GDB 55.0: BACK-TO-BACK ON EVEN GROUND

Jason Gregor
January 27 2014 01:54PM

For the second time this season the Oilers will face a team where both of them of are playing on consecutive nights. The Oilers lost 5-4 to the Blackhawks earlier this season. Last night while the Oilers were dominating the Predators 5-1, the Canucks defeated the Coyotes 5-4 in OT, and tonight the Oilers will look to improve their ugly record in back-to-back games.

The Oilers are 1-5-2 in the second game of back-to-backs while the Canucks are 5-4-2. Dallas Eakins will play the odds and give Ben Scrivens the night off, despite a solid performance last night, and start Ilya Bryzgalov. I understand why he is going with Bryzgalov, most goalies Sv% is lower the second night, but I thought he might roll the dice and go with Scrivens.

Scrivens played back-to-back once this year with LA, winning both games and posting a shutout on the second night. Last season Scrivens played consecutive games once, shutting out Florida the first night, but then he allowed 4 goals on 13 shots in 46 minutes vs. Tampa the following night.

Those are the only two times in his career he's started back-to-back, and while the odds say it is better to give your goalie a rest on the 2nd night, I would have went with Scrivens, mainly due to Bryzgalov's brutal play so far in 2014.

In six starts in 2014 he is 1-4-1 and his numbers in those starts aren't very good:

January 03rd vs. Ana... 5-2 L with a .865Sv%
January 05th vs. TB..... 5-3 W with a .889Sv%
January 07th vs STL.... 5-2 L with a .862Sv%
January 14th vs. DALL.5-2 L with a .862Sv%
January 18th vs WGP.. 3-2 L with a .923Sv%
January 24th vs. PHO. 4-3 L with a .862Sv%

He has an ugly .877 Sv% in his last six games, and he needs to find some consistency in his game. I haven't seen anything from Bryzgalov that would suggest the Oilers will be interested in re-signing him, and if he has aspirations of signing with another team in the summer he needs to improve.

He will need to be much better tonight if the Oilers want to win two straight for the first time in a month.

While Eakins is playing the odds, the Canucks will start Roberto Luongo for the second straight game.

Luongo has started both games of a back-to-back twice this season, and he's 1-1 and played great in both. He had a solid .931 SV% in a 2-1 loss to Chicago and a sparkling .951SV% in a 6-2 drubbing of the Bruins. 

It is interesting to note that Luongo and his back up, Eddie Lack, have almost identical number, yet the Canucks will go with the veteran. 

In 37 starts Luongo has a .922Sv% and a 2.23 GAA.
In 20 appearances Lack has a .922Sv% and a 2.18 GAA.

With Chicago coming to town on Wednesday, I wonder if the Canucks feel tonight is a game they must win, thus going with their starter? Prior to this season the last time Luongo started on consecutive nights was November 20th and 21st of 2010. He got pulled the first game vs. Chicago, and then lost the next night vs. Phoenix and both games his sv% was below .890.

Under Tortorella he has played very well in the 2nd game, albeit a very small sample size of two games, so it will be interesting to see which coach looks better after the game. Eakins for playing the odds or the Canucks for going with their starter.

LINEUP...

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Perron-Gagner-Yakupov
Hendricks-Gordon-Jones
Gazdic-Smyth-Joensuu

Marincin-Petry
N.Schultz-J.Schultz
Belov-Potter

Bryzgalov

Smyth's line had a very strong game last night. They were very good on the cycle and gave the Oilers an early boost on the J.Schultz goal. We'll see how often Eakins uses them tonight, but if they get off to a good start he'd be wise to give them 8-10 min of ES time.

Martin Marincin continues to play very well. He is poised, smart and usually he has very good positioning. It was only a few months ago that people were ripping Stu MacGregor for his draft picks outside of the top-ten. I've mentioned it many times, but it is worth repeating, you usually wait five years after a draft class to accurately evaluate picks outside of the first round. If Marincin keeps playing like this, and Pitlick keeps developing, the 2010 class could turn out to be outstanding. We'll see.

QUICK HITS...

  • I asked Smyth his thoughts if MacTavish approached him about a trade. "It is out of my control, because I don't have a no-trade clause, but if he approached me I'd listen. It would be tough, because I love playing in Edmonton, but..," said Smyth.

    In the past few weeks I've exchanged texts with a few GMs and scouts and asked their thoughts on Smyth.  "He could add some depth in your bottom six. He can kill penalties and he is still good in front of the net on the PP. I think he's better when you monitor his icetime," said one scout.
     
  • Smyth should benefit nicely from the Olympic break. He'll have a chance to rest, and I believe a few teams will inquire about him. Last year many scoffed when the Blackhawks picked up Michal Handzus at the deadline, but he ended up playing top-six minutes for them in the playoffs and was a valuable asset during the Cup run.

    I don't see Smyth playing top-six minutes, but teams love experience and guys who know how to compete every night. Smyth does that, and I could see him being moved before the deadline likely for a mid-round pick. 
     
  • A player people need to go watch and potential free agents....Read here.

TONIGHT...

GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Oilers struggles in back-to-back games continue with a 4-2 loss.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Eberle continues his recent hot streak and scores on the PP.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Early in the second period Bieksa fires a shot from the point and it deflects off a stick into Zack Kassian's grill. He is bloodied and as he skates back to the Canucks bench, Sam Gagner stands up on the Oilers bench, stares at Kassian but says nothing and sits down. David Perron leans over to talk with him, and you can see Gagner say, "Karma."

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#51 Marcus
January 28 2014, 09:34AM
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@Ed in Edmonton

Awesome news. Calling Oiler office now for playoff ticket info.

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#52 MessyEH
January 27 2014, 03:10PM
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Spaceman Buzz should rebound tonight.

Gadzic pummels Kassian. Hendricks takes him in the next round.

Gagner is about due for a fight.

Actually I hope Tonight is a chippy one. If you can't beat Em, Beat Em.

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#53 pkam
January 27 2014, 03:21PM
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Johnnydapunk wrote:

The situation with Smyth is perhaps a bit difficult, I guess if I was playing "GM" I would ask him if he wants to be traded to a Cup contender just for the chance and sign him next season so he would be a glorified rental, let him finish his career as an Oiler.

He isn't a top 6 anymore for sure, but I think Smyth is good enough for a roster spot and I realise that sentiment is not an ingredient to make a winning club, but he is the type of player that is an Oiler true and true.

I may get trashed for saying this, but I can't think of any other player who represents the Oil and Edmonton like he does, he is a hardworking player who doesn't p*ss about and just gets the job done, he plays for Canada at the drop of a hat, and is refreshingly old school. I have gained a lot of respect for Mullet over the years. It's also a massive bonus in my books that he requested a trade from LA to Edmonton, I mean name a player that has ever requested a trade to Edmonton!

I would let him make the decision on his future, I think he deserves it.

Saying all that and guessing the way 6Rings works, he will be traded for a 4th round pick and not offered a new contract just because...

Here is the problem. If he didn't win a cup this year, are we going to repeat the same next year, and the year after until he wins a cup or no team is interested in him anymore?

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#54 bazmagoo
January 27 2014, 03:56PM
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If I see Bryz throw up his hands again when a goal goes in after a defensive error, I think I'm going to lose it.

Wonder how he would react if his defensemen threw up their hands when he let in a bad goal? Bad Bryz!

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#55 Oilers G- Nations Poet Laureate
January 27 2014, 04:03PM
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I would LOVE to see

Gadzic Versus Kassian

But Zack is chicken

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#56 pkam
January 27 2014, 04:08PM
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Oilers G- Nations Poet Laureate wrote:

I would LOVE to see

Gadzic Versus Kassian

But Zack is chicken

We can force it by running Luongo. But we have to wait until the next game against them. We will need to keep Luongo healthy for the Olympics.

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#57 Johnnydapunk
January 27 2014, 04:50PM
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pkam wrote:

Here is the problem. If he didn't win a cup this year, are we going to repeat the same next year, and the year after until he wins a cup or no team is interested in him anymore?

He is 37, this is his last chance I think. I don't say let him dictate his terms but give him some options. I don't know him personally so I can only speculate, but it depends on what he wants. If he has that desire to try to win a Cup, then let him go and try and trade him for a draft pick or future considerations and offer him a contract in the summer. If he feels that the good ship Stanley has passed and he wants to play out as an Oiler, give him another deal, I wouldn't sign him to a 5 year contract, but I would go for a 2 year deal on low-ish money, or one year deals on a rotating basis.

I think he has a few good years left for him as long as his minutes are "monitored" as he hasn't had any major injury concerns so for a 37 year old that gets cross checked in the back, takes pucks off his body and has never scored a goal farther away that a foot from the crease, you have that 3-4 line player who can get the dirty goals in the power play and play the "garbage" minutes.

Bottom line is that he gets the choice, I don't think too many players in the NHL are deserving of that, but he is one of them.

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#58 Maggie the Monkey
January 27 2014, 07:20PM
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When I see the letters "B r y z g a l o v" I'm starting to read "Khabibulin".

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#59 Johnnydapunk
January 27 2014, 07:20PM
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meh... wrote:

It would be impossible for me to disagree with you more, on ANY of the points you bring up.

Smyth is old. His legs are gone. He was given his current contract (at an over-payment) as a "thank you" for times gone by. The "thank you" has been paid. Thanks a bunch, love ya, good bye.

Most fans are in agreement that culture change and player changes are needed to resurrect this mess from irrelevance. "The Old Boy Club", is detested, and needs to be dissipated and a new start is needed. The "Club" is mocked on this very site on a DAILY basis!

Yet the "Holy Grail " of Ryan Smyth has some people getting all sentimental and wanting to hire him as an assistant coach,or sign him to another contract because he once was a good player for the team.

I ask you, is that not THE EXACT thing that has Oilerland up in arms with frustration???? Do you want to change things or do you want to put up another statue and create another position for another ex-player that used to be good, and continue to live in the past?

Because ya damn sure can't have it both ways...

Thing is, it's not like players are busting to come to Edmonton, the Oil aren't in a position to be that picky, it's usually a case of a player needing to be overpaid to come here.

Smyth plays a role with the Oil, and if we were to even look at his stats without the " Holy Grail Halo" he has put up the same number of points as Yakupov with close to the same minutes, he has more points than Gordon, and looking around the NHL, he is on par with Eller, Stajan, Berglund and Dupuis. Whilst they aren't exactly Crosby or anything, they are decent enough players and he is making less than they all are with the exception of Eller. He is being relatively productive for the money he makes.

I wouldn't consider myself a fan of the Old Boys club and I'm rarely the sentimental type, but giving him the options and being nice about it can only help in attracting players. If he was to go to another team and it was against his wishes, I'm sure he will talk and it won't be all sunshine for the Oil, if you give him the choice and he wants to be traded, I can imagine him talking about the Oil in a positive light which makes it that much easier to bring players over.

The Oil need all the help they can get and getting rid of him if it was against his wishes just for the sake of eliminating the Old Boys club is a bit pointless. His stats still show he has something to offer and as long as it's not a stupid long overpriced deal, I don't think there is any issue.

Who knows, maybe he wants to retire.

Btw fair play in being polite in disagreeing, sometimes I find that people here can at times be a bit impolite and resort to name calling and bitter crap, and your points were nicely put out, even if I disagree.

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#60 meh...
January 27 2014, 07:51PM
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Johnnydapunk wrote:

Thing is, it's not like players are busting to come to Edmonton, the Oil aren't in a position to be that picky, it's usually a case of a player needing to be overpaid to come here.

Smyth plays a role with the Oil, and if we were to even look at his stats without the " Holy Grail Halo" he has put up the same number of points as Yakupov with close to the same minutes, he has more points than Gordon, and looking around the NHL, he is on par with Eller, Stajan, Berglund and Dupuis. Whilst they aren't exactly Crosby or anything, they are decent enough players and he is making less than they all are with the exception of Eller. He is being relatively productive for the money he makes.

I wouldn't consider myself a fan of the Old Boys club and I'm rarely the sentimental type, but giving him the options and being nice about it can only help in attracting players. If he was to go to another team and it was against his wishes, I'm sure he will talk and it won't be all sunshine for the Oil, if you give him the choice and he wants to be traded, I can imagine him talking about the Oil in a positive light which makes it that much easier to bring players over.

The Oil need all the help they can get and getting rid of him if it was against his wishes just for the sake of eliminating the Old Boys club is a bit pointless. His stats still show he has something to offer and as long as it's not a stupid long overpriced deal, I don't think there is any issue.

Who knows, maybe he wants to retire.

Btw fair play in being polite in disagreeing, sometimes I find that people here can at times be a bit impolite and resort to name calling and bitter crap, and your points were nicely put out, even if I disagree.

You raise some valid points in regards to nobody being in a rush to come to Edmonton, and Smyth surely has experience plus.

What I would contend, is that those minutes he provides are costing somebody else ice time. Smyth is done and if we MUST suck, let's at least suck developing players for the future.

Do any of his goals(7,one of which hit him in the chest, with a minus 15),aside from giving fans a warm fuzzy feeling,help us next year? Wouldn't the Oil be further ahead giving those minutes (for a total point disadvantage of minus 8) developing someone who isn't done? And that doesn't even address the difference in performance between age 37 and say, 38 or 39.

No point in wasting a contract,time,money,and minutes watching Reggie Dunlop playing out the string,bring in a kid to learn.

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#61 @Oilanderp
January 27 2014, 09:15PM
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Man, Taylor Hall is fast.

Potter is unlucky tonight.

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#62 Reg Dunlop
January 27 2014, 10:00PM
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Marincin as a beanpole rookie is not looking overwhelmed. We are looking at the first real home grown piece of the future, proof that OKC is doing it right. For the first time this year I am optimistic. Go oil.

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#63 hankthetank
January 27 2014, 10:44PM
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I can has win?

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#64 Louie DeBrusk
January 27 2014, 10:58PM
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Blue Paint. Blue Paint. Blue Paint. Isn't neat how I say Blue Paint. Now call me a cab. Oh yeah, I have to bus in Vancouver for a while.

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#65 Quinn the Eskimo
January 27 2014, 11:14PM
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Oh, and screw you, Zack Assian. How does Perron's a$$ smell?

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#66 A-Mc
January 27 2014, 11:36PM
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@dougtheslug

"Cause we got.. hope on our side. And hope can never die! Spell it: Hall Omark Paajarvi Eberle.."

Great song

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#67 Rick Stroppel
January 27 2014, 11:38PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Just curious.....who would take Sean Monahan over Darnell Nurse if you had a choice right now?

Trash this if you'd take Monahan Prop it if you'd take Nurse.

HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY ANSWER THIS QUESTION NOW?

In 1980, Edmonton drafted Paul Coffey 6th overall and Vancouver drafted Rick Lanz (who?) seventh, another defenseman. The plan was to send Coffey back to junior after eight games. Coach Bryan "Bugsy" Watson allegedly lost track of the number of games played, resulting in Coffey having to spend the entire year in the NHL. By Christmas, Lanz was totally outplaying Coffey, who looked awful. I DISTINCTLY remember people phoning the phone in shows and lambasting the Oilers for taking Coffey when could have taken Lanz. At the end do their rookie years, Coffey had 32 points and Lanz had 29.

PS: Strange how few people are posting tonight. It is as if those of us who are totally down on the team (myself included) do not know what to say when the team wins. BIG PROPS to the Oilers for two solid games in a row!

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#68 bazmagoo
January 28 2014, 12:37AM
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@Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

I completely agree with you, as I've stated many times before. Sam is a legit NHL player, he just doesn't fit with the Oilers. Put Sam with two big, defensively sound wingers with the ability to score and Sam is a helluva 2nd line centre and the best player on the line. But personally I think the Oilers should flip Sam to Toronto for Gardiner, plus or minus a player or draft pick or two on either side.

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#69 Harry
January 28 2014, 12:41AM
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Very impressed with the third line. Where did Jones all of a sudden get this mean streak from. Love what im seeing from him Hendricks and Gordon.

Alson liked thr hustle from Yak. He was back when he had to be and didnt ry to do to much when the puck was on his stick.

Negatives for me were Smyths turnovers and I wish Eberle would shoot more.

All in all a great game and a big win for the Oil

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#70 Let's Party!!
January 28 2014, 01:03AM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Strangely enough, if you had all of these players you'd have the makings of one hell of a team!

Those cats prolly slayed a lot of mitt too, hey?

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#71 D-Unit
January 28 2014, 07:20AM
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Another win to credit the coach with.

Plus, I believe it is a real win, as the Canucks are a Playoff team. So many comments after the Predators game, that it isn't really anything important, as only wins against playoff teams count, or some sort of logic like that.

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#72 They're $hittie
January 27 2014, 02:23PM
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The top two lines always stink on a back to back when they play well. I wish he would shake things up for these games instead of splitting them up when in a slump.

Still waiting for the day when I see the 3 first overalls play on a line.

Have you ever seen a line drafted so low. 1-1-1

Heatley Thornton Marleau 1-2-2

Oilers could actually soon have 1-1-1 7-1 (2)

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#73 Dog Train
January 27 2014, 02:34PM
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The back-to-back is not an excuse tonight because the 'Nucks also played last night. We were ran out of the building both times that we played in Vancouver this season so let's change that tonight. The Canucks are very beatable but we haven't matched up well with them so far this season.

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#74 Tikkanese
January 27 2014, 03:04PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

If you go by the stats that a goalie drops .20 on the 2nd night, then Scrivens goes from .930 to .910, which is still much better than Bryz who is .901.

I see the logic why you do it, but when the back up is playing as bad as Bryz I could see why a coach would go against the stats.

We also need to find out if Scrivens can be a #1 or not. We already know he can give you a good game, we knew that before the trade. Now we need to know if he can handle the workload.

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#75 Johnnydapunk
January 27 2014, 03:21PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

We also need to find out if Scrivens can be a #1 or not. We already know he can give you a good game, we knew that before the trade. Now we need to know if he can handle the workload.

I don't know how much we will learn about Scrivens over the next 30 games, I can't believe that I am agreeing on "You know nothing, you have never played in the NHL" Kypreos, but he suggested that playing 30 pressure free games doesn't really say much as to if he is the guy who can handle a 50 game workload with playoff making pressure. Even if he does play like a god, who knows if he will even sign here, though I don't think he is good enough to be that picky if he is looking for a Number One job. I think he is suited to a 1A role at best, but we will see.

Looking at Capgeek, it's a buyers market for Goalies this summer, so hopefully the Oil can find a decent 1-2 punch.

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#76 pkam
January 27 2014, 03:37PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Why do they have to play Bryz?

He isn't the answer as a starter moving forward. Look at his last three seasons, his best days are behind him.

They can play him sometime on the road, and just because you play him doesn't mean he will automatically improve.

I didn't say he will improve because we play him. I just say his number will not change if we didn't play him. It may get better, or it may get worse.

But if you think we have to play him sometime on the road, then why not tonight? It is a road game tonight, isn't it?

If we don't play Bryz on a back to back when Scrivens number is likely to drop to 910, why do we want to start him when Scrivens number is much better than 910?

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#77 bazmagoo
January 27 2014, 03:55PM
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@Tikkanese

Don't think there is anything stopping Smyth from resigning here in the summer if he's shipped at the deadline. If he wants the chance to win a cup and that chance is facilitated to him at the deadline, why would he hold a grudge against the Oilers? If he doesn't want that shot, then the Oilers shouldn't trade him.

Signing Smyth should be a pretty low priority though in my opinion, he's never been great defensively 5 on 5 and he just doesn't have the wheels anymore. It's weird that he does well on the PK but he still doesn't back check with any real urgency, ever. If he's resigned it should be as a 4th liner or 13-14th forward.

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#78 Johnnydapunk
January 27 2014, 05:04PM
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Randaman wrote:

Unfortunately the buyers market is for everywhere else but Edmonton. There will have to be major overpayment for us to get a true #1 Goaltender or a #1 defenceman for that matter. Trades or grow your own are the only options available to us, especially with 6 Rings at the helm. Sad but True!

It's gonna bed easier to get a Number 1 Goalie here than an #1 Defence-man. If you look at how many goalies exceeded expectations due to injuries, there are more decent goalies with contracts expiring then there are places for them. Goalies like Scrivens were available because of the play of Jones in LA, Mazanec isn't half bad either and there will be a bit of an issue come summer for Nashville, not including Dubnyk. Anaheim is also gonna be offloading a goalie in the summer as well. Capgeek is a great source to see who is available.

The Oil are gonna have to overpay no matter what, but they have a better chance to get a decent Goalie just because no matter how bad it seems, the Oil are still an NHL team and a goalie would rather be overpaid here than have to go play in Europe or Russia.

Depending on the RFA specific rules, the Oil could go after a goalie in that market, but I would think they would rather save the picks that it would cost them for trying to find an RFA defenceman where they may have to go as the UFA market for Dmen is pretty dire.

The Oilers priority should be proper Defencemen as that will also make a difference in attracting a decent, albeit overpaid goalie.

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#79 wellsy
January 27 2014, 08:36PM
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outworked, goal#1...

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#80 @Oilanderp
January 27 2014, 08:40PM
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Baaaaad bounce..skate...stick...net.

Shrug it off!

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#81 Brian
January 27 2014, 08:47PM
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Maggie the Monkey wrote:

When I see the letters "B r y z g a l o v" I'm starting to read "Khabibulin".

Reminds me of the Czech hockey player taking an eye exam reading one of those wall charts from 15 feet away or so. Doctor asks him, "Can you read the bottom line?" Czech player says, "Read it? I know him."

Sorry.

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#82 Oilerz4life
January 27 2014, 09:18PM
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Good call on starting Bryz tonight, he's been sharp.

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#83 Romanus
January 27 2014, 10:27PM
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meh... wrote:

Smyth...2 minutes for holding because time has passed him by and he can't keep up.

BS. He was try to squeeze by a guy. Refs got that one wrong.

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#84 gongshow
January 27 2014, 10:50PM
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Is this a 'Ride The Whip' moment?

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#85 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 27 2014, 11:54PM
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bazmagoo wrote:

Let me state this correctly, I do not dislike Sam Gagner. In the past I have been a huge proponent of giving Sam time and like what he brings to the table. But, in my mind, the Oilers can be elite with a defensive minded, physical, large, 2nd line centre between those two. Paajarvi for Perron was the end of Gagner in an Oilers jersey, in my opinion. It's just a matter of time. If it's Perron or Gagner, who do you pick?

Sam Gagner is a good hockey player. He is just not a part of the winning equation in Edmonton. I hope he gets back to the level he was at before the injury....he would be a valuable part of a trade package that could bring us one of the eight pieces we still need.

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#86 oilersd
January 28 2014, 12:16AM
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Quinn the Eskimo wrote:

Yeah, well, perhaps we freakin genius fans may not know everything. Let's have some patience and maybe MacT slowly turns this barge around for ol' 6-Rings. For sure the kids are getting harder to beat, and as an Oiler fan marooned in Van, tomorrow is gonna be a fun day at work..

In order to be successful you must consistently have good habits. Developing good habits is done one good choice at a time. Day by day (dare I say shift by shift) you transform yourself and after a time you are the individual you want to be. To me this is one of the great parallels between hockey and life. Hopefully these little tastes of success encourage these kids to stay the course because if they really can turn the corner the sky is the limit. Time will tell I suppose.

Quinn have a really satisfying trash talking day at work tomorrow. .

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#87 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 28 2014, 12:38AM
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Yes. But it wasn't an option. Calgary chose before us.

Obviously, it wasn't an option.......but don't you find it interesting that those who responded chose Nurse over Monahan by a margin of 6 to 1?

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#88 bazmagoo
January 28 2014, 01:16AM
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@Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

Not physical at all really unfortunately, but skilled with tons of room for improvement. Was Justin Schultz's college defensive partner at Wisconsin. Not the answer in any, way, shape or form. But an upgrade now, with the potential to be a substantial upgrade in the future.

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#89 bazmagoo
January 28 2014, 01:19AM
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@Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

Trashed your comment because I think Jones is playing harder for a contract. Liked your comment because I think Hendricks could be the guy to remind Jones of what he is, day in and day out. If someone can get Jones to play solid defensively and physically the guy will have a long career in the NHL.

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#90 Oilerz4life
January 28 2014, 03:38AM
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Post game media, Tom Gazzola asked Joensuu if it was nice to see David Perron score a hat-trick tonight. His response:

"Ya, well, when David is going to be a big name after he retires, somebody is going to ask him who scored that game winning goal in your hat-trick against Vancouver and that's gonna be me."

lol

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#91 Doctor Smashy
January 28 2014, 09:32AM
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Notes from last night:

1. I love that Nuge is getting angry and mixing it up more.

2. Eberle takes too long to shoot (often no shot).

3. Hall shoots too fast (the puck often winds up in the shin pads or in the netting).

4. When Joensuu has the puck he looks like he is trying to stickhandle a pigeon.

Overall a very good game. Everyone tried hard and it was obvious again that we have some very good players on our team. I also liked that Eakins appeared to speak to both the players and the ref.

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#92 Ales Hallsky
January 27 2014, 01:57PM
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Yay...pffftt

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#93 mayorblaine
January 27 2014, 02:54PM
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the break will be a critical juncture for MacT. for some players their value will not be higher than it is at trade deadline. teams may pay some more for a chance.

although not the be all end all, this is important test for MacT to begin to define the team he says he wants.

i would've started Scrivens. he's the only you may re-sign. so why not see. what's to lose?

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#94 pkam
January 27 2014, 03:16PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

If you go by the stats that a goalie drops .20 on the 2nd night, then Scrivens goes from .930 to .910, which is still much better than Bryz who is .901.

I see the logic why you do it, but when the back up is playing as bad as Bryz I could see why a coach would go against the stats.

Bryz's number will not change unless we play him.

Are we going to play Scrivens until his number drop below 920 and only on a back to back game will we start Bryz? Or we are going to shut down Bryz for the rest of the season?

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#95 billythebullet
January 27 2014, 03:37PM
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Looking at our starting linups, is it just me or does our third line look like a really good 4th line? Anyways, it would be nice to beat the 'nucks tonight. Go oilers!

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#96 Randaman
January 27 2014, 03:47PM
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Johnnydapunk wrote:

I don't know how much we will learn about Scrivens over the next 30 games, I can't believe that I am agreeing on "You know nothing, you have never played in the NHL" Kypreos, but he suggested that playing 30 pressure free games doesn't really say much as to if he is the guy who can handle a 50 game workload with playoff making pressure. Even if he does play like a god, who knows if he will even sign here, though I don't think he is good enough to be that picky if he is looking for a Number One job. I think he is suited to a 1A role at best, but we will see.

Looking at Capgeek, it's a buyers market for Goalies this summer, so hopefully the Oil can find a decent 1-2 punch.

Unfortunately the buyers market is for everywhere else but Edmonton. There will have to be major overpayment for us to get a true #1 Goaltender or a #1 defenceman for that matter. Trades or grow your own are the only options available to us, especially with 6 Rings at the helm. Sad but True!

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#97 Tikkanese
January 27 2014, 03:59PM
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bazmagoo wrote:

Don't think there is anything stopping Smyth from resigning here in the summer if he's shipped at the deadline. If he wants the chance to win a cup and that chance is facilitated to him at the deadline, why would he hold a grudge against the Oilers? If he doesn't want that shot, then the Oilers shouldn't trade him.

Signing Smyth should be a pretty low priority though in my opinion, he's never been great defensively 5 on 5 and he just doesn't have the wheels anymore. It's weird that he does well on the PK but he still doesn't back check with any real urgency, ever. If he's resigned it should be as a 4th liner or 13-14th forward.

He's still good at the PK because he's been doing it forever. PK is more about positioning and willingness to pay a price than it is about speed. You only need to show speed on the PK if you are out of position, or getting a very rare breakaway.

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#98 bazmagoo
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@Tikkanese

Definitely don't disagree he's a valuable player on the PK, but he's not sound defensively 5 on 5 and likely never will be. There is many an occasion where he loses his man 5 on 5 and it results in a scoring chance.

I edited my previous post to say I would like to see him resign with Edmonton, but for 4th line money. He's not worth more than that even though I love the guy. Cold hard truth, but hockey is a cold game sometimes.

*edit* Misread your post, I see now you were agreeing with me, haha.

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#99 Tikkanese
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I'd love to see Smyth win a Cup but he should retire an Oiler. Tough call.

If they do trade him, I hope it is to a top contender like the Ducks or Bruins and not to someone trying to squeek into the playoffs.

How cool would it be to see Smytty passing the Cup to Iginla? I've always hated the Flames but that would be pretty cool to see.

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#100 Randaman
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Johnnydapunk wrote:

He is 37, this is his last chance I think. I don't say let him dictate his terms but give him some options. I don't know him personally so I can only speculate, but it depends on what he wants. If he has that desire to try to win a Cup, then let him go and try and trade him for a draft pick or future considerations and offer him a contract in the summer. If he feels that the good ship Stanley has passed and he wants to play out as an Oiler, give him another deal, I wouldn't sign him to a 5 year contract, but I would go for a 2 year deal on low-ish money, or one year deals on a rotating basis.

I think he has a few good years left for him as long as his minutes are "monitored" as he hasn't had any major injury concerns so for a 37 year old that gets cross checked in the back, takes pucks off his body and has never scored a goal farther away that a foot from the crease, you have that 3-4 line player who can get the dirty goals in the power play and play the "garbage" minutes.

Bottom line is that he gets the choice, I don't think too many players in the NHL are deserving of that, but he is one of them.

I agree with everything but resigning him. I love his drive and intangibles and have much respect for Smytty but I think the time has come. Just my thoughts. I think the money could be better spent eleswhere unless he will take 1m tops

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