HARD TARGET SEARCH: MARK GIORDANO

Lowetide
January 31 2014 07:23AM

 

In their search for legit help on the blueline, Edmonton must look everywhere and that includes the team down the QE2. The Calgary Flames are in a different part of their rebuild, and although the price would be high, Mark Giordano could be a perfect fit for the Oil.   

Giordano is in a really productive part of his career. At 30, he's played over 300 games and displays a wide range of skills and a great deal of leadership. He should be able to play deep into his 30's and can supply any NHL team with a steady reliable player in all situations.

THE VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAMMER

Here's this year's sledgehammer, Giordano is such a nice player. Toughest opposition and some unattractive zone starts (Brodie too) and even with that he's pretty close to even at Corsi. There's all kinds of positives—25 minutes a night, six goals on the power play—and he's a solid defender. The only negative you can find is his size (6.0, 200), but he's strong enough to win battles.

This is an unusual graph, there's no one in the "two-way" upper right quadrant and just two in the "shutdown" group. Only Giordano is playing the toughs, which suggests to me the Flames tried a few partners and then moved on. Calgary's defense isn't very good here, basically Giordano, Wideman and Brodie, little wonder they've added pieces.

Bouwmeester and Butler were the shutdown defenders in 11-12, neither doing a terribly good job. Giordano got the zone start push but still played the toughs—this season really differs only in zone starts—and when they dealt Bouwmeester they moved Giordano into the more difficult role. Considering the quality of the team, and the quality of competition he's facing, Giordano looks like a pretty solid option. Consistent, with some offensive ability, and he's a lefthander who could probably work with both Petry and Justin Schultz. He did miss 18 games earlier this season due to injury, but that's an occupational hazard. 

Note: The Sledgehammer graphs above are here, and thanks to Extra Skater for the playing card.

NO DAMN WAY CALGARY TRADES HIM TO EDMONTON

Yeah.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

 

The Oilers have a high draft pick, and the Flames are rebuilding. I'm not going to get into the value of a top 5 pick and Giordano's worth compared to Michael Dal Colle or Leon Draisaitl, but there should be a deal in there somewhere with additional talent involved to make things equal. 

Mark Giordano closely resembles exactly what the Oilers are looking for this offseason.

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#51 Zarny
January 31 2014, 02:30PM
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suba steve wrote:

I am a FlamesNation visitor to your site.

We have some on FN offering the idea of Gio for Eberle + Oil 2014 first (and some are throwing in the 2015 first as well).

I say they are bats..t crazy. What say you OilerNation?

Yep...they're batsh*t crazy.

There wouldn't be a single 1st round pick included with Eberle for Gio.

In fact it would likely be the Flames kicking in the draft pick.

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#52 Tikkanese
January 31 2014, 02:48PM
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The Flames should be trading Gio sooner rather than later while he still has good value. By the time the Flames are any good, he will be too old and will have lost most of his value.

Why not get a great piece, or pieces now instead of a 2nd rounder or worse later?

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#53 albertabeef
January 31 2014, 02:50PM
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Chambers wrote:

@ Albertabeef...do thee numbers look familiar to you....30, 30, 29, ...those are the Oiler recent finishes in the standings or draft positioning..whatever makes you feel better. Oh by the way there is another 29 in your near future.

Ok - I'll try this a little slower for you. Edmonton is BELOW Calgary - that's why they are looking UP to them. I was saying something NICE about your team. I'm an Oiler fan, but I can see simple comments are still beyond you Flames fools.

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#54 TDM
January 31 2014, 03:05PM
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nunyour wrote:

If your going to suck you may as well be the best at it,get some high picks this year and next year.I hope you get to pick 1st in 2015,and we get to watch a real battle of Alberta again.

No offence, and I appreciate you wanting us to get mcdavid in 2015, but how's that strategy of sucking hard to accumulate picks working out for you guys? I know I'll get thumped on the trashes for this, given that it's ON, but I think you guys have been conditioned to overvalue the influx of top flight picks over how you develop them. I'm not opposed to getting high picks, but trading a guy like Gio who is going to be a significant developmental role model in our transitional period doesn't interest me. I think, perhaps incorrectly, that you guys have had to resort to prospect porn because things are so bleak up there. I just don't want to overvalue picks that are unproven at best as part of our rebuild model in calgary.

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#55 #ThereGoesTheOilers
January 31 2014, 03:05PM
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Wow, this conversation went downhill fast.

For the FLAMES FANS who are clogging up the comments section, two points were made in this article:

1> Is Giordano the type of defenseman Edmonton needs? YES.

2> Could he possibly be traded away? YES.

These facts have nothing to do with the not-so-intelligent conversation underway about division standings and sentimenal attachment to a player. Try and stay on topic.

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#56 #11flamesfan
January 31 2014, 03:12PM
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China town man wrote:

Low tide suggesting making trades with the team down south is not a good ideal. First of we should never metion the flames with out being passed off secondly I do not want anything that has worn the burning C. To be waring our oilers logo.

We don't need mad flame disease in oil country

Haha... I'm not sure if you remember but your captain Andrew Ferrence use to ply his trade for the flames... I'm pretty sure he's helping the Oilers a lot more than the vets you had before.

But as for Gio going to the Oilers, never going to happen.

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#57 #ThereGoesTheOilers
January 31 2014, 03:14PM
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Besides, we all know Gio wouldn't end up in Edmonton. He'd wind up somewhere like Dallas or Detroit, or some other team that wins too much in Alberta (much to the ire of us all).

It's Karma for all that winning we had 30 years ago.

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#58 beloch
January 31 2014, 03:32PM
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Flames fan (and semi-oiler fan) here. I was initially intrigued by the notion of trading Giordano for Eberle and a 1st rounder. Edmonton's first rounder will likely bring back a quality player, but Eberle... I'm a bit surprised, but he actually has more offensive zone starts and faces easier competition than most Oiler forwards and his possession stats are still pretty weak. Us Flames fans are also all too familiar with what happens when you bring a high-scoring forward from a team with no defensive structure (SWARM!!!) and expect him to play responsibly. His offensive production dries up. It's happened to the Flames many times before, and Eberle looks like one more case of it.

Now look at what Giordano does for the Flames or could do for the Oilers. Lowetide covered the stats well enough. Gio is a good defender, no doubt. I'd like to add that he plays much bigger than his height and weight indicate. I actually did a spit-take when I saw his weight, because he throws other players around better than Smid. I suppose a big part of being able to rag-doll an opponent is actually being able to catch up with him! However, the big thing about Giordano is his leadership. Nothing was given to him easily. He clawed his way into the NHL by will alone. The Flames, despite having nowhere near the talent the Oilers do and spending $11M less on salary, are ahead in the standings because the team plays their hearts out every night. Some of that is coaching, but Giordano also plays a huge part. If Edmonton acquired him, Giordano would elevate the entire club's play. If the Flames lost him, the team would play with far less heart.

Yes, Giordano is likely going to be too old by the time the Flames are a contender. Yes, smart asset management says trade him now. However, the Oilers have amply proven that kids being paid millions to play a game won't magically develop a work ethic on their own. They need mentors. Giordano is mentoring the next generation of stars for the Flames. That's worth something, quite probably a lot.

Giordano for Eberle and a 1st round pick? Nope.

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#59 Quintana
January 31 2014, 04:11PM
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Flames fan (and semi-oiler fan) here. I was initially intrigued by the notion of trading Giordano for Eberle and a 1st rounder. Edmonton's first rounder will likely bring back a quality player, but Eberle... I'm a bit surprised, but he actually has more offensive zone starts and faces easier competition than most Oiler forwards and his possession stats are still pretty weak. Us Flames fans are also all too familiar with what happens when you bring a high-scoring forward from a team with no defensive structure (SWARM!!!) and expect him to play responsibly. His offensive production dries up. It's happened to the Flames many times before, and Eberle looks like one more case of it.

Now look at what Giordano does for the Flames or could do for the Oilers. Lowetide covered the stats well enough. Gio is a good defender, no doubt. I'd like to add that he plays much bigger than his height and weight indicate. I actually did a spit-take when I saw his weight, because he throws other players around better than Smid. I suppose a big part of being able to rag-doll an opponent is actually being able to catch up with him! However, the big thing about Giordano is his leadership. Nothing was given to him easily. He clawed his way into the NHL by will alone. The Flames, despite having nowhere near the talent the Oilers do and spending $11M less on salary, are ahead in the standings because the team plays their hearts out every night. Some of that is coaching, but Giordano also plays a huge part. If Edmonton acquired him, Giordano would elevate the entire club's play. If the Flames lost him, the team would play with far less heart.

Yes, Giordano is likely going to be too old by the time the Flames are a contender. Yes, smart asset management says trade him now. However, the Oilers have amply proven that kids being paid millions to play a game won't magically develop a work ethic on their own. They need mentors. Giordano is mentoring the next generation of stars for the Flames. That's worth something, quite probably a lot.

Giordano for Eberle and a 1st round pick? Nope.

Can I have that stuff that you are smoking? must be really strong.........

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#60 China town man
January 31 2014, 04:12PM
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@#11flamesfan

I have no issues with ex flames dawning our oilers creast as long as they come from other organizations other than our rival down south, I prefer to have flames and oilers battle it out on the ice and grab a beer after the oilers win.what I don't want to see is two organizations holding hands on and off the ice and play patty cake with each other.

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#61 Oiler Al
January 31 2014, 05:41PM
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suba steve wrote:

I am a FlamesNation visitor to your site.

We have some on FN offering the idea of Gio for Eberle + Oil 2014 first (and some are throwing in the 2015 first as well).

I say they are bats..t crazy. What say you OilerNation?

In my books 24 to 30 is the basement, Once your in , there is not much to choose between the 24 or 30 basement postion. At least 29 gets a better chance at a draft pick.

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#62 misfit
January 31 2014, 11:28PM
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Sure the Oilers and Flames could make a trade. Afterall, they've done it in the past, right?

Of course, both times it was the Oilers trading away the established NHL roster player and receiving nothing but "maybe someday this could be something if you're lucky" assets in return. I just don't see it ever happening in reverse. The QE2 appears to be a one-way street from where I'm sitting.

But yes, Giordano is an excellent player and would be a great addition to this team. So would Alex Edler (who's actually apparently available according to the talking heads on TSN), but I wouldn't hold my breath on him being traded within the division either.

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#63 joe
February 01 2014, 12:20AM
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Pry him from my cold dead hands.

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#64 @Oilanderp
February 01 2014, 12:21AM
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@beloch

Know how I know you are not even a real person?

Flames fan (and semi-oiler fan) here.

Yeah. I didn't make it any further in your post.

I hope you get what you deserve.

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#65 brackenbury
February 01 2014, 01:33AM
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beloch wrote:

Flames fan (and semi-oiler fan) here. I was initially intrigued by the notion of trading Giordano for Eberle and a 1st rounder. Edmonton's first rounder will likely bring back a quality player, but Eberle... I'm a bit surprised, but he actually has more offensive zone starts and faces easier competition than most Oiler forwards and his possession stats are still pretty weak. Us Flames fans are also all too familiar with what happens when you bring a high-scoring forward from a team with no defensive structure (SWARM!!!) and expect him to play responsibly. His offensive production dries up. It's happened to the Flames many times before, and Eberle looks like one more case of it.

Now look at what Giordano does for the Flames or could do for the Oilers. Lowetide covered the stats well enough. Gio is a good defender, no doubt. I'd like to add that he plays much bigger than his height and weight indicate. I actually did a spit-take when I saw his weight, because he throws other players around better than Smid. I suppose a big part of being able to rag-doll an opponent is actually being able to catch up with him! However, the big thing about Giordano is his leadership. Nothing was given to him easily. He clawed his way into the NHL by will alone. The Flames, despite having nowhere near the talent the Oilers do and spending $11M less on salary, are ahead in the standings because the team plays their hearts out every night. Some of that is coaching, but Giordano also plays a huge part. If Edmonton acquired him, Giordano would elevate the entire club's play. If the Flames lost him, the team would play with far less heart.

Yes, Giordano is likely going to be too old by the time the Flames are a contender. Yes, smart asset management says trade him now. However, the Oilers have amply proven that kids being paid millions to play a game won't magically develop a work ethic on their own. They need mentors. Giordano is mentoring the next generation of stars for the Flames. That's worth something, quite probably a lot.

Giordano for Eberle and a 1st round pick? Nope.

How's that now? Flames fan and semi-oiler fan? Do u live In Alberta? This has got to b some clear violation of A strict law written .... idk in Red Deer many years ago When Edmonton had the oilers and Calgary had the cowboys. I'm not sure what the punishment of said law is, in edm its Likely being locked in a room and forced to watch a 24hr Loop of Fleury's ot winner that set him off on a goal line to center ice slide celly. In calgary its being forced to watch A 24hr loop of #99's right guard shot to beat Vernon in Ot to seal a game 2 winner in CALGARY to put the oilers Up 2-0 and heading back to Edm. For game 3. And of course Slats one finger salute to the fans in the seats. Good times. Either way I guess your good.

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#66 beloch
February 01 2014, 04:54AM
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@brackenbury

Born in Edmonton. Raised in Calgary. I was the kid whose parents dressed him in an Oilers sweater for hockey practices in Calgary. The Flames are my most beloved team, but I long for the days when Alberta was "Death Valley" to the rest of the league. You may think that I overvalue Giordano, but I merely reflect the love that Calgary has for this player. In all honesty, he's worth less to the Oilers than the Flames would ever accept in trade and he's worth more to the Flames than the Oilers would ever offer. Lowetide is just trolling us all!

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#67 Serious Gord
February 01 2014, 07:37AM
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beloch wrote:

Flames fan (and semi-oiler fan) here. I was initially intrigued by the notion of trading Giordano for Eberle and a 1st rounder. Edmonton's first rounder will likely bring back a quality player, but Eberle... I'm a bit surprised, but he actually has more offensive zone starts and faces easier competition than most Oiler forwards and his possession stats are still pretty weak. Us Flames fans are also all too familiar with what happens when you bring a high-scoring forward from a team with no defensive structure (SWARM!!!) and expect him to play responsibly. His offensive production dries up. It's happened to the Flames many times before, and Eberle looks like one more case of it.

Now look at what Giordano does for the Flames or could do for the Oilers. Lowetide covered the stats well enough. Gio is a good defender, no doubt. I'd like to add that he plays much bigger than his height and weight indicate. I actually did a spit-take when I saw his weight, because he throws other players around better than Smid. I suppose a big part of being able to rag-doll an opponent is actually being able to catch up with him! However, the big thing about Giordano is his leadership. Nothing was given to him easily. He clawed his way into the NHL by will alone. The Flames, despite having nowhere near the talent the Oilers do and spending $11M less on salary, are ahead in the standings because the team plays their hearts out every night. Some of that is coaching, but Giordano also plays a huge part. If Edmonton acquired him, Giordano would elevate the entire club's play. If the Flames lost him, the team would play with far less heart.

Yes, Giordano is likely going to be too old by the time the Flames are a contender. Yes, smart asset management says trade him now. However, the Oilers have amply proven that kids being paid millions to play a game won't magically develop a work ethic on their own. They need mentors. Giordano is mentoring the next generation of stars for the Flames. That's worth something, quite probably a lot.

Giordano for Eberle and a 1st round pick? Nope.

Well done.

IMO gio may be the most valuable player to his team of any player in the NHL.

He would be a perfect fit with the oil both as a 1/2 D and as a mentor.

But I think if he has control of where he plays (an NTC) there is no way he would play in EDM with this management team and coaches.

I also think that Burke would be loathe to move him unless there was a huge value coming back.

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#68 Rdubb
February 01 2014, 08:10AM
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There you go Lowetide, I am a fan again...I totally agree with you 100%, Giordano would look great in Oiler silks, & he would fetch a hefty price, and in my opinion, whatever that is worth, I think that it would take much more than a first round draft pick. I'd say perhaps a 1st round pick and a 2nd or 3rd line player who has NHL experience & is young. I think that Gagner and Edmonton's 1st rounder might be what it'd take, & I think Burkie would hold out for more, especially with the season Giordano is having, his career up to this point and because of his "leadership" skills, all of which are extremely valuable to any team, more so to a young inexperienced team such as CAL or EDM... Peck

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#69 Edsez
February 01 2014, 08:22AM
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Giordano would be solid addition, at a good price, but given the option I'd use the pick on Ekblad

I'd like to see a similar look at Dan Girardi

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#70 nunyour
February 01 2014, 10:58AM
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TDM wrote:

No offence, and I appreciate you wanting us to get mcdavid in 2015, but how's that strategy of sucking hard to accumulate picks working out for you guys? I know I'll get thumped on the trashes for this, given that it's ON, but I think you guys have been conditioned to overvalue the influx of top flight picks over how you develop them. I'm not opposed to getting high picks, but trading a guy like Gio who is going to be a significant developmental role model in our transitional period doesn't interest me. I think, perhaps incorrectly, that you guys have had to resort to prospect porn because things are so bleak up there. I just don't want to overvalue picks that are unproven at best as part of our rebuild model in calgary.

You are right,our young guys were thrown to the dogs,I wouldn't trade Gio either.But you need to get some top picks.With all the losing in Edmonton,it is still fun to watch players like Hall,and Nug develop.I too remember when Alberta was called death valley.

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#71 T&A4Flames
February 01 2014, 12:14PM
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Harry wrote:

Hate to break it to you skippy but the Flamers are at the bottom of the league as I write this. All biased aside trading a 30 yr old dman for a top 5 pick doesnt sound to horrible for a rebuilding team

Do you even pay attention to hockey? Your crap team is well below us and we have games in hand. You occupy the WC basement and only the sad sack Sabres are below in the league.

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#72 T&A4Flames
February 01 2014, 12:23PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

In my books 24 to 30 is the basement, Once your in , there is not much to choose between the 24 or 30 basement postion. At least 29 gets a better chance at a draft pick.

Auhhhh, the Oiler nation mantra...... Better picks

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#73 seanjohn667
February 01 2014, 07:12PM
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Bean-counting cowboy wrote:

Another Flames fan here. I second this... BIG TIME. Gio is the heart and soul of the whole team and is a tremendous leader for the young players that will be coming the next few years.

If Gio were traded the Flames would suck hard and for sure sink to the bottom of the league. I don't think that would promote the proper team mentality.

i dunno, man. the 2nd ad 3rd picks (Reinhart and Dreisatl), along with Monahan, Bertschi, Backlund? that's a pretty attractive core. You'd be a fool to not at least consider it.

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#74 Josh Oiler
February 02 2014, 09:08PM
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"Play bad for Ekblad"

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#75 Josh Oiler
February 02 2014, 09:14PM
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Enough of these little guys. MACTAVISH knows what he is doing. He is getting all the BIGTIME mashers that are available so in case u can't beat them, at least you can beat them up!

My main man, DION PHANEUF would have been the premier guy for us!

We need size. And boys and girls: SIZE DOES MATTER!!!!

Giordano is okay, but not great. Calgary sucks so that is why he plays so much. DOES ANYONE THINK HE IS THAT GOOD LIKE IN THE ATB COMMERCIAL WHEN HE HIT THAT WATER BOTTLE THAT EBZ SHOT UP!!

C'mon!

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