlik. And given the meagre free agent pickings available, odds are good he’ll have to do it via trade.

Perfect Storm

In this hypothetical trade for a good defenceman, Edmonton needs a package of certain quality to trade. It has to be good enough to get the other team interested. It has to be non-vital enough that it isn’t going to crush the team to lose it. And finally it needs to be fair value for the Oilers, a team that needs to put meat on the table for every shot they fire.

The 2014 first round draft pick might have fit those bills, but at this point the Oilers would need eight more points than they have just to get outside the top-five of the draft. It’s still a moveable piece, but the return on it needs to be something bigger than Mironov or Niinimaa and those returns are hard to land.

Some of the young forwards (Taylor Hall and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins) are too vital to make the list; the others (Jordan Eberle and Nail Yakupov) fall into the same boat as that 2014 pick, where the guy coming the other way needs to be a lot bigger than he’s likely to be. Sam Gagner’s tradable but opens up an ugly hole at centre, and the only plausible internal replacement has all of 32 career games under his belt.

What about Darnell Nurse? Team Canada may not be in love with him but he’s a 6’4” 18-year-old with a mean streak and a near point-per-game scoring run under his belt in junior this year. He’s not going to be good enough soon enough to plug the hole on defence himself, but he’s Edmonton’s best prospect by a country mile and a perfect fit for long-term need.

Which is where Klefbom comes in. He’s a good player, with that nice blend of skills and a combination of size and speed that’s awfully hard to find. He was a first round draft pick. So he has value. But at the same time, he’s also 27 games into his AHL career, 20 years old and a guy who barely played last season; he isn’t going to fix Edmonton’s blue line problems any time soon. He can move the puck but his offensive ability has a definite ceiling; he might evolve into a very, very good shutdown guy but that’s years away and not impossible to find. He’s a left-shooting defenceman on a team with Nurse, Martin Marincin, Martin Gernat, Brandon Davidson and Dillon Simpson, so the Oilers have both quality and depth at the position.

Put it all together and it’s hard not to wonder if Klefbom is moved at some point. He has enough value to be the key asset in return for a good NHL player, much like he was when Edmonton moved Dustin Penner out. His absence doesn’t hurt the Oilers now, and they have a wealth of prospects at the position. And while an excellent prospect he’s not the kind of player likely to embarrass the team by winning a Norris Trophy five years down the road.

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#101 pelhem grenville
January 02 2014, 09:50PM
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Rick Stroppel wrote:

MACTAVISH THE RIVERBOAT GAMBLER

I would love to play cards with MacTavish. He would probably say things like "this hand is crappy, I am probably going to fold" or "man, this is a great hand, you would be foolish to bet against me!".

Consider his recent statements. "We are getting rid of Horcoff and Hemsky, we don't want them anymore". That is like going to the used car lot and saying "this car of mine is a piece of junk, I would take anything if you would just take it off my hands".

Or "we are building around a core of 8 or 9 or 10 players". Oh yeah? Are Dubnyk, Justin Schultz and Gagner on that 'protected list'? The 'for sale' should be hung (privately) on every player except Hall and RNH.

And "we will probably trade our first round pick, no matter how high it is". Wouldn't it be better to say "this is a fantastic draft year, if anyone wants that pick they better come with a very special offer". If MacTavish was an NFL GM, I think he would have made Tim Tebow the number one overall pick.

Seriously. This team is at a crossroads, BIG TIME. The next big trade may be the the most important one of the last 25 years. For the sake of the team, I hope he gets it right.

...dammit man who's in the trade?!!!

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#102 Harry
January 02 2014, 10:35PM
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A-Mc wrote:

You're blurring the lines between the different perspectives on the team.

From the Players perspective, you're right, losing CAN'T be the mandate. But from the GM's perspective (Serious Gord's position) getting the highest draft pick possible is best if you're going to suck anyway.

You're using insulting words by calling him a complete idiot and then you're arguing a position that is from a perspective NOT related to personnel acquisition.

The Subject matter of the original article suggests that we are to put our GM thinking caps on so please drop the crap about player mentality.

If you.are a gm whos team has finished in the bottom of the standings 5years running and your still.saying we should lose more and more and more that is what constitutes a complete idiot.

Arent you sick of losing?

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#103 Jamie E
January 03 2014, 12:18AM
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I'm not an Edmonton fan but I was perusing this comment thread out of general interest.

All of you are criminally underrating Ehrhoff. His numbers in Vancouver were terrific. He was the straw that stirred the best power play in hockey. His numbers in Buffalo have been nothing short of remarkable given how horrible that team is. He is a possession, play driving monster.

Preferring Byfuglien over him is just plain wrong. And crazy and silly.

Your solution to your problem on D is a defenseman who isn't good at defence?

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#104 Casey
January 03 2014, 12:32PM
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I've said this since last season. Klefbom won't be traded. Management sent him here all the way from Europe(yes MacT was with us. They made him a normal occurrence in the dressing room, he met the whole team,all of management, and even some fans. They clearly see him in our future. If they trade a defensive prospect it will most certainly be Marty Marincin(as much as I hate it)

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#107 Posti
January 02 2014, 09:32AM
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To get Weber you would have to trade a lot. Eberle, Klefbom and our first rounder would probably be the only way to get Nashville to talk to us.

It might seem to be a bit of an overpay but all the best teams that have won Stanley Cups in last 20 years have a stud on D. Look at the last 8 years going backwards -> Seabrook/Keith, Doughty, Chara, Seabrook/Keith, Letang, Lidstrom, Pronger. Defense wins championships.

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#108 HardBoiledOil
January 02 2014, 10:41AM
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fans must come to the realization that some players they may feel are vital to this team, but may not actually be....like Eberle, Gagner, Hemsky, Yak...may be the ones that need to go (no not all together), when looking at #1 d-men coming here, as well as the 1st rounder, though if i'm the Oilers, with very little in the cupboard for GOOD forwards in the system, i'm still keeping the pick and taking a forward if outside the top 2.

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#109 Lloyd B.
January 02 2014, 10:54AM
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Teams that are competing for the post season or adding a missing piece or two for a cup run will not be trading actual NHL players at the deadline. MacT. will likely trade some pieces on the edge, aka N. Schultz, and others to stock pile draft picks which he will then turn into real NHL players as part of a package at the draft. Only way it works to maximize value of the assets. Flipping it around and trading picks for assets at the TD is what contenders do. We're not there.

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#110 Wohin gehst du?
January 02 2014, 11:07AM
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How does Slepyshev affect the future of this team, JW?

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#111 Sammy27
January 02 2014, 11:31AM
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Is our overall win - loss record in the last 10 years worse than the mighty Islanders? Hang your head

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#112 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 11:31AM
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Ed in PV wrote:

If you put yourself in the shoes of the other team's GM, would you even take Gangner for zero? You are stuck with the $4.8 mill for another 2 years. Why would anyone do that?

Why was he signed is one of the key problems with the Oil. Can't seem to evaluate player's abilities. I think they often see "talent" as the same as a player's ability to play the game.

If they could get the same deal as they got for Omark (which might be zero) they should do it.

As the regulars here know I am no fan of Gagner the player.That being said I do believe with the right team and the right fit of players he still holds some value.Not a lot but some.Especially if you take a under performing player back. Say a defencmen in NY.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/12/21/new-york-rangers-gm-glen-sather-getting-desperate-to-make-a-deal-or-three

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#113 Lochenzo
January 02 2014, 11:34AM
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Hey look! Konopka on waivers today for all of you banging that drum last year.

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#114 Rick Stroppel
January 02 2014, 11:34AM
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MACTAVISH THE RIVERBOAT GAMBLER

I would love to play cards with MacTavish. He would probably say things like "this hand is crappy, I am probably going to fold" or "man, this is a great hand, you would be foolish to bet against me!".

Consider his recent statements. "We are getting rid of Horcoff and Hemsky, we don't want them anymore". That is like going to the used car lot and saying "this car of mine is a piece of junk, I would take anything if you would just take it off my hands".

Or "we are building around a core of 8 or 9 or 10 players". Oh yeah? Are Dubnyk, Justin Schultz and Gagner on that 'protected list'? The 'for sale' should be hung (privately) on every player except Hall and RNH.

And "we will probably trade our first round pick, no matter how high it is". Wouldn't it be better to say "this is a fantastic draft year, if anyone wants that pick they better come with a very special offer". If MacTavish was an NFL GM, I think he would have made Tim Tebow the number one overall pick.

Seriously. This team is at a crossroads, BIG TIME. The next big trade may be the the most important one of the last 25 years. For the sake of the team, I hope he gets it right.

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#115 Ed in PV
January 02 2014, 11:37AM
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Spydyr wrote:

As the regulars here know I am no fan of Gagner the player.That being said I do believe with the right team and the right fit of players he still holds some value.Not a lot but some.Especially if you take a under performing player back. Say a defencmen in NY.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/12/21/new-york-rangers-gm-glen-sather-getting-desperate-to-make-a-deal-or-three

OK, you've convinced me. If you are trading a problem for a problem then something might be doable.

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#116 Dog Train
January 02 2014, 11:48AM
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Sooner or later, we have to give up something of value in order to get value. We can keep shipping out guys like Ladislav Smid, Nick Shultz and Ryan Jones for draft picks and prospects but eventually we will need to trade a useful piece knowing full well that they could contribute to another organization. We do have pieces that other teams could find useful, they're all just too young or bring the same things to the table. Not all of our prospect Dmen will get the opportunity to play for the Edmonton Oilers so, other than Nurse, they should be available for the right price.

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#117 Spydyr
January 02 2014, 11:50AM
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Quintana wrote:

I wonder what de Coyotes would want for Yandle? or Sammuelson? Would something like Snowpants plus Yak going to Arizona for Yandle, Murphy and Sammuelson work?

Don't think that works for the Coyotes.

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#118 HardBoiledOil
January 02 2014, 12:01PM
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Sal-Sational wrote:

With his contract @ $6M i think Jordan Eberle should be the kid used as trade Bait. Sam Gagner Needs to go but the problem is he's got no trade Value.

These are the Guys id Try to Target Next summer:

Centers Joe Thorton 34(2nd Line Center), David Bolland 27 (2nd Line Center)Boyle Brian 29(4th Line Center)

Defencemen: Dan Girardi 29 making around $3.5M Andrej Meszaros 28 making $4.00M Andrei Markov 35 making 5.75M

LW: Dustin Penner 31 making $2M Matt Moulson 30 Making $3.3M

RW: Ryan Callahan 28 Making $4.275M Jarome Iginla 36 Making $6M

Goalies: Jaroslav Halak, 28 making $3.7M Jonas Hiller, 31 Making $4.5M Ryan Miller , 33 Making $6.250M (but he wouldnt sign here)

if we ever managed to sign a 27 year old Bolland, then that for sure would be the end of Gagner as the 2nd line center here, though they'd likely drop him to 3rd line center or move him to the wing with Hemsky likely gone as a UFA.

Girardi would be another good vet to sign for our sad defense, though we need more than just him.

Hiller or Halak would also be a great signing and I think MacT is likely targeting one of those two in the off season.

I don't feel Callahan will sign here at his age, he along with Bolland will likely sign with contenders.

but we could have a chance at Brian Boyle, though don't expect much more than a 4th line center with enormous size.

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#119 Lochenzo
January 02 2014, 12:02PM
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I'd suspect that they are already looking to move Sam Gagner. His NTC kicks in this summer. Maybe that's why we saw Roman Horak get a looksee at centre.

I don't think I've seen anybody mention Kulikov here. He's risky in terms of his development and risk of flight to the KHL, but if Sam Gagner's value is as low as some of you suggest it is, then maybe that's the deal you could complete without surrendering too much.

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#120 oilerjed
January 02 2014, 12:10PM
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Umm isnt there an unofficial rule about the whole ebberway trade thing.

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#121 oilerjed
January 02 2014, 12:10PM
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Anyone have any thoughts on Yakimov?

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#122 Dan the Man
January 02 2014, 12:25PM
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John Chambers wrote:

Byfuglien is the guy I would target instead of Ehrhoff because he has both offensive abilities as well as size and nastiness that this team hasn't had since Souray.

Although Ehrhoff's contract is a bargain, and worth trading for in and of itself.

It's also a bonus that Byfuglien is a few years younger than Erhoff.

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#123 michael
January 02 2014, 12:25PM
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JW we might see 10 points this month. Might. The schedule makers have not been kind. Its a murderers row of the WC's top teams. My expectations are low for Oilers going into the Olympic break. Which will be a needed break both physically and mentally.

The Olympic break will certainly be a most interesting time for the Oilers management and coaching staff. A time to look at the current players and review its plan moving forward.

The tradeline will see some players moved. Whether there will any current Oilers moved is another question. We have some tradeable assets in our own deluded opinions. We'll have to see if our reality matches any of the other 29 GM's.

If I had m druthers I would keep out 2014 pick. I would try to get Eckblad or Sam Rheinhart. I like Ritchie also. DalColle?

Many of you have posted about the lack of FA signings that we'll see. As far as defencemen goes really has anyone but me looked at the list? Its a list of 5-6 dmen. Anyone worth having as a number 1 is signed long term already by their respective clubs.

Forwards? A second line center? Good luck finding one.

MacT and Eakins are running this team. I have no doubt. What I hope for is that MacT can find more Perron's and less Grebeshkov's next summer.

Development and Patience.

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#124 Quintana
January 02 2014, 12:26PM
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Lochenzo wrote:

I'd suspect that they are already looking to move Sam Gagner. His NTC kicks in this summer. Maybe that's why we saw Roman Horak get a looksee at centre.

I don't think I've seen anybody mention Kulikov here. He's risky in terms of his development and risk of flight to the KHL, but if Sam Gagner's value is as low as some of you suggest it is, then maybe that's the deal you could complete without surrendering too much.

I'll do that in a second!!!!!!

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#125 A-Mc
January 02 2014, 12:30PM
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Lochenzo wrote:

Offer sheet Subban and surrender 4 1st round picks.

I mean, what are the chances that the Oilers finish out of the playoffs next year and win the Connor McDavid sweepstakes?!?!?

Oh it's almost a LOCK that McDavid comes to the Mighty Oilers next year! =D

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#126 Lochenzo
January 02 2014, 12:36PM
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PutzStew wrote:

What is wrong with you people?????

Why would Colorado trade O'Reilly for anything with Hemsky, Gagner or Jones???

Do you really think that Colorado couldn't find a better deal then anything with one of those player in it?

Have you looked at Colorado's center depth??? They have to gray Centers already. Hemsky and Jones are UFA's so why would they want to trade them.

Seriously what are you people drinking???

O'Reilly might be available given his insane contract. To qualify him, you need to offer him more money than what he's making this year, which is like $6 million or something. If the Avs don't qualify him, he becomes an UFA. Maybe they move MacKinnon to centre to replace O'Reilly. Maybe Gagner is a good winger to play in their top 6.

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#127 PutzStew
January 02 2014, 12:39PM
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mr common sense wrote:

I think Buffalo would take Gagner for Steve Ott straight and if Im MacT, I do that in 1.5 seconds. Ott, a ufa, becomes the C to monitor Thornton, Getz and the other big C's in our division.

Next, do whatever the heck is necessary to land Webber, I think Eberle/Klefbom will do it.

Once you have Webber, then I honestly think we use J. Schultz as an asset to move out for a golden C....im thinking, J. Shultz/Alice/#2 for Coutourier/Simmonds

so we have added:

Ott, Webber, Coutourier and Simmonds and we delete gagner, alice, eberle, kelfbom....now that is frickin bold and our team is meteorically better.

Lets start here.

Ott will be a good deadline pick up and someone will probably over pay for him. Gagner needs to be behind a good top center so Buffalo isn't a good place for him.

See above about Webber.

And why would Philly want Shultz? Especially if Webber is available. Do you really think Nashville would juts let the Oilers know that Webber is available? Do you think they fell sorry for Edmonton and would just give Webber away, with out seeing what else was being offered??? Or that Philly would settle with Shultz as a runner up gift???

How about this....I will give you a 2x$5bills for one $20bill?

Come on. You get 2 for the price of one. I'll only do it for you though because you are special.

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#128 Chet134
January 02 2014, 01:05PM
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@DoubleJ

Give this kid time. Two years ago, he was named top defensemen at the world jrs as a 18 yr old at a 20 yr old tourney. Never played last year due to injury. Now ur expecting him to step into the NHL. Hes as good as Brodin from Minny.

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#129 PutzStew
January 02 2014, 01:08PM
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Chet134 wrote:

It makes total sense. So out of Eberle, yak, nurse, kleffbom, and Schultz, u can't get a deal done. Are u scouting for the Oilers.

No it doesn't.

This is what you wrote... "U can't trade Nug or hall. If we have a chance to draft Ekblad it's a no brainier. The kid is a stud. Imagine having weber, nurse, Ekblad, Schultz, petry, ?. Much improved D."

You did not state you where going to get Webber. You mentioned drafting Ekblad, but nothing about Webber. He just magically appeared there.

That why it makes no sense...not to mention a pipe dream.

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#130 OnlyOil
January 02 2014, 01:17PM
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Harry wrote:

Have you looked at Edms record in their last 20? Dont kid yourself the preperations for next year begin now! Not at the draft or the trade deadline. Losing is never an option. I am impressed what ive seen from our top players in the past 10 games ( other than st louis of course). So these guys should be playing pissed off and carry that over to training camp. Not recieving the message from management or the fans that losing is the goal in order to get a "potential" difference maker via a top 5 pick. Give your head a shake!!!!

Harry I totally agree with you, losing is not an option for this team. Losing the loser mentality has got to be the only way from here on out. If the players refuse to buy in to the team systems on how MacT and Eakins want this team to play...then move them out. In case nobody has noticed river hockey, free wheeling, defensively irresponsible hockey is for losers, this team doesn't have the talent of the 80's Oilers did, they must be defensively responsible. Taylor Hall is a champion and he will not tolerate this losing BS

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#131 Westcoastoil
January 02 2014, 01:19PM
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They will have to include one of Klefbom or Marincin (depending on which is valued higher by the trading partner) to get some value back.

They should also try and make some smaller like for like kind of trades with some forwards where the players may be more or less a wash, but the incoming player is coming from a successful team that plays the way the Oilers should be playing. Guys who will finish a check and go into the hard areas. This was apparently a big part of the Ference signing. We just need more of them even if they are of the 3 line variety.

I can't imagine Hall wants to wait for Nurse, Klembom, Marincin etc. to impact an NHL game

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#132 Ed in PV
January 02 2014, 01:22PM
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RexHolez wrote:

I think letting Yak play his game would help too

Yak has told us what his game and that is the root of the problem. He has stated his game is no checking just shooting. Hopefully this year will be a learning experience for him and the Oil will have an NHL caliber player in a year or two.

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#133 michael
January 02 2014, 01:42PM
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Sisyphus wrote:

What are you people on? I mean it--what good drugs do you clearly have?

The Oilers players are, on the whole, only of value to the Oilers. On a REAL hockey team, sadly, most of these players would be fringe/injury insurance at best.

No one wants Gags, even if we did decide to trade before the NTC kicks in. Certainly not for a player of value, even in a package (unless part of that package is RNH, Hall, or maaaybe Ebs). No one really wants Hemmer, and if they do, they'll sit tight until off-season, then pick him up without having to give us a thing.

Most teams aren't going to give us a solid dman, a 2C, a goalie, etc, etc. etc. for any of our prospects or even possibly the pick. You want improvement, you have to give to get. And we can't afford more seasons of giving crap to get different crap.

We can continue to try that, or wait on our prospects, but it wont be long until the "trade me out of this hell hole please" rumblings start from RNH, Ebs, Hall, Perron, etc.

I agree. Who would want Gagner right now? What is his current value? At the moment very little. Hemsky is a 2cd or 3rd round pick. Maybe.

N Shultz? 4-6 th round. His numbers are awful.

The only way we get any of our needs is by trading away other key pieces.

Then the pundits want MacT to piss away a possible 1-5 pick. For what? So we can still suck 5 years from now.

Good teams develop players longterm. A franchise needs to draft and develop players continuously.

What is this the point of all this losing if we only glory once? We need to build a team and an organization that is competitive over time. Not for just short spurts.

MacT knows this and I hope he will do the right thing for this franchise longterm.

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#134 pkam
January 02 2014, 01:42PM
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I know of 3 types of trades.

1st type is playoff teams trade their futures for immediate help to push for the playoff and the cup. Usually, you give up more in this kind of trade. Since we are not a playoff team so so I don't think we are looking at the 1st type of trade.

2nd type is exchange of garbage. Hopefully your garbage may work better than mine. I don't think this type of trade is going to help us but at least it will quiet some fans with new faces.

3rd type is two teams trade away their redundant strength to fill a hole of their own.

I know we have needs in at least one 1st pairing D, more likely 2. A big 2C, a starting goalie, bigger 3rd line winger, and a 4C. But where is our redundant strength?

The only position we may have some redundancy is top 2 RW in Eberle, Yak and Hemsky. But some suggests that Eberle has already reached his maximum potential, Yak is still a big gamble, and Hemsky has no more value and we should let him walk UFA. So even our deepest position is not that deep. If we have so many holes and no real redundancy, what does it mean?

Some suggest packaging RNH/Hall for Weber. So we fill the top D hole with a new hole in 1C or 1LW? How is this helping our team?

So how can we improve the team but filling one hole with another?

I don't know about you, IMO, we are not ready yet. No trade is going to fix the problem. If we can't lure UFA to come here, the only option we have is to be patient and fill up our cupboard first.

If we are to trade away our young core players for some immediately help to push for playoff, we will never have a team good enough for the cup. Isn't it what we we did prior to 2010?

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#135 michael
January 02 2014, 02:17PM
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pkam wrote:

I know of 3 types of trades.

1st type is playoff teams trade their futures for immediate help to push for the playoff and the cup. Usually, you give up more in this kind of trade. Since we are not a playoff team so so I don't think we are looking at the 1st type of trade.

2nd type is exchange of garbage. Hopefully your garbage may work better than mine. I don't think this type of trade is going to help us but at least it will quiet some fans with new faces.

3rd type is two teams trade away their redundant strength to fill a hole of their own.

I know we have needs in at least one 1st pairing D, more likely 2. A big 2C, a starting goalie, bigger 3rd line winger, and a 4C. But where is our redundant strength?

The only position we may have some redundancy is top 2 RW in Eberle, Yak and Hemsky. But some suggests that Eberle has already reached his maximum potential, Yak is still a big gamble, and Hemsky has no more value and we should let him walk UFA. So even our deepest position is not that deep. If we have so many holes and no real redundancy, what does it mean?

Some suggest packaging RNH/Hall for Weber. So we fill the top D hole with a new hole in 1C or 1LW? How is this helping our team?

So how can we improve the team but filling one hole with another?

I don't know about you, IMO, we are not ready yet. No trade is going to fix the problem. If we can't lure UFA to come here, the only option we have is to be patient and fill up our cupboard first.

If we are to trade away our young core players for some immediately help to push for playoff, we will never have a team good enough for the cup. Isn't it what we we did prior to 2010?

This is exactly what we did. I agree with your reasoning. It reflects what I have been saying about drafting and developing.

I totally disagree with those who feel that making the playoffs is the goal. Yup we've seen where that path lead year after year. Losses to Dallas/Detroit/Colorado and so on.

Just getting there is and should not be the end all and be all. It should be about being competitive long term like those Sharks were playing tonight.

The experience factor is so huge. And what do our top 6 lack vs the top 6 teams in the WC. Experience. Teows and Kane are 4 years ahead of Hall and Ebs and RNH. Minimum.

Yup we should be their equal because we say so.Does not happen. Hall has made great strides as a player. But it takes more than Hall to win. It will take time and patience.

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#136 TigerUnderGlass
January 02 2014, 02:19PM
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Philly was willing to give up 4 firsts they expected to be in the high 20s. This is a very different creature.

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#137 thefoz
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I'm also probably in the minority here, but all things equal, I think a 24 year old Subban might be a more valuable asset (assuming he can be signed for an $8x8MM type deal) than a 28 year old Weber signed for an AAV of $7.87MM until he's 40.

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January 02 2014, 03:39PM
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thefoz wrote:

I'm also probably in the minority here, but all things equal, I think a 24 year old Subban might be a more valuable asset (assuming he can be signed for an $8x8MM type deal) than a 28 year old Weber signed for an AAV of $7.87MM until he's 40.

My choice would be Alex Pietrangelo 6 ft 3 in 205 lb signed for seven-years worth $45.5 million ($6.5 million per season)He is 23 fits right into the group age wise.I would trade anyone not named Hall or Nuge but good luck getting him .

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#139 Spydyr
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Yeah it certainly might be - but it being an overpay doesn't necessarily mean it's not what the market is for that player. You think Eberle+1st would get it done?

I'd be inclined to agree that a lesser deal could be found if the Oilers were willing to wait until Subban's contract situation potentially deteriorated, but I think this is a package that would be hard to turn down and would make the Oilers significantly better immediately, and for the next 10 years.

It should but again I would not trade the first until I knew what it was.Ekblad may end up being a better player then Subban and you have given them Eberle also.

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I like Pietrangelo too but I think Subban is more of a complete player. The extra $1.5MM per in cap space would be nice though, but I think he'd be a harder get because of that cap-friendly deal.

Funny, I think Pietrangelo is the more complete player.Subban is to much a me guy for my liking.Also to much of a hot dog but to each their own.

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To be honest, I don't watch enough of either player to make a truly informed opinion, but by the numbers Subban is more impressive in all three game states, and the MTL blog circuit has pretty much nothing but heaping praise for him while casting aside opinions about his character as being uninformed.

I'm not saying you are, but that narrative just doesn't seem to jive with what smarter people than me usually say about him. What kind of stuff have you seen/read that makes you think that way about him anyway?

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Hedican.

I'm mostly just kidding but felt it had to be said.

That's a good one, plus Mike Commodore, Aron Ward and an aging Glen Wesley, Cam Ward made up for their average defense. Johnathan, if he isn't traded for Weber, Subban or Duncan Keith by the deadline won't Klefbom be called up to replace a traded veteran like Nick Schultz and the team and fans will get a good look at him.

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Eberle & the 2014 1st should be enough to get the conversation started on Weber. Right now I don't think there is any urgency to get anything done before the draft - the playoffs are gone.

I still believe the preference is to try and get Yakupov to play good hockey and trade him not Eberle.

Nashville may not want to go down that road with a Russian player again though. Weber is a long shot to complete a transaction I think but I think Poile would listen.

You do understand if they let Weber go to Philadelphia the would have received four first-round draft picks. They also payed Weber many millions in bonus.

Now even if they wanted to trade him after all that the Oilers would be bidding against every other team for his services.

Eberle & the 2014 1st would get the phone hung up on you.

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Those same experts with higher hockey IQs than us tried to, and did, pay David Clarkson almost $7MM per annum to play hockey. David Clarkson. I'm not going to hang my hat on anything anyone of those mouthpieces who are paid to spout off has to say.

I'm no expert, far from it, but I'm fairly satisfied with my opinion about PK and how I got there. Using the same criteria, Pietrangelo is below him in almost every way.

You can't compare a free agent signing to a trade scenario. Teams over pay for free agents because they don't have to give up assets.

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Not my intent to compare anything, but to provide an example of how 'smart' these so-called 'experts' can be sometimes.

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#146 RexHolez
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Unfortunately there are two ends in hockey.

Sometimes you gotta just accept the Ovechkins of the world. He's not gonna be a strong 2way player. All were doing is lowering his value, taking away his passion and turning this into a soap opera.

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#147 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
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@JW, My question for a big trade to happen is WHEN? Ive said it before and Ill say it again, sooner is better if this team wants to gain some momentum to start next season. I hate the thought of another summer of a few tweaks and then letting it roll. Why not get it started today, most teams we are talking about already know the score on these players too.

In your opinion is MacT working it now or is he bidng his time until the trade deadline and draft. I hope not.

There have been reports from credible sources that MacT and his team have been communicating with pretty much every team in the league for many weeks now. On the one hand they should be prepared for the deadline. On the other hand, GMs in today's league seem to like the confidence they get by waiting for the deadline. They get to see what market value looks like....they get to peruse the players they want in order of priority, they get to save a few bucks in salary by not buying until the last minute, etc.....and the sellers perceive their leverage to be highest right at the deadline.....so lots of forces at play to make an early trade less likely.

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We don't actually know Winnipeg has any interest in moving him; it seems possible given the state of the organization, the warts on the player, and the angry columns in the local paper but it's all speculation.

I would take Byfuglien in a heartbeat......but I don't think he's what the Oilers mgt is looking for....too tough, too much of a rebel for their tastes and eats too many doughnuts.......for Oilers mgt it's Penner and Souray all over again....and they don't like, and can't seem to manage,outspoken players who go against the grain......unfortunately ...

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#149 Dangilitis
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Who would you package with Klefbom, Jonathan? Nick Schultz? Or would you throw in more D prospects (we have a lot of them)?

And who would you target?

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#150 Oilerz4life
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