Martin Marincin good, too much else bad

Jonathan Willis
January 24 2014 10:55PM

 

Martin Marincin continues to impress just over 100 games into his professional career. He was asked to take on heavy minutes in the Oilers' 4-3 loss to Phoenix on Friday, and unlike so many others on the team he didn't disappoint. 

Marincin picked up his first career NHL point against the Coyotes and played a career-high 23:53, the third time in the last six games that the rookie has topped the 20:00 mark. He finished the game plus-one, which makes him one of very few Oilers to be a plus on the season. The Oilers were excellent with him on the ice, out-chancing Phoenix 8-3 when he skated at even-strength. He was a bright spot in a loss, and he's been a bright spot in a losing season. 

Scoring Chances & Brief Thoughts

  • The Oilers' top line had a pretty good evening, all things considered. Or, at least, they did at even-strength - those kids also powered a misfiring power play that failed to manage even one chance per opportunity and went 0-for-6 in the goals department.
  • The second line was a problem. Ryan Smyth has been good in a third line role and showed flashes, but his foot speed is a problem on a scoring line and without any kind of shot he seems better off in the bottom-six. This is particularly so when Sam Gagner continues to flounder.
  • Matt Hendricks took three penalties but looked good when he wasn't offending the officials. The third line overall, as it has been for much of this season, was a strength. 
  • It was a mixed night from the fourth line. Mark Arcobello is a favourite but had a quiet evening, while both Nail Yakupov and Jesse Joensuu had nice offensive moments and bad defensive moments.
  • Andrew Ference left the game early and Justin Schultz's transition to low-event play in major minutes continues. Mostly, the defence wasn't terrible against Phoenix - though Anton Belov sticks out like a sore thumb, doesn't he?
  • Ilya Bryzgalov was awful. He faced 11 scoring chances total on the night and surrendered four goals and two posts. The Oilers made quite a few mistakes against the Coyotes but if they'd had even semi-competent goaltending they would likely have earned at least a point.
  • Also: be sure to check out Lowetide's look this evening at Aaron Ekblad. 

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#51 Randaman
January 25 2014, 10:15AM
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Hey JW, any more updates on the progress of Klefbom since returning from injury?

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#52 He Who Knows
January 25 2014, 10:17AM
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Neven wrote:

Lowe Must Go!!!!!

Who is trashing this dude's comments???? Sick, twisted people out there. Maybe it's the paid shills trashing comments that speak the truth about how fans feel.

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#53 I AM KEVIN L.
January 25 2014, 10:20AM
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Another loss.........6th in a row --> Was that another "moral" victory?

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#54 tileguy
January 25 2014, 10:23AM
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Hendricks, Gordon and Jones sgould be left together to build chemistry. They make an excellent shurdown 3rd line, with passion, grit, enforcing, skating, smarts and will chip in with a few goals. 1st and 3rd line set, now some serious work on the second and defence.

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#55 MessyEH
January 25 2014, 10:29AM
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Before they fire Eakins, they should fire Bucky, Smith and the damn goalie coach. Let Eakins hire his own assistants.

The only way that ever happens is when Lowe is removed from this operation.

I'll give MacT and Eakins a fair chance.

But Lowes gotta go.

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#57 Oil Is My Blood
January 25 2014, 10:38AM
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Here's the new chant I'd like to hear at Rexall

Eakins Must Go!!

monotone, only please

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#58 fasteddy
January 25 2014, 10:38AM
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Im likely as big a MacT fan as there is, but I truly believe he jumped the gun in hiring Eakins. MacT, I beg you, swallow a little pride and can this guy......we will forgive you, I promise!

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#59 oilersd
January 25 2014, 10:44AM
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dman wrote:

Yak could not have played in the AHL last season.

I stand corrected. But my point is that he was pushed into the majors too soon and it shows this season. I maintain that he will persevere and just needs time and a more experienced and defensive 2nd line to play with.

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#60 MessyEH
January 25 2014, 10:54AM
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Please list the 1st overalls who have been sent to the minors.

(Hint... it is a very,very short list.)

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#61 oilersd
January 25 2014, 10:57AM
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Eakins is not the problem! Let him continue to build a program and teach these kids the NHL game. The Oilers need a better mix of size and offensive/defensive players in their top six. MacT is the one who needs to step up. When he stated that bold moves were necessary he was correct. Just easier said than done. Give this group a little more time. Patience is a virtue. Do you know why patience is a virtue? Because it is hard. But it usually bears out in the end. Kinda like why most people with money worked and saved for it rather than winning the lotto.

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#62 Rama Lama
January 25 2014, 10:58AM
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Damn that Eakins is doing a splendid job with one player..........every player has regressed and looks tentative but least Eakins has managed to make MM look good!

This is what happens when the coach is obsessed with making the players fit the system in stead of making the system fit the players. By turning off Marincins offence, he is looking sound defensively. Now if Eakins can figure out how to make our highly skilled offensive players score again, maybe we can win a game or two?

IMHO Eberle needs another tool in his tool box.........the guy needs to learn how to one-time the puck. Every game he gets passes on his off-side in front of the net and he feels compelled to wait out the goaltender and wrist it into a very small opening??? HE has made himself very predictiable and every goalie know what he is going to do!

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#63 Danger Pay
January 25 2014, 11:02AM
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book¡e wrote:

Wait, now the building is making them lose? Now I have heard everything

I have been in about 15 NHL buildings both old and new and find that watching the game is pretty similar in all of them (with the exception of MLG where I had to look around a support post). The difference between buildings is mostly in the concession area.

The losing culture has nothing to do with the city or the building.

Congratulations, you've watched games at other arena's. But did you go to the locker rooms to get interviews a those 15 Buildings? I've heard, that behind the scenes at Rexall is "Dusty""Old" " Dingy" and " Played Out".

When a business is run in an Old, Out Dated Building your telling me it doesn't have an overall effect on the business or it's employees? I'm pretty sure everyone would rather come to work in a building constructed in 2016, and was Clean, Modern, Fresh and Updated as apposed to 1977, Old, Dingy, Dusty,Overall Embarrassing.

Ray Ferraro has said, On Air " He can feel the negative energy when he enters the building" I was hoping JW could confirm what Ferraro has experienced as plausible or BS.

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#64 Bucknuck
January 25 2014, 11:22AM
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If your goalie lets in a bunch of easy shots in this league, you are most likely going to lose. I understand why MacT is spending so much energy on the goalie position, because without it you are dead in the water.

I actually thought the Oilers played pretty well, except Bryz, who seemed better later on in the game, but by then it was too late. The goalies have lost a lot of gmaes for the Oil this year, but can't remember them stealing any.

They are due.

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#65 Hall the time
January 25 2014, 11:28AM
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My list of players that I would not trade has shrunk a lot this year.

With the coach's not doing their job's I'm willing to trade Ebs, Yak, JSchultz, Kefblom, Nurse and any first round picks away, not because I don't like them or think they cant become great players, it's because they can't do it here theirs no development going on here at all.

Sure Halls doing good but I'm sure he's put it on himself to get better no matter what we need a whole team like him but we don't so that's where coaching comes in.

Oil need Vets ASPA so they can make our coach's look like they know what their doing.

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#66 @Oilanderp
January 25 2014, 11:38AM
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Oilglob wrote:

All those fans that think it is worth keeping Eakins next year.....please stand up and be counted so that when the chaos continues next year you can pat your self on the back for stopping progress dead....

*sigh*

*stands up*

Have you ever considered the possibility that the players might have something to do with the on-ice product?

I imagine these players to be like spoiled brats who have managed to get all of their previous babysitters fired. They are great in front of their mommy and daddy and they say all the right things. As soon as the parents go out for dinner BAM! it's babysitter hell. They do whatever they want whenever they want and how can you blame them? Mommy and daddy continue to blame the babysitter. They are never punished or held accountable.

I hope for once these babies are made to understand that they are going to have to learn to play a 200ft game, and that crying and pouting to get the babysitter fired simply won't work anymore. It's time for mommy and daddy's little superstars to grow up.

There. I stood up to be counted.

They're just not very good at hockey against the best in the world right now. See you next year.

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#67 Johnnydapunk
January 25 2014, 11:38AM
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Danger Pay wrote:

Congratulations, you've watched games at other arena's. But did you go to the locker rooms to get interviews a those 15 Buildings? I've heard, that behind the scenes at Rexall is "Dusty""Old" " Dingy" and " Played Out".

When a business is run in an Old, Out Dated Building your telling me it doesn't have an overall effect on the business or it's employees? I'm pretty sure everyone would rather come to work in a building constructed in 2016, and was Clean, Modern, Fresh and Updated as apposed to 1977, Old, Dingy, Dusty,Overall Embarrassing.

Ray Ferraro has said, On Air " He can feel the negative energy when he enters the building" I was hoping JW could confirm what Ferraro has experienced as plausible or BS.

I honestly don't think it's the building being dusty or anything like that. It had a major renovation in 1994, and due to the design which is yes a slightly dated "style" is quite good at making an atmosphere, meaning the sound goes where it is supposed to so it's quite loud as a result.

There was a study done on it between 2006-08 by the architects HOK who stated that the building is surprisingly well maintained for a building that age. There are issues of course with the building, but it's more stuff that is fan related, like the concourse is too small, not enough washrooms things like that.

But all the losing stuff has little to do with the building, it's a result of comedy bad defence, nepotistic "leadership" and a losing mentality that is hard to shake.

The Ferraro comment wasn't meant to be taken literally, it's like saying someone has a positive vibe or whatever, it's just the Oil always losing doesn't make a terribly happy atmosphere.

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#68 oilersd
January 25 2014, 11:56AM
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@Oilanderp wrote:

*sigh*

*stands up*

Have you ever considered the possibility that the players might have something to do with the on-ice product?

I imagine these players to be like spoiled brats who have managed to get all of their previous babysitters fired. They are great in front of their mommy and daddy and they say all the right things. As soon as the parents go out for dinner BAM! it's babysitter hell. They do whatever they want whenever they want and how can you blame them? Mommy and daddy continue to blame the babysitter. They are never punished or held accountable.

I hope for once these babies are made to understand that they are going to have to learn to play a 200ft game, and that crying and pouting to get the babysitter fired simply won't work anymore. It's time for mommy and daddy's little superstars to grow up.

There. I stood up to be counted.

They're just not very good at hockey against the best in the world right now. See you next year.

I'm in. Eakins needs a better mix of tools in his tool box. MacT needs to trade for and/or sign better mix of players. If he does that and Eakins still flounders next year then I will be happy to pick up a torch and join the lynch mob.

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#69 samurai003
January 25 2014, 12:11PM
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This just goes to show the poor decisions made by KBlowe, MacT and Eakins. Notice Eakins never pulls the goalie? Just makes them stay in net and suffer, instead of send a message to the team. Why keep doing the same things over and over. Obviously not working.

I say, get an NHL coach, I think Eakins could be an assistant. But whos' available as a head coach?? If KLowe were fired, who'd be a good replacement? There is no way any UFA would re-sign or come to EDM with the management and coaching record right now. Really, they are making the future success tougher on themselves.

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#70 dougtheslug
January 25 2014, 12:13PM
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@@Oilanderp

Is there any evidence that the player's wouldn't listen to what their last coach, Ralph Krueger, had to say? My recollection is that with arguably a worse roster, they competed pretty hard, won more games in a 48 game schedule than they are likely to this year in 82 games, and were in striking distance of a playoff spot in April. Both special teams last year were top 10 in the league. In fact the progress they made under Ralph was the reason there was so much hope this season, that many hockey people thought the corner had been turned on the rebuild. The players didn't get Ralph fired. It was Mac, acting on a whim. Without due diligence,he hired a minor league coach who thought what worked in the AHL would work in the big leagues. Under Eakins' guidance, the team has regressed in every imaginable way. Player development has stalled and gone backward. Under Eakin's AHL coaching, the team looks more like an AHL team with each game.

Management and coaches. Have. To. Go.

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#71 toprightcorner
January 25 2014, 12:17PM
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Mr common sense wrote:

Why is Mact not pursuing Steve ott? He is the 2nd line C we need, tough sob and a ufa.

I like Ott and would love to see him on the team. He will be a deadline trade for a pick (which Edmonton doesn't have a 2nd or 3rd) More likely to get him as UFA, Ott playing with the Oil (any pending UFA) down the stretch won't convince them to sign.

I would prefer Ott as 3rd line. How good would our bottom 6 look with Gordon, Hendricks and Joneson the 4th line?

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#72 oilersd
January 25 2014, 12:29PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

Is there any evidence that the player's wouldn't listen to what their last coach, Ralph Krueger, had to say? My recollection is that with arguably a worse roster, they competed pretty hard, won more games in a 48 game schedule than they are likely to this year in 82 games, and were in striking distance of a playoff spot in April. Both special teams last year were top 10 in the league. In fact the progress they made under Ralph was the reason there was so much hope this season, that many hockey people thought the corner had been turned on the rebuild. The players didn't get Ralph fired. It was Mac, acting on a whim. Without due diligence,he hired a minor league coach who thought what worked in the AHL would work in the big leagues. Under Eakins' guidance, the team has regressed in every imaginable way. Player development has stalled and gone backward. Under Eakin's AHL coaching, the team looks more like an AHL team with each game.

Management and coaches. Have. To. Go.

Somehow i doubt that MacT got his business degree and then decided to base the rest of his decisions on coin flips and a magic eight ball. Krueger was a fine coach but you can't blame MacT for putting his own stamp on this organization. It's not like Krueger could have made gags 5 inches taller and 20 lbs heavier. It is difficult to compare the two coaches anyway as the sample size for both is just too narrow. If Krueger had remained at the helm the team may well have been improved this year, but only because he would have been picking up where he left off. Continuity is the answer. Patience and continuity. And i will preemptively state that i am NOT an oilers employee or contractor. Just a regular schmo like the rest of you. I just don't live in the land of negativity that many people do.

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#73 outdoorzguy
January 25 2014, 12:35PM
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Danger Pay wrote:

Congratulations, you've watched games at other arena's. But did you go to the locker rooms to get interviews a those 15 Buildings? I've heard, that behind the scenes at Rexall is "Dusty""Old" " Dingy" and " Played Out".

When a business is run in an Old, Out Dated Building your telling me it doesn't have an overall effect on the business or it's employees? I'm pretty sure everyone would rather come to work in a building constructed in 2016, and was Clean, Modern, Fresh and Updated as apposed to 1977, Old, Dingy, Dusty,Overall Embarrassing.

Ray Ferraro has said, On Air " He can feel the negative energy when he enters the building" I was hoping JW could confirm what Ferraro has experienced as plausible or BS.

The Oilers dressing room is state of the art and the ice is one of the best surfaces in the league. That's all that should matter to them.

The negativity is the aura emanating from Klowe.

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#74 Hall the time
January 25 2014, 12:45PM
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oilersd wrote:

Somehow i doubt that MacT got his business degree and then decided to base the rest of his decisions on coin flips and a magic eight ball. Krueger was a fine coach but you can't blame MacT for putting his own stamp on this organization. It's not like Krueger could have made gags 5 inches taller and 20 lbs heavier. It is difficult to compare the two coaches anyway as the sample size for both is just too narrow. If Krueger had remained at the helm the team may well have been improved this year, but only because he would have been picking up where he left off. Continuity is the answer. Patience and continuity. And i will preemptively state that i am NOT an oilers employee or contractor. Just a regular schmo like the rest of you. I just don't live in the land of negativity that many people do.

I'm well pasted negativity. How about we just keep doing the same stuff and see if things will change magically , to me it's laughable at this point.

Negative?....... I have a smile on my face every time the Oilers get scored on and I don't know why, I'm well pasted negative bud.

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#75 K_Mart
January 25 2014, 12:52PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

If your goalie lets in a bunch of easy shots in this league, you are most likely going to lose. I understand why MacT is spending so much energy on the goalie position, because without it you are dead in the water.

I actually thought the Oilers played pretty well, except Bryz, who seemed better later on in the game, but by then it was too late. The goalies have lost a lot of gmaes for the Oil this year, but can't remember them stealing any.

They are due.

The goalies have stolen 3 i'd say. Bachman against LA stole us a point. Dubnyk against Ottawa, and bryz against Nashville.

However, the goaltending has cost this team at least 10 games this year.

When you're as bad as the Oilers you need at least a .920 sv% backing you to even get a sniff of the playoffs.

A top end goaltender could definitely hide a ton of the problems this team has, but i'm not sure that luongo, lundqvist, rinne ... or any of the top goalies could get this team to the playoffs.

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#76 toprightcorner
January 25 2014, 12:53PM
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Oilglob wrote:

All those fans that think it is worth keeping Eakins next year.....please stand up and be counted so that when the chaos continues next year you can pat your self on the back for stopping progress dead....

*standing*

The players play the game, not the coach so time for them to be accountable.

The obvious on ice holes far outweigh the effects of the coach.

Defense is terrible, how about looking at the defense coach, Smith.

ES execution suspect? how about looking at the coach in charge of on ice systems play - Buchberger.

If Babcock had terrible assistant coaches he wouldn't have been half as successful.

Let's at least let a coach pick his own staff before running him out of town.

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#77 K_Mart
January 25 2014, 01:00PM
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For those of you wondering what good firing Klowe would do... It's preventative. It won't save this season, but it will prevent Lowe from whispering the names of players like Belov and Joensuu in the ear of MacT next season and for seasons to come.

I'm not saying Lowe was the reason the oilers were high on those players, but he's the constant and there's a good chance he's been the one that's behind several bad moves.

Who liked Ryan Whitney more than Vis? Who pushed Souray out of town? Who wanted stoll and greene gone? Who liked belov? Joensuu? Labarara? Belanger? Eager?

I don't know how many of the bad moves were due to Lowe, Tambo, or MacT, but I do know that Lowe was here the whole time. Katz can't blame Lowe for the performance of the players, that's on them, but he can prevent him from making poor decisions in the future by getting rid of him. My hope is that MacT just ignores him if Katz refuses to get rid of him.

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#78 toprightcorner
January 25 2014, 01:01PM
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JW, I like stats, but would you sat Hendricks is proving they don't tell the whole picture?

His intensity, leadership, character and positive energy is exactly what the team needs and can have an unmeasurable positive impact on the team.

I still believe he was a good addition and even though he is being paid $750k more than he should, that's a cheap price to pay out of next years $70 mill cap hit to teach these attributes to the younger players.

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#79 K_Mart
January 25 2014, 01:03PM
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toprightcorner wrote:

JW, I like stats, but would you sat Hendricks is proving they don't tell the whole picture?

His intensity, leadership, character and positive energy is exactly what the team needs and can have an unmeasurable positive impact on the team.

I still believe he was a good addition and even though he is being paid $750k more than he should, that's a cheap price to pay out of next years $70 mill cap hit to teach these attributes to the younger players.

If somehow Hendricks can rub off on the others and get players to amp up the intensity even while he's on the bench, than that's invaluable. But it's also impossible to measure.

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#80 Dman
January 25 2014, 01:03PM
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oilersd wrote:

I stand corrected. But my point is that he was pushed into the majors too soon and it shows this season. I maintain that he will persevere and just needs time and a more experienced and defensive 2nd line to play with.

Perhaps, but the alternative to him playing in the NHL last year was to send him back to junior. Not sure that he have would gained anything from that.

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#81 Serious Gord
January 25 2014, 01:19PM
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@Oilanderp wrote:

*sigh*

*stands up*

Have you ever considered the possibility that the players might have something to do with the on-ice product?

I imagine these players to be like spoiled brats who have managed to get all of their previous babysitters fired. They are great in front of their mommy and daddy and they say all the right things. As soon as the parents go out for dinner BAM! it's babysitter hell. They do whatever they want whenever they want and how can you blame them? Mommy and daddy continue to blame the babysitter. They are never punished or held accountable.

I hope for once these babies are made to understand that they are going to have to learn to play a 200ft game, and that crying and pouting to get the babysitter fired simply won't work anymore. It's time for mommy and daddy's little superstars to grow up.

There. I stood up to be counted.

They're just not very good at hockey against the best in the world right now. See you next year.

The question is: Is Eakins a part of the problem or is he a victim/innocent/part of the solution?

I think he is very much a part of the problem. A prototypical example of the dysfunction in management that plagues this team. Exaggerated ability - over paid/contracted not nhl quality - at least not yet.

To those who have tied themselves to the rhetorical mast that we have fired so many that to fire another is counterproductive I ask: you would fire him if that wasn't the situation because he is incompetent, why would you keep because it is the situation? In either circumstance he is incompetent. There is not one thing one can point to that he has done better than the previous coaches and that is better than what an average nhl coach would have done. He has failed in virtually every respect. The team is playing/underperforming as badly now as it was at the start of the season.

My second question to that groups is: if not now, when? At what point in this failure would you fire him? 15 games into the next season? The end of next season? After hall and nuge and eberle and yak have demanded to be traded?

I think it is remote in the extreme that this team will be any better than it is now at the end of this season. And if it remains terrible and underperforming, why waste another year with this pompous, arrogant fool of a coach by letting him start next season?

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#82 K_Mart
January 25 2014, 01:32PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

The question is: Is Eakins a part of the problem or is he a victim/innocent/part of the solution?

I think he is very much a part of the problem. A prototypical example of the dysfunction in management that plagues this team. Exaggerated ability - over paid/contracted not nhl quality - at least not yet.

To those who have tied themselves to the rhetorical mast that we have fired so many that to fire another is counterproductive I ask: you would fire him if that wasn't the situation because he is incompetent, why would you keep because it is the situation? In either circumstance he is incompetent. There is not one thing one can point to that he has done better than the previous coaches and that is better than what an average nhl coach would have done. He has failed in virtually every respect. The team is playing/underperforming as badly now as it was at the start of the season.

My second question to that groups is: if not now, when? At what point in this failure would you fire him? 15 games into the next season? The end of next season? After hall and nuge and eberle and yak have demanded to be traded?

I think it is remote in the extreme that this team will be any better than it is now at the end of this season. And if it remains terrible and underperforming, why waste another year with this pompous, arrogant fool of a coach by letting him start next season?

He isn't incompetent. He's a smart guy. The fact that the team has regressed can fall on the players. They are the ones regressing. To put all their shortcomings on the shoulders of a coach that you've labelled incompetent is a little too presumptuous.

He's pompous, and he's arrogant, but those are not qualities that necessarily make for a bad coach. Scotty Bowman was the same way.

The oilers overall play 5x5 this year isn't far off from last year.

http://nhlnumbers.com/2013/8/8/western-conference-1213-rolling-team-corsi

In fact, the depth players appear to be superior this year when compared to last. The biggest drop off in play (as far as possession goes) that i've seen has been Hall. I really don't think a player as dynamic as hall will be stuck in this rut for long, and he's still finding ways to score despite the poor shot differential numbers.

While the team is as bad now as it was at the beginning of the season, eventually the accountability has to fall on the players.

The PP% isn't all that far off from last year, although the SH goals against is a definitive problem. And the PK looks to be coming around.

To spend another year with the same roster would be a bigger mistake than spending another year with the same coach.

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#83 toprightcorner
January 25 2014, 01:34PM
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With JW saying Bryz was bad I had to re watch the highlights cause I didn't thing there were any softies.

1st goal, Boedker perfect top corner shot off the bar. Everyone would be raving about Hall's shot if he scored a goal like that - no chance for Bryz

2nd goal, Vrbata left alone in the slot on PP - n chance for Bryz

3rd goal, Morris tees it up with a Nuge screen, picks the top corner - not much of a chance for Bryz, maybe gets that 3 out of 10

4th goal, Ribero deflects a weak shot from bad angle but huge puck redirection, lucky for PHX but not much chance for Bryz

Just because 3 goals in 4 min and 4 goals in the game means poor goalie performance. How about 3 significant breakdowns that turned into great scoring chances that were cashed in.

To me, Bryz getz zero blame for that loss and made some good saves while they were on the comback

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#84 dougtheslug
January 25 2014, 01:45PM
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oilersd wrote:

Somehow i doubt that MacT got his business degree and then decided to base the rest of his decisions on coin flips and a magic eight ball. Krueger was a fine coach but you can't blame MacT for putting his own stamp on this organization. It's not like Krueger could have made gags 5 inches taller and 20 lbs heavier. It is difficult to compare the two coaches anyway as the sample size for both is just too narrow. If Krueger had remained at the helm the team may well have been improved this year, but only because he would have been picking up where he left off. Continuity is the answer. Patience and continuity. And i will preemptively state that i am NOT an oilers employee or contractor. Just a regular schmo like the rest of you. I just don't live in the land of negativity that many people do.

In golf we say, "Don't follow up a bad shot with a stupid shot."

Hiring Eakins was the bad shot.

Keeping him despite the evidence that he can't do the job, and preaching patience as the rationale, will be the stupid shot.

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#85 S cottV
January 25 2014, 02:00PM
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Lets see how the next several games go because it really doesn't look good and if the trend continues - omg - you cant keep Eakins for the sake of keeping him.

It doesn't take much to read between the lines that Eakins has either lost or is very close to losing the room.

If an or when this happens - there really is no other choice.

The Coach must be able to influence a buy in of his concepts, achieve implementation and in turn, extract over achievement from the player group. There is not one facet of over achievement that anyone including Eakins can point to, here - there or anywhere and declare over achievement.

If somehow - the d zone coverage starts coming together or the pp starts to click, or the team starts looking more steady - or - heaven forbid the Oilers start winning some games, maybe you extend things to see if the positive trends continue.

But - at this point and continued negative trending, geez - let him go at the Olympic break.

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#86 fasteddy
January 25 2014, 02:01PM
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K_Mart wrote:

For those of you wondering what good firing Klowe would do... It's preventative. It won't save this season, but it will prevent Lowe from whispering the names of players like Belov and Joensuu in the ear of MacT next season and for seasons to come.

I'm not saying Lowe was the reason the oilers were high on those players, but he's the constant and there's a good chance he's been the one that's behind several bad moves.

Who liked Ryan Whitney more than Vis? Who pushed Souray out of town? Who wanted stoll and greene gone? Who liked belov? Joensuu? Labarara? Belanger? Eager?

I don't know how many of the bad moves were due to Lowe, Tambo, or MacT, but I do know that Lowe was here the whole time. Katz can't blame Lowe for the performance of the players, that's on them, but he can prevent him from making poor decisions in the future by getting rid of him. My hope is that MacT just ignores him if Katz refuses to get rid of him.

Your point would make more sense if you were referring to front line players.......I look and wonder where the major blunders have been, and dont see much. Certainly nothing more than most other teams. I realize we all want a pound of flesh, but the screamers on here calling for Lowe's head are fools for thinking things would have been drastically different with someone else at the helm.

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#87 Cynic
January 25 2014, 02:05PM
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Danger Pay wrote:

Congratulations, you've watched games at other arena's. But did you go to the locker rooms to get interviews a those 15 Buildings? I've heard, that behind the scenes at Rexall is "Dusty""Old" " Dingy" and " Played Out".

When a business is run in an Old, Out Dated Building your telling me it doesn't have an overall effect on the business or it's employees? I'm pretty sure everyone would rather come to work in a building constructed in 2016, and was Clean, Modern, Fresh and Updated as apposed to 1977, Old, Dingy, Dusty,Overall Embarrassing.

Ray Ferraro has said, On Air " He can feel the negative energy when he enters the building" I was hoping JW could confirm what Ferraro has experienced as plausible or BS.

shorter Danger Pay (Staples? LaForge?): The New Arena Will Fix Everything (c).

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#88 K_Mart
January 25 2014, 02:21PM
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Your point would make more sense if you were referring to front line players.......I look and wonder where the major blunders have been, and dont see much. Certainly nothing more than most other teams. I realize we all want a pound of flesh, but the screamers on here calling for Lowe's head are fools for thinking things would have been drastically different with someone else at the helm.

I would say that the value we got for Visnovsky and Souray was a disgrace. And those two players represent the front line of a once average d core. Those blunders were huge, and I'm fearful that there will be more.

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#89 Rick Stroppel
January 25 2014, 02:29PM
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He Who Knows wrote:

Who is trashing this dude's comments???? Sick, twisted people out there. Maybe it's the paid shills trashing comments that speak the truth about how fans feel.

A LITTLE ORIGINALITY PLEASE

The people who trashed that comment do not support Lowe. They are just TIRED of seeing the same comment posted OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

" Fire Lowe " means nothing to me. Please give us something unique, insightful, and/or funny.

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#90 @Oilanderp
January 25 2014, 02:32PM
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@Serious Gord

To those who have tied themselves to the rhetorical mast that we have fired so many that to fire another is counterproductive I ask: you would fire him if that wasn't the situation because he is incompetent, why would you keep because it is the situation? In either circumstance he is incompetent.

Your argument here seems to be:

1. Eakins is incompetent.

2. One should fire an incompetent coach regardless of past coach performance.

3. Eakins should be fired.

While I completely agree with #2, I really don't know about the truth of #1, and you've done nothing to show me that this is the case. However, there is at least a bit of evidence that #1 is NOT the case.

Assume P=Players, C=Coach.

If P+C1 = fail, P+C2=fail, P+C3=fail, P+C4=fail, P+C5=fail ....

Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting to me that P + C6 = success?!?!?!? It seems to me that any reasonable person would have a look at 'P'.

Look at a game and tell me with a straight face there isn't a problem with P, or am I just 'P'ing in the wind here?

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#91 Hall the time
January 25 2014, 02:55PM
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@Oilanderp wrote:
To those who have tied themselves to the rhetorical mast that we have fired so many that to fire another is counterproductive I ask: you would fire him if that wasn't the situation because he is incompetent, why would you keep because it is the situation? In either circumstance he is incompetent.

Your argument here seems to be:

1. Eakins is incompetent.

2. One should fire an incompetent coach regardless of past coach performance.

3. Eakins should be fired.

While I completely agree with #2, I really don't know about the truth of #1, and you've done nothing to show me that this is the case. However, there is at least a bit of evidence that #1 is NOT the case.

Assume P=Players, C=Coach.

If P+C1 = fail, P+C2=fail, P+C3=fail, P+C4=fail, P+C5=fail ....

Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting to me that P + C6 = success?!?!?!? It seems to me that any reasonable person would have a look at 'P'.

Look at a game and tell me with a straight face there isn't a problem with P, or am I just 'P'ing in the wind here?

Are you talking about Buckberger and SSmith in c1 though c5.

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#92 fasteddy
January 25 2014, 02:58PM
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@K_Mart

Unlike some I don't have all day to dig up the info, but ill take your word for it. From my perspective though, neither of those guys were leading us to the promised land. Souray could shoot and fight, but certainly didn't control the game. Vis was a number 3 at best; jitterbug through a couple guys and then lose it before creating much, in my opinion. Through the grapevine I heard Souray was such a know it all that he was intolerable....down to not letting the coaches pick restaurants on the road!

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#93 Dan
January 25 2014, 03:08PM
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I think we need to be more patient with Lowe and Eakins and MacT just took over Tambo's mess. We've only been rebuilding for 4 yrs and already this team is competitive on a nightly basis. We almost beat Vancouver and Phoenix. Definite moral victories!! We are going to turn the corner next year and push for a playoff spot.

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#94 oilersd
January 25 2014, 03:14PM
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@Dman

Couldn't hurt his confidence any.

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#95 Taylor Gang
January 25 2014, 03:23PM
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I have a theory why we are losing this year.

We already knew that our defense wasn't so good coming into this season. Last season, Kruger relied heavily on the rush goals; basically our specialty. This year, Eakins implemented a more defense oriented system, meaning we have to rely on our defense more to strip the puck from opposing teams in order to create chances. Unfortunately, our defense just aren't capable of handling that much responsibility. Thoughts?

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#96 oilersd
January 25 2014, 03:29PM
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So are you saying that you throw away your clubs every time you don't make a hole-in-one?

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#97 Johnnydapunk
January 25 2014, 03:35PM
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On a semi unrelated note, despite all the bitterness and anger and stuff, it seems like the skills competition was quite nice and maybe a welcome break from everything. I like seeing that stuff as there were quite a few kids in the crowd and it's good to see the players looking like they were having some fun out there.

Despite all the bad stuff going on, it's little breaks like that from the pressure that must be good for the team and fans, especially the younger ones. I feel that if you can complain about the bad, you should also praise the good when it happens and this event I will say was good for the Oil to do.

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#98 oilersd
January 25 2014, 03:35PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

In golf we say, "Don't follow up a bad shot with a stupid shot."

Hiring Eakins was the bad shot.

Keeping him despite the evidence that he can't do the job, and preaching patience as the rationale, will be the stupid shot.

While I agree with your little golf quote I think I prefer to wait until the shot has a chance to land before I throw away my clubs.

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#99 Smokey
January 25 2014, 03:37PM
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Im glad he made up for the Riley Nash fiasco. We actually got the way better player. There hasn't been that much chaos to his game so far, but that may come as the workload comes. Hope he elevates his game for the Olympics. Im happy to watch him play.

If he can get that 15 pounds of muscle he will be a solid defender.

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#100 MessyEH
January 25 2014, 03:47PM
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@Oilanderp wrote:
To those who have tied themselves to the rhetorical mast that we have fired so many that to fire another is counterproductive I ask: you would fire him if that wasn't the situation because he is incompetent, why would you keep because it is the situation? In either circumstance he is incompetent.

Your argument here seems to be:

1. Eakins is incompetent.

2. One should fire an incompetent coach regardless of past coach performance.

3. Eakins should be fired.

While I completely agree with #2, I really don't know about the truth of #1, and you've done nothing to show me that this is the case. However, there is at least a bit of evidence that #1 is NOT the case.

Assume P=Players, C=Coach.

If P+C1 = fail, P+C2=fail, P+C3=fail, P+C4=fail, P+C5=fail ....

Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting to me that P + C6 = success?!?!?!? It seems to me that any reasonable person would have a look at 'P'.

Look at a game and tell me with a straight face there isn't a problem with P, or am I just 'P'ing in the wind here?

You have failed to note that the variable P has changed substantially in the last 4 seasons. Hell the Roster turned over by better then half in the last 2 years.

The only variable that has never changed is the Lowest one.

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