Martin Marincin good, too much else bad

Jonathan Willis
January 24 2014 10:55PM

 

Martin Marincin continues to impress just over 100 games into his professional career. He was asked to take on heavy minutes in the Oilers' 4-3 loss to Phoenix on Friday, and unlike so many others on the team he didn't disappoint. 

Marincin picked up his first career NHL point against the Coyotes and played a career-high 23:53, the third time in the last six games that the rookie has topped the 20:00 mark. He finished the game plus-one, which makes him one of very few Oilers to be a plus on the season. The Oilers were excellent with him on the ice, out-chancing Phoenix 8-3 when he skated at even-strength. He was a bright spot in a loss, and he's been a bright spot in a losing season. 

Scoring Chances & Brief Thoughts

  • The Oilers' top line had a pretty good evening, all things considered. Or, at least, they did at even-strength - those kids also powered a misfiring power play that failed to manage even one chance per opportunity and went 0-for-6 in the goals department.
  • The second line was a problem. Ryan Smyth has been good in a third line role and showed flashes, but his foot speed is a problem on a scoring line and without any kind of shot he seems better off in the bottom-six. This is particularly so when Sam Gagner continues to flounder.
  • Matt Hendricks took three penalties but looked good when he wasn't offending the officials. The third line overall, as it has been for much of this season, was a strength. 
  • It was a mixed night from the fourth line. Mark Arcobello is a favourite but had a quiet evening, while both Nail Yakupov and Jesse Joensuu had nice offensive moments and bad defensive moments.
  • Andrew Ference left the game early and Justin Schultz's transition to low-event play in major minutes continues. Mostly, the defence wasn't terrible against Phoenix - though Anton Belov sticks out like a sore thumb, doesn't he?
  • Ilya Bryzgalov was awful. He faced 11 scoring chances total on the night and surrendered four goals and two posts. The Oilers made quite a few mistakes against the Coyotes but if they'd had even semi-competent goaltending they would likely have earned at least a point.
  • Also: be sure to check out Lowetide's look this evening at Aaron Ekblad. 

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#1 Neven
January 24 2014, 11:59PM
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Lowe Must Go!!!!!

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#2 He Who Knows
January 25 2014, 10:17AM
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Neven wrote:

Lowe Must Go!!!!!

Who is trashing this dude's comments???? Sick, twisted people out there. Maybe it's the paid shills trashing comments that speak the truth about how fans feel.

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#3 Oil Is My Blood
January 25 2014, 10:38AM
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Here's the new chant I'd like to hear at Rexall

Eakins Must Go!!

monotone, only please

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#4 Mr common sense
January 24 2014, 11:25PM
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Why is Mact not pursuing Steve ott? He is the 2nd line C we need, tough sob and a ufa.

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#5 oilersd
January 25 2014, 10:57AM
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Eakins is not the problem! Let him continue to build a program and teach these kids the NHL game. The Oilers need a better mix of size and offensive/defensive players in their top six. MacT is the one who needs to step up. When he stated that bold moves were necessary he was correct. Just easier said than done. Give this group a little more time. Patience is a virtue. Do you know why patience is a virtue? Because it is hard. But it usually bears out in the end. Kinda like why most people with money worked and saved for it rather than winning the lotto.

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#6 Oilerz4life
January 24 2014, 10:59PM
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Welcome to Edmonton Martin, where NHL prospects come to have their careers die a slow painful death.

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#7 Danger Pay
January 25 2014, 02:18AM
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ThatButthurtOilersFan wrote:

Apparently another jersey tossed onto the ice tonight. I feel bad for Martin, has a terrific season in OKC and gets called up to Edmonton, the definition of a losing culture.

Troll!

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#8 Rdubb
January 25 2014, 02:49AM
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I do not know how much I can write, yell & scream that the young d-men on the farm SHOULD BE brought up so that management can see where they are. I said @ the start of the year that MM should be up so we can see how is, & wouldn't you know, on almost every night he has dressed as an Oiler, he has been the best Oiler d-man on the ice. So, lets call up Klefbom & Gernat and see where they are. know one said that one must be a standout in the minors to succeed in the bigs, & there are several examples in many sports where this has happened, where a guy was average @ best in the minors, but when his chance arose, he grabbed it and ran. Tom Brady is one, and what did he do in college? Not too much, but when he got his shot in the NFL, all he did was win, and win Super Bowls at that too... Jimmy Johnson in Nascar was average (and that is being nice) in the nationwide series, but once he came to Nascar, he won 5 championships in a row and 6 of 8... In Baseball, there is way too many players to mention and I cannot pick one of the top of my head, but it seems many pitchers do this... Plus, who says you MUST be a standout to succeed in the bigs anyway? There have been as many flops as their has been success stories. How many guys are point per game players in the AHL, yet cannot get 20-25 points in 82 games in the NHL, if that. Than there are all these goalies who aren't great in the AHL, get called up due to injuries and absolutely run with it. Jones in LA, Peters in CAR, Hutton in NAS, Anderson & Fasth in ANA, ect, ect... All we Oiler fans need to do is look @ our own examples of this in Omark and in Schrimp. Both skilled offensive players in the AHL but couldn't cut it in the NHL... Peck

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#9 Hall the time
January 25 2014, 11:28AM
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My list of players that I would not trade has shrunk a lot this year.

With the coach's not doing their job's I'm willing to trade Ebs, Yak, JSchultz, Kefblom, Nurse and any first round picks away, not because I don't like them or think they cant become great players, it's because they can't do it here theirs no development going on here at all.

Sure Halls doing good but I'm sure he's put it on himself to get better no matter what we need a whole team like him but we don't so that's where coaching comes in.

Oil need Vets ASPA so they can make our coach's look like they know what their doing.

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#10 @Oilanderp
January 25 2014, 11:38AM
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Oilglob wrote:

All those fans that think it is worth keeping Eakins next year.....please stand up and be counted so that when the chaos continues next year you can pat your self on the back for stopping progress dead....

*sigh*

*stands up*

Have you ever considered the possibility that the players might have something to do with the on-ice product?

I imagine these players to be like spoiled brats who have managed to get all of their previous babysitters fired. They are great in front of their mommy and daddy and they say all the right things. As soon as the parents go out for dinner BAM! it's babysitter hell. They do whatever they want whenever they want and how can you blame them? Mommy and daddy continue to blame the babysitter. They are never punished or held accountable.

I hope for once these babies are made to understand that they are going to have to learn to play a 200ft game, and that crying and pouting to get the babysitter fired simply won't work anymore. It's time for mommy and daddy's little superstars to grow up.

There. I stood up to be counted.

They're just not very good at hockey against the best in the world right now. See you next year.

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#11 oilersd
January 25 2014, 12:29PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

Is there any evidence that the player's wouldn't listen to what their last coach, Ralph Krueger, had to say? My recollection is that with arguably a worse roster, they competed pretty hard, won more games in a 48 game schedule than they are likely to this year in 82 games, and were in striking distance of a playoff spot in April. Both special teams last year were top 10 in the league. In fact the progress they made under Ralph was the reason there was so much hope this season, that many hockey people thought the corner had been turned on the rebuild. The players didn't get Ralph fired. It was Mac, acting on a whim. Without due diligence,he hired a minor league coach who thought what worked in the AHL would work in the big leagues. Under Eakins' guidance, the team has regressed in every imaginable way. Player development has stalled and gone backward. Under Eakin's AHL coaching, the team looks more like an AHL team with each game.

Management and coaches. Have. To. Go.

Somehow i doubt that MacT got his business degree and then decided to base the rest of his decisions on coin flips and a magic eight ball. Krueger was a fine coach but you can't blame MacT for putting his own stamp on this organization. It's not like Krueger could have made gags 5 inches taller and 20 lbs heavier. It is difficult to compare the two coaches anyway as the sample size for both is just too narrow. If Krueger had remained at the helm the team may well have been improved this year, but only because he would have been picking up where he left off. Continuity is the answer. Patience and continuity. And i will preemptively state that i am NOT an oilers employee or contractor. Just a regular schmo like the rest of you. I just don't live in the land of negativity that many people do.

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#12 Serious Gord
January 25 2014, 01:23AM
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James wrote:

Nothing about Cams fluff piece in the EJ?

I read it.

Cam tait and Kevin Lowe should be fired.

Most weak-assed Defence of Lowe ever.

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#13 MessyEH
January 25 2014, 07:01AM
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It's been speculated at before. JSchultz must have been riding MM coat tales last year.

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#14 oilersd
January 25 2014, 09:33AM
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@michael

The things Eakins is coaching are not much different than any other coach in the nhl. And while the improvements on the ice have definitely not been easy to find they are there. Taylor Hall, RNH, and Eberle have actually started to learn what playing a 200 ft game means, and they do a much better job of sustaining pressure with and creating scoring chance off the cycle. Over the last number of games they have been far more consistent in all areas of the ice. Other guys have not seen as much improvement, but if you want to look to some reasons how about the fact that Yak, for example, is only in his second year with the team and looks about as defensively sound as a 20 year old kid in his 2nd season. Except that he is behind a bunch of other highly touted skilled prospect who have more experience than he does. Unlike Hall who had (lol) Ethan Moreau and Shawn Horcoff to leap frog. I'm yak may be frustrated but I don't think he is shsttered. The mistake with yak was in not putting him in the minors I think. If Yak had spent last season in the minors the two things would be different for him and the team. One, he would have been a big fish learning to play both sides of the puck in a little pond, and, two, the oilers would have freed up a roster spot that could have been taken short term by a more veteran player. This could have significantly changed the fortunes of both the team and the player. IMO that hangs on management, but you don't make it to 1st overall pick in the nhl without dealing with a little adversity and employing a great deal of perseverance. Yak will be fine. But the last thing any of them or us needs at this point is yet another coach or gm. They need continuity. We need continuity. And if you are going to tell me that this rebuild started with Robbie Shremp and Robert Nillson then I've got a bridge to sell you...

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#15 K_Mart
January 25 2014, 01:32PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

The question is: Is Eakins a part of the problem or is he a victim/innocent/part of the solution?

I think he is very much a part of the problem. A prototypical example of the dysfunction in management that plagues this team. Exaggerated ability - over paid/contracted not nhl quality - at least not yet.

To those who have tied themselves to the rhetorical mast that we have fired so many that to fire another is counterproductive I ask: you would fire him if that wasn't the situation because he is incompetent, why would you keep because it is the situation? In either circumstance he is incompetent. There is not one thing one can point to that he has done better than the previous coaches and that is better than what an average nhl coach would have done. He has failed in virtually every respect. The team is playing/underperforming as badly now as it was at the start of the season.

My second question to that groups is: if not now, when? At what point in this failure would you fire him? 15 games into the next season? The end of next season? After hall and nuge and eberle and yak have demanded to be traded?

I think it is remote in the extreme that this team will be any better than it is now at the end of this season. And if it remains terrible and underperforming, why waste another year with this pompous, arrogant fool of a coach by letting him start next season?

He isn't incompetent. He's a smart guy. The fact that the team has regressed can fall on the players. They are the ones regressing. To put all their shortcomings on the shoulders of a coach that you've labelled incompetent is a little too presumptuous.

He's pompous, and he's arrogant, but those are not qualities that necessarily make for a bad coach. Scotty Bowman was the same way.

The oilers overall play 5x5 this year isn't far off from last year.

http://nhlnumbers.com/2013/8/8/western-conference-1213-rolling-team-corsi

In fact, the depth players appear to be superior this year when compared to last. The biggest drop off in play (as far as possession goes) that i've seen has been Hall. I really don't think a player as dynamic as hall will be stuck in this rut for long, and he's still finding ways to score despite the poor shot differential numbers.

While the team is as bad now as it was at the beginning of the season, eventually the accountability has to fall on the players.

The PP% isn't all that far off from last year, although the SH goals against is a definitive problem. And the PK looks to be coming around.

To spend another year with the same roster would be a bigger mistake than spending another year with the same coach.

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#16 TayLordBalls
January 25 2014, 07:16AM
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While my Oilers didn't win - I was entertained.

That was fun to watch.

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#17 Danger Pay
January 25 2014, 11:02AM
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book¡e wrote:

Wait, now the building is making them lose? Now I have heard everything

I have been in about 15 NHL buildings both old and new and find that watching the game is pretty similar in all of them (with the exception of MLG where I had to look around a support post). The difference between buildings is mostly in the concession area.

The losing culture has nothing to do with the city or the building.

Congratulations, you've watched games at other arena's. But did you go to the locker rooms to get interviews a those 15 Buildings? I've heard, that behind the scenes at Rexall is "Dusty""Old" " Dingy" and " Played Out".

When a business is run in an Old, Out Dated Building your telling me it doesn't have an overall effect on the business or it's employees? I'm pretty sure everyone would rather come to work in a building constructed in 2016, and was Clean, Modern, Fresh and Updated as apposed to 1977, Old, Dingy, Dusty,Overall Embarrassing.

Ray Ferraro has said, On Air " He can feel the negative energy when he enters the building" I was hoping JW could confirm what Ferraro has experienced as plausible or BS.

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#18 Dan
January 25 2014, 03:08PM
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I think we need to be more patient with Lowe and Eakins and MacT just took over Tambo's mess. We've only been rebuilding for 4 yrs and already this team is competitive on a nightly basis. We almost beat Vancouver and Phoenix. Definite moral victories!! We are going to turn the corner next year and push for a playoff spot.

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#19 @Oilanderp
January 25 2014, 12:09AM
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Eventually this team is going to play 60 solid minutes instead of 10.

In my imagination it will begin to happen with growing frequency before this season is over.

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#20 fasteddy
January 25 2014, 10:38AM
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Im likely as big a MacT fan as there is, but I truly believe he jumped the gun in hiring Eakins. MacT, I beg you, swallow a little pride and can this guy......we will forgive you, I promise!

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#21 oilersd
January 25 2014, 11:56AM
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@Oilanderp wrote:

*sigh*

*stands up*

Have you ever considered the possibility that the players might have something to do with the on-ice product?

I imagine these players to be like spoiled brats who have managed to get all of their previous babysitters fired. They are great in front of their mommy and daddy and they say all the right things. As soon as the parents go out for dinner BAM! it's babysitter hell. They do whatever they want whenever they want and how can you blame them? Mommy and daddy continue to blame the babysitter. They are never punished or held accountable.

I hope for once these babies are made to understand that they are going to have to learn to play a 200ft game, and that crying and pouting to get the babysitter fired simply won't work anymore. It's time for mommy and daddy's little superstars to grow up.

There. I stood up to be counted.

They're just not very good at hockey against the best in the world right now. See you next year.

I'm in. Eakins needs a better mix of tools in his tool box. MacT needs to trade for and/or sign better mix of players. If he does that and Eakins still flounders next year then I will be happy to pick up a torch and join the lynch mob.

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#22 ThatButthurtOilersFan
January 24 2014, 11:51PM
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Apparently another jersey tossed onto the ice tonight. I feel bad for Martin, has a terrific season in OKC and gets called up to Edmonton, the definition of a losing culture.

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#23 Sisyphus
January 25 2014, 04:48AM
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Another "moral" victory. At least it wasn't a total shellacking this time--the final score was close. Not that it really matters--wins matter. Losses matter. Losing by less, while better than getting your @sses kicked, is still losing.

How much longer until this team manages to convince one of the young stars to ask for a trade? Or scarier still, manages to ruin them as players, so that our prized assets end up being mediocre pieces thanks to the "development" of the Oilers system....

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#24 Huskamania
January 25 2014, 06:17AM
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David S wrote:

Yeah Gagner had an off game but holy cow putting Smyth on his line is the kiss of death. Sam lasered a cross-ice pass onto his stick and he broke it on the shot attempt right in the freakin' slot.

And the powerplay. The g*d d*mn powerplay. What the hell has Eakins done to those guys? Used to be we had some kick ass firepower in that part of the game and now you wish we could decline them.

lol that is funny and I agree dont know why Smyth is even playing he does nothing with his wooden stick he's stuck in the 80s slow style he wouldnt be able to keep up to my son on an Atom team , dont worry if Smyth leaves he will be back as an assistant coach sooner then later

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#25 a lg dubl dubl
January 25 2014, 08:42AM
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I was at the game last night, Perty was up to his old ways of watching the puck, slowly skating around,giving the puck away and not covering the forward in front of the net. The dude has to go, far to many times this year he's caused a goal againt. Im not putting this crap season all on him, but he was my goat at the beginning of the year and he still is.

Marincin was good, he had a few momemnts of double checking what he should do with the puck but all in all he looked liked the most poised dman on the Oilers last night. Feed the kid nothing but protein shakes and red meat til hes over 200lbs.

MacT has his work cut out for him this off season with all but Ference and Maricin signed for next season, I hope we see a completely new defence next season, with Marincin as the only dman with under 100 games under his belt on the roster full time.

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#26 MessyEH
January 25 2014, 10:29AM
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Before they fire Eakins, they should fire Bucky, Smith and the damn goalie coach. Let Eakins hire his own assistants.

The only way that ever happens is when Lowe is removed from this operation.

I'll give MacT and Eakins a fair chance.

But Lowes gotta go.

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#27 toprightcorner
January 25 2014, 12:53PM
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Oilglob wrote:

All those fans that think it is worth keeping Eakins next year.....please stand up and be counted so that when the chaos continues next year you can pat your self on the back for stopping progress dead....

*standing*

The players play the game, not the coach so time for them to be accountable.

The obvious on ice holes far outweigh the effects of the coach.

Defense is terrible, how about looking at the defense coach, Smith.

ES execution suspect? how about looking at the coach in charge of on ice systems play - Buchberger.

If Babcock had terrible assistant coaches he wouldn't have been half as successful.

Let's at least let a coach pick his own staff before running him out of town.

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#28 Oilglob
January 25 2014, 09:17AM
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All those fans that think it is worth keeping Eakins next year.....please stand up and be counted so that when the chaos continues next year you can pat your self on the back for stopping progress dead....

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#29 Bucknuck
January 25 2014, 11:22AM
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If your goalie lets in a bunch of easy shots in this league, you are most likely going to lose. I understand why MacT is spending so much energy on the goalie position, because without it you are dead in the water.

I actually thought the Oilers played pretty well, except Bryz, who seemed better later on in the game, but by then it was too late. The goalies have lost a lot of gmaes for the Oil this year, but can't remember them stealing any.

They are due.

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#30 @Oilanderp
January 25 2014, 02:32PM
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@Serious Gord

To those who have tied themselves to the rhetorical mast that we have fired so many that to fire another is counterproductive I ask: you would fire him if that wasn't the situation because he is incompetent, why would you keep because it is the situation? In either circumstance he is incompetent.

Your argument here seems to be:

1. Eakins is incompetent.

2. One should fire an incompetent coach regardless of past coach performance.

3. Eakins should be fired.

While I completely agree with #2, I really don't know about the truth of #1, and you've done nothing to show me that this is the case. However, there is at least a bit of evidence that #1 is NOT the case.

Assume P=Players, C=Coach.

If P+C1 = fail, P+C2=fail, P+C3=fail, P+C4=fail, P+C5=fail ....

Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting to me that P + C6 = success?!?!?!? It seems to me that any reasonable person would have a look at 'P'.

Look at a game and tell me with a straight face there isn't a problem with P, or am I just 'P'ing in the wind here?

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#31 Spydyr
January 25 2014, 07:00AM
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Eakin's putting Smyth on the second line shows just how lost he is.

Man up, Mac-T admit your mistake and get a veteran NHL coach in here to lead a team lead by kids.

It does not matter how many coaches they have had in the past. When something is broken you fix it.

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#32 Loweblows
January 25 2014, 08:56AM
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The power play is another example of why Eakins must go! Eakins lovers can kiss my a$$.

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#33 I AM KEVIN L.
January 25 2014, 10:20AM
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Another loss.........6th in a row --> Was that another "moral" victory?

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#34 fasteddy
January 25 2014, 02:01PM
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K_Mart wrote:

For those of you wondering what good firing Klowe would do... It's preventative. It won't save this season, but it will prevent Lowe from whispering the names of players like Belov and Joensuu in the ear of MacT next season and for seasons to come.

I'm not saying Lowe was the reason the oilers were high on those players, but he's the constant and there's a good chance he's been the one that's behind several bad moves.

Who liked Ryan Whitney more than Vis? Who pushed Souray out of town? Who wanted stoll and greene gone? Who liked belov? Joensuu? Labarara? Belanger? Eager?

I don't know how many of the bad moves were due to Lowe, Tambo, or MacT, but I do know that Lowe was here the whole time. Katz can't blame Lowe for the performance of the players, that's on them, but he can prevent him from making poor decisions in the future by getting rid of him. My hope is that MacT just ignores him if Katz refuses to get rid of him.

Your point would make more sense if you were referring to front line players.......I look and wonder where the major blunders have been, and dont see much. Certainly nothing more than most other teams. I realize we all want a pound of flesh, but the screamers on here calling for Lowe's head are fools for thinking things would have been drastically different with someone else at the helm.

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#35 oilersd
January 24 2014, 11:53PM
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I disagree that Bryzgalov was as brutal as all that. The problems always arise from these hopeful passes into the offensive zone and not bearing down in the d zone get to go the puck out. It catches them on their heels and that's when they inevitably end up out of position and eventually picking the puck out of their net. Smith definitely outplayed Bryzgalov but I don't think he should be categorically thrown under the bus. I thought the Oilers showed good push back though. And when they do manage the puck properly they seem to have it a lot more. I guess that's why they got out hit on the score sheet. But there were plenty of bright spots in the game. The top line was good and I love the third line. Marincin was really good, so was Petry for the most part. I didn't hate Potters game either. They were feisty and physical, and I thought they did a pretty decent job on puck retrieval. Honestly, to me, tonight anyway, they looked like a team that needs a better second line center and a no. 1 dman. Beyond that they just need to stick to the process, and keep gaining valuable experience.

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#36 Hoozonphirst
January 25 2014, 07:30AM
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Eakins use of Smyth is puzzling to me. He is slow and just never seems to make anything happen that us good. Certainly he mskes no one but the opposition better. I don't get it. Am I the inly one sick to death of Eakins' constant pist loss spin. Listening to his logic a loss is actually a win. Pathetic.

Why have Bryz in net? He's not the future. He isn't even the present. I would be playing Scrivens if I had any intentions of offering him a contract.

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#37 Romanus
January 25 2014, 09:33AM
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Mr common sense wrote:

Why is Mact not pursuing Steve ott? He is the 2nd line C we need, tough sob and a ufa.

How do you know he isn't?

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#38 TopRight
January 25 2014, 12:51AM
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I thought Ryan Jones had a real good game. Showed some pace and grit.

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#39 Danger Pay
January 25 2014, 02:06AM
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Thanks for the defensive brite spot JW! On a completely unrelated conversation I had tonight, I was hoping to obtain your perspective.

As a sports writer I imagine you've traveled to other arena's... and I was curious what your opinion on the Ole Rexall Arena itself was? It has to be out dated by now, compared to other Barn's.

Can the new arena/building help erase this Losing Culture Stench? Ray Ferraro himself has stated, on air, that "when he enter's Rexall, he can literally feel the negative energy in the building."

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#40 MKE
January 25 2014, 02:10AM
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Mr common sense wrote:

Why is Mact not pursuing Steve ott? He is the 2nd line C we need, tough sob and a ufa.

You answered your own question. Why the hell would you give up an asset, as a non playoff team, for a pending ufa???

This would be horrible asset management!!

He also is on pace for less then 30 points this year, on pace to be almost -40.

He's playing ALMOST 20 MINS A NIGHT!

AND IS ON PACE FOR 30 FREAKING POINTS!!

He's on the wrong side of 30, his best career point total was 6 years ago!!!

He has never scored more then 40 points since then, has only ever scored more then 20 goals ONCE..on a year he had his HIGHEST EVER shooting percentage!

The oilers are at least 2-3 years from a serious run in the playoffs. That would put Ott at 33-34, and he already has alot of hard miles on him.

Do we need a better second line center? For sure!

Is Ott the answer as a second line center? NO CHANCE IN HELL!

I wouldn't even take him over Boyd Gorden for our third line center.

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#41 David S
January 25 2014, 02:57AM
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Yeah Gagner had an off game but holy cow putting Smyth on his line is the kiss of death. Sam lasered a cross-ice pass onto his stick and he broke it on the shot attempt right in the freakin' slot.

And the powerplay. The g*d d*mn powerplay. What the hell has Eakins done to those guys? Used to be we had some kick ass firepower in that part of the game and now you wish we could decline them.

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#42 michael
January 25 2014, 06:18AM
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David S wrote:

Yeah Gagner had an off game but holy cow putting Smyth on his line is the kiss of death. Sam lasered a cross-ice pass onto his stick and he broke it on the shot attempt right in the freakin' slot.

And the powerplay. The g*d d*mn powerplay. What the hell has Eakins done to those guys? Used to be we had some kick ass firepower in that part of the game and now you wish we could decline them.

The PP is the Oilers momentum killer. Alla team has to do is take a penalty to stop the Oilers from gaining momentum. It is truly sad when you look at the OIlers 5-4 and know they won't score.At all. And on the road its even worse. And lets notforget the SHA.What is it now 9 GA? Have to put the penalty killers out on the PP to prevent getting scored upon when we have the 5-4.

Eakins really mindful#$ed this team. He's ruined Yakupov's confidence. Killed 2 goalies. And by seasons end probably 4 defencemen.His systems play that he has coached has imo taken this team 2 steps back.

Katz and MacT can talk all they want about this being year 4 of the rebuild. Its not. Eakins has literally put this team back to year frakin one. I dae anyone to argue that.Where no better a team than the one we iced 4 years ago. Eakins is directly to blame for the bleeped up way he went about coaching this team. He lack of experience has cost us big time in terms of development.IMO he has coached terribly.

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#43 outdoorzguy
January 25 2014, 07:32AM
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Oilerz4life wrote:

Welcome to Edmonton Martin, where NHL prospects come to have their careers die a slow painful death.

Actually not that slow, it happens rather suddenly.

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#44 Show me da Money
January 25 2014, 08:11AM
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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

Please don't let Martin Marincin become RUINED by his Oiler team mates.

I look forward to see how Dubnyk turns out in a few months having been traded from the Oilers. If he greatly improves that might say something about the team.

Right now it seems to poison almost everyone who plays there the exceptions being Perron and Gordon.

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#45 former Notre Dame Hound
January 25 2014, 08:50AM
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Difficult to understand the kind of money thrown at Gagner, given that the guy just cannot cut it as a 2C.

This revelation just didn't all of a sudden appear?

I mean he isn't even close to being effective.

OMG...there may be a cure for my Gagneritous...last count 36 to 1 on the above article...I cant even watch when "Gags" is on the ice...wait..I need some comedy in my World...maybe he might make the worst top ten list of players ever to skate in the NHL...there is ALWAYS hope...ha

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#46 oilersd
January 25 2014, 10:44AM
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dman wrote:

Yak could not have played in the AHL last season.

I stand corrected. But my point is that he was pushed into the majors too soon and it shows this season. I maintain that he will persevere and just needs time and a more experienced and defensive 2nd line to play with.

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#47 Rama Lama
January 25 2014, 10:58AM
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Damn that Eakins is doing a splendid job with one player..........every player has regressed and looks tentative but least Eakins has managed to make MM look good!

This is what happens when the coach is obsessed with making the players fit the system in stead of making the system fit the players. By turning off Marincins offence, he is looking sound defensively. Now if Eakins can figure out how to make our highly skilled offensive players score again, maybe we can win a game or two?

IMHO Eberle needs another tool in his tool box.........the guy needs to learn how to one-time the puck. Every game he gets passes on his off-side in front of the net and he feels compelled to wait out the goaltender and wrist it into a very small opening??? HE has made himself very predictiable and every goalie know what he is going to do!

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#48 Serious Gord
January 25 2014, 01:19PM
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@Oilanderp wrote:

*sigh*

*stands up*

Have you ever considered the possibility that the players might have something to do with the on-ice product?

I imagine these players to be like spoiled brats who have managed to get all of their previous babysitters fired. They are great in front of their mommy and daddy and they say all the right things. As soon as the parents go out for dinner BAM! it's babysitter hell. They do whatever they want whenever they want and how can you blame them? Mommy and daddy continue to blame the babysitter. They are never punished or held accountable.

I hope for once these babies are made to understand that they are going to have to learn to play a 200ft game, and that crying and pouting to get the babysitter fired simply won't work anymore. It's time for mommy and daddy's little superstars to grow up.

There. I stood up to be counted.

They're just not very good at hockey against the best in the world right now. See you next year.

The question is: Is Eakins a part of the problem or is he a victim/innocent/part of the solution?

I think he is very much a part of the problem. A prototypical example of the dysfunction in management that plagues this team. Exaggerated ability - over paid/contracted not nhl quality - at least not yet.

To those who have tied themselves to the rhetorical mast that we have fired so many that to fire another is counterproductive I ask: you would fire him if that wasn't the situation because he is incompetent, why would you keep because it is the situation? In either circumstance he is incompetent. There is not one thing one can point to that he has done better than the previous coaches and that is better than what an average nhl coach would have done. He has failed in virtually every respect. The team is playing/underperforming as badly now as it was at the start of the season.

My second question to that groups is: if not now, when? At what point in this failure would you fire him? 15 games into the next season? The end of next season? After hall and nuge and eberle and yak have demanded to be traded?

I think it is remote in the extreme that this team will be any better than it is now at the end of this season. And if it remains terrible and underperforming, why waste another year with this pompous, arrogant fool of a coach by letting him start next season?

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#49 S cottV
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Difficult to understand the kind of money thrown at Gagner, given that the guy just cannot cut it as a 2C.

This revelation just didn't all of a sudden appear?

I mean he isn't even close to being effective.

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#50 jim
January 25 2014, 05:45AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

I read it.

Cam tait and Kevin Lowe should be fired.

Most weak-assed Defence of Lowe ever.

Wow that was weak. it read like a 6th grade essay contest

.....that didnt win....

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