HARD TARGET SEARCH: MARK GIORDANO

Lowetide
January 31 2014 07:23AM

 

In their search for legit help on the blueline, Edmonton must look everywhere and that includes the team down the QE2. The Calgary Flames are in a different part of their rebuild, and although the price would be high, Mark Giordano could be a perfect fit for the Oil.   

Giordano is in a really productive part of his career. At 30, he's played over 300 games and displays a wide range of skills and a great deal of leadership. He should be able to play deep into his 30's and can supply any NHL team with a steady reliable player in all situations.

THE VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAMMER

Here's this year's sledgehammer, Giordano is such a nice player. Toughest opposition and some unattractive zone starts (Brodie too) and even with that he's pretty close to even at Corsi. There's all kinds of positives—25 minutes a night, six goals on the power play—and he's a solid defender. The only negative you can find is his size (6.0, 200), but he's strong enough to win battles.

This is an unusual graph, there's no one in the "two-way" upper right quadrant and just two in the "shutdown" group. Only Giordano is playing the toughs, which suggests to me the Flames tried a few partners and then moved on. Calgary's defense isn't very good here, basically Giordano, Wideman and Brodie, little wonder they've added pieces.

Bouwmeester and Butler were the shutdown defenders in 11-12, neither doing a terribly good job. Giordano got the zone start push but still played the toughs—this season really differs only in zone starts—and when they dealt Bouwmeester they moved Giordano into the more difficult role. Considering the quality of the team, and the quality of competition he's facing, Giordano looks like a pretty solid option. Consistent, with some offensive ability, and he's a lefthander who could probably work with both Petry and Justin Schultz. He did miss 18 games earlier this season due to injury, but that's an occupational hazard. 

Note: The Sledgehammer graphs above are here, and thanks to Extra Skater for the playing card.

NO DAMN WAY CALGARY TRADES HIM TO EDMONTON

Yeah.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

 

The Oilers have a high draft pick, and the Flames are rebuilding. I'm not going to get into the value of a top 5 pick and Giordano's worth compared to Michael Dal Colle or Leon Draisaitl, but there should be a deal in there somewhere with additional talent involved to make things equal. 

Mark Giordano closely resembles exactly what the Oilers are looking for this offseason.

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#1 Dave
January 31 2014, 07:43AM
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as a flames fan.

hahahahahahahahahahaha dream on.

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#2 Andrew
January 31 2014, 07:47AM
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Giordano would be the perfect fit.....dream on in technicolor LT.

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#3 Bean-counting cowboy
January 31 2014, 08:11AM
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Dave wrote:

as a flames fan.

hahahahahahahahahahaha dream on.

Another Flames fan here. I second this... BIG TIME. Gio is the heart and soul of the whole team and is a tremendous leader for the young players that will be coming the next few years.

If Gio were traded the Flames would suck hard and for sure sink to the bottom of the league. I don't think that would promote the proper team mentality.

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#4 #ThereGoesTheOilers
January 31 2014, 03:05PM
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Wow, this conversation went downhill fast.

For the FLAMES FANS who are clogging up the comments section, two points were made in this article:

1> Is Giordano the type of defenseman Edmonton needs? YES.

2> Could he possibly be traded away? YES.

These facts have nothing to do with the not-so-intelligent conversation underway about division standings and sentimenal attachment to a player. Try and stay on topic.

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#5 Mack Stong
January 31 2014, 10:52AM
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China town man wrote:

Wow I never would of thought oilers fans would be Be so in favor of making trades with the flames, my references to not making trades with the flames is very simple why would you have a enemy play for you and expect them to give you full commitment. Am I the only one who is oppose to this? Wow

My man….

Put down the PS3 controller, case up the Call of Duty, put away the espionage novels and chill out…

This is hockey not the cold war!

Players are not spies, double agents, or enemy combatants!!

Give your head a shake!

The NATION is trashing your post cause its SH3!T and lacks logic…not because we are in favour of "the enemy" playing for us…whatever that means….

THIS IS HOCKEY MAN!

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#6 O REALLY NOW
January 31 2014, 08:06AM
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Keep dreaming Oiler fans, keep dreaming.

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#7 brackenbury
January 31 2014, 08:29AM
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@Bean-counting cowboy

No doubt about it. U need a couple solid veteran guys around For mentoring the kids that r going to come up through The system. Flames have a terrific player in MG.

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#8 K_Mart
January 31 2014, 08:07AM
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Not sure I want to give up 15 years of play(Ekblad) for 4-6 years from Giordano... But There's no question that it is worth a look. He could be crucial in the development of guys lime Jultz, Nurse, Marincin, Klefbom, Fedun, and Gernat.

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#9 Parallex
January 31 2014, 08:43AM
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Not going to happen.

It's just not a good fit... as a Flames fan I'm pretty pleased with what the Flames have in development with regards to forward prospects but speaking honestly I think our organizational depth at defense is lacking so I would have little desire to see it weakened.

That and the fact that I think a sizable portion of the fanbase (AKA the consumer of the product) would find the idea of trading the captain to the eternal rival distasteful.

Not that it's impossible... as far as I'm concerned no one is untouchable... but I think the cost would be such that no deal is realistically possible.

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#10 Zarny
January 31 2014, 02:30PM
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suba steve wrote:

I am a FlamesNation visitor to your site.

We have some on FN offering the idea of Gio for Eberle + Oil 2014 first (and some are throwing in the 2015 first as well).

I say they are bats..t crazy. What say you OilerNation?

Yep...they're batsh*t crazy.

There wouldn't be a single 1st round pick included with Eberle for Gio.

In fact it would likely be the Flames kicking in the draft pick.

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#11 beloch
January 31 2014, 03:32PM
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Flames fan (and semi-oiler fan) here. I was initially intrigued by the notion of trading Giordano for Eberle and a 1st rounder. Edmonton's first rounder will likely bring back a quality player, but Eberle... I'm a bit surprised, but he actually has more offensive zone starts and faces easier competition than most Oiler forwards and his possession stats are still pretty weak. Us Flames fans are also all too familiar with what happens when you bring a high-scoring forward from a team with no defensive structure (SWARM!!!) and expect him to play responsibly. His offensive production dries up. It's happened to the Flames many times before, and Eberle looks like one more case of it.

Now look at what Giordano does for the Flames or could do for the Oilers. Lowetide covered the stats well enough. Gio is a good defender, no doubt. I'd like to add that he plays much bigger than his height and weight indicate. I actually did a spit-take when I saw his weight, because he throws other players around better than Smid. I suppose a big part of being able to rag-doll an opponent is actually being able to catch up with him! However, the big thing about Giordano is his leadership. Nothing was given to him easily. He clawed his way into the NHL by will alone. The Flames, despite having nowhere near the talent the Oilers do and spending $11M less on salary, are ahead in the standings because the team plays their hearts out every night. Some of that is coaching, but Giordano also plays a huge part. If Edmonton acquired him, Giordano would elevate the entire club's play. If the Flames lost him, the team would play with far less heart.

Yes, Giordano is likely going to be too old by the time the Flames are a contender. Yes, smart asset management says trade him now. However, the Oilers have amply proven that kids being paid millions to play a game won't magically develop a work ethic on their own. They need mentors. Giordano is mentoring the next generation of stars for the Flames. That's worth something, quite probably a lot.

Giordano for Eberle and a 1st round pick? Nope.

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#12 brackenbury
January 31 2014, 07:58AM
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Andrew wrote:

Giordano would be the perfect fit.....dream on in technicolor LT.

Yes far from perfect. Good player though. Better than any of our guys

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#13 Chambers
January 31 2014, 08:49AM
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As a Flames fan I think we can accommodate! Eberle plus 2014 1st.

Before the tarsiers get on board don't worry. Your leadership has proven they are not capable of pulling the trigger on a major trade. Read my lips...we do not want your garbage in return for a captain and top defenseman! Open your eyes McT....you will always be a sewer team unless you have the guts to give up some core assets!

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#14 The Farmer
January 31 2014, 09:02AM
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I think this would be the perfect fit! It's as plain as day the chemistry he and Eberle would have. I don't know if anyone has seen it but there is a commercial out there where the two of them can pass the puck IN THE AIR! Imagine how good our PP would look then! ~

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#15 Burnward
January 31 2014, 10:06AM
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Trade you Butler for Gagner.

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#16 brackenbury
January 31 2014, 08:17AM
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O REALLY NOW wrote:

Keep dreaming Oiler fans, keep dreaming.

U guys r so sensitive. Can't we play nice? We're both bottom feeders. We have both suffered long enough. Is this all we Have left to feel better about our teams? Firing shots back And forth? Hmmm. Maybe it is. Its a sad state for our teams

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#17 J.R.
January 31 2014, 08:30AM
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O REALLY NOW wrote:

Keep dreaming Oiler fans, keep dreaming.

Will do.

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#18 pkam
January 31 2014, 09:32AM
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I think LT has only one purpose with this blog. He wants to find out how many Flames fans are reading the Oilersnation.

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#19 hankthetank
January 31 2014, 08:07AM
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We give them Smid, then take Gio? Bwahahah.

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#20 Bob Cob
January 31 2014, 09:07AM
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As an Oiler fan, I can't believe I am agreeing with a Flames fan, the Flames aren't trading Giordano. The guy is overrated anyway, Calgary does that to all their players, I can't believe some people actually thought he should be on Team Canada. You need help Lowetide, I think 7 am is a bit early to be hitting the sauce.

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#21 #11flamesfan
January 31 2014, 03:12PM
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China town man wrote:

Low tide suggesting making trades with the team down south is not a good ideal. First of we should never metion the flames with out being passed off secondly I do not want anything that has worn the burning C. To be waring our oilers logo.

We don't need mad flame disease in oil country

Haha... I'm not sure if you remember but your captain Andrew Ferrence use to ply his trade for the flames... I'm pretty sure he's helping the Oilers a lot more than the vets you had before.

But as for Gio going to the Oilers, never going to happen.

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#22 Deke Rivers
January 31 2014, 09:39AM
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I thought Iginla was the heart and soul of the Flames??

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#23 Mack Stong
January 31 2014, 11:50AM
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China town man wrote:

Should learn how to skate before calling your self hockey Man who probably still living in parents basement

Hahahaha!

And learn to read….

I didn't call my self hockey man, a hockey man, the hockey man, or any hockey man…….

I said "THIS IS HOCKEY MAN" as in this is a game….

You crack me up….as in your a funny guy!

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#24 Bucknuck
January 31 2014, 12:10PM
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"This is hockey, man." Punctuation does make a difference.

I believe that the two things that kept Calgary in the playoff race years after they had been counted out was their strong D. Giordano is another example. He's a terrific defenseman. I just figure the asking price would be very dear.

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#25 TDM
January 31 2014, 03:05PM
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nunyour wrote:

If your going to suck you may as well be the best at it,get some high picks this year and next year.I hope you get to pick 1st in 2015,and we get to watch a real battle of Alberta again.

No offence, and I appreciate you wanting us to get mcdavid in 2015, but how's that strategy of sucking hard to accumulate picks working out for you guys? I know I'll get thumped on the trashes for this, given that it's ON, but I think you guys have been conditioned to overvalue the influx of top flight picks over how you develop them. I'm not opposed to getting high picks, but trading a guy like Gio who is going to be a significant developmental role model in our transitional period doesn't interest me. I think, perhaps incorrectly, that you guys have had to resort to prospect porn because things are so bleak up there. I just don't want to overvalue picks that are unproven at best as part of our rebuild model in calgary.

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#26 billythebullet
January 31 2014, 08:30AM
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Fat chance. No way I do a blockbuster with Calgary out of fear we lose the trade!

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#27 albertabeef
January 31 2014, 02:50PM
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Chambers wrote:

@ Albertabeef...do thee numbers look familiar to you....30, 30, 29, ...those are the Oiler recent finishes in the standings or draft positioning..whatever makes you feel better. Oh by the way there is another 29 in your near future.

Ok - I'll try this a little slower for you. Edmonton is BELOW Calgary - that's why they are looking UP to them. I was saying something NICE about your team. I'm an Oiler fan, but I can see simple comments are still beyond you Flames fools.

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#28 Quintana
January 31 2014, 04:11PM
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beloch wrote:

Flames fan (and semi-oiler fan) here. I was initially intrigued by the notion of trading Giordano for Eberle and a 1st rounder. Edmonton's first rounder will likely bring back a quality player, but Eberle... I'm a bit surprised, but he actually has more offensive zone starts and faces easier competition than most Oiler forwards and his possession stats are still pretty weak. Us Flames fans are also all too familiar with what happens when you bring a high-scoring forward from a team with no defensive structure (SWARM!!!) and expect him to play responsibly. His offensive production dries up. It's happened to the Flames many times before, and Eberle looks like one more case of it.

Now look at what Giordano does for the Flames or could do for the Oilers. Lowetide covered the stats well enough. Gio is a good defender, no doubt. I'd like to add that he plays much bigger than his height and weight indicate. I actually did a spit-take when I saw his weight, because he throws other players around better than Smid. I suppose a big part of being able to rag-doll an opponent is actually being able to catch up with him! However, the big thing about Giordano is his leadership. Nothing was given to him easily. He clawed his way into the NHL by will alone. The Flames, despite having nowhere near the talent the Oilers do and spending $11M less on salary, are ahead in the standings because the team plays their hearts out every night. Some of that is coaching, but Giordano also plays a huge part. If Edmonton acquired him, Giordano would elevate the entire club's play. If the Flames lost him, the team would play with far less heart.

Yes, Giordano is likely going to be too old by the time the Flames are a contender. Yes, smart asset management says trade him now. However, the Oilers have amply proven that kids being paid millions to play a game won't magically develop a work ethic on their own. They need mentors. Giordano is mentoring the next generation of stars for the Flames. That's worth something, quite probably a lot.

Giordano for Eberle and a 1st round pick? Nope.

Can I have that stuff that you are smoking? must be really strong.........

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#29 superhall
January 31 2014, 08:34AM
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As much as I hate the flames they have a lot of solid gritty players that I'd take on our third line any day. Gio would be the perfect number one to teach our young d. Just not to sure how you'd make that trade without giving up one of our top players

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#30 Burnward
January 31 2014, 08:40AM
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I think this season is warping your collective minds.

This is blasphemy.

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#31 Tikkanese
January 31 2014, 02:48PM
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The Flames should be trading Gio sooner rather than later while he still has good value. By the time the Flames are any good, he will be too old and will have lost most of his value.

Why not get a great piece, or pieces now instead of a 2nd rounder or worse later?

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#32 Jacques Strap
January 31 2014, 07:45AM
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Blasphemy!

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#33 beloch
February 01 2014, 04:54AM
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@brackenbury

Born in Edmonton. Raised in Calgary. I was the kid whose parents dressed him in an Oilers sweater for hockey practices in Calgary. The Flames are my most beloved team, but I long for the days when Alberta was "Death Valley" to the rest of the league. You may think that I overvalue Giordano, but I merely reflect the love that Calgary has for this player. In all honesty, he's worth less to the Oilers than the Flames would ever accept in trade and he's worth more to the Flames than the Oilers would ever offer. Lowetide is just trolling us all!

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#34 J.R.
January 31 2014, 10:51AM
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@Deke Rivers

You realize Iggy was traded a while back right?

Hard to be the heart and soul of a team you don't even play for.

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#35 suba steve
January 31 2014, 02:16PM
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I am a FlamesNation visitor to your site.

We have some on FN offering the idea of Gio for Eberle + Oil 2014 first (and some are throwing in the 2015 first as well).

I say they are bats..t crazy. What say you OilerNation?

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#36 albertabeef
January 31 2014, 02:23PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

Hey Cowboy, got news for you, the Flames, are already at the bottom of the league.

you better scroll down the page a little more - there is another team looking up at the Flames.

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#37 brackenbury
January 31 2014, 07:46AM
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I agree with the pedigree that Giordano brings. No question He is a solid Dman. And he would b a nice addition to our Horrendous defence. A defence which for all intents and purposes is 4 # 4's, and a 5,6 on a good teams depth chart. I'm not sold on giving up a shot at Ekblad on a Mgio deal. However, I suppose its far from a lock that we get Ekblad. My question Al is aside from incorporating our pick in a deal For MG, is their any combo of assets that are attractive Enough for calgary to make that deal? Thoughts?

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#38 brackenbury
January 31 2014, 08:05AM
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@Dave

Dave BB would b foolish for not considering a deal for the pick and perhaps some other assets. At this stage of calgary's Rebuild it makes some sense to consider such an offer. Are You just sour because the oilers dumped smid on u? Or is it That the oil dumped S.Staios on the pumpkin head gm? Maybe third time is the charm?

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#39 Harry
January 31 2014, 10:15AM
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@Bean-counting cowboy

Hate to break it to you skippy but the Flamers are at the bottom of the league as I write this. All biased aside trading a 30 yr old dman for a top 5 pick doesnt sound to horrible for a rebuilding team

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#40 nunyour
January 31 2014, 10:18AM
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Bean-counting cowboy wrote:

Another Flames fan here. I second this... BIG TIME. Gio is the heart and soul of the whole team and is a tremendous leader for the young players that will be coming the next few years.

If Gio were traded the Flames would suck hard and for sure sink to the bottom of the league. I don't think that would promote the proper team mentality.

If your going to suck you may as well be the best at it,get some high picks this year and next year.I hope you get to pick 1st in 2015,and we get to watch a real battle of Alberta again.

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#41 Burnward
January 31 2014, 11:39AM
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Mack Stong wrote:

My man….

Put down the PS3 controller, case up the Call of Duty, put away the espionage novels and chill out…

This is hockey not the cold war!

Players are not spies, double agents, or enemy combatants!!

Give your head a shake!

The NATION is trashing your post cause its SH3!T and lacks logic…not because we are in favour of "the enemy" playing for us…whatever that means….

THIS IS HOCKEY MAN!

Still...trade the Captain of the Flames to Edmonton.

That's just craze.

Lowetide is just trolling us here.

Worked well though. He got things going over on FN as well.

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#42 Chambers
January 31 2014, 02:00PM
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Giordano will never report. Same can be said for numerous other top end veterans in the NHL!

The Oilers are a loser franchise that after 7.5 years is in need of a major overhaul. They live for draft day and the rest of the league is aware of this. Being traded to the Oilers also means existing player value will severely diminish due to week franchise, inability to attract top talent and win games as well as incompetence in team operations and player development!

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#43 Serious Gord
February 01 2014, 07:37AM
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beloch wrote:

Flames fan (and semi-oiler fan) here. I was initially intrigued by the notion of trading Giordano for Eberle and a 1st rounder. Edmonton's first rounder will likely bring back a quality player, but Eberle... I'm a bit surprised, but he actually has more offensive zone starts and faces easier competition than most Oiler forwards and his possession stats are still pretty weak. Us Flames fans are also all too familiar with what happens when you bring a high-scoring forward from a team with no defensive structure (SWARM!!!) and expect him to play responsibly. His offensive production dries up. It's happened to the Flames many times before, and Eberle looks like one more case of it.

Now look at what Giordano does for the Flames or could do for the Oilers. Lowetide covered the stats well enough. Gio is a good defender, no doubt. I'd like to add that he plays much bigger than his height and weight indicate. I actually did a spit-take when I saw his weight, because he throws other players around better than Smid. I suppose a big part of being able to rag-doll an opponent is actually being able to catch up with him! However, the big thing about Giordano is his leadership. Nothing was given to him easily. He clawed his way into the NHL by will alone. The Flames, despite having nowhere near the talent the Oilers do and spending $11M less on salary, are ahead in the standings because the team plays their hearts out every night. Some of that is coaching, but Giordano also plays a huge part. If Edmonton acquired him, Giordano would elevate the entire club's play. If the Flames lost him, the team would play with far less heart.

Yes, Giordano is likely going to be too old by the time the Flames are a contender. Yes, smart asset management says trade him now. However, the Oilers have amply proven that kids being paid millions to play a game won't magically develop a work ethic on their own. They need mentors. Giordano is mentoring the next generation of stars for the Flames. That's worth something, quite probably a lot.

Giordano for Eberle and a 1st round pick? Nope.

Well done.

IMO gio may be the most valuable player to his team of any player in the NHL.

He would be a perfect fit with the oil both as a 1/2 D and as a mentor.

But I think if he has control of where he plays (an NTC) there is no way he would play in EDM with this management team and coaches.

I also think that Burke would be loathe to move him unless there was a huge value coming back.

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#44 China town man
January 31 2014, 08:19AM
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Low tide suggesting making trades with the team down south is not a good ideal. First of we should never metion the flames with out being passed off secondly I do not want anything that has worn the burning C. To be waring our oilers logo.

We don't need mad flame disease in oil country

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#45 superhall
January 31 2014, 09:42AM
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The Farmer wrote:

I think this would be the perfect fit! It's as plain as day the chemistry he and Eberle would have. I don't know if anyone has seen it but there is a commercial out there where the two of them can pass the puck IN THE AIR! Imagine how good our PP would look then! ~

Those water bottles don't stand a chance!

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#46 Oiler Al
January 31 2014, 10:31AM
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Bean-counting cowboy wrote:

Another Flames fan here. I second this... BIG TIME. Gio is the heart and soul of the whole team and is a tremendous leader for the young players that will be coming the next few years.

If Gio were traded the Flames would suck hard and for sure sink to the bottom of the league. I don't think that would promote the proper team mentality.

Hey Cowboy, got news for you, the Flames, are already at the bottom of the league.

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#47 joe
February 01 2014, 12:20AM
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Pry him from my cold dead hands.

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#48 OilClog
January 31 2014, 01:01PM
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Just as no one ever thought Smid would never be traded to Calgary..

Gio, isn't going to win in Calgary. He may be the heart and soul of the team but he's 10yrs older then the Ashes 20yr old core they're building..

If Gio was anywhere other then Calgary in this position, this trade would happen. I wouldn't bet against it. Burkie loves those high picks when he's starting fresh with a team.

Flames fans just can't see how ugly their next few seasons are about to be lol.

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#49 China town man
January 31 2014, 04:12PM
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@#11flamesfan

I have no issues with ex flames dawning our oilers creast as long as they come from other organizations other than our rival down south, I prefer to have flames and oilers battle it out on the ice and grab a beer after the oilers win.what I don't want to see is two organizations holding hands on and off the ice and play patty cake with each other.

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#50 T&A4Flames
February 01 2014, 12:14PM
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Harry wrote:

Hate to break it to you skippy but the Flamers are at the bottom of the league as I write this. All biased aside trading a 30 yr old dman for a top 5 pick doesnt sound to horrible for a rebuilding team

Do you even pay attention to hockey? Your crap team is well below us and we have games in hand. You occupy the WC basement and only the sad sack Sabres are below in the league.

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