Martin Marincin good, too much else bad

Jonathan Willis
January 24 2014 10:55PM

 

Martin Marincin continues to impress just over 100 games into his professional career. He was asked to take on heavy minutes in the Oilers' 4-3 loss to Phoenix on Friday, and unlike so many others on the team he didn't disappoint. 

Marincin picked up his first career NHL point against the Coyotes and played a career-high 23:53, the third time in the last six games that the rookie has topped the 20:00 mark. He finished the game plus-one, which makes him one of very few Oilers to be a plus on the season. The Oilers were excellent with him on the ice, out-chancing Phoenix 8-3 when he skated at even-strength. He was a bright spot in a loss, and he's been a bright spot in a losing season. 

Scoring Chances & Brief Thoughts

  • The Oilers' top line had a pretty good evening, all things considered. Or, at least, they did at even-strength - those kids also powered a misfiring power play that failed to manage even one chance per opportunity and went 0-for-6 in the goals department.
  • The second line was a problem. Ryan Smyth has been good in a third line role and showed flashes, but his foot speed is a problem on a scoring line and without any kind of shot he seems better off in the bottom-six. This is particularly so when Sam Gagner continues to flounder.
  • Matt Hendricks took three penalties but looked good when he wasn't offending the officials. The third line overall, as it has been for much of this season, was a strength. 
  • It was a mixed night from the fourth line. Mark Arcobello is a favourite but had a quiet evening, while both Nail Yakupov and Jesse Joensuu had nice offensive moments and bad defensive moments.
  • Andrew Ference left the game early and Justin Schultz's transition to low-event play in major minutes continues. Mostly, the defence wasn't terrible against Phoenix - though Anton Belov sticks out like a sore thumb, doesn't he?
  • Ilya Bryzgalov was awful. He faced 11 scoring chances total on the night and surrendered four goals and two posts. The Oilers made quite a few mistakes against the Coyotes but if they'd had even semi-competent goaltending they would likely have earned at least a point.
  • Also: be sure to check out Lowetide's look this evening at Aaron Ekblad. 

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 book¡e
January 25 2014, 08:18AM
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Danger Pay wrote:

Thanks for the defensive brite spot JW! On a completely unrelated conversation I had tonight, I was hoping to obtain your perspective.

As a sports writer I imagine you've traveled to other arena's... and I was curious what your opinion on the Ole Rexall Arena itself was? It has to be out dated by now, compared to other Barn's.

Can the new arena/building help erase this Losing Culture Stench? Ray Ferraro himself has stated, on air, that "when he enter's Rexall, he can literally feel the negative energy in the building."

Wait, now the building is making them lose? Now I have heard everything

I have been in about 15 NHL buildings both old and new and find that watching the game is pretty similar in all of them (with the exception of MLG where I had to look around a support post). The difference between buildings is mostly in the concession area.

The losing culture has nothing to do with the city or the building.

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#52 S cottV
January 25 2014, 09:01AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Eakin's putting Smyth on the second line shows just how lost he is.

Man up, Mac-T admit your mistake and get a veteran NHL coach in here to lead a team lead by kids.

It does not matter how many coaches they have had in the past. When something is broken you fix it.

Smyth on the 2nd shows an Eakins lack of confidence in Gagner and Yak playing together. Have to admit that this is one very scary prospect. Gagner can't carry himself let alone the leagues worst plus minus player. Gagner in 2C - doesn't work for a number of reasons, but one of them is that it is really hard to fit Yak into the top 6.

Yak needs a 2C who can carry him, until one day it is not necessary. This 2C needs to be a warrior tank that is tough to play against and tough to play with - if he has to carry someone for too long. It's like "Yak if you don't dummy up and start playing on my line for real, I'm gonna have to hurt you" kind of thing.

Not sure I agree with the general tone from most media sources that suggest Eakins will survive into next year. It really seems to me that the room is lost and that this is only gonna get more ugly.

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#53 camdog
January 25 2014, 09:17AM
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Danger Pay wrote:

Thanks for the defensive brite spot JW! On a completely unrelated conversation I had tonight, I was hoping to obtain your perspective.

As a sports writer I imagine you've traveled to other arena's... and I was curious what your opinion on the Ole Rexall Arena itself was? It has to be out dated by now, compared to other Barn's.

Can the new arena/building help erase this Losing Culture Stench? Ray Ferraro himself has stated, on air, that "when he enter's Rexall, he can literally feel the negative energy in the building."

Firing Kevin Lowe would get rid of the stench. I know people don't have much for memories these days, but the negativity Lowe has created is real and it grows by the day.

From the Comrie, Souray, Pronger, Spacek, Chimera, Burke, Penner, Vanek, Bobby Ryan, Fight with the 30 man Ownership group, Ryan Smyth trade, Lombardi, Glencross, Heatley, Hossa and on and on.

The stench is real and it lies directly at the feet of Kevin Lowe. Remove Lowe, remove the negative energy, it's that simple.

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#54 nunyour
January 25 2014, 09:38AM
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I also thought petry looked brutal,my brother hasn't liked him from day one but I defended him,i think my brother was right.Our top line has to play better starting the game,and not wait till we are down.With so much talent our power play should be feared.

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#55 dman
January 25 2014, 09:47AM
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oilersd wrote:

The things Eakins is coaching are not much different than any other coach in the nhl. And while the improvements on the ice have definitely not been easy to find they are there. Taylor Hall, RNH, and Eberle have actually started to learn what playing a 200 ft game means, and they do a much better job of sustaining pressure with and creating scoring chance off the cycle. Over the last number of games they have been far more consistent in all areas of the ice. Other guys have not seen as much improvement, but if you want to look to some reasons how about the fact that Yak, for example, is only in his second year with the team and looks about as defensively sound as a 20 year old kid in his 2nd season. Except that he is behind a bunch of other highly touted skilled prospect who have more experience than he does. Unlike Hall who had (lol) Ethan Moreau and Shawn Horcoff to leap frog. I'm yak may be frustrated but I don't think he is shsttered. The mistake with yak was in not putting him in the minors I think. If Yak had spent last season in the minors the two things would be different for him and the team. One, he would have been a big fish learning to play both sides of the puck in a little pond, and, two, the oilers would have freed up a roster spot that could have been taken short term by a more veteran player. This could have significantly changed the fortunes of both the team and the player. IMO that hangs on management, but you don't make it to 1st overall pick in the nhl without dealing with a little adversity and employing a great deal of perseverance. Yak will be fine. But the last thing any of them or us needs at this point is yet another coach or gm. They need continuity. We need continuity. And if you are going to tell me that this rebuild started with Robbie Shremp and Robert Nillson then I've got a bridge to sell you...

Yak could not have played in the AHL last season.

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#56 MessyEH
January 25 2014, 10:54AM
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Please list the 1st overalls who have been sent to the minors.

(Hint... it is a very,very short list.)

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#57 dougtheslug
January 25 2014, 12:13PM
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@@Oilanderp

Is there any evidence that the player's wouldn't listen to what their last coach, Ralph Krueger, had to say? My recollection is that with arguably a worse roster, they competed pretty hard, won more games in a 48 game schedule than they are likely to this year in 82 games, and were in striking distance of a playoff spot in April. Both special teams last year were top 10 in the league. In fact the progress they made under Ralph was the reason there was so much hope this season, that many hockey people thought the corner had been turned on the rebuild. The players didn't get Ralph fired. It was Mac, acting on a whim. Without due diligence,he hired a minor league coach who thought what worked in the AHL would work in the big leagues. Under Eakins' guidance, the team has regressed in every imaginable way. Player development has stalled and gone backward. Under Eakin's AHL coaching, the team looks more like an AHL team with each game.

Management and coaches. Have. To. Go.

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#58 oilersd
January 25 2014, 03:29PM
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So are you saying that you throw away your clubs every time you don't make a hole-in-one?

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#59 oilersd
January 25 2014, 03:35PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

In golf we say, "Don't follow up a bad shot with a stupid shot."

Hiring Eakins was the bad shot.

Keeping him despite the evidence that he can't do the job, and preaching patience as the rationale, will be the stupid shot.

While I agree with your little golf quote I think I prefer to wait until the shot has a chance to land before I throw away my clubs.

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#60 MessyEH
January 25 2014, 03:55PM
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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/puck-daddy-presents-kiss-lowe-frustrated-oilers-fans-201608374--nhl.html

Check it out. It's funny cause it's true.

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#61 Rod from Viking
January 25 2014, 07:17PM
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MessyEH wrote:

Before they fire Eakins, they should fire Bucky, Smith and the damn goalie coach. Let Eakins hire his own assistants.

The only way that ever happens is when Lowe is removed from this operation.

I'll give MacT and Eakins a fair chance.

But Lowes gotta go.

I agree, Eakins and Mac T were brought in to try to change the culture, and it seems like the "core" have had their way with the previous coaches and management by being involved in decision 's they shouldn't have been. This along with premature 7 year contracts handed out by management has the room in a turmoil. I have faith in Hall and Nuge but I think Eberle and Gagner need to traded to shake up the core and more importantly bring in a player or two that will improve this team. I am so disappointed that Mac T, Katz and some of the Edmonton. Media I are telling us how critical K Lowe is to the teams future. If Kevin Lowe wants to call the hounds off he needs to be a man and tell the fans he has made a lot of mistakes and has learned by them and 06' and the rings he got as a player have nothing to do with 2014, he is not a good presser person because of his temper and competitiveness so even doing it on Oilers Now would work. This would be far from perfect but even a long time season ticket holder li e my self doesn't,t feel it is right for his family to be run out of town.

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#62 James
January 25 2014, 12:43AM
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Nothing about Cams fluff piece in the EJ?

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#63 THRNHJE
January 25 2014, 02:23AM
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Marincin has been a shining light in this dark, abysmal season. He gives hope for defense developping internally. Remember a lot of the top defenseman in the league werent drafted too high, and he is only going to get better as he fills out.

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#64 Batfink
January 25 2014, 07:37AM
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TayLordBalls wrote:

While my Oilers didn't win - I was entertained.

That was fun to watch.

Well 20 minutes of it was fun. The rest was nails down a chalkboard.

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#65 the rake
January 25 2014, 09:32AM
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It has been a painful season, but at least Marincin has been a bright spot, and hopefully will put on some weight in the offseason and continue to develop at the rate he is. We all know they need a top d-man, but at what cost do you obtain one? If they end up with a chance to get Eckblad, that gives them Eckblad, Nurse, and Klefbom. Now they may be 2-3 years away, and who knows if they turn out, but i think 2 out of 3 will for sure. Throw in Justin Schultz (still has a lot to prove) and Marincin and there is a definite upside in the future. So, are they maybe better off to go after guys like Seabrooke or Karl Alzner? Not Norris trophy type guys, but solid 2-3 guys that could help bring the young guys around. Cost would be less for these type of guys and yet still be a drastic upgrade. Ference can be a very effective d-man as a number 4 guy, he is not a top 2 guy. Then if they don't have to spend as much on acquiring a d-man they can maybe have something left to acquire an NHL caliber 2nd line center. Still think Couterier could be got. Goaltending is a whole other issue, but Brossiant has 6 shutouts in 12 games this year, maybe there is some hope there.

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#66 @mbrunihockey
January 25 2014, 09:40AM
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TopRight wrote:

I thought Ryan Jones had a real good game. Showed some pace and grit.

Did you see his post game interview? About time we see some fire and honesty around the room.

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#67 Randaman
January 25 2014, 10:15AM
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Hey JW, any more updates on the progress of Klefbom since returning from injury?

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#68 Hall the time
January 25 2014, 12:45PM
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oilersd wrote:

Somehow i doubt that MacT got his business degree and then decided to base the rest of his decisions on coin flips and a magic eight ball. Krueger was a fine coach but you can't blame MacT for putting his own stamp on this organization. It's not like Krueger could have made gags 5 inches taller and 20 lbs heavier. It is difficult to compare the two coaches anyway as the sample size for both is just too narrow. If Krueger had remained at the helm the team may well have been improved this year, but only because he would have been picking up where he left off. Continuity is the answer. Patience and continuity. And i will preemptively state that i am NOT an oilers employee or contractor. Just a regular schmo like the rest of you. I just don't live in the land of negativity that many people do.

I'm well pasted negativity. How about we just keep doing the same stuff and see if things will change magically , to me it's laughable at this point.

Negative?....... I have a smile on my face every time the Oilers get scored on and I don't know why, I'm well pasted negative bud.

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#69 Dman
January 25 2014, 01:03PM
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oilersd wrote:

I stand corrected. But my point is that he was pushed into the majors too soon and it shows this season. I maintain that he will persevere and just needs time and a more experienced and defensive 2nd line to play with.

Perhaps, but the alternative to him playing in the NHL last year was to send him back to junior. Not sure that he have would gained anything from that.

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#70 dougtheslug
January 25 2014, 01:45PM
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oilersd wrote:

Somehow i doubt that MacT got his business degree and then decided to base the rest of his decisions on coin flips and a magic eight ball. Krueger was a fine coach but you can't blame MacT for putting his own stamp on this organization. It's not like Krueger could have made gags 5 inches taller and 20 lbs heavier. It is difficult to compare the two coaches anyway as the sample size for both is just too narrow. If Krueger had remained at the helm the team may well have been improved this year, but only because he would have been picking up where he left off. Continuity is the answer. Patience and continuity. And i will preemptively state that i am NOT an oilers employee or contractor. Just a regular schmo like the rest of you. I just don't live in the land of negativity that many people do.

In golf we say, "Don't follow up a bad shot with a stupid shot."

Hiring Eakins was the bad shot.

Keeping him despite the evidence that he can't do the job, and preaching patience as the rationale, will be the stupid shot.

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#71 fasteddy
January 25 2014, 02:58PM
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@K_Mart

Unlike some I don't have all day to dig up the info, but ill take your word for it. From my perspective though, neither of those guys were leading us to the promised land. Souray could shoot and fight, but certainly didn't control the game. Vis was a number 3 at best; jitterbug through a couple guys and then lose it before creating much, in my opinion. Through the grapevine I heard Souray was such a know it all that he was intolerable....down to not letting the coaches pick restaurants on the road!

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#72 Taylor Gang
January 25 2014, 03:23PM
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I have a theory why we are losing this year.

We already knew that our defense wasn't so good coming into this season. Last season, Kruger relied heavily on the rush goals; basically our specialty. This year, Eakins implemented a more defense oriented system, meaning we have to rely on our defense more to strip the puck from opposing teams in order to create chances. Unfortunately, our defense just aren't capable of handling that much responsibility. Thoughts?

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#73 oilersd
January 25 2014, 09:38PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

This is something that I and others have been musing about ever since he was hired. How a coach can consider himself a conditioning expert is the height of arrogance and ignorance.

I think this is a bit of a reach. The issues the team has is with their lack of size and an inability to manage puck possession. It's genetics and between the ears that's the problem. Not quick reflex muscles.

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#74 oilersd
January 25 2014, 09:45PM
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S cottV wrote:

At a certain point it doesn't matter about the P, because the C - must reach the P, no matter whether or not the P is in the right or in the wrong.

The C must win over the P - period.

A reasonable time to accomplish this is a given and by anyones standards you really have to be thinking that present conditions warrant that time is just about up.

I am the first to acknowledge that this player group must be a major challenge. Young core of hot shot first overalls and first round draft picks that don't know how to play yet and have big egos. Too many small skill forwards. A weak d corp and weak goaltending. Frustration amongst the group from several years of failure and big time pressure to turn it around. It's all very tough - no question.

Still - the Coaches job is to win them over, take what is handed to him and extract over achievement.

Over achievement is subjective, but I really believe that even the most favourable to Eakins, would be hard pressed to identify even a morsel that qualifies. Those harshest to Eakins would declare that there is not a damn thing that represents any indication of over achievement with this player group.

It did not take Paul Maurice - more than a week and a half to produce some evidence of over achievement from the Jets player group. We have had Dallas Eakins for 6 months and I really cant point to anything that comes close to a comparison.

The C is a very tough job, given the P that is in place. Only the very best of the C stands a chance. Our C - is not even close to being one of the very best C's out there.

He has no chance.

We live in an instant gratification world and this is a good example. Let's roast one guy after half a season and anoint another after one week.

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#75 Lowetide
January 24 2014, 11:36PM
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Marincin. I hope he's real.

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#76 Paq Twinn
January 25 2014, 06:16AM
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I think if we had semi competent defence then our semi competent goalies would look better. Marincin is a welcome sight, need more like him but older with more experience.

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#77 Spydyr
January 25 2014, 06:55AM
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The team should hook Marincin up with Teddy Peckham's nutritionist he could could use 20 more pounds on him.

Hopefully Chara takes him under his wing at the Olympics and shows him a thing or two.

Then he comes back next year bigger, stronger and smarter.

The really sad part is a 21 year old rookie is the best defencman on the team.

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#78 Andrew
January 25 2014, 08:08AM
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Regarding Eakins' comments post game about players overt reactions by slamming doors and beaking sticks, maybe it is not just the losses piling up. Maybe it is the team telling Eakins and Oiler management that the coache(s) are the source of their frustration.

Not even, " he of the 6 rings whose name cannot be spoken by mere mortals" can fail to recognize the decline of team performance in just about every measureable team and individual category of play since Eakins has unleashed his own brand of chaos on the team and fans alike.

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#79 Loweblows
January 25 2014, 08:59AM
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Tier 3 fan here in Calgary went to the Nashville Calgary game last night. Dubnyk was crap so that made me feel a little better.

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#80 Randaman
January 25 2014, 09:37AM
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David S wrote:

Yeah Gagner had an off game but holy cow putting Smyth on his line is the kiss of death. Sam lasered a cross-ice pass onto his stick and he broke it on the shot attempt right in the freakin' slot.

And the powerplay. The g*d d*mn powerplay. What the hell has Eakins done to those guys? Used to be we had some kick ass firepower in that part of the game and now you wish we could decline them.

"Gagner had an OFF game? An OFF game like every other game he has played this year! Wake up man! Gagner has been abysmal all season. Ya, I cut him some slack early because of his jaw but he has seriously regressed. Why do you think he is still here? Because nobody wants him or that over inflated contract. Smyth on the second line instead of Yak was a stupid move on Eakins part.

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#81 Randaman
January 25 2014, 10:09AM
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the rake wrote:

It has been a painful season, but at least Marincin has been a bright spot, and hopefully will put on some weight in the offseason and continue to develop at the rate he is. We all know they need a top d-man, but at what cost do you obtain one? If they end up with a chance to get Eckblad, that gives them Eckblad, Nurse, and Klefbom. Now they may be 2-3 years away, and who knows if they turn out, but i think 2 out of 3 will for sure. Throw in Justin Schultz (still has a lot to prove) and Marincin and there is a definite upside in the future. So, are they maybe better off to go after guys like Seabrooke or Karl Alzner? Not Norris trophy type guys, but solid 2-3 guys that could help bring the young guys around. Cost would be less for these type of guys and yet still be a drastic upgrade. Ference can be a very effective d-man as a number 4 guy, he is not a top 2 guy. Then if they don't have to spend as much on acquiring a d-man they can maybe have something left to acquire an NHL caliber 2nd line center. Still think Couterier could be got. Goaltending is a whole other issue, but Brossiant has 6 shutouts in 12 games this year, maybe there is some hope there.

I know that the Smid trade upset a lot of people but Brossiant was the available piece that triggered that deal. I really liked him in junior and he will be an Oiler in my view! His season thus far has been amazing. Hey, another positive. What do you know

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#83 Johnnydapunk
January 25 2014, 11:38AM
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Danger Pay wrote:

Congratulations, you've watched games at other arena's. But did you go to the locker rooms to get interviews a those 15 Buildings? I've heard, that behind the scenes at Rexall is "Dusty""Old" " Dingy" and " Played Out".

When a business is run in an Old, Out Dated Building your telling me it doesn't have an overall effect on the business or it's employees? I'm pretty sure everyone would rather come to work in a building constructed in 2016, and was Clean, Modern, Fresh and Updated as apposed to 1977, Old, Dingy, Dusty,Overall Embarrassing.

Ray Ferraro has said, On Air " He can feel the negative energy when he enters the building" I was hoping JW could confirm what Ferraro has experienced as plausible or BS.

I honestly don't think it's the building being dusty or anything like that. It had a major renovation in 1994, and due to the design which is yes a slightly dated "style" is quite good at making an atmosphere, meaning the sound goes where it is supposed to so it's quite loud as a result.

There was a study done on it between 2006-08 by the architects HOK who stated that the building is surprisingly well maintained for a building that age. There are issues of course with the building, but it's more stuff that is fan related, like the concourse is too small, not enough washrooms things like that.

But all the losing stuff has little to do with the building, it's a result of comedy bad defence, nepotistic "leadership" and a losing mentality that is hard to shake.

The Ferraro comment wasn't meant to be taken literally, it's like saying someone has a positive vibe or whatever, it's just the Oil always losing doesn't make a terribly happy atmosphere.

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#84 samurai003
January 25 2014, 12:11PM
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This just goes to show the poor decisions made by KBlowe, MacT and Eakins. Notice Eakins never pulls the goalie? Just makes them stay in net and suffer, instead of send a message to the team. Why keep doing the same things over and over. Obviously not working.

I say, get an NHL coach, I think Eakins could be an assistant. But whos' available as a head coach?? If KLowe were fired, who'd be a good replacement? There is no way any UFA would re-sign or come to EDM with the management and coaching record right now. Really, they are making the future success tougher on themselves.

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#85 toprightcorner
January 25 2014, 12:17PM
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Mr common sense wrote:

Why is Mact not pursuing Steve ott? He is the 2nd line C we need, tough sob and a ufa.

I like Ott and would love to see him on the team. He will be a deadline trade for a pick (which Edmonton doesn't have a 2nd or 3rd) More likely to get him as UFA, Ott playing with the Oil (any pending UFA) down the stretch won't convince them to sign.

I would prefer Ott as 3rd line. How good would our bottom 6 look with Gordon, Hendricks and Joneson the 4th line?

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#86 outdoorzguy
January 25 2014, 12:35PM
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Danger Pay wrote:

Congratulations, you've watched games at other arena's. But did you go to the locker rooms to get interviews a those 15 Buildings? I've heard, that behind the scenes at Rexall is "Dusty""Old" " Dingy" and " Played Out".

When a business is run in an Old, Out Dated Building your telling me it doesn't have an overall effect on the business or it's employees? I'm pretty sure everyone would rather come to work in a building constructed in 2016, and was Clean, Modern, Fresh and Updated as apposed to 1977, Old, Dingy, Dusty,Overall Embarrassing.

Ray Ferraro has said, On Air " He can feel the negative energy when he enters the building" I was hoping JW could confirm what Ferraro has experienced as plausible or BS.

The Oilers dressing room is state of the art and the ice is one of the best surfaces in the league. That's all that should matter to them.

The negativity is the aura emanating from Klowe.

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#87 K_Mart
January 25 2014, 01:00PM
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For those of you wondering what good firing Klowe would do... It's preventative. It won't save this season, but it will prevent Lowe from whispering the names of players like Belov and Joensuu in the ear of MacT next season and for seasons to come.

I'm not saying Lowe was the reason the oilers were high on those players, but he's the constant and there's a good chance he's been the one that's behind several bad moves.

Who liked Ryan Whitney more than Vis? Who pushed Souray out of town? Who wanted stoll and greene gone? Who liked belov? Joensuu? Labarara? Belanger? Eager?

I don't know how many of the bad moves were due to Lowe, Tambo, or MacT, but I do know that Lowe was here the whole time. Katz can't blame Lowe for the performance of the players, that's on them, but he can prevent him from making poor decisions in the future by getting rid of him. My hope is that MacT just ignores him if Katz refuses to get rid of him.

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#88 toprightcorner
January 25 2014, 01:01PM
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JW, I like stats, but would you sat Hendricks is proving they don't tell the whole picture?

His intensity, leadership, character and positive energy is exactly what the team needs and can have an unmeasurable positive impact on the team.

I still believe he was a good addition and even though he is being paid $750k more than he should, that's a cheap price to pay out of next years $70 mill cap hit to teach these attributes to the younger players.

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#89 toprightcorner
January 25 2014, 01:34PM
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With JW saying Bryz was bad I had to re watch the highlights cause I didn't thing there were any softies.

1st goal, Boedker perfect top corner shot off the bar. Everyone would be raving about Hall's shot if he scored a goal like that - no chance for Bryz

2nd goal, Vrbata left alone in the slot on PP - n chance for Bryz

3rd goal, Morris tees it up with a Nuge screen, picks the top corner - not much of a chance for Bryz, maybe gets that 3 out of 10

4th goal, Ribero deflects a weak shot from bad angle but huge puck redirection, lucky for PHX but not much chance for Bryz

Just because 3 goals in 4 min and 4 goals in the game means poor goalie performance. How about 3 significant breakdowns that turned into great scoring chances that were cashed in.

To me, Bryz getz zero blame for that loss and made some good saves while they were on the comback

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#90 S cottV
January 25 2014, 02:00PM
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Lets see how the next several games go because it really doesn't look good and if the trend continues - omg - you cant keep Eakins for the sake of keeping him.

It doesn't take much to read between the lines that Eakins has either lost or is very close to losing the room.

If an or when this happens - there really is no other choice.

The Coach must be able to influence a buy in of his concepts, achieve implementation and in turn, extract over achievement from the player group. There is not one facet of over achievement that anyone including Eakins can point to, here - there or anywhere and declare over achievement.

If somehow - the d zone coverage starts coming together or the pp starts to click, or the team starts looking more steady - or - heaven forbid the Oilers start winning some games, maybe you extend things to see if the positive trends continue.

But - at this point and continued negative trending, geez - let him go at the Olympic break.

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#91 Rick Stroppel
January 25 2014, 02:29PM
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He Who Knows wrote:

Who is trashing this dude's comments???? Sick, twisted people out there. Maybe it's the paid shills trashing comments that speak the truth about how fans feel.

A LITTLE ORIGINALITY PLEASE

The people who trashed that comment do not support Lowe. They are just TIRED of seeing the same comment posted OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

" Fire Lowe " means nothing to me. Please give us something unique, insightful, and/or funny.

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#92 Hall the time
January 25 2014, 02:55PM
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To those who have tied themselves to the rhetorical mast that we have fired so many that to fire another is counterproductive I ask: you would fire him if that wasn't the situation because he is incompetent, why would you keep because it is the situation? In either circumstance he is incompetent.

Your argument here seems to be:

1. Eakins is incompetent.

2. One should fire an incompetent coach regardless of past coach performance.

3. Eakins should be fired.

While I completely agree with #2, I really don't know about the truth of #1, and you've done nothing to show me that this is the case. However, there is at least a bit of evidence that #1 is NOT the case.

Assume P=Players, C=Coach.

If P+C1 = fail, P+C2=fail, P+C3=fail, P+C4=fail, P+C5=fail ....

Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting to me that P + C6 = success?!?!?!? It seems to me that any reasonable person would have a look at 'P'.

Look at a game and tell me with a straight face there isn't a problem with P, or am I just 'P'ing in the wind here?

Are you talking about Buckberger and SSmith in c1 though c5.

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#93 MessyEH
January 25 2014, 03:47PM
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To those who have tied themselves to the rhetorical mast that we have fired so many that to fire another is counterproductive I ask: you would fire him if that wasn't the situation because he is incompetent, why would you keep because it is the situation? In either circumstance he is incompetent.

Your argument here seems to be:

1. Eakins is incompetent.

2. One should fire an incompetent coach regardless of past coach performance.

3. Eakins should be fired.

While I completely agree with #2, I really don't know about the truth of #1, and you've done nothing to show me that this is the case. However, there is at least a bit of evidence that #1 is NOT the case.

Assume P=Players, C=Coach.

If P+C1 = fail, P+C2=fail, P+C3=fail, P+C4=fail, P+C5=fail ....

Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting to me that P + C6 = success?!?!?!? It seems to me that any reasonable person would have a look at 'P'.

Look at a game and tell me with a straight face there isn't a problem with P, or am I just 'P'ing in the wind here?

You have failed to note that the variable P has changed substantially in the last 4 seasons. Hell the Roster turned over by better then half in the last 2 years.

The only variable that has never changed is the Lowest one.

At the top.

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#94 hankthetank
January 25 2014, 04:38PM
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Holy. Can we get a write up on Gazzers 100mph slapshot yet?

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#95 Dave
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Shouldn't the Oilers with all of their "talent" have a better power play ? Does the poor power play the result of poor coaching ? I think it does.

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#96 S cottV
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@oilersd

At least Maurice has produced a morsel of over achievement. Name something Eakins has produced?

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#97 Ed in Edmonton
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Yeah Gagner had an off game but holy cow putting Smyth on his line is the kiss of death. Sam lasered a cross-ice pass onto his stick and he broke it on the shot attempt right in the freakin' slot.

And the powerplay. The g*d d*mn powerplay. What the hell has Eakins done to those guys? Used to be we had some kick ass firepower in that part of the game and now you wish we could decline them.

Still waiting for the buzz bombing.

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#98 Guy Lafleur
January 25 2014, 09:18AM
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I dont know why they dont call up the Oklahoma defence and send the Oiler defemce to Oklahoma .

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#99 Randaman
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Show me da Money wrote:

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

Please don't let Martin Marincin become RUINED by his Oiler team mates.

I look forward to see how Dubnyk turns out in a few months having been traded from the Oilers. If he greatly improves that might say something about the team.

Right now it seems to poison almost everyone who plays there the exceptions being Perron and Gordon.

Hendricks, Perron & Gordon should be left alone to build chemistry which it seems Hendricks & Gordon already have from before. That line is real good. Hall, Eberle & Nuge should be left alone as well with the exception of putting some weight on the line once in a while when other teams take liberties with them. The other two lines (2 & 4) really need work! Not to get ahead of ourselves here but #85 looks like he will be an excellent #3/4 option for a long time and with a little more weight will be a force! I really like his game. I'm tired of the negative thoughts (mentally draining). Let's try to focus on the positive we see going into the draft and next year. Wait, where have I heard that before. LOL One more thing, I seriously hope that if Eakins gets fired that the assistants don't survive again or the revolving door will continue. That is the real reason Eakins was hired because a coach with experience will not want an inherited staff! Plain and simple. My thoughts...

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#100 tileguy
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Hendricks, Gordon and Jones sgould be left together to build chemistry. They make an excellent shurdown 3rd line, with passion, grit, enforcing, skating, smarts and will chip in with a few goals. 1st and 3rd line set, now some serious work on the second and defence.

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