GDB 55.0: BACK-TO-BACK ON EVEN GROUND

Jason Gregor
January 27 2014 01:54PM

For the second time this season the Oilers will face a team where both of them of are playing on consecutive nights. The Oilers lost 5-4 to the Blackhawks earlier this season. Last night while the Oilers were dominating the Predators 5-1, the Canucks defeated the Coyotes 5-4 in OT, and tonight the Oilers will look to improve their ugly record in back-to-back games.

The Oilers are 1-5-2 in the second game of back-to-backs while the Canucks are 5-4-2. Dallas Eakins will play the odds and give Ben Scrivens the night off, despite a solid performance last night, and start Ilya Bryzgalov. I understand why he is going with Bryzgalov, most goalies Sv% is lower the second night, but I thought he might roll the dice and go with Scrivens.

Scrivens played back-to-back once this year with LA, winning both games and posting a shutout on the second night. Last season Scrivens played consecutive games once, shutting out Florida the first night, but then he allowed 4 goals on 13 shots in 46 minutes vs. Tampa the following night.

Those are the only two times in his career he's started back-to-back, and while the odds say it is better to give your goalie a rest on the 2nd night, I would have went with Scrivens, mainly due to Bryzgalov's brutal play so far in 2014.

In six starts in 2014 he is 1-4-1 and his numbers in those starts aren't very good:

January 03rd vs. Ana... 5-2 L with a .865Sv%
January 05th vs. TB..... 5-3 W with a .889Sv%
January 07th vs STL.... 5-2 L with a .862Sv%
January 14th vs. DALL.5-2 L with a .862Sv%
January 18th vs WGP.. 3-2 L with a .923Sv%
January 24th vs. PHO. 4-3 L with a .862Sv%

He has an ugly .877 Sv% in his last six games, and he needs to find some consistency in his game. I haven't seen anything from Bryzgalov that would suggest the Oilers will be interested in re-signing him, and if he has aspirations of signing with another team in the summer he needs to improve.

He will need to be much better tonight if the Oilers want to win two straight for the first time in a month.

While Eakins is playing the odds, the Canucks will start Roberto Luongo for the second straight game.

Luongo has started both games of a back-to-back twice this season, and he's 1-1 and played great in both. He had a solid .931 SV% in a 2-1 loss to Chicago and a sparkling .951SV% in a 6-2 drubbing of the Bruins. 

It is interesting to note that Luongo and his back up, Eddie Lack, have almost identical number, yet the Canucks will go with the veteran. 

In 37 starts Luongo has a .922Sv% and a 2.23 GAA.
In 20 appearances Lack has a .922Sv% and a 2.18 GAA.

With Chicago coming to town on Wednesday, I wonder if the Canucks feel tonight is a game they must win, thus going with their starter? Prior to this season the last time Luongo started on consecutive nights was November 20th and 21st of 2010. He got pulled the first game vs. Chicago, and then lost the next night vs. Phoenix and both games his sv% was below .890.

Under Tortorella he has played very well in the 2nd game, albeit a very small sample size of two games, so it will be interesting to see which coach looks better after the game. Eakins for playing the odds or the Canucks for going with their starter.

LINEUP...

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Perron-Gagner-Yakupov
Hendricks-Gordon-Jones
Gazdic-Smyth-Joensuu

Marincin-Petry
N.Schultz-J.Schultz
Belov-Potter

Bryzgalov

Smyth's line had a very strong game last night. They were very good on the cycle and gave the Oilers an early boost on the J.Schultz goal. We'll see how often Eakins uses them tonight, but if they get off to a good start he'd be wise to give them 8-10 min of ES time.

Martin Marincin continues to play very well. He is poised, smart and usually he has very good positioning. It was only a few months ago that people were ripping Stu MacGregor for his draft picks outside of the top-ten. I've mentioned it many times, but it is worth repeating, you usually wait five years after a draft class to accurately evaluate picks outside of the first round. If Marincin keeps playing like this, and Pitlick keeps developing, the 2010 class could turn out to be outstanding. We'll see.

QUICK HITS...

  • I asked Smyth his thoughts if MacTavish approached him about a trade. "It is out of my control, because I don't have a no-trade clause, but if he approached me I'd listen. It would be tough, because I love playing in Edmonton, but..," said Smyth.

    In the past few weeks I've exchanged texts with a few GMs and scouts and asked their thoughts on Smyth.  "He could add some depth in your bottom six. He can kill penalties and he is still good in front of the net on the PP. I think he's better when you monitor his icetime," said one scout.
     
  • Smyth should benefit nicely from the Olympic break. He'll have a chance to rest, and I believe a few teams will inquire about him. Last year many scoffed when the Blackhawks picked up Michal Handzus at the deadline, but he ended up playing top-six minutes for them in the playoffs and was a valuable asset during the Cup run.

    I don't see Smyth playing top-six minutes, but teams love experience and guys who know how to compete every night. Smyth does that, and I could see him being moved before the deadline likely for a mid-round pick. 
     
  • A player people need to go watch and potential free agents....Read here.

TONIGHT...

GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Oilers struggles in back-to-back games continue with a 4-2 loss.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Eberle continues his recent hot streak and scores on the PP.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Early in the second period Bieksa fires a shot from the point and it deflects off a stick into Zack Kassian's grill. He is bloodied and as he skates back to the Canucks bench, Sam Gagner stands up on the Oilers bench, stares at Kassian but says nothing and sits down. David Perron leans over to talk with him, and you can see Gagner say, "Karma."

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#1 A-Mc
January 27 2014, 02:46PM
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GDP: Oilers Lose 2-0.
OGDP: All that the Oilers defense did to excite fans seems to have slipped from their game. Fans are left wondering how the heck a team can play in such a bi-polar fashion.
NSOGDP: Yakupov scores a goal by punching a puck out of the air. It's disallowed but that doesnt stop Yak from celebrating like it was a Stanley Cup winning goal. When interviewed about it afterwards, Yak says "Puck go in Net. I score da goals. Whats problem?"

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#2 Larry
January 27 2014, 11:37PM
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Haha! 2 wins and all you turds wanna shower with the Oilers again!

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#3 meh...
January 27 2014, 09:26PM
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Smyth...2 minutes for holding because time has passed him by and he can't keep up.

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#4 Ed in Edmonton
January 27 2014, 02:31PM
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"Last night while the Oilers were dominating the Predators 5-1..."

Getting outshot 35 to 28 is dominating? The Oil capitalized on their chances and the Preds didn't. I didn't see any sustained domination.

Agree that Bryz hasn't been good enough. The Oil management (and I use the term loosely) need to plan what they want to do with the of goaltenders for the rest of the year. I would think they would need to confirm if either one of the two are worth giving an offer to after this season. I assume the Oil will need to go whale hunting for a real goaltender and these two are auditioning for the backup role. If this is the case then playing them both until they make up their minds makes sense.

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#5 Spydyr
January 27 2014, 06:20PM
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If Smyth is offered another contract "the braintrust" here is even worse then I thought.

I did not think that was possible.

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#6 Rick Stroppel
January 28 2014, 10:08AM
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CaptainLander wrote:

Didn't Jones recently have a baby?

MAN GIVES BIRTH!

Jones had a BABY??!! Wow, that must have been painful! And he didn't even miss a game!

I think you meant to say HIS WIFE had a baby.

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#7 Brian
January 27 2014, 08:11PM
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According to HockeyZonePlus, Smyth has made $ 52.2 million and counting. He needs no more thank you'd than a "Smyth Night ". He does not need a token job on this broken oiler boy bus. Stick technology passed him by . Can't skate anymore . Thanks, Ryan. Move along .

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#8 meh...
January 27 2014, 06:39PM
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Johnnydapunk wrote:

He is 37, this is his last chance I think. I don't say let him dictate his terms but give him some options. I don't know him personally so I can only speculate, but it depends on what he wants. If he has that desire to try to win a Cup, then let him go and try and trade him for a draft pick or future considerations and offer him a contract in the summer. If he feels that the good ship Stanley has passed and he wants to play out as an Oiler, give him another deal, I wouldn't sign him to a 5 year contract, but I would go for a 2 year deal on low-ish money, or one year deals on a rotating basis.

I think he has a few good years left for him as long as his minutes are "monitored" as he hasn't had any major injury concerns so for a 37 year old that gets cross checked in the back, takes pucks off his body and has never scored a goal farther away that a foot from the crease, you have that 3-4 line player who can get the dirty goals in the power play and play the "garbage" minutes.

Bottom line is that he gets the choice, I don't think too many players in the NHL are deserving of that, but he is one of them.

It would be impossible for me to disagree with you more, on ANY of the points you bring up.

Smyth is old. His legs are gone. He was given his current contract (at an over-payment) as a "thank you" for times gone by. The "thank you" has been paid. Thanks a bunch, love ya, good bye.

Most fans are in agreement that culture change and player changes are needed to resurrect this mess from irrelevance. "The Old Boy Club", is detested, and needs to be dissipated and a new start is needed. The "Club" is mocked on this very site on a DAILY basis!

Yet the "Holy Grail " of Ryan Smyth has some people getting all sentimental and wanting to hire him as an assistant coach,or sign him to another contract because he once was a good player for the team.

I ask you, is that not THE EXACT thing that has Oilerland up in arms with frustration???? Do you want to change things or do you want to put up another statue and create another position for another ex-player that used to be good, and continue to live in the past?

Because ya damn sure can't have it both ways...

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#9 Let's Party!!
January 28 2014, 12:47AM
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Following is a list of notable players who have either been suspended or have had an encounter with the NHL's policy in its various forms.

1978 Don Murdoch: New York Rangers winger suspended for the 1978-79 season after his arrest for possession of cocaine. He was reinstated after 40 regular-season games.

1983 Ric Nattress: Montreal Canadiens defenseman suspended for the 1983-84 season for possession of marijuana and hashish. Nattress was reinstated after 40 regular-season games.

Sept. 4, 1986 Borje Salming: Toronto Maple Leafs defenseman suspended for the 1986-87 season for admitting previous use of cocaine in a newspaper article. Salming was reinstated after eight games.

March 4, 1989 Bob Probert: Detroit Red Wings winger suspended for life for smuggling cocaine into the U.S. After serving a 90-day jail sentence, Probert was reinstated on March 9, 1990 and played four games.

Sept. 27, 1990 Grant Fuhr: Edmonton Oilers goaltender suspended for one year for admitting prior substance use. Fuhr was reinstated on Feb. 4, 1991.

Sept. 2, 1994 Bob Probert: Chicago Blackhawks winger suspended indefinitely without pay and immediately ordered into a league-supervised treatment center in California. It is believed to be the first time the league has assisted in a player's rehabilitation. Probert was reinstated in April 28, 1995.

Nov. 1, 1997 Ken Daneyko: New Jersey Devils defenseman became the first player to publicly announce his voluntary participation in the NHL's new substance abuse program, which was adopted in Sept. 1996. After missing 45 games, Daneyko returned to the NHL on Feb. 7, 1998.

1997-98 Brantt Myhres: Phildelphia Flyers winger voluntarily enrolled in NHL's program at the start of the season because of alcohol dependency. Myhres re-entered treatment in Sept. 1998 when he was a member of the San Jose Sharks.

Jan. 23, 2000 Kevin Stevens: New York Rangers winger arrested in a suburban St. Louis motel for felony drug possession of crack cocaine and is admitted to the NHL's treatment program. It is the second time he has been a participant. "I was involved before this happened," Stevens told the Philadelphia Inquirer. "I had been sober for 18 months." Stevens missed the remainder of the season and signed as a free agent with the Philadelphia Flyers on July 7.

March 8, 2000 Ed Belfour: Dallas Stars goaltender arrested for assault and resisting arrest after a fight at a Dallas hotel. He pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of resisting arrest and was enrolled in the NHL's program. After missing the Stars next five games, he returned to the lineup on March 18.

Feb. 28, 2001 Theo Fleury: New York Rangers winger voluntarily enrolled in the NHL program. According to a Sports Illustrated report, Fleury sought help from the same program after the 1999-2000 season.

August 16, 2002 Jere Karalahti: Nashville Predators defenseman suspended six months without pay by the NHL for a third violation. Left the NHL to play in Finland.

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#10 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 28 2014, 12:49AM
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Harry wrote:

Very impressed with the third line. Where did Jones all of a sudden get this mean streak from. Love what im seeing from him Hendricks and Gordon.

Alson liked thr hustle from Yak. He was back when he had to be and didnt ry to do to much when the puck was on his stick.

Negatives for me were Smyths turnovers and I wish Eberle would shoot more.

All in all a great game and a big win for the Oil

Any chance Ryan Jones could/will play like this consistently if we signed him to a one year deal? Or is he just playing unsustainably desperate right now?

Trash this if you think he's just playing for a contract.

Prop this if you think he would play this well/physical on a regular basis if we resigned him.

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#11 Hoozonphirst
January 28 2014, 05:08AM
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Edmonton Oilers - 4 Corey Porter-2 My pick for worst signing ever. I notice the recently fired coaches have saddled the Oil with their AHL buddies that are still here long after their patrons have left town. See Renney, Eakins and Acton as three of the worst offenders IMO.

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#12 SRELIOFAN
January 28 2014, 01:12AM
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2 wins in a row!!! PLAN THE PARADE ROUTE! I'm thinking two laps around the Henday and three times up and down White Ave.

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#14 Johnnydapunk
January 27 2014, 03:14PM
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The situation with Smyth is perhaps a bit difficult, I guess if I was playing "GM" I would ask him if he wants to be traded to a Cup contender just for the chance and sign him next season so he would be a glorified rental, let him finish his career as an Oiler.

He isn't a top 6 anymore for sure, but I think Smyth is good enough for a roster spot and I realise that sentiment is not an ingredient to make a winning club, but he is the type of player that is an Oiler true and true.

I may get trashed for saying this, but I can't think of any other player who represents the Oil and Edmonton like he does, he is a hardworking player who doesn't p*ss about and just gets the job done, he plays for Canada at the drop of a hat, and is refreshingly old school. I have gained a lot of respect for Mullet over the years. It's also a massive bonus in my books that he requested a trade from LA to Edmonton, I mean name a player that has ever requested a trade to Edmonton!

I would let him make the decision on his future, I think he deserves it.

Saying all that and guessing the way 6Rings works, he will be traded for a 4th round pick and not offered a new contract just because...

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#15 outdoorzguy
January 27 2014, 04:46PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

It only makes sense to give the second half of back-to-backs to the No. 2 goalie: he has to play some time and it might as well be when the starter is tired.

Good on Eakins for following the evidence.

Are you kidding me?

Scrivens is 28 years old.

He can't play back to back?

Is he out of shape?

What, he got jet lag on the flight to Vancouver?

Give me a break, everyone looks for excuses to justify stupid coaching decisions. Let this guy play into the #1 role. Stats...what a load of crap!! The only stat that matters is wins and Scrivens gives us the best chance at winning. Ryan Smyth plays back to back and he's twice Scrivens age. The only player who sits out regularly is Yakapov.

No wonder this organization is the toilet of the NHL.

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#16 Gored 1970
January 27 2014, 05:00PM
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I hope Gadzic doesn't fight Kassian because if he looses the Oilers will be the laughing stock of the league and will have nothing for the rest of the year. At least now the Oiler nation can thump their chests and make threats but if Gadzic looses there's nowhere to hide.

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#17 Mason Storm
January 27 2014, 02:19PM
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Bryz has been consistently awful. He's not even worth giving starts anymore unless they are delibarately tanking. It's obvious he has nothing left and needs a stellar d in front of him.

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#18 meh...
January 27 2014, 07:11PM
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Spydyr wrote:

If Smyth is offered another contract "the braintrust" here is even worse then I thought.

I did not think that was possible.

You are correct.He is finished.

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#19 Harry
January 28 2014, 05:27AM
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Let's party!! wrote:

Last night with your mom... Was kinda boring...

Oh yeah, well, at least I'm harry

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#20 Jonathan Willis
January 27 2014, 02:44PM
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It only makes sense to give the second half of back-to-backs to the No. 2 goalie: he has to play some time and it might as well be when the starter is tired.

Good on Eakins for following the evidence.

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#21 sintaxi
January 27 2014, 08:09PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Look at Bryzgalov SV% since leaving Phoenix...

This year... 0.901 in 16 games. Last year... 0.900 in 40 games. 2011/2012... 0.909 in 59 games.

Does it take three years to get his game back?

He isn't going to be the goalie he was in Phoenix again.

I don't see why anyone would be confident with him as the starter heading into next season.

Why is it you see save percentage as a more meaningful statistic than wins/losses? To me this is exactly the attitude that leads us to having goalies like Dubnyk. Someone who doesnt make the save when the game is on the line. I prefer a goalie who competes to win.

Last time I checked wins are the only true meaningful statistic.

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#22 Quinn the Eskimo
January 27 2014, 11:11PM
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Man, I got trashed hard last week after the 'Kill Kass' game for appreciating that Eakins wanting to play hockey, not MMA. I said Oil played well. trashed again. RU watching?

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#23 A-Mc
January 27 2014, 02:50PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

I'd love to see Smyth win a Cup but he should retire an Oiler. Tough call.

Hire him as an offensive coach to teach proper board play and play around the net.

When the Oilers win the stanley cup in 6 years, Smytty will get his name on that cup as an Oiler.

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#24 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 27 2014, 11:09PM
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Just curious.....who would take Sean Monahan over Darnell Nurse if you had a choice right now?

Trash this if you'd take Monahan Prop it if you'd take Nurse.

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#25 Harry
January 28 2014, 02:13AM
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Let's Party!! wrote:

Following is a list of notable players who have either been suspended or have had an encounter with the NHL's policy in its various forms.

1978 Don Murdoch: New York Rangers winger suspended for the 1978-79 season after his arrest for possession of cocaine. He was reinstated after 40 regular-season games.

1983 Ric Nattress: Montreal Canadiens defenseman suspended for the 1983-84 season for possession of marijuana and hashish. Nattress was reinstated after 40 regular-season games.

Sept. 4, 1986 Borje Salming: Toronto Maple Leafs defenseman suspended for the 1986-87 season for admitting previous use of cocaine in a newspaper article. Salming was reinstated after eight games.

March 4, 1989 Bob Probert: Detroit Red Wings winger suspended for life for smuggling cocaine into the U.S. After serving a 90-day jail sentence, Probert was reinstated on March 9, 1990 and played four games.

Sept. 27, 1990 Grant Fuhr: Edmonton Oilers goaltender suspended for one year for admitting prior substance use. Fuhr was reinstated on Feb. 4, 1991.

Sept. 2, 1994 Bob Probert: Chicago Blackhawks winger suspended indefinitely without pay and immediately ordered into a league-supervised treatment center in California. It is believed to be the first time the league has assisted in a player's rehabilitation. Probert was reinstated in April 28, 1995.

Nov. 1, 1997 Ken Daneyko: New Jersey Devils defenseman became the first player to publicly announce his voluntary participation in the NHL's new substance abuse program, which was adopted in Sept. 1996. After missing 45 games, Daneyko returned to the NHL on Feb. 7, 1998.

1997-98 Brantt Myhres: Phildelphia Flyers winger voluntarily enrolled in NHL's program at the start of the season because of alcohol dependency. Myhres re-entered treatment in Sept. 1998 when he was a member of the San Jose Sharks.

Jan. 23, 2000 Kevin Stevens: New York Rangers winger arrested in a suburban St. Louis motel for felony drug possession of crack cocaine and is admitted to the NHL's treatment program. It is the second time he has been a participant. "I was involved before this happened," Stevens told the Philadelphia Inquirer. "I had been sober for 18 months." Stevens missed the remainder of the season and signed as a free agent with the Philadelphia Flyers on July 7.

March 8, 2000 Ed Belfour: Dallas Stars goaltender arrested for assault and resisting arrest after a fight at a Dallas hotel. He pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of resisting arrest and was enrolled in the NHL's program. After missing the Stars next five games, he returned to the lineup on March 18.

Feb. 28, 2001 Theo Fleury: New York Rangers winger voluntarily enrolled in the NHL program. According to a Sports Illustrated report, Fleury sought help from the same program after the 1999-2000 season.

August 16, 2002 Jere Karalahti: Nashville Predators defenseman suspended six months without pay by the NHL for a third violation. Left the NHL to play in Finland.

When was the last time you got laid?

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#26 Let's party!!
January 28 2014, 03:24AM
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Harry wrote:

When was the last time you got laid?

Last night with your mom... Was kinda boring...

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#27 wellsy
January 28 2014, 09:02AM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Any chance Ryan Jones could/will play like this consistently if we signed him to a one year deal? Or is he just playing unsustainably desperate right now?

Trash this if you think he's just playing for a contract.

Prop this if you think he would play this well/physical on a regular basis if we resigned him.

Ryan Jones has finally done the math...4th liner on a 29-30th place team that looks like it has less and less need for him. If a last place team doesn't need him, who does?

He knows that they desperately need grit in the line up, which is what he was brought here for in the first place.He is FINALLY willing to pay the physical price (for now) to try and save his hockey career.

If he doesn't continue to play like this, not only will he be out of the NHL, but likely will be out of hockey in two years.

I love listening to the guy in an interview,he's a decent quote in the paper and says the right things after every loss, but I lost respect for his compete level a long ,long time ago...5 games playing like he should have been playing the whole time doesn't change that.

Excusing his eye-injured time(which is certainly understandable) he hasn't played this way consistently since ,well, ever. Which begs the question....did he not realize the need to play gritty for this team,or did he refuse to play gritty because it hurts physically to play that way?

Nope, Ryan Jones is part of the problem, not part of the solution...give him a new contract and watch him disappear in the line up yet again.

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#28 Woogie63
January 27 2014, 07:46PM
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55 games are gone, what have learnt;

Hall, Eberle, RNH, Perron, Gordon, Petry are solid & can be built around.

Marincin, J. Shultz have improved and continue to show promise

Yakupov had a bad year, but there is promise

Hendrick, Pitlick can maybe be that dritty 3 line player

Gagner, Eakins had bad years there is NO promise here

We need a;

2C - trade for this position 1D ( please make them left shooting) - draft Ekblad (i know he is right handed) 1G - this from free agency

Smyth, Hemsky, Shultz, Bryz are good rental for a team looking for depth for a play-off run

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#29 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 27 2014, 11:53PM
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bazmagoo wrote:

Let me state this correctly, I do not dislike Sam Gagner. In the past I have been a huge proponent of giving Sam time and like what he brings to the table. But, in my mind, the Oilers can be elite with a defensive minded, physical, large, 2nd line centre between those two. Paajarvi for Perron was the end of Gagner in an Oilers jersey, in my opinion. It's just a matter of time. If it's Perron or Gagner, who do you pick?

Easy. Good Bye Sam!

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#30 book¡e
January 27 2014, 01:59PM
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Starting Bryz is the right call mostly because Scrivens is a young goalie you hope to re-sign here. So you want to protect him and give him opportunities to succeed.

Second, given the stats on goalies playing back to back, I would suggest that we will get a similar level of goaltending from Bryz at present as a back to back Scrivens. If the two points were critically important to the team, I would go with Scrivens, but they are not.

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#31 27Ginge
January 27 2014, 02:20PM
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GDP: Oilers win 5-4 in OT. OGDP: Smitty gets two goals, none of which touch his stick. NSOGDP: Perron stirs things up in front of Luongo and Bieksa summons the courage to step outside his weight class and fight Gagner and his busted jaw. TSN and CBC rave about Bieksa's leadership calling this the second gutsiest move of his Hall of Fame career next to grabbing Westgarth and letting him go to fight Smid.

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#32 GK1980
January 27 2014, 02:43PM
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LOL, yeah because it's a back to back they are gonna struggle. That's hilarious! Because that's why they lose tonight........

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#33 Dave
January 27 2014, 03:03PM
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OGDP - the game is over before 9pm MST and I willingly give my wife the remote to watch the Bachelorette. At least there are a few players on that tv show worth watching.

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#35 @Oilanderp
January 27 2014, 08:32PM
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Nice Gagsian pass on the first goal.

I wish WE had a center that could do that.

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#36 Slats
January 27 2014, 10:51PM
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Only an 80 comment night on a hard fought game against the Canucks wtf!

Apathy has a grip on the City of Champs sad . . . But understandable.

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#37 GDP
January 27 2014, 02:37PM
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Super Obvious Game Day Prediction - Kassian takes his extra small balls to the bench every time he sees Gadzic take a shift.

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#38 Tikkanese
January 27 2014, 02:48PM
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I'd love to see Smyth win a Cup but he should retire an Oiler. Tough call.

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#39 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
January 27 2014, 02:54PM
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Interesting segue, JG. I wonder if MacT will be able to sign some FA Eskies in the offseason.

I guess it can't hurt.

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#40 Brock Whitten
January 27 2014, 03:45PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Why do they have to play Bryz?

He isn't the answer as a starter moving forward. Look at his last three seasons, his best days are behind him.

They can play him sometime on the road, and just because you play him doesn't mean he will automatically improve.

Ok, lets take a look at Bryzgalov's record the last few seasons...

(2011-12) 19-17-13 (lockout year) (2011-12) 33-6-7 (2010-11) 36-20-10 (2009-10) 42-20-6

Looks pretty stellar to me. Not saying Bryzgalov is our #1 but it might be worth giving him an opportunity to get his game back if the price is reasonable before counting him out.

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#41 Zarny
January 27 2014, 04:12PM
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I understand the stats but would rather have seen Scrivens. Maybe he's part of solution. Play him till he drops. We know Bryz isn't coming back.

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#43 Serious Gord
January 27 2014, 06:26PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Look at Bryzgalov SV% since leaving Phoenix...

This year... 0.901 in 16 games. Last year... 0.900 in 40 games. 2011/2012... 0.909 in 59 games.

Does it take three years to get his game back?

He isn't going to be the goalie he was in Phoenix again.

I don't see why anyone would be confident with him as the starter heading into next season.

With the Defence he had in PHX it can be argued that Bryz never was that goalie.

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#44 Johnnydapunk
January 27 2014, 08:26PM
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meh... wrote:

You raise some valid points in regards to nobody being in a rush to come to Edmonton, and Smyth surely has experience plus.

What I would contend, is that those minutes he provides are costing somebody else ice time. Smyth is done and if we MUST suck, let's at least suck developing players for the future.

Do any of his goals(7,one of which hit him in the chest, with a minus 15),aside from giving fans a warm fuzzy feeling,help us next year? Wouldn't the Oil be further ahead giving those minutes (for a total point disadvantage of minus 8) developing someone who isn't done? And that doesn't even address the difference in performance between age 37 and say, 38 or 39.

No point in wasting a contract,time,money,and minutes watching Reggie Dunlop playing out the string,bring in a kid to learn.

In the grand scheme of things, the performance of any of the Oil currently is borderline irrelevant, there are a few exceptions of course.

One of the big issues (among many) is that the Oil bring players up too soon, and when they don't perform, they get traded for next to nothing and it isn't until a few seasons later they turn out half decent. I would rather have the Oil's minor league players stay in the AHL or even the ECHL to develop their size and in a dream world a system that is consistent throughout the three teams to make the adjustment easier. But players like Hejda, Cogliano, and Brodziak to name a few came here and they weren't ready. I don't think you could ever spend too much time in the minors developing.

I'm not gonna say sign Smyth right now, but wait and see and I think players know when their time is done, some try to stretch it out, but again without knowing Smyth, maybe he has had enough? Maybe he feels that it's better to leave with the crowd wanting more. I dunno. I think it is a decision to be made in the summer, it's also dependant on if the Oil can get some players they need.

I do get all the points you make though, guess we will see what happens, it's not like it can get much worse, can it? ( I hope it doesn't get any worse)

I did forget to point out that if a player can get 50 goals by bouncing them off his a** then his cup, I have no problems with that as a goal is a goal. And he is still on par with Yakupov in points (think Yak has one more now as of his assist just now) and no one for the Oil has a decent +/- so I wouldn't be too concerned about that stat for any of the Oil.

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#45 Sailge
January 27 2014, 09:15PM
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2-2 game Perron with 2 and Potter with 2.... Into our own net.

Corey Potter, you are unbelievable.

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#46 kale
January 27 2014, 10:07PM
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The only thing that would make this game better was if it was not on sportsnet

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#47 bazmagoo
January 27 2014, 11:46PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Perron made a comment saying that Yak is a great guy to play with "when he's moving his feet". It is so true! When Yak is moving his feet good things happen and it looks like he may be realizing this.

I hope Eakins keeps Perron and Yak together.

Let me state this correctly, I do not dislike Sam Gagner. In the past I have been a huge proponent of giving Sam time and like what he brings to the table. But, in my mind, the Oilers can be elite with a defensive minded, physical, large, 2nd line centre between those two. Paajarvi for Perron was the end of Gagner in an Oilers jersey, in my opinion. It's just a matter of time. If it's Perron or Gagner, who do you pick?

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#48 toprightcorner
January 28 2014, 01:43AM
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sintaxi wrote:

Why is it you see save percentage as a more meaningful statistic than wins/losses? To me this is exactly the attitude that leads us to having goalies like Dubnyk. Someone who doesnt make the save when the game is on the line. I prefer a goalie who competes to win.

Last time I checked wins are the only true meaningful statistic.

Wins are not a very accurate stat to rank the quality of a goalie. How good was Detroit with Osgood in net all those years, he was an above average goalie but not elite. The team that scored the most goals in the game wins, so a team that scores alot of goals, their golie automatically has an advantage over a goalie whose team struggles to score goals. Therefore, the more shots a goalie saves the better becasue he doesn't know how many goals his team is going to score on a given night.

I will let you decide what stat is more important by using last season's stats so there is a full season used. Out of theses 8 goalies who you would say the top 4 are?

Rask Nabokov Lundquist Backstrom Howard Holtby Niemi Emery

Pretty easy to pick the top 4 as Lundquist, Rask, Niemi and Howard

How about we look at wins per games played - winning % listed best to worst of the group. Your idea of wins being most important stat, the goalie with the most wins in the least amount of games is the best goalie

Emery 17/21 - 80.1% Holtby 23/36 - 63.8% Backstrom 24/42 - 57.1% Nabokov 23/41 - 56.1% Lundquist 24/43 - 55.8% Niemi 24/43 - 55.8% Howard 21/42 - 50% Rask 19/36 - 52.7%

Based on wins per start, are the goalies you chose to be the best still the best or are they actually the worst?

So who are you going to take? Nabokov over Howard Holtby over Rask?, Backstrom over Lundqvist?, Emery over Niemi?

Wins is a not a very accurate stat. Nabokov had a lot of wins becasue his team scored a bunch of goals so he doesn't need to save as many, Rangers can't score goals to save their life. So are the wins indicitive of the goalie himself or does the team in front of him play a big part on that?

Teams can score alot of goals, teams can have a tough time scoring. Some teams give up a lot of shots, some hardly give up any.

You can't win if you dont score and typically whoever saves the most shots will win. So whoever saves the highest % of shots has a better likelyhood of winning, even if they are out shot from time to time.

The goalie is in sole contol of how many stops he makes from the shots he sees. The more shots he stops, the better chance the team has to win. The goalie cannot control how many goals his team scores, Edmonton does not score an abundance of goals so it makes sense to get a goalie that can save the highest % of the shots he faces.

Here is the list again rated by save%

Rask .929 Lundquist.926 Niemi .924 Howard .923 Emery .922 Holtby .920 Nabokov .910 Backstrom .909

Think I would rather use save % to pick my goalies than the wins they get.

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#49 Cynic
January 28 2014, 01:46AM
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I just have this mental picture after tonight - two escalators - Oilers on the Up Escalator, and Canucks on the Down Escalator. And tonight, I can just see them starting to cross paths.

There is a lot of truth there.

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#50 Oiler Al
January 28 2014, 09:32AM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

For some reason I really haven't seen Gardiner play much. Is he physical enough to meet the Oilers needs?

Gardiner is pretty much a carbon copy of Justin Schultz. Remember they were linemates in college.

Gardiner might be a tad better defensively but not much.

I know he has his short comings, but I would trade Sam for Kadri, if you are talking Toronto. Better Kadri then some 2 rounder.

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