BEETHOVEN WAS DEAF. HELEN KELLER WAS BLIND. I THINK ROCKY'S GOT A CHANCE

Lowetide
January 25 2014 04:42PM

Several sources confirmed that Craig MacTavish and Kevin Lowe were at the Flyers-Bruins game today. Mr. Panaccio (a respected source) tells us the Oilers have been there before, so what are they looking for? What do the Flyers need?

OILERS LOOKING FOR SKYSCRAPERS!

I don't think there's much doubt about the players Edmonton would be looking for when viewing the Flyers.

  • Braydon Coburn, veteran defenseman who is having a solid year. We've discussed that top pairing lefty for Edmonton many times, and we know the Oilers-Flyers talked about this player at last year's draft.
  • Wayne Simmonds, again a player mentioned often as being an ideal acquisition. I assume the Oilers would plug him in on a skill line at RW. What that says about the name heading out is interesting.
  • Sean Couturier, whose reputation as a two-way center might be running well ahead of his actual value, but that happens with young people.

There are tons more, from the unusual (Scott Hartnell) to the very unusual (Steve Downie) to the likely untouchable (Brayden Schenn). MacT and Holmgren talked at length during the draft and I imagine the same suspects are being discussed now.

What might have changed? What's going the other way.

WHAT DOES PHILLY NEED?

I think there's some evidence that the match could be stronger today than in summer or fall. Why? Two reasons. The Oilers don't have the pressure of making the playoffs to worry over, but the Flyers do. A trade that helps them now is likely front and center, whereas Edmonton can look more into the future.

Second, the problems of summer are slightly different, with some holes being filled (Edmonton doesn't need a center quite like they did, and their young defensemen have developed more—giving a team like Philly a nice chance to glimpse the future).

  • Kurt R, Broad Street Bullies: How many guys on this team do you watch and think "this guy skates really well" or "this guy moves around the ice nicely"? Four? Five, in total? The three guys on the top line, Matt Read, and ... then what? Braydon Coburn is this team's quickest defenseman, and though I like Braydon Coburn a lot and think he's a plus skater, that shouldn't be the case for any team that considers itself to be decent.

Interesting. The Flyers are looking for speed merchants, and the Oilers are looking for veterans. This is a nicer match than in summer, when we heard Smid whispers, or fall when it was about Eberle.

WHO ARE THE FAST AND FURIOUS OILERS BLUE?

That's one thing about the Oiler kids on the blue: most can scoot. Justin Schultz is freaky on skates, Jeff Petry is a smooth skater, Marincin is all arms and legs but can bust a move, even the minor leaguers like Klefbom and Gernat can go man go. The question is: which one do the Flyers want? Edmonton has several, and I imagine a deal could be struck for a player outside the NHL quickly. No, I'd bet it is someone playing NHL hockey currently, which leaves Schultz, Petry and Marincin. Unlikely they'd move Marincin so soon, right?

Up front, once again there are all kinds of options available. I'd say the Flyers would be looking for wingers, since they appear set for a long time down the middle (Giroux, Schenn, Couturier). The other thing about center? This Scott Laughton kid looks like he might be the real thing.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

The Oilers have been a million-to-one shot since Pronger left town. Perhaps the city of Brotherly Love offers Craig MacTavish a puncher's chance at making things right and finding a brand new day.

Names like Coburn, Couturier and Simmonds on one side and Justin Schultz, Jeff Petry and Ales Hemsky on the other may make sense for both sides.

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#101 camdog
January 26 2014, 08:55AM
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From TSN the Reporters:

Bruce Arthur, National Post: My thumb is up to the Edmonton Oilers, because you can't be too careful these days. No sir, you have to watch out, especially when you are in year eight of a rebuild that has produced: three No. 1 overall picks, three other top-10 picks, five head coaches, no playoff appearances, public money for a new arena, an estimate that the franchise has nearly doubled in value, and one KevinLowe, who is currently the franchise's president of hockey operations. So when a guy tows a sign that reads “Kevin Lowe must go” in multicoloured letters outside your office, you'd better call the police, which you did, in case it turned violent. Because that's not a humiliating indication of a bunker mentality shared by a franchise whose treatment of its fans borders on a prank at this point. Right?

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#102 Brad 21
January 26 2014, 08:56AM
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All we need is a couple of gritty defencemen like a Matt Greene and a Jan Hejda. And a about 4 forwards with some grit to their game like a Curtis Glencross, Jarret Stoll, Jason Chimera, Andrew Cogliano or Kyle Brodziak. Doh. That's right Lowe let them walk or traded them for magic beans. We should be very competitive right at this moment in time unfortunately Lowe cannot see what is required. He is incompetent and needs to go. The Oilers are going to pay a kings ransom now for what we had for free before.

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#103 K_Mart
January 26 2014, 09:00AM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Ok, good points.

I might not call Simmons average myself, however, I don't see where size is as big an issue as most people make it out to be & I feel Eberle is just starting to become a great player.

Defense is the Oilers worst problem followed by centre depth, everything stems from having a good defense.

I agree that Eberle has value, but I have to disagree that Yakupov has very much at all.

If you want to trade a good player with value then I've suggested before that Peron makes the most sense.

All the same, Chicago was the smaller team out of the last few years to win the cup.

Get a 1 & 2 defensemen, get the rest of the team playing in the proper order, a number 2-C who can handle tougher players and has some skill to push the river the other way & you will forget Simmons name all together.

Agreed. If MacT insists on moving a big piece to get an established d man it should be done with a Perron+ package, not Eberle or Yak.

The Oilers need size and grit in the top six, but they need a top end d man more. I'd argue they need goaltending more than they need to fix the top six.

Perron+ for Roman Josi out of Nash. He's young but not too young and he logs a massive amount of ice time for them. And they need offense.

I'd also like to get one of Mcdonagh, Hamonic, Macdonald, or Brodin. D men that are on the cusp of being #1's but are still 2-3's. These are the d men id be targeting and asking if a Perron package can get a deal done. Essentially that would mean MacT got the Oil a top 2 d man for MPS.

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#104 Rick Stroppel
January 26 2014, 09:00AM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

YOU PEOPLE ARE A BUNCH OF LOSERS...

JOSH OILER HAS LOST IT!

Josh Oiler has lost his sh!t. FIVE PEOPLE PROPPED THIS COMMENT! Sweet mother of God, in the name of everything that is holy in hockey, PLEASE TELL ME THAT YOU WENT TO TRASH HIM AND YOUR FINGER SLIPPED!

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#105 oilersd
January 26 2014, 09:05AM
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Rdubb wrote:

I like the trade Lowetide, & it does SEEM TO work for both sides... I am also becoming more of a fan of yours on TSN 1260, mostly because you are one of the only ones who seems to think (same as me) that Eberle is & should be part of this core moving forward, along with Hall, RNH, Perron, Hendricks, Marincin, Gernat, & Schultz.. I feel all others should be on the trade block, especially guys like Hemsky, Gagner, Yak, Petry...all guys who could bring back players who are needed on this team to move forward next season. I feel a good ove on MacT's part would be to move multiple players and bring back one in return, thus allowing for some to step up or to bring up some from OKC and see what they can do for the remaining part of this lost season, another lost season. Bringing up guys and seeing what they can do is something that upper management hasn't done in the past, but they should. Trade Yak, Hemmer & Petry for a Simmonds & Coburn would allow Simmonds to play the right side on the 2nd line and thus allow MacT to bring up Klefbom or Gernat... Just my thoughts Peck

First off thank you for bringing something other than the blind negativity and hate that is rife on these blog sites. I sometimes feel like there is nothing but hopelessness in oil country sand it is a real turn off.

I agree with you that there is a lot to like in the core players you want to keep, but you have to give something to get something. I once heard it said that the best deal is one where both sides are a little unhappy. In the context of the oilers that will likely mean that a really good player is going to have to go the other way in order for this team to get what it truly needs to succeed. I look to a team like Columbus trading Rick Nash. That must've been a tough pill to swallow for their fan base and management alike, but it has completely changed the make-up and thus fortunes of that team. The same will likely be true for the Oilers. So as much as I don't want to lose an Eberle or a Perron or a Schultz (or even *gasp* Hall or RNH) I think that it is something that we as fans may have to swallow before we see real success for this team.

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#106 yaz
January 26 2014, 09:12AM
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Go Buffalo...1 point back and 3 games in hand, we've got a lock on the lottery now !

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#107 The Beaker
January 26 2014, 09:16AM
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yaz wrote:

Go Buffalo...1 point back and 3 games in hand, we've got a lock on the lottery now !

We've had a lock on "the lottery" for quite sometime. Starting to win the race to the bottom is extremely sad though. Literally the worst we could draft now is 4th.

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#108 oilersd
January 26 2014, 09:22AM
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camdog wrote:

From TSN the Reporters:

Bruce Arthur, National Post: My thumb is up to the Edmonton Oilers, because you can't be too careful these days. No sir, you have to watch out, especially when you are in year eight of a rebuild that has produced: three No. 1 overall picks, three other top-10 picks, five head coaches, no playoff appearances, public money for a new arena, an estimate that the franchise has nearly doubled in value, and one KevinLowe, who is currently the franchise's president of hockey operations. So when a guy tows a sign that reads “Kevin Lowe must go” in multicoloured letters outside your office, you'd better call the police, which you did, in case it turned violent. Because that's not a humiliating indication of a bunker mentality shared by a franchise whose treatment of its fans borders on a prank at this point. Right?

He says from the safety of a keyboard. How many teams has this guy run? Oh wait... has a journalism degree? Mm mm, qualified. These guys are trying to sell subscriptions and retain viewership. So they cater to the lowest common denominator. And since it parallels the negative attitude of the most vociferous fans he wins. Yay him.

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#109 Dan
January 26 2014, 09:31AM
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The fact that Lowe is scouting with MacT says that he is still running a large part of the show. I'd like to trade KLowe to be honest...don't trust this Oiler mgt in making a big trade.

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#110 Loweblows
January 26 2014, 09:35AM
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I wonder if we win one more game before the end of the season?

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#111 Loweblows
January 26 2014, 09:37AM
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Rick Stroppel wrote:

JOSH OILER HAS LOST IT!

Josh Oiler has lost his sh!t. FIVE PEOPLE PROPPED THIS COMMENT! Sweet mother of God, in the name of everything that is holy in hockey, PLEASE TELL ME THAT YOU WENT TO TRASH HIM AND YOUR FINGER SLIPPED!

Actually he just logged in 5 times with a different email.

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#112 TayLordBalls
January 26 2014, 09:40AM
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KL: Business tip: Its better to finish last than 10 points out of the playoffs.

Results are the same but a higher draft pick is the result.

Trades to increase standings at this stage are not beneficial.

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#113 The Beaker
January 26 2014, 09:48AM
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TayLordBalls wrote:

KL: Business tip: Its better to finish last than 10 points out of the playoffs.

Results are the same but a higher draft pick is the result.

Trades to increase standings at this stage are not beneficial.

you actually think there is a trade out there to be made that will make enough of an impact that we could say catch florida? even if they were making the team better through trade right now thats not going to happen.

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#114 oasis
January 26 2014, 09:50AM
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Josh Oilers wrote:

Everyone playing armchair GM?????

Talking about never to happen Trade Scenarios????

YOU BUNCH OF LOSERS... STOP SUPPORTING THE PRODUCT!!!!!!

LOSERS!!!

After 10 years of Seasons tickets I should give them up so the 9,000 people on the waiting list scoop them up? In the meantime Katz either moves the team as threatened before or he pulls his head out of his a$$ and brings in fresh blood and turns the team around. As a result my tickets are long gone with no chance of ever getting them back especially with the new arena forthcoming.

Why don't you take your opinions elsewhere? When you see every single one of your comments get trashed to sh!t do you ever think that maybe you're the one out to lunc?. The 6 props you got a while ago might just be the first props I have ever saw one of your comments get and they were probably the result of drunkenness, mistakingly hitting the wrong button, or perhaps you found the 6 other idiots on this board.

The billboards, jersey throws, paper bags, chants, etc are going to eventually get enought attention and attract so much embarrassment to the team that they will have to act. I just don't see a boycott happening in this town when there is 5 fans lined up to fill your seat, should you choose to give it up. Why don't you organize the boycott, you seem to be so in tune with people judging by how much they agree with your posts.

IDIOT

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#115 oilersd
January 26 2014, 10:01AM
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Brad 21 wrote:

All we need is a couple of gritty defencemen like a Matt Greene and a Jan Hejda. And a about 4 forwards with some grit to their game like a Curtis Glencross, Jarret Stoll, Jason Chimera, Andrew Cogliano or Kyle Brodziak. Doh. That's right Lowe let them walk or traded them for magic beans. We should be very competitive right at this moment in time unfortunately Lowe cannot see what is required. He is incompetent and needs to go. The Oilers are going to pay a kings ransom now for what we had for free before.

Definitely wish they had Stoll and Matt Greene still. And I also agree that cogliano would be better than gagne. But if they kept all of them they might have been middle of the road this whole time which would make them the Calgary flames. I don't think I could handle that.

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#116 camdog
January 26 2014, 10:04AM
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oilersd wrote:

He says from the safety of a keyboard. How many teams has this guy run? Oh wait... has a journalism degree? Mm mm, qualified. These guys are trying to sell subscriptions and retain viewership. So they cater to the lowest common denominator. And since it parallels the negative attitude of the most vociferous fans he wins. Yay him.

So what you are saying is that what he has written isn't true? Sometimes the truth hurts doesn't it?

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#117 Cain
January 26 2014, 10:08AM
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Josh Oilers wrote:

Everyone playing armchair GM?????

Talking about never to happen Trade Scenarios????

YOU BUNCH OF LOSERS... STOP SUPPORTING THE PRODUCT!!!!!!

LOSERS!!!

Josh,

I usually enjoy your dumb-a$$ comments, with the caveat that I understand you enjoy getting under people's skin in order to elicit a response. You show up day after day and do your best to irritate and annoy. I'm okay with that, in fact I applaud your audacity.

You seem to enjoy the attention you get from a comment,any comment that is directed your way.It doesn't matter whether the comment is approving or disapproving of whatever drivel you have just posted.

Why you enjoy having the spotlight on you even if it is for the purpose of ridiculing you is a mystery to me. Perhaps that is something you could discuss with your homeroom teacher or,even better, Mommy and Daddy.

In any event, please put more effort into your future comments than this. There is no thought,no comedic value, and nothing to even get mad enough to post anything negative about you or your inevitable future as a disappointment to your aforementioned Mommy and Daddy.

As a fan of yours (and can we agree, probably your only fan)I am hugely disappointed in this pathetic effort,even if it is Sunday morning.

Get it together Josh, we deserve better!!! If you can't get the job done, we'll find a Troll who is willing to at least show up and put in an honest effort.

Lotsa Love, Cain.

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#118 Reagan
January 26 2014, 10:19AM
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Josh Oiler. I stopped financially supporting this product four years ago. My season tickets wetter given up with out an hassle. I guess you can call me a tier two fan now. There were a number of us that stopped buying. Issue being is there was a line up of fans and business owners wanting in... It will never stop.

For calling a bunch of fans idiots publicly was harsh and not called for. Oiler fans should feel free to publicly state a trade idea consider that the column was about hearsay and evidence the oilers management was seen at the Flyers game. Now isn't this site built towards the fan in mind? Ironically the Oilers web site over moderates discussions and fans choose this site as their outlet of frustration. It is apparent that you are new to this forum. Maybe a home at the oilers official page would suit you better? Raging on the readers of oilersnation have put you in the disbanded column.

Hey that's just my opinion.

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#119 6 ring circus
January 26 2014, 10:46AM
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@oasis

After 14 years I've had enough of supporting the Oilers,problem 1and 1A are Katz and Lowe and neither one is going anywhere.How pathetic that Katz still supports his POHO just because he idolized him from the glory days,based on his track record and arrogance he should of been fired long ago and that line up of fans they have for seasons tickets will eventually go away to, it might already of happened.The Staged press conferences,ownership letters and season seat holder surveys are all about nothing ,this is the most poorly run sports franchise in sports and I refuse to be a part of it,supporting the team by continuing to buy tickets,would make me part of the problem ,I will find other forms of entertainment to spend my money on and the Oilers will be at the bottom of my list, just like they are in the hockey standings.

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#120 Oasis
January 26 2014, 10:55AM
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6 ring circus wrote:

After 14 years I've had enough of supporting the Oilers,problem 1and 1A are Katz and Lowe and neither one is going anywhere.How pathetic that Katz still supports his POHO just because he idolized him from the glory days,based on his track record and arrogance he should of been fired long ago and that line up of fans they have for seasons tickets will eventually go away to, it might already of happened.The Staged press conferences,ownership letters and season seat holder surveys are all about nothing ,this is the most poorly run sports franchise in sports and I refuse to be a part of it,supporting the team by continuing to buy tickets,would make me part of the problem ,I will find other forms of entertainment to spend my money on and the Oilers will be at the bottom of my list, just like they are in the hockey standings.

I know you're frustrated as am I. That's why I have given away the rest of my seats to charity and employees as I no longer wish to be at the games. I will still watch at home, but I am not going to invest as much time as before.

I think eventually if the pressure keeps up, Katz will have to fold and get rid of Lowe. I am just not at the point where I am going to give up my seats forever, especially after going to every single game for the past 8 years and all the time I have invested. If Lowe is fired and somebody turns this ship around I will be left out in the cold with no seats watching the Oilers return to their glory while I sit at home.

I think there are other ways to show my displeasure and protest. Giving up my seat just to have it filled by another really won't accomplish much. There are other ways. But to each their own and if you have decided to give up your seats then the more power to you.

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#121 Serious Gord
January 26 2014, 10:56AM
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oilersd wrote:

He says from the safety of a keyboard. How many teams has this guy run? Oh wait... has a journalism degree? Mm mm, qualified. These guys are trying to sell subscriptions and retain viewership. So they cater to the lowest common denominator. And since it parallels the negative attitude of the most vociferous fans he wins. Yay him.

Doesn't take a chicken to judge an egg.

And its not like there isnt any evidence to support his position.

Christ, they called the cops(!!);

They ban anyone from parking at games if they have a fire lowe bumpersticker;

They reportedly have banned the latest jersey tosser;

they will also ban you if you wear a "fire Lowe" T-shirt to a game.

And the on-ice record speaks (shrieks!!) for itself.

Mr. Arthur is dead-on accurate.

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#122 Mike Modano's Dog
January 26 2014, 11:11AM
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huskamania wrote:

Oil shouldn't rush into anything other teams are desperate to help in their playoff run. Oilers have time since they are out, I would just pick the number 1 overall or wait till draft day and make a trade for the right center then after if the habs haven't signed pk put an offer sheet of 9 mill for 5 years then you don't need to trade for a top pairing defenseman and you lose draft choices which they don't need.

We cannot trade next year's draft pick no matter what.

If there was one team who you would guess is most likely to pick first overall it has to be the Oilers.

You don't give up getting the next generational talent for anybody.

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#123 RJ
January 26 2014, 12:13PM
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I don't think top-2D is the critical need. Its in net. It makes me wonder what the ransom was for Schneider. A 1st, a second, and something else is what was reported.

It's easy now with 20-20 hindsight to say the Oilers would have been much better off starting the season with a Schneider/Dubnyk combo for a season, than with a Dubnyk/Labarbera combo. How long has it been since the Oilers had a better than average goalie? Roloson in the cup run?

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#124 Rick Stroppel
January 26 2014, 12:33PM
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MY LAST COMMENT ABOUT JOSH OILER EVER, I PROMISE

Everybody who has EVER propped ANY of Josh Oiler's comments in the past, could you please identify yourself and apologize to the rest of ON.

And then we can get back to talking about hockey.

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#125 Serious Gord
January 26 2014, 12:53PM
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Mike Modano's Dog wrote:

We cannot trade next year's draft pick no matter what.

If there was one team who you would guess is most likely to pick first overall it has to be the Oilers.

You don't give up getting the next generational talent for anybody.

You absolutely DO trade the pick if the current crop of stars cannot wait four plus years for the pick to develop. And that most definitely is the case with the oil.

Hindsight being 20/20 there is some strength to the argument that EDM may have done better if they had traded hall and nuge down to get a ist round pick and a veteran player. And that those picks could have been d men instead of forwards.

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#126 Dockstaff
January 26 2014, 01:08PM
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Brad 21 wrote:

All we need is a couple of gritty defencemen like a Matt Greene and a Jan Hejda. And a about 4 forwards with some grit to their game like a Curtis Glencross, Jarret Stoll, Jason Chimera, Andrew Cogliano or Kyle Brodziak. Doh. That's right Lowe let them walk or traded them for magic beans. We should be very competitive right at this moment in time unfortunately Lowe cannot see what is required. He is incompetent and needs to go. The Oilers are going to pay a kings ransom now for what we had for free before.

Kevin Lowe has made mistakes along the way, but each transaction you name here, with the exception of Brodziak, was actually a good move.

Greene was moved at a time when the Oil had solid D, and Greene was the slowest and lowest performing of the group. Stoll wanted more money than he was worth. Trade the two for a very promising puck moving Dman in Visnovsky - Good Move! Signing an unproven Visnovsky to a four year $7M/yr contract - Dumb move!

Cogliano was doing nothing and the entire town was crying for him to be moved. A draft pick was worth the shot. The problem was having a piss-poor amateur scouting program and a GM that wastes picks! Check out Jonathan Willis' article on the trade.

At 35 Hejda is just recently coming into his own. For a contemporary comparison it would be like sitting on Sutton or Potter for another three seasons hoping they'll finally pick it up.

Chimera wasn't getting it done either, and didn't fit the Oiler game plan of speed and youth. He didn't deliver on the wily veteran role he was supposed to deliver, and besides we all wanted Smytty back.

Finally letting Glencross go wasn't as bad of an idea as not replacing him with a like-styled player. Glencross types are prevalent; so the error again lies with scouting and GM for not finding a cheaper replacement.

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#127 oilersd
January 26 2014, 01:14PM
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camdog wrote:

So what you are saying is that what he has written isn't true? Sometimes the truth hurts doesn't it?

No I'm saying that he brings nothing to the table. All he is doing is catering to negativity. He is taking the low road in order to create buzz which in turn makes money for his employers thus keeping him employed. It makes him look like the journalistic equivalent of a rubbernecker. As I said. Yay for him. And yay for you defending him.

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#128 Huskamania
January 26 2014, 01:42PM
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Mike Modano's Dog wrote:

We cannot trade next year's draft pick no matter what.

If there was one team who you would guess is most likely to pick first overall it has to be the Oilers.

You don't give up getting the next generational talent for anybody.

so what I am hearing is trade established top end young talent for some players that are average to start progression. We have had 3 first over all picks plus 1 more first over 99% sure this year I think if you want talent from another team without giving away talent you put the offer sheet. This years draft is in June, free agency offers after July 1 so you still get this years 1st overall whoever it may be then try to steal a player that is great first line pairing and only give up first over all picks for the next 3 years. When do the Oilers plan on moving out of lottery picks and if this team plans on another 3 or 4 year rebuild they will lose the ones they already have. PK would fit great with our kids why not try it who cares if the Habs hate us its part of the game.

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#129 dragon
January 27 2014, 02:45PM
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Lowetide: "Edmonton doesn't need a center quite like they did" REALLY? Oh, because they do have RNH and that's all you need in a hockey game: 1 (one) center...

I'm either dumb or just very surprised. I suspect a bit of both at this juncture in the Oilers season.

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#130 marco vidal
January 29 2014, 06:32PM
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@Brad 21

They had to let them go, how do you rebuild if you are finishing in the middle of the pack still?? Rebuild means to bottom out, not holding on to your good players yet still finish at the bottom ... it doesn't happen that way.

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