Comparing Coaches

Jonathan Willis
January 22 2014 10:32AM

Coaching has been an oft-discussed potential reason for the Edmonton Oilers’ collapse this season. While nobody claims that it is coaching and coaching alone that has the Oilers where they are, some wonder whether general manager Craig MacTavish didn’t make a mistake when he chose Dallas Eakins to replace Ralph Krueger.

How does Eakins’ team compare with that of Krueger, and of Tom Renney at five-on-five?

The Comparison

What is needed for a fair comparison between coaches? A level playing field. Because Ralph Krueger’s Oilers only played against Western Conference teams, we will only consider Oilers games played against Western opponents in 2011-12 and this season.

That introduces another problem. Eakins’ Oilers have played 19 games on the road against Western teams, but only 11 at home. To compensate for that, we will be weighting his home and road games equally so out analysis isn’t impacted by an unbalanced schedule.

What should we compare? We’ll run the gamut of five-on-five statistics: shots, Fenwick (shots + missed shots), Corsi (all shot attempts) and good old goals. All numbers will be expressed as a percentage of total events – in other words, 50 percent represents the break-even mark and a higher number is better. We will also include shooting percentage and save percentage.

Tom Renney

Ralph Krueger

Dallas Eakins

Head-To-Head-To-Head

Tom Renney comes out looking awfully good here. Steve Tambellini never offered an actual explanation of what he thought Renney was doing wrong behind the bench when he fired the veteran coach, but it is abundantly clear in hindsight that canning Renney was the wrong move. The Oilers did a better job at getting shot attempts, and getting shot attempts through without them being blocked, of getting shots on net, and of scoring goals under Renney than they would under either of his successors. If one believes (as I do) that Renney had the weakest roster of the three coaches, it’s impossible to look at this without thinking he did an awfully good job.

Ralph Krueger vs. Dallas Eakins is where it gets interesting. Eakins’ team did a better job of generating shot attempts, but Krueger’s did better work getting them through to the opposition net. Krueger’s teams also did a better job of winning the goals battle, in large part because the team shooting and save percentages were better.

Eakins’ home/road splits are compelling. At home, Eakins’ team is pretty competitive with Renney’s in the shot metrics, but on the road the numbers fall apart to a degree not seen under previous coaches. I don’t have an explanation for that; it’s something I’m going to watch for in future games but the difference suggests that whatever Eakins is doing on the road isn’t working at all.

The other item to note here is the save percentage splits – that the goalies’ terrible play isolated to home games suggests to me that the bad goaltending this year isn’t necessarily driven by team defence. By that, I mean that while the Oilers allow way more shots than the league average, there seems to be little reason to believe that they’re consistently allowing higher quality chances than other teams. Certainly they weren’t under Renney or Krueger; it’s possible that Eakins is doing something bizarre but I don’t think it’s likely.

Would Edmonton be better off with Tom Renney behind the bench? I think so, yes, potentially much better off (particularly given the benefits of continuity). Would they be better off with Krueger than Eakins? I don’t know, but I believe there’s a strong learning curve for any rookie NHL head coach, and Krueger already had a year under his belt. That has to be balanced against MacTavish getting a guy suited to his style of managing, so I’m not sure there’s a definite answer here.

Both Eakins and Krueger strike me as intelligent, motivated coaches; I think Krueger would have figured things out eventually and I believe Eakins still will, but the big mistake here was making Renney a scapegoat for problems that weren’t of his creation.

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#151 pkam
January 22 2014, 06:51PM
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Mack Strong wrote:

My implication is that Detroit had a philosophy and model. They follow this philosophy and model in everything they do. Including bringing in Renney who we let go…Renny and Ralph were good for the young guys. He was patient with them. How is Eakins punitive mentality working with Yak?? He's 20 and thinks his $hit don't stink…maybe not the best mentality but Ralph brought a better side out of Yak.

You are 100 % correct that Detroit made a decision to scout European and and European style players because they broke away from the chip and chase philosophy and utilized the puck possession philosophy in the mid 90's.

MANAGEMENT implemented a philosophy and followed up by getting the personnel to follow it. They traded I believe 8 1st round picks:

Primeau plus 1st for Paul Coffey

Eriksson plus 2 more 1st picks for Chelios

Kozlov (1st rd) for Hasek

1st and Fleischman for Lang

1st and roster player for Schneider.

Those are BOLD MOVES!

Point is they had a philosophy implemented by MANAGEMENT, made moves for players that would fit the philosophy, moves made by MANAGEMENT, and brought in Babcock a possession minded coach. They also have a philosophy that players that enter that organization from draft will "Do time in the AHL to learn the game" and patience and mentoring is exercised with them.

What philosophy do you see here in Edmonton? Are they picking players that fit a philosophy? Are they making trades that fit a philosophy? Many of us in the Nation would argue that there seem to be a lack of direction or T. fortitude to make the type of moves Detroit did in the mid 90's. This organization rushes players then slows others, says they'll trade players then keeps them, etc…

Lack of direction from the top bring what we have…Leadership, mentorship, and direction is what brings what they have. Renney is right there with them and so is Ralph just with Team Canada - which by the way is essentially the brain trust of the Red Wings.

Love the OIL Love the Nation

How do you know the Wings drafted player according to their philosophy and Oilers don't?

If the Wings had any philosophy that is reflected by their drafting, then it is icing European players. If you look at late 90s, 80% of the draft were European.

Do the Oilers have a philosophy? From the drafting, I can see they want to get more skill with the first round pick, and bigger with the remaining picks. You don't see it doesn't mean they don't have a philosophy.

Is the Wings draft much better than us? Yes, I give them credit for picking Datsyuk 6th rounder and Zetterberg 7th rounder. It looks very good. But what happen to the other picks in those 2 years, especially the early rounder? In 1998, they had 10 picks and only Fischer and Datsyuk becomes NHLer. In 1999, the Wings had 6 picks, only Zetterberg.

Only the Wings are developing their young prospect in AHL? Do you know we have a farm team OKC and our young players are developing there? You know we sent Nurse back to junior and Klefbom, Marincin etc to OKC before bring them up to Edmonton? You can argue we shouldn't bring Gagner up so fast, but it was 7 years ago.

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#152 AJ
January 22 2014, 06:59PM
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Suspecting that Eakins' weakness on the road as opposed to his strength at home has to do with his ability to line match zone draws at home, as opposed to the home team having last change when the Oilers are on the road. Renney has a better record, so maybe it's not so much as to what Eakins is doing wrong on the road, but what Renney DID, and how his lines were set up.

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#153 madjam
January 22 2014, 06:59PM
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The only thing of note is Eakins has done worse so far with more talent than the others had to deal with . The players are also have one more year of experience as well . Should the Oilers have acted to change the coaching when such is not their nature to do so until another season is lost ? They are quite content to ride out another losing season so long as the building remains sold out .

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#154 admiralmark
January 22 2014, 07:01PM
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So what you are is Renney and Krueger likely would of done as well or better then the Coaches they were fired for.

I'd like every single poster on here that screams "yearly" for the coach to be fired to possibly give your head a shake.

ITS NOT THE COACH! its the lack of NHL talent on the Oilers roster. Especially on D.

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#155 pkam
January 22 2014, 07:04PM
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TayLordBalls wrote:

Hockey is real simple:

Score more goals than the other team.

In other words - spend more time on offense and less time on defense.

I wish it is that easy. When I see Eberle and RNH get knock down when they try to protect the puck, I realize that unless they can manage to play a no contact game, we are not going to win too many one on one puck battle.

If any team can do that, I would think it is the Canucks. They can move the puck really well, the Sedins know very well how to dodge hits and very good at finding open space. And they have a few big guns from their blue lines that can put the puck into the net, and they also have an elite goalie which is Olympic caliber, but still no cigar.

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#156 pkam
January 22 2014, 07:08PM
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I never want to fire Renney nor Kureger. But we can't change what has happened.

If we fire Eakins at the end of this season, my bet is we will be comparing 4 coaches this time next year, and wonder why we fire Eakins for another new coach.

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#157 Gaz
January 22 2014, 07:10PM
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@admiralmark

I agree. As I've said before, its never been the coach with this sorry lot.

That said, firing Krueger was a big mistake. I just caught his interview on Ched and it reminded me how much I liked the guy. Class act too.

Bold Moves MacTavish should be so bold as to beg Krueger to come back in some capacity. The organization is richer with him on it.

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#158 LoweBlow
January 22 2014, 07:14PM
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This article just makes me sad. Oilers, I think we need a break. It's not me, it's you.

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#159 Rick Stroppel
January 22 2014, 07:18PM
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BRING BACK KREUGER. SERIOUSLY.

I was driving around this evening and I heard Ralph Krueger interviewed on the radio. It reminded me of what a smart and classy guy he was. It sounded like he still feels very "connected" to the Oilers players. He said he could not bear to watch oilers games, even hilights.

Anyway, this is my constructive suggestion, moving forward. MacTavish contacts Ralph and BEGS him to come back as HC starting next season. If Katz wants to save money on the contract, offer Eakins a new contract as an assistant coach (not associate, he is not good enough). Tony Granato agreed to this when he realized he just wasn't HC material. George Burnett has a better chance of getting another HC job in the NHL than Eakins.

Or maybe just fire Eakins. Wouldn't that make us all feel a lot better. ADIOS, JACKASS! DON'T LET DOOR HIT YA WHERE THE GOOD LORD SPLIT YA!

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#160 shaddup
January 22 2014, 07:19PM
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TayLordBalls wrote:

This may be the most important comment you ever read:

MacT is the one with the challenge, not the coach. Here is my reasoning:

Everyone knows the western conference is made up of larger bodies. How do you compete and rise to the top of such a division?

The answer is not to go with bigger bodies but to go with more skilled players that can out skate the bigger bodies.

Example: Canada Russia 1972 series. Although Canada did ultimately win the series, the Russians were far faster and skilled than anything in the NHL at that time.

The dynasty Oilers were molded around the concept of Russian speed and skill and they beat the heaviest and toughest teams ever put together in the NHL.

This teams destiny falls onto the shoulders of MacT. He needs to be the visionary to assemble a team capable of beating heavier teams.

We don't need more fighters, we don't need bigger players - we need skill and speed.

MacT needs to assemble players with the intent to out-skate and out-skill bigger teams. The Coach needs to design a strategy NOW, utilizing this skill and speed.

I put my complete trust in MacT - he's the man.

Your sarcasm is either so subtle,so cunning and passive aggressive that it went over my head in it's implausible ironic tone...or, you have just written, by far, the most naive comment to grace this forum...

Either way, I am in utter awe...well done Sir.

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#161 Rama Lama
January 22 2014, 07:19PM
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@pkam

I do not think it would be very hard to convince Eberle to add a one-timer in his bag of tricks?

The kid loves to score and every goalie in the league knows he will do it with a wrister. They all know his tendencies and as a result his shot totals have gone down........just like JW predicted it would. Why did this happen you ask?

Well it's because they all know he will not score a greasy goal.......he will wait them out. In other words he has become predictable. I remember Gretzky had many goals where he just shot the puck, but the main thing was you never knew what he was going to do, in other words he was NEVER predictable.

Eberle has become too predictable and it's upon the coach to point this out and help him........plain and simple!!!

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#162 BRHLBryce
January 22 2014, 07:32PM
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Man am I glad I moved 3 years ago and gave up my season tickets (or better yet, stuck my brothers with them).

In Denver I am actually able to go watch a product that is a development of a rebuild done right.

Even though the PLAYERS on the Avalanche blueline aren't better than what Edmonton has (save EJ, who has been a beast this year), they play a team defensive structure, which is foreign to the Oilers (and was here under Sacco).

Goes to show that getting the right coach, and right personel people (whether they are ex players or not) is really important. Whodathunk it?

If Eberle did his defensive zone tap to the middle that gets picked off every time, Roy would stick his ass to the bench.

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#163 Hall the time
January 22 2014, 07:35PM
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So if it's fine to be in last place I'm sure it's fine to change the coaching staff.

If your last your pasted.

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#164 Max
January 22 2014, 07:38PM
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Firing Eakins will send the message that it's not the team's fault. He should stay and give continuity. In some ways it's not ENTIRELY their fault. The fault lies with the goalie coach, the special teams' coach and the defense coach. Read as KB, SS and FC. THEY have been around for the losing seasons, they are the ones who can't seem to develop the younger players (read as Gagner x 7 years) and others. I think Eakins is on the right track, but the assistants are NOT his choice, and need to be replaced, along with the amateur AND pro scouting teams. Truth be known - it broke my heart when Tom was fired - he did nothing wrong - I think it was Bumbellini's call, if HE had been fired first, probably Tom would still be with us, and we'd be a damned sight higher in the standings this year.

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#165 junior
January 22 2014, 07:51PM
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Max wrote:

Firing Eakins will send the message that it's not the team's fault. He should stay and give continuity. In some ways it's not ENTIRELY their fault. The fault lies with the goalie coach, the special teams' coach and the defense coach. Read as KB, SS and FC. THEY have been around for the losing seasons, they are the ones who can't seem to develop the younger players (read as Gagner x 7 years) and others. I think Eakins is on the right track, but the assistants are NOT his choice, and need to be replaced, along with the amateur AND pro scouting teams. Truth be known - it broke my heart when Tom was fired - he did nothing wrong - I think it was Bumbellini's call, if HE had been fired first, probably Tom would still be with us, and we'd be a damned sight higher in the standings this year.

Broke your heart? Two coaches ago? Are you okay now? Should we hold a vigil for ya? Maybe a fun-run with profits going to your re-hab sessions?

Nut up buttercup, next you'll be regaling us with your thoughts on love story vampire movies...tissue?

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#166 pkam
January 22 2014, 07:55PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I do not think it would be very hard to convince Eberle to add a one-timer in his bag of tricks?

The kid loves to score and every goalie in the league knows he will do it with a wrister. They all know his tendencies and as a result his shot totals have gone down........just like JW predicted it would. Why did this happen you ask?

Well it's because they all know he will not score a greasy goal.......he will wait them out. In other words he has become predictable. I remember Gretzky had many goals where he just shot the puck, but the main thing was you never knew what he was going to do, in other words he was NEVER predictable.

Eberle has become too predictable and it's upon the coach to point this out and help him........plain and simple!!!

I do not know how hard is it to convince Eberle to add a one-timer in his bag of tricks, I only know that 2 coaches were unable to do it in 3 years and nearly 200 games. And although Eakins only have spent 4 months and 50 games with Eberle, he is worse than the other 2 for not able to change Eberle.

How about J. Schultz? He was in College for 4 years, about 40 games in AHL with Nelson, 48 games last season with Kureger, and I have not seen a one-timer since he joined the Oilers, until very recently, did you? Now the question is why J. Schultz didn't one-timer before and started to one-time recently? Another question is why J. Schultz make the change and not Eberle?

If you want to manufacture more reasons to assassinate Eakins, here is one, he hates Eberle.

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#167 outdoorzguy
January 22 2014, 07:56PM
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Rick Stroppel wrote:

BRING BACK KREUGER. SERIOUSLY.

I was driving around this evening and I heard Ralph Krueger interviewed on the radio. It reminded me of what a smart and classy guy he was. It sounded like he still feels very "connected" to the Oilers players. He said he could not bear to watch oilers games, even hilights.

Anyway, this is my constructive suggestion, moving forward. MacTavish contacts Ralph and BEGS him to come back as HC starting next season. If Katz wants to save money on the contract, offer Eakins a new contract as an assistant coach (not associate, he is not good enough). Tony Granato agreed to this when he realized he just wasn't HC material. George Burnett has a better chance of getting another HC job in the NHL than Eakins.

Or maybe just fire Eakins. Wouldn't that make us all feel a lot better. ADIOS, JACKASS! DON'T LET DOOR HIT YA WHERE THE GOOD LORD SPLIT YA!

I heard that interview as we'll. All class!

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#168 outdoorzguy
January 22 2014, 08:00PM
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Jay wrote:

Good Article, I used to think Willis was a bit of a downer but he's quickly become my favourite Oil writer. Smart dude

It's all jibberish...Corsi shmorsi!! Just Win Baby!!

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#169 outdoorzguy
January 22 2014, 08:05PM
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The PUZ wrote:

The only stat that matters is that Eakins has the WORST winning percentage of any head coach in Oiler history!

PS: Thanks Katz for ramping up the parking fees from 12 dollars to 15 dollars on this horrific "NHL" team with 7th highest revenues in the NHL and close to highest ticket prices in the NHL.

Parking fees are controlled by Northlands. It's their land, their building. It is however, a huge cash grab for them. They probably need the money to compensate Dick Anderson for going back stateside. He's Northlands own Klowe. Anderson fired or forced out all the Canadians and brought in his American minions to ruin Northlands.

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#170 Kr55
January 22 2014, 08:32PM
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Couple things that really saved Eakins from looking even worse relative to previous coaches.

1) Being forced to play Arcobello. I count this because he couldn't wait to demote Arco to make room for Gagner even though it was obvious to everyone he was a better #2C option for us. Arco, at least from a possession numbers standpoint is far superior to Gags, so Eakins' hand being forced to play him was essentially just a fluke for Eakins that helped his numbers out.

2) Perron playing in "St. Louis mode". Perron really dominated for us early on, and, in my opinion it didn't have that much to do with Eakins. Just a good trade by MacT to get a player from a good system/situation that has, so far, carried that game over to our team.

If he had a healthy Gags to start the year and Arco never got any opportunity to show what he can do, and you replaced Perron with, say MPS, then Eakins is even further down the toilet with his possession numbers.

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#171 Zarny
January 22 2014, 08:32PM
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TayLordBalls wrote:

Sheep - You're following the crowd.

The Oiler's management need to be trend setters.

Perhaps the coach can consider shaping the players with:

1) More practice on increasing their passing skills at faster speed.

2) Learning how to get in the open.

3) Learning how to hit the net in pressure situations.

4) Mobilize the defense as rear forwards.

5) Own the puck = don't give it away.

6)Keep the puck off the boards in the offense zone.

7) Keep it on the boards in the defense zone.

baaaaaa

So basically you've just never played hockey before.

FYI...the crowd is the 26 teams that haven't won the Cup in the last half decade.

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#172 China town man
January 22 2014, 08:37PM
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Dallas Eakin say Chop wood carry water? Chop wood carry water? Wtf the players are not slaves The slogan should be puck in the net fist in your face!!! We are hockey player's

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#173 XL Lebowski
January 22 2014, 08:41PM
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Not really Eakin's fault that Dubnyk and Labarbera crapped the bed early in the year and put us out of the playoffs by Mid October. I heard Trotz threw DD under the bus after just one game in Nashville. This game is all about confidence and our goaltending let us down far too often with soft goals that were devastating to our team's fragile psyche. I think Eakin's gets a mulligan. If we don't improve next year, then we can justifiably let him go.

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#174 Drowning in Oil
January 22 2014, 08:44PM
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THE LAUGHABLE THING IN THIS ENTIRE SITUATION IS HOW IT SEEMS THAT ONLY NOW, WE NEED CONTINUITY. WHY NOT WITH RENNEY, OR PERHAPS WITH KRUGER. IT IS ONLY WHEN CRAIG MACTAVISH GETS HIS HOLD ON THE REINS AND MAKES A MESS OF THE WHOLE THING, THAT CONTINUITY BECOMES AN ISSUE.

IT IS ALL JUST A SMOKE SCREEN BY MANAGEMENT TO COVER THIS COACHING STAFF'S FLAWS FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE!!

THIS ORGANIZATION IS THE BIGGEST JOKE AROUND. NO OTHER ORGANIZATION IN PRO SPORTS WOULD PUT UP WITH THIS MEDIOCRITY!!

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#175 Randaman
January 22 2014, 08:45PM
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Dallylamma wrote:

Trotz: Dubnyk had ‘bad habits’ with Oilers http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/trotz-dubnyk-picked-up-bad-habits-with-oilers/

That is simple. Chabot is useless. Fire him, Bucky & Smith. Let Eakins hire his own staff with guidance of course (experienced communicator & defence specialist) and give them another year. If you think firing Eakins will get this team to the play-offs think again. I knew when this season started we were still at least two or three years away.

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#176 Zarny
January 22 2014, 08:46PM
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BRHLBryce wrote:

Man am I glad I moved 3 years ago and gave up my season tickets (or better yet, stuck my brothers with them).

In Denver I am actually able to go watch a product that is a development of a rebuild done right.

Even though the PLAYERS on the Avalanche blueline aren't better than what Edmonton has (save EJ, who has been a beast this year), they play a team defensive structure, which is foreign to the Oilers (and was here under Sacco).

Goes to show that getting the right coach, and right personel people (whether they are ex players or not) is really important. Whodathunk it?

If Eberle did his defensive zone tap to the middle that gets picked off every time, Roy would stick his ass to the bench.

The only real difference between the Avs and the Oilers is the top pairing D.

Just in case anyone was curious what a real top pairing D can do for a young team.

Erik Johnson is a beast. A 6'4" 232 lb beast who can skate.

Jan Hejda isn't a sexy name, but he's better than any D in Edm. He also happens to be 6'4" 237 lbs.

Roy isn't the difference. Roy's ability to throw Hejda-Johnson out for half the game is.

Eakins gets to counter with Ference-Petry.

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#177 Drowning in Oil
January 22 2014, 08:47PM
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XL Lebowski wrote:

Not really Eakin's fault that Dubnyk and Labarbera crapped the bed early in the year and put us out of the playoffs by Mid October. I heard Trotz threw DD under the bus after just one game in Nashville. This game is all about confidence and our goaltending let us down far too often with soft goals that were devastating to our team's fragile psyche. I think Eakin's gets a mulligan. If we don't improve next year, then we can justifiably let him go.

Wow, ok, so how's the team been lately? Now that Dubnyk is gone, are they winning? Bad argument.

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#178 Mack Strong
January 22 2014, 08:57PM
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pkam wrote:

How do you know the Wings drafted player according to their philosophy and Oilers don't?

If the Wings had any philosophy that is reflected by their drafting, then it is icing European players. If you look at late 90s, 80% of the draft were European.

Do the Oilers have a philosophy? From the drafting, I can see they want to get more skill with the first round pick, and bigger with the remaining picks. You don't see it doesn't mean they don't have a philosophy.

Is the Wings draft much better than us? Yes, I give them credit for picking Datsyuk 6th rounder and Zetterberg 7th rounder. It looks very good. But what happen to the other picks in those 2 years, especially the early rounder? In 1998, they had 10 picks and only Fischer and Datsyuk becomes NHLer. In 1999, the Wings had 6 picks, only Zetterberg.

Only the Wings are developing their young prospect in AHL? Do you know we have a farm team OKC and our young players are developing there? You know we sent Nurse back to junior and Klefbom, Marincin etc to OKC before bring them up to Edmonton? You can argue we shouldn't bring Gagner up so fast, but it was 7 years ago.

Pkam

Do you read the posts or do you just get defensive as soon as you see that people reply to you?

All I was trying to say was Renney went to a team that sees his knowledge and patience and it fit their philosophy.

I never implied that the Oilers don't have a philosophy…i only said that the one they have is very confusing and seems to lack direction.

I don't even know how to address the rest of the vomit you spewed onto that post. So i won't…..

Love the OIL. Love the NATION

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#179 Dave
January 22 2014, 09:19PM
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Rick Stroppel wrote:

BRING BACK KREUGER. SERIOUSLY.

I was driving around this evening and I heard Ralph Krueger interviewed on the radio. It reminded me of what a smart and classy guy he was. It sounded like he still feels very "connected" to the Oilers players. He said he could not bear to watch oilers games, even hilights.

Anyway, this is my constructive suggestion, moving forward. MacTavish contacts Ralph and BEGS him to come back as HC starting next season. If Katz wants to save money on the contract, offer Eakins a new contract as an assistant coach (not associate, he is not good enough). Tony Granato agreed to this when he realized he just wasn't HC material. George Burnett has a better chance of getting another HC job in the NHL than Eakins.

Or maybe just fire Eakins. Wouldn't that make us all feel a lot better. ADIOS, JACKASS! DON'T LET DOOR HIT YA WHERE THE GOOD LORD SPLIT YA!

I have no proof whatsoever but I just have a feeling that Katz had something to do with Kreuger's demise.

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#180 Sid
January 22 2014, 09:19PM
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After 7.5 years of misery Oilers are still an AHL team.

To expect changes for the good is faulty thinking.

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#181 Jerry
January 22 2014, 09:27PM
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I watch the Oilers are none of them know how to play hockey in the NHL. Only players that know how to play come from other teams. This is a disaster oilers ruin hockey players. I really can't see it getting any better.

If I was a young player getting ready to be drafted, I would pray Oilers don't pick me.

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#182 Max
January 22 2014, 09:32PM
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junior wrote:

Broke your heart? Two coaches ago? Are you okay now? Should we hold a vigil for ya? Maybe a fun-run with profits going to your re-hab sessions?

Nut up buttercup, next you'll be regaling us with your thoughts on love story vampire movies...tissue?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, especially on this web site. No one asked for your obtuse, rude reply to my posting. I KNOW Tom Renney, he is a good decent man who was treated VERY badly by ST. Leaving him without a decision on his future for over a month after the season finished was a dirty trick. So YOU suck it up buttercup, get a life and start acting like a decent human being as well. No wonder Oilers' fans are getting a bad name - people like you are the instigators.

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#183 Sevenseven
January 22 2014, 09:38PM
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I just feel bad for anyone who has to head coach this group. Sure there are some talented players but the worst defence in tgr league and a bunch of tiny forwards. I know Mac T likes Eakins, but I hope he sees they need a better assistants. And judging by tge comments out of Nashville, a new goalie coach would be a great start.

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#184 madjam
January 22 2014, 09:45PM
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When you spend 3 years deliberately tanking , while keeping your lineup weak so as the youth develops only a losing attitude and play ,your unlikely to ever get them to develop properly . Defence is of little value throughout entire futility period , but offence has yet to make much progress toward scoring more than the opposition .

Our problem is we still do not create enough offence to win games . We are not outscoring the opposition ! That results in many to most games .

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#185 dougtheslug
January 22 2014, 09:56PM
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Interesting listening to Dave Lumley on Stauffers show today - Stauffer tries to pump Hall's and RNH's and Eberle's tires and Lummer was having none of it even going so far as to say "Taylor Hall has been in the league 4 years now - turnovers in the neutral zone are coachable - if he isn't getting now, is he ever going to get it?"

But hilarity ensues when Stauffer asks him his opinion of Eakins:

DL: (Long, uncomfortable pause) Boy oh boy....well... they've had 5 coaches in 6 years...you put lipstick on a pig it's still a pig....maybe it's the players.... but Dallas comes from the minors, that's my problem with him.... geez, with this "Swarm"....newsflash, Dallas, NHL teams have NHL players, NHL coaches...they're too good...I heard he was arrogant when he came up here...

BS: He's humbler now.... he'll be better a better coach because of this...

DL: I hope so

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#186 Randaman
January 22 2014, 10:37PM
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So what you are is Renney and Krueger likely would of done as well or better then the Coaches they were fired for.

I'd like every single poster on here that screams "yearly" for the coach to be fired to possibly give your head a shake.

ITS NOT THE COACH! its the lack of NHL talent on the Oilers roster. Especially on D.

You must be kidding right? Everyone else on hers honestly believes that Hall, Nuge & Eberle are equal to Crosby, Toews & Kane. They will wake up sooner or later. I am leaning towards later. What a joke

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#187 Jaroslav Pouzar
January 22 2014, 10:51PM
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I know it's off topic but Kassian scoring the GWG yesterday... why are the hockey gods such d_cks?

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#188 Dog Train
January 22 2014, 10:55PM
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I never felt like Renney was given a fair shake. The problem runs deeper than Eakins though. The roster is not good enough. I don't think I need to point out our many deficiencies because they have been beaten to death but until the roster is improved, the coach should not be the scapegoat.

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#189 Retsinnab5
January 22 2014, 10:56PM
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Found this... http://www.jibjab.com/view/laR9kbx0RMa7QVV5WHrNNQ?

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#190 K_Mart
January 22 2014, 11:15PM
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Hall, Nuge, Ebs, Yak, Jultz, Nurse, Perron... These are good pieces. They just aren't as good as many fans originally thought. Combine that with their youth, inexperience, and brutal supporting cast and you get the oilers . Some NHL average offense with nothing else.

At this point... Ekblad this year and McDavid next year would be better for this team than trading Eberle for a short fix that results in more long term failure.

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#191 Chad Bannister
January 22 2014, 11:37PM
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Fish rot from the head! I have seen first hand how an organization changes with a charismatic leader, taken a bunch of individualistic, selfish players and implemented a vision with process in how to win. I also know that when you are in charge and there is no support for change, how ineffective you become. Somewhere, Daryl Katz has got to step in and tell the boyz that this is how we run...this is what we stand for, it is my business, my money, and if you don't agree there is the door. I highly doubt that DAryl got to where he was by not throwing his weight around. I also know, from experience to stick with what you know, If the Oilers were a public company they would make Blackberry look good.

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#192 Alsker
January 22 2014, 11:53PM
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@dougtheslug

Wow some honesty from one of the BOTB...that probably costs lummer an invite to this years xmas party...

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#193 Romanus
January 23 2014, 12:10AM
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Drowning in Oil wrote:

THE LAUGHABLE THING IN THIS ENTIRE SITUATION IS HOW IT SEEMS THAT ONLY NOW, WE NEED CONTINUITY. WHY NOT WITH RENNEY, OR PERHAPS WITH KRUGER. IT IS ONLY WHEN CRAIG MACTAVISH GETS HIS HOLD ON THE REINS AND MAKES A MESS OF THE WHOLE THING, THAT CONTINUITY BECOMES AN ISSUE.

IT IS ALL JUST A SMOKE SCREEN BY MANAGEMENT TO COVER THIS COACHING STAFF'S FLAWS FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE!!

THIS ORGANIZATION IS THE BIGGEST JOKE AROUND. NO OTHER ORGANIZATION IN PRO SPORTS WOULD PUT UP WITH THIS MEDIOCRITY!!

I can't hear you!

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#194 Mac
January 23 2014, 12:43AM
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I thought The Katz letter could have been worded better and pitched with a more empathy for the fans. Still it was a statement from the owner of what his plan is which basically involves staying the course. He's the owner and he gets to decide. That's business. It also clarified who is in charge of this team. I think MacTavish is a smart guy who has been steadily but cautiously improving the roster. The bold moves he promised are simply not out there because he's dealing from a position of extreme weakness with a nervous group of underachievers who haven't figured out how the game is played at the NHL level. I would not want him to deal promising and developing talent away for little return just to sastify angry fans. That said I believed firing Krugeur was a huge mistake from the minute it happened. It demoralized the players who clearly enjoyed playing for him and I believe with Ralph at the helm, their record would have improved this season. Eakins has and continues to make all kind of rookie mistakes but I lets face it management has painted themselves into a corner. Firing Eakins at this stage would likely do more harm than good. I have been a fan from day one and will stick with the Oilers through thick and thin. I'll continue to wear my jersey and you won't be seeing me hurl it on the ice anytime soon. And I won't be suggesting some young player is personally to blame for an Oilers loss. Does the losing hurt? Hell yes it does! But I am willing to give MacT additional time to get it right and hopefully Eakins isn't too proud to admit his mistakes and learn from them. Otherwise, he needs to be shown the door at season' end.

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#195 Hangin@Bangin
January 23 2014, 12:55AM
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What is the mentality here? Yes there has been issues with this club, that's as obvious as Daryl Katz at a Wayne Gretzky fantasy camp. Hmmmm.... Let's do the math :

Coach 1. = FIRED! Coach 2. = FIRED! Coach 3. = Coach 1. + Coach 2. * (30th place) = Probably going to be FIRED!

And what remains constant? One jackass who has filled every single role the team could potentially give him and failed in every facet of the word.

Daryl I know your bedroom is littered with posters from the 80's but god man let's move on and give the next generation something to be proud of, enough is enough.

Sincerely,

The Staged Moon Landing

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#196 SRELIOFAN
January 23 2014, 01:38AM
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I remember watching the interviews and the press conference with Dallas Eakins what feels like a few short months ago... Everyone (even most of the readers on this site, don't forget) was excited about him. He definitely said all of the right things and it was impossible not to get excited. Eakins' talk of 'accountability' and 'compete' were very convincing and I think that's why Mac T hired him. And I don't blame him for it. But when the rubber hit the road, Eakins didn't deliver and that's why he should be fired.

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#197 Rdubb
January 23 2014, 02:39AM
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I've been saying this for yrs now, Renney was easily the Oilers best coach since MacT and he SHOULDN'T been fired when he did, especially with the roster that he had and how young his "stars" were. He did a good job of putting the kids in situations where they could succeed, and they did for the most part, didn't they? Didn't Eberle make the All-Star game that season? Didn't Eberle have his best season as an NHL player? Wasn't that considered Gagners best season as a pro too? Didn't Hall play pretty good hockey, although he suffered a few minor & 1 major injury? Was that not Petry's best season by far? If, if was all the players above best seasons, Renney must have been doing right considering how young these guys where? Tammbi screwed this team in my opinion, and this is just another move that has hurt this team for the future... Also, & I am not sure of this, but wasn't Renney well liked in the room by his playes?

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#198 john
January 23 2014, 02:45AM
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In Edmonton Sun, Eakins admitted that most players said they were used to playing that way last year. So Eakins didn't meet them half way, he wanted them to play this way. Oilers were near the top in power plays and penalty kills, goals against was middle of the pack last year. Now they are dead last in goals against, power plays allowed so many short handed goals against. Second last in NHL, screwing up stars developement. Why don't you just go back to the AHL and sell your swarm defense scheme Eakins, it's not working here.

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#199 john
January 23 2014, 03:06AM
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Eakins, a rookie coach is not happy when Barry Trotz said Dubnyk has bad habits and not playing well. Trotz was right on, look at the Oilers players stats, the whole team is in minus with plus/minus. How is that possible? I have never seen an entire team all minus and allowed 50 more goals scored against than for. How can a team win games that way? Fire Eakins is what people should chant at the game with signs 'Fire Eakins'. We cannot stand to see this losing ways.

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#200 john
January 23 2014, 03:20AM
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You know who is a good coach? Todd Nelson is a good coach, Barons still hanging in there with no stars. They traded Linus Omark their top scorer, yet they are only 4 points from playoff spot. The big club kept taking his players away, yet Nelson still get his players to perform with what they have.

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