Oilers acquire Mark Fraser from Toronto

Jonathan Willis
January 31 2014 09:06AM

TSN's Darren Dreger reports that the Oilers have added some size to their blue line, adding Mark Fraser from Toronto.

What The Oilers Sent Away

The players going the other way in the deal were both outside of the organization's plans, so the cost on this isn't especially dear.

Teemu Hartikainen is having a pretty good season in Russia and has to be the guy the Leafs were interested in on this deal. He's a big winger with some skill who couldn't do much in 23 NHL games last season with the Oilers; he wasn't interested in staying in the organization on a two-way deal and so he went off to Russia. I've been told down the line that this isn't a player that Edmonton really had plans for, but that doesn't mean he might not break out with the Leafs. 

Cameron Abney, the other guy in the trade, has negative value; he's an ECHL enforcer taking up a spot on Edmonton's 50-man list. In the Oilers' organization he was passed as a player by Erick Lizon (currently with the CHL's Wichita Thunder). 

What the Oilers Added

Everybody hoping Edmonton would add a big, physical defenceman for the third pair got their wish today.

Fraser is listed at 6'4", 220 pounds. He has had three fights in the NHL this season; last year he had nine fights in the majors and eight in the AHL. He's a stay-at-home defenceman who plays a throwback style; the new Theo Peckham on Edmonton's blue line. 

As for what he is as a player? Theo Peckham isn't far-off as a comparison there, either. Fraser has struggled badly this year, with regular partners Paul Ranger and Morgan Rielly both faring better without him than with him. Of interest, though, is the way he and Cody Franson played together last season, and the way his regular partners in New Jersey (primarily Andy Greene and Johnny Oduya) played with and without him. He has had a measure of success in the NHL before, even if he isn't enjoying that this season.

For the time being the pending unrestricted free agent can provide the Oilers with physical play in the six/seven slot and provide the Oilers with a warm body if they choose to move other free agents like Anton Belov or Nick Schultz or Corey Potterat the deadline. He has familiarity with Dallas Eakins from time spent with the Marlies, so he should slot in to the Oilers system with relative ease, and his skillset is a nice fit alongside any of Potter, Philip Larsen or Taylor Fedun on that bottom pair.

This is a small trade, but it adds a dimension the Oilers were lacking at the cost of players the team didn't really care about anyway. The player with the most potential to be an NHL difference-maker went to Toronto, but Hartikainen wasn't going to be that guy in Edmonton and the trade market for 'tweeners who want one-way deals isn't as robust as it could be. 

Update - via @Steve_Dangle of Leafs Nation comes this Hockey Night in Canada segment on Fraser:

Additionally, Jeff Veillette - who covered Fraser in person when Fraser played for the AHL's Toronto Marlies - wrote a piece on the trade for Leafs Nation.

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#151 oilabroad
January 31 2014, 09:50AM
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YEGFan wrote:

Fistric was not great for us. He could not carry our already weak D and needed time to grow and learn how to do things other than ignore his assignments and go for a big hit. He needed to be sheltered by stronger defensemen like he is in Anaheim. He has some useful skills, but he is not what the Oilers need and that was obvious. The Oilers are in desperate need of top end defensive talent, not 6-7 guys who can fill a niche role on a cup contender.

I am pretty sure he sat around unsigned for a long time last summer. There was no "missed... housekeeping." He proved himself to not be what the Oilers needed to prioritize. His current usefulness would probably not have materialized if he was still an Oiler.

He also was frequently a healthy scratch while here. I don't buy that the decline from last year to this year has anything to do with him.

While I agree with JW that he was not worth 2M, I disagree with you completely. He was the only 5-7D we had who was holding his head above water, and the scratches were not justified based on the stats... I am too lazy to look it up, but I do remember this being written about by JW and others

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#152 DisappointedFan
January 31 2014, 11:10AM
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Zarny wrote:

Sorry but having Fistric from game one would not have been miles better.

They had him last year and finished 24th.

For $2 million per year the only answer you give Mark Fistric is "get lost".

We can't argue on the play of someone who wasn't here...but I think we have all agreed they had no physicality and got out muscled in many games that they may have stood a chance in. If he were there over an empty jersey in Potter (who deflects every shot in his own goal) or Belov (who lets guys easily skate in for a breakaway on his goalie) Nick Schultz (I don't know if he actually provides anything besides being somewhat in position and blocking shots) I think we would see a slightly higher standing.

24th looks a lot nicer than 29th or 30th...shows progression...not regression.

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#153 Will
January 31 2014, 11:19AM
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Joe Mamma wrote:

This is a perfect example of not being able to please all of the people all of the time. This was a solid hockey move that cost us nothing guys. We traded a failing prospect and an overated one unwilling to accept his lot in life, for a roster player that fills a need. The vortex of negativity in this town is unstoppable, and getting old. Is this the big move we need? No. But it's still a good pickup.

Sometimes I think Oiler fans could do well to remember that the only way to eat an elephant is one bite at a time. We all agree that there are a multitude of issues with this club. Well, one of them was a lack of big, rugged, stay at home type dmen in the rotation. This is a good start to addressing it.

MacT has been VERY active, most of his pickups have been solid, and I doubt he's done. I'll take that over Mr. Dithers any day. I was pretty dubious when they announced him as GM, but he is definitely winning me over.

Completely agree. Moreover, this might just be kind of a Manager deal. I can maybe see Nonis calling up MacT and saying hey, we need to offload some salary, we can take contracts back in return. Edmonton gets another bottom pairing guy at zero risk, and the Leafs maybe get enough cap room to either get something at the deadline, or get what's his name off injured reserve.

Fraser somehow in 48 games last year had 8 points and was plus 18. That is crazy. Who was he playing with on the leafs of all teams to have plus 18 in 46 games played? If that's the type of stay at home guy we are getting and can sign for reasonable dollars (see not Mark Fistric), that's great.

Oilers needed a veteran stay at home number 5/6 guy who shoot left to play with our more offensive guys. I wanted Orpik to play on the second pairing with J Schultz, but who knows.

Finally, for everyone wondering about Fedune, or this guy or that guy, well Fraser is a UFA at year's end so it's yet another no risk move for a bottom pairing guy. Either he plays good and we might resign him, or he doesn't and we don't.

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#154 Randaman
January 31 2014, 12:26PM
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JimW wrote:

Apparently the Oilers like to make moves in pairs, so who is next? Nultz, Larsen, Potter, Jones, Gagner, or Hemsky?

All of the above and with Gagme the sooner the better

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#155 OilClog
January 31 2014, 01:13PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Nick Schultz is worth a million less than what he's paid and Hemsky is worth about 2.5 million as well. You're comparing two overpaid players to one.

What is wrong with you.. Dense much

It's not anything to do with abilities with being able to absorb Campbell's contract. It's that the Oilers are paying more for the two currently then what Campbell's contract is worth. Understand. If we move the two, bring in the one. We actually will be paying less.

If Campbell is available he's definately worth looking into, there are a few other players I try to shake loose first though.. Subban, Weber, that guy Montreal traded for Gomez, Big Buff..if they can't be had, I'd grab Campbell.

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#156 Will
January 31 2014, 01:27PM
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It always makes me laugh how crazy people get for these small signings.

I remember people going crazy for giving up a second round pick for Fistric, now they're going crazy for giving up...?

As for this Campbell business, Willis do you think overpaying in free agency - which is really just the nature of free agency and not so much the player or management's fault - is the way to get a top 2 guy, or do you think there's a trade out there to get one of those guys. I have been enjoying the hard target articles for this very subject matter.

Do you think there is any hope in hell that if Callahan hits free agency we could get him, and if so would that make one of our RW expendable to trade for a top 2 guy? Say perhaps a certain Ketih Yandle?

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#157 A-Mc
January 31 2014, 01:37PM
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@Will

i think it was a 3rd we gave up for Fistric! just FYI =)

PS: you have a real chubby for Callahan.. Haven't you asked about him in almost every thread you've replied to over the last week or so? LOL

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#158 Will
January 31 2014, 01:58PM
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A-Mc wrote:

i think it was a 3rd we gave up for Fistric! just FYI =)

PS: you have a real chubby for Callahan.. Haven't you asked about him in almost every thread you've replied to over the last week or so? LOL

Awe, that's nice. Someone is reading my posts.

Yeah I kind of latch onto an idea and then yell loudly about it until it either gains traction or becomes moot.

I've been shouting about Yandle for a couple years now.

Last season I was yelling to take Nichuskin, trade Gags for help on D, then sign Antripov and have a Canadian and Russian line as our top two.

This is why I'm not a GM I guess.

I think my overall point is that Mac T is doing a good job of building the 2006 cup run style Oilers around the top end talent we have which has been a big complaint levelled against the club in past years (i.e. no grit, no heart, something the 2006 version had in spades). What's needed though besides a good amount of ancillary moves is something risky.

They are going to need to balance out the top 6 somehow. Perron was a good start in that he's an awesome agitator with some incredible skill and drive to win, and he's pretty good two way. But the team will still need, IMO replace one of Gagner, Yak, or Ebs, with a more physical and two way thinking player. Hopefully one with some size and veteran leadership. Again IMO no other player available fits that better than Callahan.

With that, they have trade options for that elusive number two d man. I like the suggestion by Willis to just pay for someone like Campbell, but I also hope they do better.

For this particular trade, I look at Fraser's number's last year and think man I hope the concussion he took hasn't irrevocably changed his game. But if it has, well, they can just not resign him next year and the team really didn't lose anything.

What do you think is a reasonable route to fixing the team? Are they still far away or maybe one or two big moves?

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#159 Grizztopia
January 31 2014, 02:03PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

I'd take Campbell on an expensive two year deal.....problem is he's going to be looking for a 4 to 6 year deal and that is where he may not be a good fit.

Campbell is not the big tough 1-2 Dman that most of us are dreaming about, but if it's a two or three year deal then we cannot let our pursuit of perfection get in the way of a seriously good upgrade.

Edit: Joe Mamma

Right you are. Thank you. He is under contract for two more years after this year at $7.15 million per season.

So then the questions for me are, does he have a no trade or limited no trade contract, and what would we have to give up to get him?

The good news is that if you trade for Campbell now, you have him on the aforementioned expensive two year deal (signed through the next two seasons already), and can likely move him as a rental at the end if need be.

Though my hope would be the Oilers will be done offloading players as rentals to other teams in two years time.

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#160 michael
January 31 2014, 03:11PM
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Dale Tallon did not get stupid overnight. Campbell is his biggest asset. He paid to get him when he arrived in Florida. Now that the new owner has expressed his wishes to become a cap team going forward why in hells name would Talon trade him?

Campbell gives Florida a legit number 1. You pair him up with Gudbranson and they'll be solid for a few years to come.

I take a wait and see approach. We'll see a number of departures this off season. I think we'll see one or two FA signings. But of the minor league variety. We'll see more players graduating via OKC. We'll also see the likes of Mitch Moroz and Dillon Simpson being added along with some others to the OKC roster.

Adding players like Fraser and IB costs little. Scrivens cost a 3rd pick. We know the odds of those making it to the NHL.

MacT is expending little in terms of viable assets to acquire players who have UFA status. If they work out.Great. If not.Flush. Its a win win situation for the Oilers as they look for the right mix of skill and grit.

I like what he is doing. Little risk.

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#161 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 03:21PM
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northof51 wrote:

I thought you were better than that. Guess I was wrong.

Reading your measured response to my comment has made me reconsider my response. You're right...I should be better than that....clearly you are.....I think I misinterpreted your comment...my apologies.

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#162 pkam
January 31 2014, 04:46PM
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God wrote:

Is this Fraser guy any good? I have a feeling he's just a bigger, dumber version of Corey Potter with no offensive upside.

He does 2 things at least. He hits anything that is moving, like Fistric. And he drops the gloves better than Smid. And he only costs 1.2M. And he costs us nothing to acquire.

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#163 Walter Sobchak
January 31 2014, 04:52PM
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pkam wrote:

He does 2 things at least. He hits anything that is moving, like Fistric. And he drops the gloves better than Smid. And he only costs 1.2M. And he costs us nothing to acquire.

How can you say he cost nothing to acquire?

A-why trade Smid?

B-why let Fistric go?

C-Why are you giving the rights to Hartikianen away for free?

This trade again makes little sense, and you gave a functioning, useful prospect away for free!

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#164 Walter Sobchak
January 31 2014, 05:08PM
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@Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

Not to point something obvious out as well, but Hartiakinen is 22 years old having a terrific season in the KHL playing a tone of minutes.

Should we completely give up on all 22 year old prospects by the logic "he was never going to part of the equation here" or is it not incumbent on this organization to see development through?

Cause I can give you a list as long as your arm about the "doesn't fit the equation" here of players the Oilers washed away with that same logic.

Not trying to be a prick here, but is this not a huge issue with this org?

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#165 Walter Sobchak
January 31 2014, 05:11PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

A) 3.5 Million Dollars

B). Demanded an overpay at $2 million per

C) it wasn't quite free, but for the sake of argument, free was market value.

I'm not being snide, I do get where you're coming from. I don't think it's a clear cut decision on either side of the argument, which usually indicates that it was in the neighbourhood of a fair deal.

Completely agree on Fistric, so that's my bad! Fistric is a bad example, I'll concede that.

Smid would be more relevant, to be brutally honest with I'm not a Hartiakinen fan ether.

However, I can still see value in him, just like I saw value in Brodziak, might not have been part of the concept then, but look at him go! It's all good man, this is what this place is for, good debate, great opinions, we all want the same thing, Oilers to get better.

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#166 toprightcorner
January 31 2014, 06:30PM
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Spydyr wrote:

They also freed up another roster spot and by the looks of things J.J. took Harti's job anyhow.

J.J. looks better to me .

I knew Edmonton had Hartis rights but didnt know he took up a contract spot as well, that itself is good news.

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#167 ToppsSmith
January 31 2014, 07:14PM
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I'll just add this about Fistric. He asked for 2 mil o he didn't have to be an Oiler. You really want him on your team? I don't.

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#168 Josh Oiler
January 31 2014, 08:46PM
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I HATE TO TELL EVERYONE THAT I TOLD YOU SO???

BUT:

I TOLD YOU SO!!!!

Craig "The Brain" MACTAVISH did it again. A freakin genius move!!! Once again!!!

MacT is active and is bringing in the freaking BIGTIME MASHERS in the NHL!!!!

I pity any who this this or the Hendricks deal is a bad deal!!

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#169 Rick Stroppel
January 31 2014, 09:26PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

And while we're at it: if anything, the fact that the Oilers could add a cheaper Fraser for basically nothing graphically demonstrates how silly they would have been to give Fistric $2 million/year.

CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS

On January 21 Lowetide posted an article here which included an elaborate stats -based argument that the Oilers should bring back Hartikainen next year.

Today Mr. Willis says that the Oilers got Mark Fraser for "basically nothing" which means that Hartikainen is "basically nothing".

One of you guys must be dead wrong.

Or maybe those complicated stats can be used to build up or tear down virtually any player.

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#170 Bucknuck
February 01 2014, 12:09AM
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The Last Big Bear wrote:

Correction: He took on a *23rd place* team of smurfs 6 months ago, and they have become the worst in the league since then.

worst in the league? Sorry man, that honour is bestowed upon the mighty Sabres of Buffalo. I still have hope the Oil will finish higher than the flames (and then win the draft lottery anyways). I am curious what happens down the stretch.

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#171 slats
February 01 2014, 01:07AM
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People who are for the trade seem to think it was a MacT trade but I think this is an Eakins trade no?

Sure he's a UFA but he's having a crap season and would probably get a crap offer or worse a 2-way deal from the Centre of Universe Leafs.

So what we get is a Coach who convinces Mac T (and 6 Rings) with something like this: "Heh Gents get me Fraser for these spare parts we have no need for its low risk for us and let me get Mark Fraser back to being a good stay out home d-man. I will cut him loose on anyone taking runs at 4,93,14 - he has the green light to play nasty and mean."

A move that gets us to the promise land ....No. But another piece, some more progress and not a lot of risk.

Good move Coach . . .

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#172 Hemmercules
February 01 2014, 06:48AM
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MessyEH wrote:

300 posts over a nothing trade?

All the trolls here assume all the talk is about the trade. It' only has so many posts because of the lack of articles yesterday and it happens to be at the top. A lot of the talk here has been about hemsky and mactavish. I suppose I'm just feeding trolls here so I will let myself out lol.

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#173 Zangetsu
February 01 2014, 10:46AM
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I just can't get over how intelligent the oilers organization is. The Marlies are the best AHL team there ever was. Easily better than Half The NHL. The only reason the players were on the farm is that Toronto has been such a powerhouse over the last decade. These players have really started to make a huge impact on the oilers roster now.

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#174 northof51
January 31 2014, 09:54AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Okay, let's rein it in with the Mark Fistric love here. He wanted $2 million a year in Edmonton; the Oilers reportedly offered him a three-year/$4.5 million deal and he wouldn't take it.

Anaheim then signed him on the cheap for a year, and recently re-signed him to a deal for less money than the one Edmonton offered.

I simply can't get angry at the Oilers for refusing to pay Fistric $2 million a year. He added a nice element and I always had time for the player, but that's way too much money for the six/seven man on the depth chart.

First time I can ever recall disagreeing with you, Willis...

Put this deal into perspective and the Oilers could have Fistric and some other really cheap player to replace what's his name from Nashville. We need way more help anywhere on D than we do in our Bottom 6.

The Oilers are a better team with Fistric and a cheaper 3/4 LW crasher than they are with Fraser and Hendricks, all for a similar cash commitment. And you still have a currently 32 year old Hendricks on the payroll through 2017.

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#175 DAVE
January 31 2014, 10:13AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

And while we're at it: if anything, the fact that the Oilers could add a cheaper Fraser for basically nothing graphically demonstrates how silly they would have been to give Fistric $2 million/year.

It would'nt have been basically nothing, if MacT hadn't let Hartikainan get away and signed him to one way deal instead of Joenseu.

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#176 Lochenzo
January 31 2014, 11:16AM
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You're right that this is a move with an eye to trade deadline. Add a dman now and you'll probably see some guys get moved later for picks to replace some of the picks that were traded away away earlier in the year.

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#177 Oiler63
January 31 2014, 11:22AM
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Don't get overly excited folks. He's not the same since taking the puck to the face last season. He did well last year but there's a reason he couldn't even crack Leafs' line up this year.

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#178 YEGFan
January 31 2014, 11:23AM
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Zarny wrote:

Actually if you're Fedun, you're thinking "great maybe Fraser will be able to knock ginormous centers like Getzlaf and Thornton off the puck...because I certainly can't do it."

Yeah! He can lay big hits on Thornton and Getzlaf after they've passed the puck for easy goals by Pavelski and Perry! Then I'm sure Thornton and Getzlaf will think twice before completely outplaying him again on the next shift, because, you know, tough guys on every team have been super effective at shutting centres like them down...

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#179 DisappointedFan
January 31 2014, 11:42AM
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@Zarny

So now he's playing on the Ducks, is 2nd on their team in hits and has played 28 games..you're telling me that wouldn't be something you'd pay for. He has 128 hits at 2nd on his team 40 hits above the next best player, and he'd be 1 hit behind Jeff Petry (team leader)...you'd be stupid not to pay somehow who goes and crushes people all day. We have more than enough non-offensive, non-defensive defensemen, they could have used one who could at least lay the body.

Mark Fraser has 66 hits in 19 games, hardly comparable. They overpaid Gagner, Horcoff, Hemsky, and on and on...overpaying a player who actually does his job is a huge plus. You get Matt Hendricks who is being paid because he's an energy player on the Oilers. I like it. He does his job and it's working for them.

Going from 29th to 24th = progression. Going from 24th to 29th = regression.

Moving up (progression) is a positive thing, so they are in the basement, they're atleast walking to the door. Moving down (regression) is a negative and shows that they like hiding in the dark and getting kicked around by their abusive older brothers (the rest of the league).

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#180 michael
January 31 2014, 12:01PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

There was once this player that really hadn't done much at the NHL level. He was a big bodied tough as nails defenceman that was past his prospect due date (26 yrs old). He played for Toronto, and his skating was suspect and no one was expecting much.

Jason Smith was his name.

Now I am not saying this guy is Jason Smith, I'm just saying that a tough as nails all heart defenceman is something this team needs, and you never know what can happen when a player gets a new start.

Before Jason Smith there was guy named Crag Muni. Before him a guy named Don Jackson.DJ could absolutely punish you physically. he was dirt mean.

There were nights when him and Wier just punished guys. They had Semenko back in the day but they had complimentary players through out the lineup who could and would just tear off your head when required.

MacT understands that and sees a need for a grittier hard nosed dman who can bring that to the lineup for 15 minutes a night.

RJ has come around and that grit that was buried after his eye injury has returned. Add Matt Hendricks. Gazdic and now Fraser and we might not get our lunch taken away by the other teams bully boys ever night.

Your 3rd and 4th lines now have 3 guys who can bring that grit.Add a dman or 2 with those same qualities and we might be able to win a few of those scrums in front ofour net.And not have our dmen pushed over like bowling pins(Belov)when the other team comes calling in our blue paint.

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#181 michael
January 31 2014, 12:14PM
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Hemsky's 5 million looks great next season off the books. Add Eager,N.Shultz(3.75),Smyth at 2.25(I think he is resigned at 1.5).Grebby,Belov,Potter,Larsen(1.1)and whole whack of other guys.We'll save on the goaltending.DD was 3.75. think you can sign Scrivens and one other goalie for a lot less than that.I see Gagner being shown his hat at the draft.There goes 4+million.

My point is that cap space even with having to sign RFA's will be plentiful.Hemsky's return if its a 3rd is fine by me.Its better than nothing.

Eakins quote "Fraser adds a growl back there"

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#182 oilersd
January 31 2014, 01:37PM
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@gcw_rocks

"I doubt we see Fedun on Edmonton..."

Who cares?

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#183 Joe Mamma
January 31 2014, 01:55PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

I'd take Campbell on an expensive two year deal.....problem is he's going to be looking for a 4 to 6 year deal and that is where he may not be a good fit.

Campbell is not the big tough 1-2 Dman that most of us are dreaming about, but if it's a two or three year deal then we cannot let our pursuit of perfection get in the way of a seriously good upgrade.

Edit: Joe Mamma

Right you are. Thank you. He is under contract for two more years after this year at $7.15 million per season.

So then the questions for me are, does he have a no trade or limited no trade contract, and what would we have to give up to get him?

Pretty sure he still has two years left on his current deal.

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#184 gcw_rocks
January 31 2014, 02:05PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

I agree with the notion that the Oilers need to add a top pairing Defenseman. Until they do, they will be on the outside looking in.

That said, i do like the direction MacT has been heading with his personnel moves. Perron, Hendricks, Gazdic, Fraser, Ference, and Gordon are all hard to play against.

The experiments are all on one year deals: Grebby, Belov, Scrivens and Bryzgalov. If any of them work out it's a bonus, if not they are gone.

I've been impressed.

Hendricks, Gazdic, and Fraser are all hard to play against?

Three of those guys are replacement level players, two of which can barely play hockey and one who can't. The are hard to play against how? The dirty looks they give all the players who skate around them?

Ference is fast approaching the time where d-men of his type fall off a cliff, but he is under contract for 3 more years with a NMC.

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#185 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 02:14PM
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Joe Mamma wrote:

Pretty sure he still has two years left on his current deal.

Right you are. Thank you. He is under contract for two more years after this year at $7.15 million per season. And he has a limited No Trade clause in his contract. According to Cap Geek he can provide the Panthers with a list of 8 teams that he WIIL accept a trade to.

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#186 A-Mc
January 31 2014, 02:16PM
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shaddup wrote:

Speak for yourself, I like reading Serious Gord's comments. I may not agree with him, but I like that he has an opinion and can express why he has those opinions.

If you don't care to read his comments, kindly skip over it and allow those of us who do to read it and comment accordingly.

Who the hell are you to speak for the rest of us?

Who said anything about speaking for the rest of you? You're welcome to say what you want.

I'm tired of reading the exact same message that is posted every single thread. It's the same negative BS and it's not gaining any traction with continual repeats.

I'd have PM'd him if it were possible but it's not.

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#187 Zarny
January 31 2014, 02:22PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

I'd take Campbell on an expensive two year deal.....problem is he's going to be looking for a 4 to 6 year deal and that is where he may not be a good fit.

Campbell is not the big tough 1-2 Dman that most of us are dreaming about, but if it's a two or three year deal then we cannot let our pursuit of perfection get in the way of a seriously good upgrade.

Edit: Joe Mamma

Right you are. Thank you. He is under contract for two more years after this year at $7.15 million per season.

So then the questions for me are, does he have a no trade or limited no trade contract, and what would we have to give up to get him?

Keep in mind the 2nd year of that expensive deal coincides with the 1st year of Yak's next contract.

As well, MacT is not going to get all of the pieces required by next season. He's going to be looking for more pieces in 2015-2016.

I agree you can't have blinders on looking for perfection but Campbell's cap hit could be a serious hindrance to adding other required players give he's not the ideal D the Oilers need.

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#188 toprightcorner
January 31 2014, 02:55PM
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Joe Mamma wrote:

Where did the Oilers finish in the standings with Fistric in the lineup? What were Fistric's stats last year (Points, +/-, Corsi, Fenwick, etc.)? He was an inneffective 6-7 defensemen or worse, and other than a couple of memorable hits, did little or nothing to improve this team. In fact his penchant for selfish play hurt them more than helped most nights. I'm not arguing the Oilers don't need toughness and grit on the back end, this is why I'm very happy with this trade. I am arguing that Fistric at 2mil per is frikken lunacy, and the right move was made. Anyone arguing otherwise has a man crush, should put down the crack pipe when it gets hot, or has the last name Fistric.

It's mighty open-minded of you to believe that everyone who disagrees with you is on crack! Insecure much?

So you want to know where the Oilers finished in the standings with Fistric in the line-up.......um....same place the did with Hall, Ebs and Nuge in the lineup. great point! So where in the standings is Anaheim with Fistric in the line up?

How about you look at the actual stats before you berate a players ability with them here are Fistrics stats for last year you used.

+/- - second on the team at +6

Corsi - best of the defensemen

hits - highest hits per game on team

Those stats that you brought up completely contradict your point, good job.

Fistric may not have had any offensive upside but it would be safe to assume that the grit, size and physical play he brought as a 6/7 guy would have helped considerably over softies like Grebs and Potter.

I didn't understand why MacT didn't resign Fistric but if he wanted $2 mill I get it. Too bad he didn't replace that role on the team earlier but now he sees the hole and is trying to fix it 4 months later. If Fraser can be a Fistric type player, he will help the team a lot who sorely miss that type of player on the back end.

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#189 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 03:25PM
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me wrote:

No way...was I that obvious?...whats really funny is that guys take their posting and "discussions" on here serious and even the most obvious troll still elicits a response cause they think this is a place that should be taken seriously.

Are you serious?

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#190 wergy
January 31 2014, 03:51PM
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me wrote:

Who really cares what you think? Who are you? Nobody.

That seems a little mean. Why would he say that? I don't get that at all.

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#191 Bucknuck
January 31 2014, 04:52PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Obscure Reference Alert

You know Bucknuck, as strange as this sounds...what you're pointing to is a big part of the dynamic that occurred in Nazi Germany...where good people were scared or worried about speaking out and some good people were drawn into the rabid dog fever of the mob mentality. Obviously not an appropriate analogy for what happened here, as such a comparison is silly, but in a small way the parallels do actually exist.

Edit: and I didn't get your name wrong...it was an autocorrect....Apple thinks you should be Bucknut

One could make a case that Apple is right! :-)

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#192 Zarny
January 31 2014, 06:27PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Is the risk that bothers you the risk of the overspend bringing us up against the cap and thereby limiting our future options? Or, the risk of the player himself?

It's the risk of being tight against the cap and knowing you will need to add more players.

The Oilers are not Brian Campbell + a G away from being Cup contenders. They will need to add additional players. I want nothing to do with overpaying Brian Campbell $2-3M preventing a necessary move.

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#193 michael
January 31 2014, 06:44PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

"Joe Mamma" and "me": I've deleted most of the comments in the back-and-forth internet purse fight you've been treating everybody to.

Post any more of it and an IP ban is next.

Thankyou

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#194 michael
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The Ryan Callahan trade rumors are interesting especially if they involve the Leafs. Kadri's name is out there. The Leafs would need to dump more salary though. Wonder if we could pry a player like Franson out of the Leaf. That buyout now has a lot more value to the Oilers now than it did back in July. Could bring us a meaningful player.Hopefully the fallout if it happens favors the Oilers.

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#195 "Frank the dog"
January 31 2014, 08:47PM
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With his history of a fractured skull and a knee injury followed by declining stats, I suspect that Fraser may be Whitney'd.

No harm, no foul, he may get over his injuries, and if not, we are no worse off on the ice.

Another solid, if minor, trade by MacT.

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#196 @Oilanderp
January 31 2014, 10:49PM
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All I can say is, everyone here needs to get a fkn job. 6 pages of comments on a tweener addition?

Crazy fools, get jobs!

Insanity! Let it go! Goose Fra Baaaaa!

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#197 oilabroad
January 31 2014, 09:43AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Okay, let's rein it in with the Mark Fistric love here. He wanted $2 million a year in Edmonton; the Oilers reportedly offered him a three-year/$4.5 million deal and he wouldn't take it.

Anaheim then signed him on the cheap for a year, and recently re-signed him to a deal for less money than the one Edmonton offered.

I simply can't get angry at the Oilers for refusing to pay Fistric $2 million a year. He added a nice element and I always had time for the player, but that's way too much money for the six/seven man on the depth chart.

JW I didn't think they were that far apart at the time... still pissed off, not sure why

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#198 JeffG
January 31 2014, 10:26AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Not buying out Hemsky? You're kidding, right?

Unfortunately not.

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#199 YEGFan
January 31 2014, 10:47AM
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Stack Pad Save wrote:

Yah, but they all play like they are 5'2 most of the time. Belov occassionaly throws a hit, but never in front of his own net where it matters the most. Marincin is a bean pole still, the Schultz's are the defense sisters and Petry plays physical only when he knows no one on the other team will push back. The Oilers need a guy in the top 2 who is going to play physical.

The most important part of your message is right here: "Belov occassionaly throws a hit, but never in front of his own net where it matters the most."

Not all hits are created equal. Physical play has an obvious role in hockey, but it is a means to an end, not important in and of itself.

If Mark Fraser skates around punching and hitting people while getting lit up with goals and shots all day (which seems likely given his accomplishments so far), he will not help the Oilers.

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#200 YEGFan
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Rocknrolla wrote:

I agree, not having a tough d-man on the ice has hurt us. The nice thing about tough D is that they are on the ice while the kids are out there.

How often is Gazdic out with Hall or Yak?

I remember saying when we had Andy Sutton that it was nice to have him there with the kids, and since losing him and Fistric, there was no real toughness on the D. Petry or Belov are not gonna go protect our kids. This guy will.

Me likey.

No, he won't. "Protection" is a myth. No tough guy on any other team is scared of other tough guys. They all skate around "doing their jobs" by not being afraid of anyone else. They do not get intimidated by each other and they are all more than happy to lay a big hit on a star if they think they can get away with it and avoid a huge suspension and loss of income. Fortunately, they don't go out on the ice with the stars frequently because they get lit up so badly that the possible benefit of hitting a star is out weighed by number of goals it costs the team.

Putting assets and energy into acquiring tough or gritty players who aren't skilled is what is hurting this team most. The team is at the bottom of the league, get it through your head, no amount of tinkering with the 4th line or the bottom defense pairing is going to have any meaningful effect on this team's position in the standings.

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