Oilers acquire Mark Fraser from Toronto

Jonathan Willis
January 31 2014 09:06AM

TSN's Darren Dreger reports that the Oilers have added some size to their blue line, adding Mark Fraser from Toronto.

What The Oilers Sent Away

The players going the other way in the deal were both outside of the organization's plans, so the cost on this isn't especially dear.

Teemu Hartikainen is having a pretty good season in Russia and has to be the guy the Leafs were interested in on this deal. He's a big winger with some skill who couldn't do much in 23 NHL games last season with the Oilers; he wasn't interested in staying in the organization on a two-way deal and so he went off to Russia. I've been told down the line that this isn't a player that Edmonton really had plans for, but that doesn't mean he might not break out with the Leafs. 

Cameron Abney, the other guy in the trade, has negative value; he's an ECHL enforcer taking up a spot on Edmonton's 50-man list. In the Oilers' organization he was passed as a player by Erick Lizon (currently with the CHL's Wichita Thunder). 

What the Oilers Added

Everybody hoping Edmonton would add a big, physical defenceman for the third pair got their wish today.

Fraser is listed at 6'4", 220 pounds. He has had three fights in the NHL this season; last year he had nine fights in the majors and eight in the AHL. He's a stay-at-home defenceman who plays a throwback style; the new Theo Peckham on Edmonton's blue line. 

As for what he is as a player? Theo Peckham isn't far-off as a comparison there, either. Fraser has struggled badly this year, with regular partners Paul Ranger and Morgan Rielly both faring better without him than with him. Of interest, though, is the way he and Cody Franson played together last season, and the way his regular partners in New Jersey (primarily Andy Greene and Johnny Oduya) played with and without him. He has had a measure of success in the NHL before, even if he isn't enjoying that this season.

For the time being the pending unrestricted free agent can provide the Oilers with physical play in the six/seven slot and provide the Oilers with a warm body if they choose to move other free agents like Anton Belov or Nick Schultz or Corey Potterat the deadline. He has familiarity with Dallas Eakins from time spent with the Marlies, so he should slot in to the Oilers system with relative ease, and his skillset is a nice fit alongside any of Potter, Philip Larsen or Taylor Fedun on that bottom pair.

This is a small trade, but it adds a dimension the Oilers were lacking at the cost of players the team didn't really care about anyway. The player with the most potential to be an NHL difference-maker went to Toronto, but Hartikainen wasn't going to be that guy in Edmonton and the trade market for 'tweeners who want one-way deals isn't as robust as it could be. 

Update - via @Steve_Dangle of Leafs Nation comes this Hockey Night in Canada segment on Fraser:

Additionally, Jeff Veillette - who covered Fraser in person when Fraser played for the AHL's Toronto Marlies - wrote a piece on the trade for Leafs Nation.

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#251 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 05:30PM
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DisappointedFan wrote:

See my major problem with this trade is that it is taking the spot of guys who could "try-out" for next year. (Fedun/Klefbom/Gernat)Unless MacT is doing this because he doesn't want to see them and would rather they take the Barons to a "successful" playoff run.

Fair point DF....but it is entirely possible that Nick Schultz, Potter, and maybe even Belov get moved at the deadline....leaving room for call ups of young guys...and a guy like Fraser to stick up for them. Let's hope anyway.

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#252 Naky
January 31 2014, 05:33PM
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To all those saying that the Oilers gave up on Harti, allow me to ask why it is that you feel free to assume that the Oilers didn't have discussions with Teemu's agent and/or the player himself throughout the year to get a feel of his mindset of playing for the Oilers in the future? Perhaps he wanted to move on. If that's the case, the asset's gone sour and it's best to move him for a decent return before it goes public.

So in other words, stop assuming that the Oilers didn't do their best to convince him and consider that maybe it was the player himself that had no intentions of coming back. Until we know otherwise, it's just as valid a consideration as the opposite.

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#253 Robin Brownlee
January 31 2014, 05:35PM
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"Joe Mamma" and "me": I've deleted most of the comments in the back-and-forth internet purse fight you've been treating everybody to.

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#254 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 05:36PM
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Spydyr wrote:

If Fraser kicks the crap out of the next player to run the goalie.It is a good trade in my book.

No one stands up for the goalie here since Smid was dealt.

Hey Spydyr,

Agreed. I agree that Smid was a physical presence and did stick up for his teammates....but I wish he was a lot meaner....and I really can't remember any good Smid fights. Don't get me wrong..it is .not obvious why you move a semi physical Dman when your D is so soft......but the reason I don't really miss him, besides the 3.5 mil, is that he wasn't mean and he didn't drop them often enough.

I'm reading that Fraser is 6'4" 220 and is a pri@k ! And he's more than willing to mix it up in more ways than one. If true....we win that trade.

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#255 camdog
January 31 2014, 05:37PM
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Nice to get some nasty on the d. It's been embarassing watching this team get pushed around for much of the season. I still don't understand why Mact got rid of the toughness to start the season, looks like he has admitted he was wrong.

You can't bring up kids and expect them to physically compete against men over an 82 game NHL schedule, without having some muscle to help and protect the kids.

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#256 Spydyr
January 31 2014, 05:41PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

"Joe Mamma" and "me": I've deleted most of the comments in the back-and-forth internet purse fight you've been treating everybody to.

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#257 Spydyr
January 31 2014, 05:43PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Hey Spydyr,

Agreed. I agree that Smid was a physical presence and did stick up for his teammates....but I wish he was a lot meaner....and I really can't remember any good Smid fights. Don't get me wrong..it is .not obvious why you move a semi physical Dman when your D is so soft......but the reason I don't really miss him, besides the 3.5 mil, is that he wasn't mean and he didn't drop them often enough.

I'm reading that Fraser is 6'4" 220 and is a pri@k ! And he's more than willing to mix it up in more ways than one. If true....we win that trade.

They also freed up another roster spot and by the looks of things J.J. took Harti's job anyhow.

J.J. looks better to me .

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#258 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 05:49PM
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Spydyr wrote:

They also freed up another roster spot and by the looks of things J.J. took Harti's job anyhow.

J.J. looks better to me .

If he can stay healthy JJ looks better to me too.

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#259 toprightcorner
January 31 2014, 06:24PM
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Spydyr wrote:

They also freed up another roster spot and by the looks of things J.J. took Harti's job anyhow.

J.J. looks better to me .

Unfortunately "looks better" and "good" are two different things. To me, JJ is a clinger who can use his size but offerers little else and is a 7 minute 4th liner until someone is brought in to do that job better.

To take a big step forward, existing bottom 6 players need to be pushed down a notch and replaced with better players for those positions. Imagine if Jones, Gordon and Hendricks were our 4th line and our 3rd line was made up of players better than them? That would be a huge improvement.

Instead, we continue to bring in guys who are put in positions greater than they have played before. JJ was an good AHLer/4th liner and was brought in for the 3rd line. On good teams, Ferenence is 5/6 dman but playing top pairing minutes, Hendricks is a 4th liner but playing 3rd line, Jones is a 4th liner playing on the 3rd line, Petry is a 3/4 guy playing the #1 role, Acton is a career AHLer brought in for 4th line.

Most of our players would be playing at a step or 2 lower on a good team.

The Oilers have done that since the last cup run and that is why they have not improved. Here is a list of players that were put in a position 1 step higher than they were capable of or would have played on a good team: Pisani, Neilsen, Cogliano, Horcoff, Belanger, Eager, N Schultz, Petrell, Whitney, Reddox, Brule, Jacques, Penner, O'Sullivan, Putolny, Comerie, Pouliot, Cole, Kotalik and Foster.

That is why the Oilers have not improved. MacT needs to push many existing players down a notch and replace them with ones that are better in that position to improve the team.

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#260 Zarny
January 31 2014, 06:27PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Is the risk that bothers you the risk of the overspend bringing us up against the cap and thereby limiting our future options? Or, the risk of the player himself?

It's the risk of being tight against the cap and knowing you will need to add more players.

The Oilers are not Brian Campbell + a G away from being Cup contenders. They will need to add additional players. I want nothing to do with overpaying Brian Campbell $2-3M preventing a necessary move.

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#261 toprightcorner
January 31 2014, 06:30PM
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Spydyr wrote:

They also freed up another roster spot and by the looks of things J.J. took Harti's job anyhow.

J.J. looks better to me .

I knew Edmonton had Hartis rights but didnt know he took up a contract spot as well, that itself is good news.

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#262 vetinari
January 31 2014, 06:36PM
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toprightcorner wrote:

I knew Edmonton had Hartis rights but didnt know he took up a contract spot as well, that itself is good news.

It was the other guy who took up the roster space... Harti's rights don't count against the 50 man contract list. We also unloaded a ECHL fighter who didn't likely have a chance to ever see the NHL in the process.

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#263 michael
January 31 2014, 06:44PM
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#264 toprightcorner
January 31 2014, 06:50PM
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vetinari wrote:

It was the other guy who took up the roster space... Harti's rights don't count against the 50 man contract list. We also unloaded a ECHL fighter who didn't likely have a chance to ever see the NHL in the process.

Thanx for confirming, thats what I thought so we didnt gain a contract spot but we didnt add one either.

Thanks again

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#265 ToppsSmith
January 31 2014, 07:14PM
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I'll just add this about Fistric. He asked for 2 mil o he didn't have to be an Oiler. You really want him on your team? I don't.

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#266 Robin Brownlee
January 31 2014, 07:15PM
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Quick note:

"me": you not only didn't take the hint, you posted as "brownlee." You're done here -- no matter what name you choose to use.

"Joe Mamma": If you lost an unrelated comment while I was wasting a part of my day deleting your spat with "me/brownlee," too bad. It wasn't intentional, but that's how it goes.

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#267 Johnnydapunk
January 31 2014, 07:18PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

"Joe Mamma" and "me": I've deleted most of the comments in the back-and-forth internet purse fight you've been treating everybody to.

Post any more of it and an IP ban is next.

Thank you Mr Brownlee.

I admit I shouldn't have "fed the troll" but I tried to be as polite as possible when I am "attacked" albeit in a harmless way.

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#268 KSC10032
January 31 2014, 07:41PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

There was once this player that really hadn't done much at the NHL level. He was a big bodied tough as nails defenceman that was past his prospect due date (26 yrs old). He played for Toronto, and his skating was suspect and no one was expecting much.

Jason Smith was his name.

Now I am not saying this guy is Jason Smith, I'm just saying that a tough as nails all heart defenceman is something this team needs, and you never know what can happen when a player gets a new start.

A decent analogy, although only time will tell just how much upside young Fraser will eventually display.

The same circumstances -- almost exactly -- also apply to the acquisition of one Craig Muni, who was also a Leafs castoff.

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#269 michael
January 31 2014, 07:44PM
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The Ryan Callahan trade rumors are interesting especially if they involve the Leafs. Kadri's name is out there. The Leafs would need to dump more salary though. Wonder if we could pry a player like Franson out of the Leaf. That buyout now has a lot more value to the Oilers now than it did back in July. Could bring us a meaningful player.Hopefully the fallout if it happens favors the Oilers.

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#270 spliff
January 31 2014, 07:49PM
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This season has been the most disappointing of all Oiler seasons. However, I can see MacT starting to reshape the team, one piece at a time, and I have a good feeling about it.

Biggest piece will be the first paring D-man, which hopefully he can secure this summer.Also need a gritty big second line Center, and a legit second pairing D-man.

If he can get that done before next season, I'm sure the Oil will be in the mix for a playoff spot in March. Then, he can continue to tweek the team and address weaknesses in 2015-16.

I know we are in 29th place, but I feel some hope, and not just because of a 3 game winning streak. MacT made some bad moves before the year started, but he seems to be getting a hang of it, and is starting to change the make-up of this team, and adding the nasty gritty size that we need.

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#271 DAVE
January 31 2014, 08:00PM
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I for one would have like to see Pitlick and Harti in the top 9 next year at the beginning of the season. WHY IN THE WIDE WORLD OF SPORTS is MacT loading up on AHL D, I know MacT. quit the booze, but, Fraser is not a regular roster player at 28, so why make this trade in the first place.

This trade has no relavance on this season, or any past this one, except unless Harti goes to T.O. and becomes a energy player on the third line, and want's to hurt anybody wearing a oiler's jersey.

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#272 KSC10032
January 31 2014, 08:10PM
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KSC10032 wrote:

A decent analogy, although only time will tell just how much upside young Fraser will eventually display.

The same circumstances -- almost exactly -- also apply to the acquisition of one Craig Muni, who was also a Leafs castoff.

Sorry. I didn't realize that another poster had already mentioned this. My bad. I'll read to the end before replying, in future.

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#273 Arius Mumin
January 31 2014, 08:19PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Fair point DF....but it is entirely possible that Nick Schultz, Potter, and maybe even Belov get moved at the deadline....leaving room for call ups of young guys...and a guy like Fraser to stick up for them. Let's hope anyway.

I don't believe the Oilers will trade Belov. He will start next season as an Oiler, there is no reason to get rid of him-and there is no reason not to give him more time.

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#274 Rick Stroppel
January 31 2014, 08:22PM
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ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME PLAYER?

Anybody who wants a good laugh should read the article on Leafs Nation "Leafs Trade Fraser... ". The link is in the article. The article includes a very elaborate, stats-based analysis in support of the argument that Mark Fraser is BY FAR the worst defenseman on the Leafs and implies that he is possibly the worst defenseman in the NHL. They never wanted him! Just clearing out cap space and/or a roster spot! Good riddance!

Sound familiar?

We get the same thing in Edmonton. Every time the Oilers trade FOR a player he is described as "feisty...great potential...victim of numbers game...fills an important void" etc. When the Oilers trade a player AWAY he is described as "overrated...overpaid...was never going to be a regular...easy to play against despite his size...wasn't going to sign here anyway" etc.

I heard Bob Stauffer talking about Smid the day he was traded. Basically he said he had become soft, complacent, was afraid to block shots, etc. Strange. The night before he was "bleeding Oiler blue" or something like that. Oh well, those grapes are probably sour!

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#275 Rick Stroppel
January 31 2014, 08:38PM
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Wonger wrote:

Oiler fans are going to love FRASER.....Fraser, Hendricks..... Thank You MACT....thank you...thank you.....thank you!!!!!!!EXACTLY WHAT THIS TEAM NEEDS!!!!!Thank You!!!!! Keep going....Simmonds????, etc...

VERY ENTHUSIASTIC....AND SOMEWHAT SUSPICIOUS

I have reason to believe that "Josh Oiler" is posting again under a different name.

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#276 Josh Oiler
January 31 2014, 08:46PM
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I HATE TO TELL EVERYONE THAT I TOLD YOU SO???

BUT:

I TOLD YOU SO!!!!

Craig "The Brain" MACTAVISH did it again. A freakin genius move!!! Once again!!!

MacT is active and is bringing in the freaking BIGTIME MASHERS in the NHL!!!!

I pity any who this this or the Hendricks deal is a bad deal!!

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#277 Frank the dog
January 31 2014, 08:47PM
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With his history of a fractured skull and a knee injury followed by declining stats, I suspect that Fraser may be Whitney'd.

No harm, no foul, he may get over his injuries, and if not, we are no worse off on the ice.

Another solid, if minor, trade by MacT.

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#278 Rick Stroppel
January 31 2014, 08:53PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

I HATE TO TELL EVERYONE THAT I TOLD YOU SO???

BUT:

I TOLD YOU SO!!!!

Craig "The Brain" MACTAVISH did it again. A freakin genius move!!! Once again!!!

MacT is active and is bringing in the freaking BIGTIME MASHERS in the NHL!!!!

I pity any who this this or the Hendricks deal is a bad deal!!

OMG WHAT HAVE I DONE!

Please forgive me! I woke up the real "Josh Oiler"!

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#279 The Last Big Bear
January 31 2014, 08:57PM
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Hemmercules wrote:

I don't understand the MacT hate. The guy took on a last place team of smurfs 6 months ago from a passive GM. He added Ference, Gordon, Perron, Scrivens, Brysgalov, Belov, Hendricks and now Fraser. Tried to get Bernier, Schneider, Clarkson and probably others in trade attempts we never heard about. He shipped out some underachievers in Duby, Paajarvi and Smid.

The guy is active, more so than most GM's out there as far as I can see. Not all moves will be great, not all will work out, but the guy is trying.

I seems to me a lot of people think its as easy as calling up GM's and demanding they trade their great players to us for our junk. Not gonna happen.

I want playoffs next year as much as anyone but it likely wont happen that fast. Tambloweini's team will take time to correct and I think MacT has the potential to do it.

Correction: He took on a *23rd place* team of smurfs 6 months ago, and they have become the worst in the league since then.

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#280 Josh Oiler
January 31 2014, 08:57PM
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As the NHLs #1 underground hockey insider:

I say it's all about beating up the other team. You think a 3 game win streak was a fluke???? The boys are pushing and fighting back!! Ryan Jones, Matt Hendricks, Luke GADZIC..

C'mon boys and girls... Hockey isn't rocket science. You have to have scoring but you also gotta have some grit..

We play on smaller ice surface. We have to grin gout pucks and push off other players for space!!! Arcobello ain't gonna push his way through Milan Lucic or Ryan Kesler.

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#281 Josh Oiler
January 31 2014, 09:02PM
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Rick Stroppel wrote:

OMG WHAT HAVE I DONE!

Please forgive me! I woke up the real "Josh Oiler"!

I'm flattered as you should be as well as I'm not monetarily charging for my presence or wide knowledge of hockey an the Oilers.

Your Welcome!

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#282 Rod from Viking
January 31 2014, 09:18PM
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On a different note, great to see the Canucks lose again. I wish Mac T could have made a deal with Winnipeg before they changed coaches. I find it funny how so many so called Oiler fans can do nothing but ridicule every move made by the Oilers management, Hartikainen did not impress me at all, he knew what it would take to make the NHL team and would not do it consistently and then bolted to the KHL, "he was not willing to do what it takes and the Leaf's wont pay him what he is making now. If nothing else Fraser will defend the front of the net and his team mates for the rest of this year.

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#283 Rick Stroppel
January 31 2014, 09:26PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

And while we're at it: if anything, the fact that the Oilers could add a cheaper Fraser for basically nothing graphically demonstrates how silly they would have been to give Fistric $2 million/year.

CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS

On January 21 Lowetide posted an article here which included an elaborate stats -based argument that the Oilers should bring back Hartikainen next year.

Today Mr. Willis says that the Oilers got Mark Fraser for "basically nothing" which means that Hartikainen is "basically nothing".

One of you guys must be dead wrong.

Or maybe those complicated stats can be used to build up or tear down virtually any player.

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#284 OilDieHard
January 31 2014, 09:37PM
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Naky wrote:

To all those saying that the Oilers gave up on Harti, allow me to ask why it is that you feel free to assume that the Oilers didn't have discussions with Teemu's agent and/or the player himself throughout the year to get a feel of his mindset of playing for the Oilers in the future? Perhaps he wanted to move on. If that's the case, the asset's gone sour and it's best to move him for a decent return before it goes public.

So in other words, stop assuming that the Oilers didn't do their best to convince him and consider that maybe it was the player himself that had no intentions of coming back. Until we know otherwise, it's just as valid a consideration as the opposite.

you should read the bickering and whining at Copper and Blue over this trade....it will make your head spin!!!

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#285 @Oilanderp
January 31 2014, 10:49PM
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All I can say is, everyone here needs to get a fkn job. 6 pages of comments on a tweener addition?

Crazy fools, get jobs!

Insanity! Let it go! Goose Fra Baaaaa!

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#286 james_dean
January 31 2014, 11:04PM
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@Oilanderp wrote:

All I can say is, everyone here needs to get a fkn job. 6 pages of comments on a tweener addition?

Crazy fools, get jobs!

Insanity! Let it go! Goose Fra Baaaaa!

Work is overrated.

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#287 40 Double D (tier 1 wannabe)
January 31 2014, 11:34PM
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How can the Oilers hope to improve when they keep trading for former Leaf players... that franchise has been mired in mediocrity for several decades.

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#288 Shaner
January 31 2014, 11:38PM
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I think this comment sums it up best.......oh how I miss these days!

Thank you rheumatoid arthritis--I am on Twitter.I have only used it a few times and am still new,i cant get on it now as I forgot my password and havent reset it yet,but I am learning and will do that soon.I dont really know how it all works yet.I set it up during the playoffs last year to acess a specific team ASAP but didnt really use the account after that I think I made 4 tweets.I am not a Tweeter by nature.I am nervous using it because I am not sure exactly who the tweets go to --all I know is I get tons of Twitter stuff in my e-mail--time to sharpen up I guess.

I dont really prefer a social media format as I dont play well with others who arent into winning 100% and unless I start a blog I need to use proper forum manners which I find to confining when I am trying to problem solve.I am on ATS "moma2s NewAge Hockey System" its not an organised blog but its a NHS thread you can respond on.Right now its pretty much a maze of random posts,all NHS related,but not in chronological order at all.I was a player/coach through high school-coached 3 teams and played on one myself so I have some very basic competative tactics and philosophys to share,not much but some.It seems in many cases the tactics and ideas fit really well into a hockey mindset.But anything new is always denied until it proves itself to be superior to the old.To be quite honest I am used to competing and in that environment I am in control and a constant communicator and very verbally involved,I was a quiet leader in practises and a loud verbal one in competition,as a result I am used to people just trusting me based on results they are personally witnessing that prevent them from questioning me and my tactics.It saves tons of time when you can just do it and show someone.I am very ill-prepared to handle the constant questions and debates from people that i am forced to accept when I cant just go out and do it as an answer to their inquiries or simply have them comply first and experience the results and ask questions later??So I end up writing huge volumes of text because if i was on the ice I would be considering all of these things--so how can I justifiably leave anything out if I am playing to win or teaching to win???

90% of the time the questions are the same from people,the sticking points are the same and it is soooo frustrating because hockey is so well coached from such a young age that players are indoctrinated and really handcuffed into conforming to convention and tradition or they just dont ever hit the ice.And my lack of basic hockey knowledge drives people batty especially when after two thousand words they finally get it--they couldnt define the dynamic situations but they had all of the data all along--which I wasnt getting,ha ha ha.I think and communicate in dynamic terms always,I cant change that anymore than I could throw any type of game on purpose,its just not possible.

If a G.M just told a team I was a consultant with carte-blanche and didnt give any more dynamic data other than I was untouchable as per managment then Players would listen and learn new dynamic tactics faster than in other sports because then that deep and complete coaching system would be working in my favor even if some of what i said was counter to conventional thinking.But if there is even the slightest chance that conventional thinking and tradition can be used to trump or impede me ,all is lost because those steel trap hockey minds will instinctively revert to their lifetime of teaching.I personally would have paid attention as a competitor to the freaking janitor just out of curiosity and the understanding that critical data can come from literally anywhere. Social forums are a death-trap for my methods.But alas I need the hockey brains because I have no technical baseline as a non-player--just a dynamic baseline from being a winner at many other sports.I NEED the people who fight new ideas so i can learn what they are thinking and seeing dynamicly.The problem starts after we communicate and I begin to introduce non-traditional dynamic actions,because all hockey players do is demand results or shut down,they are seriously not even willing to explore anything that isnt 100% results based,they are like storm-troopers.So I hit and run,post and duck,make a point and retreat to let the smoke clear--and do it again.Its the long way but without the basic hockey knowledgebase to properly do a blog I need hockey peoples perspectives controversy or not.

I love coming here because of the direct and short manner in which hockey people make their points and counterpoints based in large on each ones paralell personel experience,I learn a tremendous amount from them.I know that even a pee-wee player outguns me here but it is a learning environment for me not them,I know I am the one asking strange questions and presenting strange ideas to them.But I also know that places like this are the BEST resource if you are trying to learn about the game and how it works aside from just watching games on TV. Hope to see you on the moma2 thread when I straighten out Twitter I will post the name there.But I am here the most where I can learn the most.

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#289 Naky
January 31 2014, 11:44PM
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Hey look, Harti's a decent player and proven all he could prove at the AHL level and he's doing well in the KHL. In his call ups with the Oilers in the NHL, he couldn't get it done. Just another player with all the tools in the box and no willingness to use them all. That doesn't mean he'll never figure it out but I think he's soured on the organization and all the losing. He's young and proud and eventually he'll figure out that other organizations are going to be wanting him to use all those tools too. That's when he'll either become a better pro or he'll be going back to europe and for good this time.

All that being said, again, if he's gone sour it's best to move him now for a player this team could use now. Is Fraser a bit of a reclaimation project at this point? It's possible, with the injuries he went through. Is it fair trade value potential vs potential? At face value, no, but Fraser has a set of skills that this team doesn't have right now and a willingness to use them whereas Harti has a set of skills that this team doesn't have right now and absolutely no willingness to use them. At least, not with the Oilers. I'd rather have a player that can play in the NHL than another prospect that might never fully make it up from OKC in return for Harti and let's face it, that's all we were going to get for a guy like him. A bottom pairing d-man, an okay prospect, or a middling draft pick.

With Edmonton's blueline, I'll take the bottom pairing dman with a skill set we don't have right now.

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#290 Jaroslav Pouzar
January 31 2014, 11:58PM
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WTF? Is MacT trying to build an AHL team?

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#291 Bucknuck
February 01 2014, 12:03AM
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KSC10032 wrote:

A decent analogy, although only time will tell just how much upside young Fraser will eventually display.

The same circumstances -- almost exactly -- also apply to the acquisition of one Craig Muni, who was also a Leafs castoff.

Luke Richardson was also a leafs cast off, though he was in his early 20's when the Oil acquired him. same kind of player.

I see a trend.

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#292 Chainsawz
February 01 2014, 12:04AM
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Hmm, I see a lot of fans on here that watch hockey, but maybe don't really follow it. By that I mean anyone on here who thinks they never should have let Mark Fistric walk clearly does not understand that a guy like that is simply not worth the money he wanted. Big checking bottom pairing stay at home defenders are a dime a dozen in this and the AHL. An Nhl team should never be paying more than 1 mill per year for a guy who doesn't contribute offensively.

Fistric aside, I liked Smid, but I don't even think he was worth the money.

Anyone saying Mac T is a bad GM after only a year in the chair is crazy. Compared to Bambi this guy has been great. His expensive moves have paid off (Perron, Gordon). Most have his low risk moves have been good (Gazdic, Belov, Scrivens, Bryz). And the ones that have been bad, well they aren't signed long term for any amount of money so who cares (Macntyre, the other russian defenseman, Larsen). If anything the only questionable one was Ferrence, and really Mac T needed to bring in something and he knew he'd have to overpay to do it.

He is doing exactly what he said he'd do, build a tougher team around our top talent. The guy maybe hasn't yet pulled of a huge block buster, but so far I think he's done way more good than bad, and in a very short amount of time.

The only reason I trashed this comment is because you compared Tambellini to MacTavish. So what? A brick with a dunce cap could manage a team better. Doesn't make that brick a good manager.

MacTavish has been busy but let's not confuse busy with productive. This is still a basement team.

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#293 Chainsawz
February 01 2014, 12:09AM
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Yo Shaner, keep your comments less words than the actual blog.

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#294 Bucknuck
February 01 2014, 12:09AM
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Correction: He took on a *23rd place* team of smurfs 6 months ago, and they have become the worst in the league since then.

worst in the league? Sorry man, that honour is bestowed upon the mighty Sabres of Buffalo. I still have hope the Oil will finish higher than the flames (and then win the draft lottery anyways). I am curious what happens down the stretch.

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#295 slats
February 01 2014, 01:07AM
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People who are for the trade seem to think it was a MacT trade but I think this is an Eakins trade no?

Sure he's a UFA but he's having a crap season and would probably get a crap offer or worse a 2-way deal from the Centre of Universe Leafs.

So what we get is a Coach who convinces Mac T (and 6 Rings) with something like this: "Heh Gents get me Fraser for these spare parts we have no need for its low risk for us and let me get Mark Fraser back to being a good stay out home d-man. I will cut him loose on anyone taking runs at 4,93,14 - he has the green light to play nasty and mean."

A move that gets us to the promise land ....No. But another piece, some more progress and not a lot of risk.

Good move Coach . . .

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#296 Lawndemon
February 01 2014, 01:16AM
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You know your team is bad when a blog post about the Oilers acquiring a press box castaway from the Leafs generates 295 posts debating the merit of the addition.

What would happen here if MacT actually made a significant move?

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#297 pkam
February 01 2014, 02:51AM
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So correct me if I'm wrong here.

MacT lets Fistric walk, then re-aquires a worse version of him in exchange for the rights to Hartikainen + for 25 or so games?

This is considered ok?

Regarding Fistric, what is MacT supposed to do other than let him walk? Sign him to 3 years at 2M? This is what happen when you can't agree with the contract term with a UFA. Fistric is no different than any other UFA, like Iglina. If you are not interested in him, don't talk to him. If you are interested, you try to sign him to a contract you think is reasonable to you. If you can't sign him to a contract you think is reasonable to you, then you move on to the next one. How complicate is it?

You think Fraser is worse, obviously MacT thinks otherwise. Fraser not only will hit, he will drop the groves and stand up for his teammates. How many time did Fistric drop the gloves to protect his kids? If you have to choose between Mike Brown and Fraser, who would you rather have? Both the Oilers and the Sharks have to give a 4th rounder to get Mike Brown, do you think any team will give a 4th rounder for Fistric?

I am not sure what the right to Hartikainen will get us. What did we get for Omark? futher consideration, inw, a 6th/7th rounder. This summer MacT release Toni Rajala to Europe. I was quite upset because although Rajala is small, he, imo, is our best forward in OKC. If MacT can let Rajalo go, it is just a matter of time that we will do the same to Hartikainen. Since he is not part of our plan, therefore the roster spot has more value to MacT than his right.

I was never a fan of either player so I am totally okay with it. Perhaps you are a fan of those 2 players, or MacT hater?

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#298 Cynic
February 01 2014, 03:28AM
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Josh Oiler sounds like Bob Evans as written by Drew Magary on Deadspin.

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#299 Spydyr
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Lawndemon wrote:

You know your team is bad when a blog post about the Oilers acquiring a press box castaway from the Leafs generates 295 posts debating the merit of the addition.

What would happen here if MacT actually made a significant move?

We would be shocked into silence.

Who am I kidding, this place would be crazy. Guys would be challenging other guys to meet by the bike racks after school.

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#300 MessyEH
February 01 2014, 06:26AM
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300 posts over a nothing trade?

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