KIDS AREN’T GOING TO SOLVE EDMONTON’S DEFENSIVE PROBLEMS

Jonathan Willis
January 23 2014 10:39AM

Going back at least as far as the day the Edmonton Oilers drafted Sam Gagner, fans of the team have been taught to place their reliance in young up-and-comers. 

It is an easy mindset to fall into on defence, where the problems are many and top prospect Aaron Ekblad may join an already strong prospect group at this summer's draft. As tempting as it sounds, general manager Craig MacTavish cannot afford to make the mistake of falling into the trap of thinking the solution is youth.

The primary problem has to do with timelines. 

Edmonton's NHL team has been in rebuild for a long time. Whether one subscribes to the party-approved line that the rebuild started with the drafting of Taylor Hall in 2010 or instead places the date at Chris Pronger's departure for Anaheim, futility has been the order of the day for far too long. The fans are unruly, and the only way to turn it around is with winning.

Another factor is what Lowetide likes to call the heart of the order - players like Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and the like - who are now established as NHL players. Hall's being paid to produce like a first-liner, as is right wing Jordan Eberle. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins will join them next season. These players are tremendously talented and entering the prime years of their careers but if they aren't supported - and soon - the Oilers run the risk of losing them. Edmonton has already lost the cheapest years for that trio, which poses its own problem (Chicago won the first Stanley Cup for the modern era Blackhawks while Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane were still on their entry-level deals).

So with the clock running on its young stars and the fanbase's mood already turned to ugly, the Oilers have to start making considerable progress right now. To do that, they need good defencemen. 

Time & Opportunity 

There may not be a steeper learning curve at any position in hockey than there is on defence and the examples of players really putting things together after two, three or even four seasons of NHL hockey abound. Additionally, an organization can only devote so much space to prospect defencemen if they want to win.

A good example is the Oklahoma City Barons. At the start of the year the team's defence was pegged as a great strength and why not - with some strong second-year pros (Martin Marincin, Taylor Fedun, Brad Hunt and Brandon Davidson), a guy the Oilers felt might be NHL-ready (Oscar Klefbom), an actual NHL'er (Philip Larsen) and some extremely talented rookies (Martin Gernat and David Musil) pushing for time the Barons should have been set; they could ice two top pairings, and force the kids to fight with older guys like Hunt and Davidson for ice time

It hasn't worked out that way. Call-ups and injuries and regression (particularly on the part of Davidson) mean that for much of the year the Barons have relied on three rookies - one for each pairing. That's not a problem for the Oilers - these guys need at-bats and the AHL is a developmental league - but it's a big part of the reason who the Barons are four points out of a playoff spot.

The NHL is even more punishing. Oilers fans have seen first hand how a defenceman coming off college and an incredibly dominant AHL run struggled to adapt to second-pair and now first-pair minutes. They saw Ladislav Smid find his way in the majors after being pushed there well before he was ready.

Edmonton doesn't have a top-pairing defenceman right now. Even if Schultz is penciled in for a top-pair role next season on the assumption that he can handle it, the Oilers need a top-pair guy to complement him. Andrew Ference isn't that guy, and it's crazy to think Darnell Nurse or Oscar Klefbom or Martin Marincin or Aaron Ekblad will be either. The first three (and the fourth, if drafted) may evolve into the role but the Oilers need is immediate. 

As it is, phasing in prospects like those listed above (to say nothing of Gernat or Musil or Dillon Simpson) is going to result in growing pains, which means the Oilers will need to lean on experienced guys who can play hard minutes to off-set the talented youth. Jeff Petry and Andrew Ference might be those guys on the lower pairs, but there has to be somebody topside who can cast a long shadow for the other pairs while they figure things out. The Oilers don't have anybody like that, and may not for years.

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#1 Mitch
January 23 2014, 10:50AM
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OT:

I'm watching TSN regarding Seahawks Sherman's rant. They go on to say Sherman is the most articulate athlete in sports. I really wonder if TSN would say this about a white player. TSN does not even know how racist that statement was.

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#2 Mitch
January 23 2014, 11:13AM
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Mack Strong wrote:

What the H E double hockey sticks are you talking about???

How is that racist!!??

Nevermind i don't want to hear anything else come out of your mouth….

It is racist because you would never describe a white athlete as the most articulate player in sports. You describe a black player in those terms as if your shocked or white guilt. Either way your not treating the black player as an equal.

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#3 Greg
January 23 2014, 10:45AM
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I don't understand why everyone is so high on Aaron Ekblad . They make it sound like a given he #1 D-man.

Aaron Ekblad comparables in the NHL are Chris Phillips/Brent Seabrook.

From what i have read Nurse has a higher upside and higher downside compared to Ekblad.

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#4 bluetada
January 23 2014, 01:44PM
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Would Perron + Gagner get Ott + Erhoff ?

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#5 bazmagoo
January 23 2014, 04:33PM
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So much negativity on Oilers Nation today, don't think I've ever seen so many trashes of comments!

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#6 Mustangheart
January 23 2014, 03:50PM
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DisappointedFan wrote:

The real question you should ask is, can we get Penner for less than a 1st, a 2nd and a prospect?

Penner was the most useless Oilers in the franchise history especially when you have a guy with his size and weight. Can't skate, doesn't hit, doesn't stand in front of the goalie to screen. Absolutely useless.

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#7 Jesse
January 23 2014, 04:04PM
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Eberle for Sean Couturier

David Perron for Adam Larsson.

These moves would make oilers a much better team in the future.

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#8 Arius Mumin
January 23 2014, 12:29PM
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I hate Liberals.

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#9 Will
January 23 2014, 10:51AM
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Do everything to sign Callahan and Matt Moulson if they go to free agency. With that you have trade options on the right wing.

I like having the depth of defensive prospects, but I wouldn't be sad to see one of them traded out to net even more help on D.

I get the feeling after the draft, having Nurse and Ekblad as our top 2 defensive prospects will give us depth at that position for a lot of years.

With Moulson and Callahan, you balance out the top 6 a little bit more, push everyone on the defensive depth chart down one peg, add some much needed veteran leadership, and allow say Klefbomb and one of Yak or Ebs to be traded for either a top 2 D man, or a legit 2nd line centre with size and skill.

Although, I'd be fine with our second line being Arcobello, Perron, Callahan.

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#10 Johe
January 23 2014, 12:18PM
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I don't think Ehrhoff is the answer. The contract is just too long. I would take aim at Giordano, although that's probably a pipe dream. I would even offer Gagner, Klefbom. Then in the offseason, sign either Girardi(preferred) or Orpik. Draft Ekblad. Then your depth chart looks like this:

Giordano Girardi

Ference Petry

Marincin Schultz

Belov

Send Nurse and Ekblad back to junior. Gernat, Musil, and Fedun continue to develop in AHL.

But alas, this is in a world where good things happen to the Oilers. AKA, not this world. But while we're daydreaming, how 'bout we sign Bolland, Winnik, Moulson, Ott, and Hiller.

Depth chart:

Hall Bolland Eberle

Moulson Nugent-Hopkins Perron

Winnik Ott Yakupov

Hendricks Gordon Arco

Gazdic Joensuu Pitlick

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#11 Show me da Money
January 23 2014, 11:45AM
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Trading a seasoned defenceman will accomplish two things in one swipe.

Firstly, you need to trade value for value. No one in their right mind will hand one over for less.

The only value we have is one of our core rookies. We have what? Five or six of the same?

Eberle might have the most value of the tradeable players. Yak has a bad reputation already so he's already less valued although I think he has a huge upside down the road.

Trade Eberle. You get a decent player on defence and almost as important is that it sends a message to the youngsters that NOBODY is more valuable than the team. You don't think that won't get players attention?

These guys get their five or six million dollars a year whether they coast or go balls to the wall.

Trade Eberle.

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#12 Jesse
January 23 2014, 04:12PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

Yea because it would guarantee picking first overall for another 5 years.

No this is how you build a team. Obviously these trades won't happen. But will bet you within 2 years you could only wish to have these players.

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#13 DisappointedFan
January 23 2014, 01:45PM
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@A-Mc

If Gagner returns more than a 3rd rounder and Draisaitls jock-strap I would be surprised.

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#14 Danger Pay
January 23 2014, 10:54AM
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Why can't the Oilers develop their own defensemen? It's not like top end Dmen are lining up to play for the Oilers. Which current NHL #1 or #2 D-man would come to Edmonton Via Trade or FA? Stay the course draft D-men, Goalies, Big Forwards and don't rush but Develop them!!!!!!!!!

B/C news flash everyone... The Oilers will miss the Playoffs next year too!

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#15 Rick Stroppel
January 23 2014, 07:36PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Mustangheart wrote:

Penner was the most useless Oilers in the franchise history especially when you have a guy with his size and weight. Can't skate, doesn't hit, doesn't stand in front of the goalie to screen. Absolutely useless.

I completely agree. I especially hated the lack of heart he showed in leading the Oilers' in scoring by 22 points in 2009-10 when Pat Quinn and Steve Tambellini ran the franchise into the dirt.

It takes a real lack of character to show up when the team's imploding like that. I think it's the same lack of character that had Penner playing important minutes for two Stanley cup winners.

DUSTIN PENNER? IS THIS A JOKE?

Dustin Penner is a 230 pound man who plays like a 165 pound man.

I do not get a chance to attend many games in person these days. About six years ago I saw Edmonton play Vancouver, right toward the end of the season, when the team still had an outside chance to make the playoffs. Penner was invisible, hugging the boards, afraid to go anywhere where someone might run into him. I asked another fan, is he injured? They said no, he plays like that all the time.

I have a theory about Penners' signing. Call me crazy. I don't think Lowe scouted him and I don't think Lowe wanted him to play for the Oilers. The whole point of the exercise was to make Burke overpay for Penner. Lowe wanted to get revenge on Burke because Burke fleeced him in the Pronger deal.

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#16 A-Mc
January 23 2014, 01:43PM
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Also!

What if the oilers keep their #2 pick but trade a roster player for the #8 in an attempt to get both Ekblad AND Draisaitl?

Does Gagner get you a #8 pick? Does Gagner get you anything in the 1st round at all?

And would you rather have a Draisaitl at 2C or Gagner?

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#17 vinotintazo
January 23 2014, 03:45PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

Yea another soft winger is exactly what the Oilers need...

better than johensuu

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#18 Jackson
January 23 2014, 10:59AM
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Oilers ruin young players does not matter who they draft.

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#19 Jerry
January 23 2014, 11:50AM
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JW,

I watch the Oilers are none of them know how to play hockey in the NHL. Only players that know how to play come from other teams. This is a disaster oilers ruin hockey players. I really can't see it getting any better.

If I was a young player getting ready to be drafted, I would pray Oilers don't pick me.

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#20 Jackson
January 23 2014, 12:16PM
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The Oiler defense is the worst in the NHL.

Oiler goaltending is sub par

None of the so called "elite players" are getting better.

Do you see a problem Daryl?

OILERS RUIN HOCKEY PLAYERS.

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#21 Rama Lama
January 23 2014, 12:20PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

The team needs to find a stop-gap, a guy like Ehrhoff or Campbell or Byfuglien who won't fill the job permanently but can stop the bleeding for a while and buy time for the guys who eventually replace him.

Really JW?

Come on man, we can stop-gap with a buttery soft d-man in Erhoff, a small midget with Campbell, or a sieve like Byfuglien?

NO thanks! I would much rather endure the pain and build our own than trading away our youth for marginal upgrades. UFA is the only option if we can get someone on a reasonable deal........not like the Clarkson deal which in my opinion will hog tie the Leafs for a few years. This has to be the best thing that ever happened to Edmonton ( not sigining Clarkson) .......we dodged a bullet there!

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#22 Walter Sobchak
January 23 2014, 01:34PM
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The Oilers will draft Ekblad because they are in such a mess. ( they should be looking hard at DalColle Draisaitl or Reinheart ) .

My take.

Draft a centre because when it comes down to the top 5 players being extremely close in projection & skill you alway should draft the centre.

This is despite what the Oilers need, the hardest position to fill are skilled centre's and they rarely get traded.

These players tend fit into the line up quicker then a defensmen.

This free's up Gagner to be used as trade, this way the Oilers are not taking from Peter to pay Paul as someone mentioned earlier.

The Oilers can trade there pick move back & still acquire & skilled centre.

What I Think the Oilers actually do.

Draft Ekblad

Slam Nurse into a hole in the line up.

Trade Gagner.

Try to fill a new hole at centre with ether Hall or Arcobelo

The Oilers will go whale hunting this summer come up with like type players with the ones that left creating the same team again.

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#23 gm_armchair
January 23 2014, 10:51AM
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I heard Jason Strudwick mention on his show last night that Dan Girardi might become expendable by the Rangers now that they traded for Klein who plays a similar role. Girardi while not a true top pairing guy, would still fit in very nicely and bring some much needed veteran leadership in the Oilers top four. I wonder what it would take to trade for that guy..

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#24 bluetada
January 23 2014, 11:16AM
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Mitch wrote:

OT:

I'm watching TSN regarding Seahawks Sherman's rant. They go on to say Sherman is the most articulate athlete in sports. I really wonder if TSN would say this about a white player. TSN does not even know how racist that statement was.

Racist ? Really ? I don't recall anyone calling VP Joe Biden or U.S. Senate majority leader Harry Reid racists when they used exactly that word to describe Barack Obama. Or maybe you subscribe to the theory that Liberals can do no wrong.

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#25 oilerjed
January 23 2014, 11:30AM
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@ JW

There was an article about bringing Harti back the other day. I was wondering if Teemu has had anything to say about this year?

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#26 michael
January 23 2014, 11:46AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

The team needs to find a stop-gap, a guy like Ehrhoff or Campbell or Byfuglien who won't fill the job permanently but can stop the bleeding for a while and buy time for the guys who eventually replace him.

Robbing Peter to pay Paul what it amounts to what your suggesting. any one of those players is going to cost you considerable assets to obtain.

If one of those assets is Bennet,Eckblad or Rheinhart is it not taking 2 steps back to go 2 steps forward?

I can't but help wondering if we spite our nose to save our face if it helps in the long term anyways?

The rebuild is in MacT's hands. My opinion is such that we have 3 years more before we can even think we have a shot at winning more than a round in the playoffs.

Hall,RNH and Yak and Ebs will all be in their prime at that point.I just can't see wasting assets on defenceman who may not be here when we start winning.

I believe that MacT wll find at least 2 NHL defencemen this summer. We certainly need more seasoned NHL defencemen.That is a given. Heck we need more seasoned forwards. Halland EBs are certainly rounding into form. Given time RNH and Yak will be up there too.

Suck it up and let MacT do his thing.Good cripes you'd think he was only on the job for less than a year. Have some patience. Tambo wasted 3 years doing nothing. MacT at least does something.

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#27 2004Z06
January 23 2014, 12:15PM
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michael wrote:

Robbing Peter to pay Paul what it amounts to what your suggesting. any one of those players is going to cost you considerable assets to obtain.

If one of those assets is Bennet,Eckblad or Rheinhart is it not taking 2 steps back to go 2 steps forward?

I can't but help wondering if we spite our nose to save our face if it helps in the long term anyways?

The rebuild is in MacT's hands. My opinion is such that we have 3 years more before we can even think we have a shot at winning more than a round in the playoffs.

Hall,RNH and Yak and Ebs will all be in their prime at that point.I just can't see wasting assets on defenceman who may not be here when we start winning.

I believe that MacT wll find at least 2 NHL defencemen this summer. We certainly need more seasoned NHL defencemen.That is a given. Heck we need more seasoned forwards. Halland EBs are certainly rounding into form. Given time RNH and Yak will be up there too.

Suck it up and let MacT do his thing.Good cripes you'd think he was only on the job for less than a year. Have some patience. Tambo wasted 3 years doing nothing. MacT at least does something.

I can guarantee you that if this current debacle continues at this pace at least two of, RNH, Hall, Yakupov, Eberle will have requested a trade. I presume Yakupov will be the first followed shortly after by Hall.

Making a bold move shows both the team and the fans that this organization is actually committed to improving.

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#28 Walter Sobchak
January 23 2014, 01:53PM
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A-Mc wrote:

I feel like there are only 2 options for the Oilers at this year's draft: Ekblad or Draisaitl. Ekblad is clearly a decent pickup, all you need to do is watch him play. Draisaitl on the other hand, isn't as obvious and IMO is only up in the top 10 because of his size + Position.

If there is a way the Oilers can draft Draisaitl at a lower number and somehow get something for trading their #1/2 position, then that could be an option.

BUT!

Let's say in this fantasy scenario that Draisaitl will go 8th and the Oilers trade #2 for #8. What, in return, can a team realistically expect in trading the #2 spot for a #8 spot?

Is the return + a 2nd rnder? + a player? + prospect? both picks are top 10 so really... What is the expected return on doing something like this and is it worth the gamble of missing out on your guy at 8th (What if calgary takes him at #3!!!?!?!!?)

You shouldn't over look both Bennett & DalColle both have better numbers then Draisaitl.

Both I believe are a year younger? I'd have to look that up.

When I say trade down we're talking a spot or two.

Ekblad will be very good D-Man and wouldn't be terrible upset if they took him, it just adds years to the rebuild.

The Oilers have to Get better players, keep better players and develop better players.

They are not doing that well.

They need to trade Gagner, I like Gagner + a prospect for big buff.

I would also trade Peron, he's not on a long contract, he has top value, likely won't resign.

Could sell very high on him.

Re-sign Hemsky & Perons position is filled internally.

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#29 Ed in Edmonton
January 23 2014, 01:54PM
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A-Mc wrote:

Also!

What if the oilers keep their #2 pick but trade a roster player for the #8 in an attempt to get both Ekblad AND Draisaitl?

Does Gagner get you a #8 pick? Does Gagner get you anything in the 1st round at all?

And would you rather have a Draisaitl at 2C or Gagner?

At this point Gagner is a negative asset. He is only tradeable if you take somebody else's problem back. Kind of like the Del Zotto/Klein trade yesterday.

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#30 DisappointedFan
January 23 2014, 03:22PM
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@pkam

The real question you should ask is, can we get Penner for less than a 1st, a 2nd and a prospect?

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#31 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
January 23 2014, 10:49AM
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Greg wrote:

I don't understand why everyone is so high on Aaron Ekblad . They make it sound like a given he #1 D-man.

Aaron Ekblad comparables in the NHL are Chris Phillips/Brent Seabrook.

From what i have read Nurse has a higher upside and higher downside compared to Ekblad.

Yeah - I hate 2-time Stanley Cup winning, olympic gold medalist, 40-point scoring defencemen like Brent Seabrook.

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#32 etownman
January 23 2014, 11:15AM
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Two solid veteran defensive d-men is what the Oil need right now! They have excellent young defencemen who will develop into those #1 or #2 d-men! We all know we're a couple years away from making noise so don't waste the young offensive talent up front for a quick fix! Two solid, veteran defensive would fit quite nice at this point & of course the #1 item in my books would be a startning #1 goaltender!

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#33 GlennH
January 23 2014, 11:54AM
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Everyone who thinks Shea Weber is not going anywhere, needs to remember that Gretzky was thought to be untouchable. I'm not saying the Oilers have even the slightest chance of grabbing Weber - my point is that everyone is available, for the right price... A top NHL defender's starting price is at least a player like Eberle...

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#34 CaptainLander
January 23 2014, 12:05PM
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I have a question. If Mac T asked around to teams out there "what will you give me for Yak and 2014 1st? rounded" (hypothetically say it is after the lottery and the Oil select 2nd overall). Mac T is looking for a top paring d-man with size, experience and can play for at least 4 more good years. Who do you think would be available? Is that player worth moving these two players for?

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#35 DisappointedFan
January 23 2014, 02:08PM
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@A-Mc

Missed games are missed games, he has played 1 - 48 game season which was the closest to a full season he's played yet. Regardless of injury prone he still makes every other point glaringly clear with his play this year.

I'm not talking when Gregor or Stauffer are talking because they all see Gagner as an asset. I'm talking when they bring in radio hosts from other cities or GMs from other cities or people from TSN or CBC, the people who have an unbiased opinion of the Oilers.

It would be like trying to sell you on Artem Anisimov being traded for a first rounder

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#36 Mustangheart
January 23 2014, 03:47PM
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vinotintazo wrote:

A bit off topic, but what do you guys think of ryan jones latetly? hes been good at least for a 4rth line guy, he can't score a lot but hes an energy guy that can kill penalties and is a good guy in the room.

Is he on hes way out this year? or would we resign him?

I really like Jones and his efforts not to back down. It's normal that he was a bit slow coming out of the gate with his eye injury, but he's fine to "rock n roll".

Right now I would not touch the 4th line. They are doing just fine. Get what we can for Smyth, Gagner and Hemsky. Toss in a couple from the Barons and even our draft picks.

I am one who would not touch Hall, Eberle, RNH J Shultz or Perron. That should remain our core in which to build upon. If we need to get a top 4 defenseman, (which we are in dire need of) the 1st round pick of this year, providing we get a certified defenseman or duo in the trade.

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#37 Spydyr
January 23 2014, 11:11AM
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pkam wrote:

I'll take Seabrook, but I would rather have Keith, and Keith only cost the team a 2nd rounder.

The Oilers cannot draft any worthwhile players outside of round one. That is why they trade away all their second and third round draft picks for quick fixes.

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#38 Yaz
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I have said it before, do not let these coaches near any more prospects or call ups or trades for that matter. The team has clearly quit trying other than the odd burst of individual effort. That is a result of the coaches being unable to develop a system that suits the current roster, might not be perfect but the coaches aren't smart enough to adapt..Get rid of them quickly, 50 points for this season is a dream and they will achieve the same next year.

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#39 Joe Mamma
January 23 2014, 12:26PM
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Striker wrote:

@Mitch @Mack Strong @ Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things @bluetada @oilerjed

I think Mitch's idea about the word "articulate" being used is analagous to the "well spoken" adjective being used to describe Colin Powell in this commentary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj050bz-k9o

@everybody involved in this discussion:

What the hell does this have to do with this article? I'm sure there is a TSN board or something on the subject where this moronic discussion with racist undertones would be better suited.

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#40 DisappointedFan
January 23 2014, 01:53PM
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@A-Mc

I see Chicago giving MacT a call because Gagner and Kane did so well in junior. Besides that, what team wants an undersized overpaid 2nd line centermen who can't win draws, has not tallied more than 49 points, is consistently injured, and plays a poor defensive zone game. That isn't my opinion, that is the opinion of other teams around the league who talk to our talk show hosts.

I would say if anything we overvalue him because he's not a quality 2nd Line NHL player.

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#41 bluetada
January 23 2014, 02:01PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

You shouldn't over look both Bennett & DalColle both have better numbers then Draisaitl.

Both I believe are a year younger? I'd have to look that up.

When I say trade down we're talking a spot or two.

Ekblad will be very good D-Man and wouldn't be terrible upset if they took him, it just adds years to the rebuild.

The Oilers have to Get better players, keep better players and develop better players.

They are not doing that well.

They need to trade Gagner, I like Gagner + a prospect for big buff.

I would also trade Peron, he's not on a long contract, he has top value, likely won't resign.

Could sell very high on him.

Re-sign Hemsky & Perons position is filled internally.

Perron is signed for 3 more years at AAV around $3.8 which only increases his trade value. The question is could the Oilers replace him by signing Hemmer to a 3/4 year extension at that price ? Makes sense if we can't get decent trade value for Hemmer.

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#42 pkam
January 23 2014, 03:16PM
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How much will Gagner get? Nobody really knows.

4 years ago, Garbagekov got us a 2nd rounder. An aged and slow overpaid Staios got us a 3rd rounder and Aaron Johnson. And Penner got us a 1st, a 2nd and a prospect.

2011, Cogliano got us a 2nd rounder.

Last season, we got Mike Brown for a 4th rounder.

Earlier this year, Mike Brown got us a 4th rounder.

At trade deadline last season, the Sharks got 2 2nd rounders for Doug Murray.

I don't how much the other teams are willing to pay, but I am not trading him away for just a 3rd rounder.

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#43 DisappointedFan
January 23 2014, 03:47PM
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@pkam

Sorry I guess I needed more sarcasm on that post. Although, for all his dogging it and slow on ice play, he was a big body and could out-muscle guys while putting up 40 points. Which does fit the bill on what the Oilers are looking for.

His biggest attribute that teams want is size and some performance, he brings that. He won't win fastest skater or silkiest mitts but he does provide something they don't have.

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#44 Reggie
January 23 2014, 03:50PM
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Oilers are here whether we blame X or Y. Oilers are probably 3-4 years away from making the playoffs. I think it is time Oilers start building a TEAM. We don't need an All-Star team.

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#45 pkam
January 23 2014, 11:09AM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

Yeah - I hate 2-time Stanley Cup winning, olympic gold medalist, 40-point scoring defencemen like Brent Seabrook.

I'll take Seabrook, but I would rather have Keith, and Keith only cost the team a 2nd rounder.

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#47 camdog
January 23 2014, 11:40AM
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@Armchair GMing

Those are just excuses used by the pro Lander group. Those in the know say that Lander's foot speed is what has been holding him back.

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#48 Fish
January 23 2014, 12:12PM
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We do need at least one veteran minute muncher.

D Roster, Erhoff - Petry Ferrence - Ekblad or JS Jr. Stay at home Vet type - Schultz Jr./Ekblad

For me the trade chip is a Klefbom, Gagner, Hemmer, Schultz Sr. and Smyth.

Obviously we're not getting a 1D from a playoff pushing team for a Hemmer or Smyth. But, if we can parlay those players into a 1st (please have a good Olympics) and 3rd type return (or another good young prospect) we can add those to the trading chip pile of Gagner, Klefbom, (plus those parlayed returns. Hopefully we can turn those into an Erhoff type of LD.

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#49 K_Mart
January 23 2014, 12:25PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

The team needs to find a stop-gap, a guy like Ehrhoff or Campbell or Byfuglien who won't fill the job permanently but can stop the bleeding for a while and buy time for the guys who eventually replace him.

I agree the team needs a stop-gap, but I don't agree that the right decision is to break up the core and deal one of Eberle, Hall, Nuge, Yak, or J. Schultz.

I subscribe to selling high, don't most people? Do you think those core pieces I just mentioned have value on the market that is at it's peak? Maybe their value stays the same, but it certainly isn't about to drop any time soon.

There is one player on the oilers who is worth more right now than he will ever be worth again... One player who's value is at its Peak: David Perron. He has been better than anyone in oil country could have expected and if ever there is going to be a time to move him, that time is now. If a package involving Perron can bring in one of Hamonic, Roman Josi, Brodin, MacDonald, Mcdonagh, or another d man that is under 30 than great. That basically means we traded MPS for our top d man.

If you're screaming that Perron is way too valuable to move, than you're reinforcing my point of how highly people value him right now. Higher now than he ever will be again.

I might argue Perron can get close to as much as Eberle or more because he brings a nastiness that Eberle doesn't have, his contract is much lower, and he's right behind Eberle offensively. But in the long term, eberle is more valuable to this team than Perron.

Stay the course. It's the right decision, and it's the best course of action. If you're worried that hall's contract will be up by the time we make the playoffs, than there's no hope for you. You can't let the fear of losing Hall dictate how this team is managed. Thinking like that will just get the oilers in more trouble.

Move Hemsky, Perron, and Gagner if you can get fair value.

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#50 A-Mc
January 23 2014, 12:35PM
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In all honesty i don't see much happening with the Oilers this summer in terms of real needs.

I think they re-sign either Bryz or Scrivens (or both) for short 1-2yr deals.

I think they find a way to trade for 1x 4/5 defenseman using rental players or low end guys.

And i think the Oilers draft Ekblad.

There may be a few more changes, but they'll likely be in the realm of shuffling deck chairs.

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