Oilers acquire Mark Fraser from Toronto

Jonathan Willis
January 31 2014 09:06AM

TSN's Darren Dreger reports that the Oilers have added some size to their blue line, adding Mark Fraser from Toronto.

What The Oilers Sent Away

The players going the other way in the deal were both outside of the organization's plans, so the cost on this isn't especially dear.

Teemu Hartikainen is having a pretty good season in Russia and has to be the guy the Leafs were interested in on this deal. He's a big winger with some skill who couldn't do much in 23 NHL games last season with the Oilers; he wasn't interested in staying in the organization on a two-way deal and so he went off to Russia. I've been told down the line that this isn't a player that Edmonton really had plans for, but that doesn't mean he might not break out with the Leafs. 

Cameron Abney, the other guy in the trade, has negative value; he's an ECHL enforcer taking up a spot on Edmonton's 50-man list. In the Oilers' organization he was passed as a player by Erick Lizon (currently with the CHL's Wichita Thunder). 

What the Oilers Added

Everybody hoping Edmonton would add a big, physical defenceman for the third pair got their wish today.

Fraser is listed at 6'4", 220 pounds. He has had three fights in the NHL this season; last year he had nine fights in the majors and eight in the AHL. He's a stay-at-home defenceman who plays a throwback style; the new Theo Peckham on Edmonton's blue line. 

As for what he is as a player? Theo Peckham isn't far-off as a comparison there, either. Fraser has struggled badly this year, with regular partners Paul Ranger and Morgan Rielly both faring better without him than with him. Of interest, though, is the way he and Cody Franson played together last season, and the way his regular partners in New Jersey (primarily Andy Greene and Johnny Oduya) played with and without him. He has had a measure of success in the NHL before, even if he isn't enjoying that this season.

For the time being the pending unrestricted free agent can provide the Oilers with physical play in the six/seven slot and provide the Oilers with a warm body if they choose to move other free agents like Anton Belov or Nick Schultz or Corey Potterat the deadline. He has familiarity with Dallas Eakins from time spent with the Marlies, so he should slot in to the Oilers system with relative ease, and his skillset is a nice fit alongside any of Potter, Philip Larsen or Taylor Fedun on that bottom pair.

This is a small trade, but it adds a dimension the Oilers were lacking at the cost of players the team didn't really care about anyway. The player with the most potential to be an NHL difference-maker went to Toronto, but Hartikainen wasn't going to be that guy in Edmonton and the trade market for 'tweeners who want one-way deals isn't as robust as it could be. 

Update - via @Steve_Dangle of Leafs Nation comes this Hockey Night in Canada segment on Fraser:

Additionally, Jeff Veillette - who covered Fraser in person when Fraser played for the AHL's Toronto Marlies - wrote a piece on the trade for Leafs Nation.

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#201 Taylor Gang
January 31 2014, 12:03PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

If you think this team can't use Brian Campbell, you need to get your head checked.

Seriously. He'd be the best blueliner on the team by a mile and the only legitimate top-two defenceman on a team loaded to the gills with Nos. 4-6.

I get why people go '6'3"! ZOMG!' but at some point hockey-playing ability matters. I personally think that point is when a team without a legitimate top-two rearguard adds one, but hey maybe it's me who is crazy.

Look, I get that Campbell is a good defenseman, maybe even a top pairing defenseman, but he is massively overpaid and you know it. Why hinder our ability to add better bang for your buck players down the road with a player that has maybe 2-3 good years left in him? We should certainly look for top 4 defensemen, but our top 2 for the future is Nurse.

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#202 Noooo!!!
January 31 2014, 12:23PM
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michael wrote:

Hemsky's 5 million looks great next season off the books. Add Eager,N.Shultz(3.75),Smyth at 2.25(I think he is resigned at 1.5).Grebby,Belov,Potter,Larsen(1.1)and whole whack of other guys.We'll save on the goaltending.DD was 3.75. think you can sign Scrivens and one other goalie for a lot less than that.I see Gagner being shown his hat at the draft.There goes 4+million.

My point is that cap space even with having to sign RFA's will be plentiful.Hemsky's return if its a 3rd is fine by me.Its better than nothing.

Eakins quote "Fraser adds a growl back there"

I sure hope you are very, very wrong about Smyth being resigned at ANY cost.Please,please tell me you are going to be wrong.

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#203 A-Mc
January 31 2014, 01:22PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Whether buying out hemsky would have helped is unknowable. Having lots of room early in the season could have gotten the oil a good piece from the flyers early in the season when they were really struggling, but who knows? It's impossible to prove either way. It's whether the strategy is sound that is the question. I think it is.

If it is unknown how it would have affected the team by buying out Hemsky, then by that same logic you can't possibly conclude that it was a bad move to NOT buy him out; so please drop it.

You've said your piece. We've all read it in many of your posts prior to the ones in this article. There is no reason to continually repeat yourself.

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#204 2004Z06
January 31 2014, 01:25PM
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Spydyr wrote:

At first I did not like the team picking up Hendricks .Due to his contract and age. Now having watched him play here I stand corrected.He brings a positive energy on the ice,bench and although we cannot see I'm guessing the dressing room too.Along with his work effort and take no crap attitude Mac-T appears to have made a good move here.

He has addressed a need on the team and filled it.Let us hope he can do the same with some bigger needs at the deadline and this summer.

I knew you would come around. Ha ha. As for his contract, I am fine with it. Currently, 900k to 2 mil is the going rate for a 3/4th liner. In 2 years, his cap hit will be the league minimum.

It really isn't and won't be an issue. Any player that injects a little grit and energy into the team is worth a bit of extra cash in my books. The Oilers have all played like they are 3 inches taller lately. I don't think it is merely a coincidence.

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#205 DisappointedFan
January 31 2014, 02:24PM
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@Zarny

Your opinion and that's fine.

They were also 10 points back from a playoff spot, it was a close year last year. They had a rough patch at the end where they played highly competitive playoff teams and lost out, they were still looking like a team that could be promising this year, hence why everyone thought for a possible playoff push.

Am I stupid enough to think what was the plan? Losing? Well they certainly didn't think they'd be competitive with a no-experience defensive team, or a small top six, if that's what you're going for. (Poor way to debate someone I may add, calling them stupid. Proves little more than you have no argument besides cheap shot attempts)

You really think Gagner has been the decision maker in any game this year? He was the decision maker in his 8 point night, he hasn't done anything special any year he's played here. Don't kid yourself. Having Nuge down was a huge blow, which set the team back a few games, but the other 50 games where they have lost the majority of everything doesn't really say a lot to your side of this point.

They may have come out better had they had their top 2C to start and it could have carried them slightly stronger than without. But as it stands they didn't have them, came out flat, and have stayed there because they lost confidence in their goalie then defense and now coaching staff. Hence, a regression in their rebuild.

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#206 Joy S. Lee
January 31 2014, 02:31PM
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rickithebear wrote:

JW: Fraser is a box protection Dman. The league average success rate of shots: 0-10 ft 17-18% are goals 10-20 ft 23-24% are goals 20-30 ft 8-9% >30 ft 3-4% Box dmen protect 20 ft in. 20-30 ft is a shared responsibility D and Fwds > 30 ft is about forwrds.

Strong defenceses like BOS, LA have great box protection D who limit the shots inside 20 ft to 30% or less. They have physical and lane dominate Dmen who reduce the success rate of the shots inside 20ft.(the box)

An elite Dman like Chara allows 14% or less success rate for shots inside 20 ft plus there are less than 30% shots from inside 20 ft.

Mark Fraser faces 3rd comp and shows signs of an elite box protection Dman. he gives up less than 14% success rate for shots inside 20 ft. he has an inside 20ft shot rate of 28%.

As a result in his time in NJ and 1st year in TOR he was a top 30 EVGA Dman. Yes against 3rd comp. but that gives flexibilty to the top pairs to be less elite on EVGA.

He was top 30 both years he played PK on D.

Mark Fistric and potter were the best EVGA D pair in the game.1.57EVGA/60 we tried to sign fistric to a 3 yr 1.25M contract. Anahiem got him he is a 1.9 GA/60 Dman. they extended him to a 3 year contract.

Fistric left and our 3rd pair is 3.17 Ga/60 .74g/gm versus .44g /gm last year.

.30 increase in team GA.

fraser 2 years nj and first in TOR 1.67EVGA/60; 1.65EVGA/60; 2.33 EVGA/60

we sure could use that.

That's really interesting, and something I never would have known if not for your posting.

I really appreciate new insights into the game, and this is one of them, thanks. Sure a different tune than some who call him a minor-league plug.

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#207 pkam
January 31 2014, 02:34PM
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Zarny wrote:

Keep in mind the 2nd year of that expensive deal coincides with the 1st year of Yak's next contract.

As well, MacT is not going to get all of the pieces required by next season. He's going to be looking for more pieces in 2015-2016.

I agree you can't have blinders on looking for perfection but Campbell's cap hit could be a serious hindrance to adding other required players give he's not the ideal D the Oilers need.

If the price to get him is cheap, I am not too worry about his 7.1M contract.

If Pens can afford 7.25 for Letang and Leafs can afford 7M on Phaneuf, why can't we afford 7.1M for Campbell? Worst case scenario, sign Yak to a one year bridge contract.

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#208 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 02:39PM
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@Joy S. Lee

Ricki the Bear does some amazing work digging up this kind of analytical material. I usually have to read it twice and even then I have no way of assessing how meaningful it is....but at face value Rickis stuff is fascinating....he always brings a different perspective.

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#209 DisappointedFan
January 31 2014, 03:13PM
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@Joe Mamma

Using the jokes just made on you against the guy who made the joke, such wow.

Please tell me more about how you actually read the comments in our discussion and actually made a "contribution" to it without hoping on the crack pipe joke train.

At least you sort of established one clear agreement that he's better than two bad signings made.

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#210 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 03:15PM
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me wrote:

Boy...you losers can sure drag out posts on an insignificant trade. you do crack me up though how you all think you're experts that matter to a team you will never be anything but a sucker for...get a life.

Is this what you repeat to yourself when your staring in the mirror in the morning? How's that workin for ya?

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#211 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 03:36PM
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me wrote:

Yes...I think

Does it hurt?

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#212 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 03:56PM
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me wrote:

Who really cares what you think? Who are you? Nobody.

Hey, is that you me? And by me I mean me, not me. Me cares what me thinks. Me is me. Me is not a nobody?........or is he?....uh I mean me....

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#213 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 04:17PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

Quit being mean and nasty to each other. We are all fans on the loser bus together, but that doesn't mean we all have to act like losers. Agree or disagree with the trade, and discuss the GM who made the trade, and discuss the similar players we sent packing. But drop the nasty please.

The worst part about the Oilers losing has been the way the fans are turning into a pack of rabid dogs and ripping everything Oiler, even the good stuff, and then ripping on every fan who dares to say something good about the team.

Obscure Reference Alert

You know Bucknuck, as strange as this sounds...what you're pointing to is a big part of the dynamic that occurred in Nazi Germany...where good people were scared or worried about speaking out and some good people were drawn into the rabid dog fever of the mob mentality. Obviously not an appropriate analogy for what happened here, as such a comparison is silly, but in a small way the parallels do actually exist.

Edit: and I didn't get your name wrong...it was an autocorrect....Apple thinks you should be Bucknut

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#214 Ari Gold
January 31 2014, 04:34PM
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Is this Fraser guy any good? I have a feeling he's just a bigger, dumber version of Corey Potter with no offensive upside.

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#215 Oilerz4life
January 31 2014, 04:42PM
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Joe Mamma wrote:

Pretty clear this guy is a pure troll with nothing to add except grief. Think we could get a ban here? JW?

Agreed.

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#216 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 05:04PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

How can you say he cost nothing to acquire?

A-why trade Smid?

B-why let Fistric go?

C-Why are you giving the rights to Hartikianen away for free?

This trade again makes little sense, and you gave a functioning, useful prospect away for free!

A) 3.5 Million Dollars

B). Demanded an overpay at $2 million per

C) it wasn't quite free, but for the sake of argument, free was market value.

I'm not being snide, I do get where you're coming from. I don't think it's a clear cut decision on either side of the argument, which usually indicates that it was in the neighbourhood of a fair deal.

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#217 DisappointedFan
January 31 2014, 05:04PM
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@Walter Sobchak

See my major problem with this trade is that it is taking the spot of guys who could "try-out" for next year. (Fedun/Klefbom/Gernat)Unless MacT is doing this because he doesn't want to see them and would rather they take the Barons to a "successful" playoff run.

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#218 Johnnydapunk
January 31 2014, 07:18PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

"Joe Mamma" and "me": I've deleted most of the comments in the back-and-forth internet purse fight you've been treating everybody to.

Post any more of it and an IP ban is next.

Thank you Mr Brownlee.

I admit I shouldn't have "fed the troll" but I tried to be as polite as possible when I am "attacked" albeit in a harmless way.

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#219 Josh Oiler
January 31 2014, 08:57PM
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As the NHLs #1 underground hockey insider:

I say it's all about beating up the other team. You think a 3 game win streak was a fluke???? The boys are pushing and fighting back!! Ryan Jones, Matt Hendricks, Luke GADZIC..

C'mon boys and girls... Hockey isn't rocket science. You have to have scoring but you also gotta have some grit..

We play on smaller ice surface. We have to grin gout pucks and push off other players for space!!! Arcobello ain't gonna push his way through Milan Lucic or Ryan Kesler.

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#220 Rod from Viking
January 31 2014, 09:18PM
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On a different note, great to see the Canucks lose again. I wish Mac T could have made a deal with Winnipeg before they changed coaches. I find it funny how so many so called Oiler fans can do nothing but ridicule every move made by the Oilers management, Hartikainen did not impress me at all, he knew what it would take to make the NHL team and would not do it consistently and then bolted to the KHL, "he was not willing to do what it takes and the Leaf's wont pay him what he is making now. If nothing else Fraser will defend the front of the net and his team mates for the rest of this year.

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#221 40 Double D (tier 1 wannabe)
January 31 2014, 11:34PM
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How can the Oilers hope to improve when they keep trading for former Leaf players... that franchise has been mired in mediocrity for several decades.

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#222 Naky
January 31 2014, 11:44PM
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@Manfly

Hey look, Harti's a decent player and proven all he could prove at the AHL level and he's doing well in the KHL. In his call ups with the Oilers in the NHL, he couldn't get it done. Just another player with all the tools in the box and no willingness to use them all. That doesn't mean he'll never figure it out but I think he's soured on the organization and all the losing. He's young and proud and eventually he'll figure out that other organizations are going to be wanting him to use all those tools too. That's when he'll either become a better pro or he'll be going back to europe and for good this time.

All that being said, again, if he's gone sour it's best to move him now for a player this team could use now. Is Fraser a bit of a reclaimation project at this point? It's possible, with the injuries he went through. Is it fair trade value potential vs potential? At face value, no, but Fraser has a set of skills that this team doesn't have right now and a willingness to use them whereas Harti has a set of skills that this team doesn't have right now and absolutely no willingness to use them. At least, not with the Oilers. I'd rather have a player that can play in the NHL than another prospect that might never fully make it up from OKC in return for Harti and let's face it, that's all we were going to get for a guy like him. A bottom pairing d-man, an okay prospect, or a middling draft pick.

With Edmonton's blueline, I'll take the bottom pairing dman with a skill set we don't have right now.

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#223 Chainsawz
February 01 2014, 12:09AM
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@Shaner

Yo Shaner, keep your comments less words than the actual blog.

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#224 pkam
February 01 2014, 02:51AM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

So correct me if I'm wrong here.

MacT lets Fistric walk, then re-aquires a worse version of him in exchange for the rights to Hartikainen + for 25 or so games?

This is considered ok?

Regarding Fistric, what is MacT supposed to do other than let him walk? Sign him to 3 years at 2M? This is what happen when you can't agree with the contract term with a UFA. Fistric is no different than any other UFA, like Iglina. If you are not interested in him, don't talk to him. If you are interested, you try to sign him to a contract you think is reasonable to you. If you can't sign him to a contract you think is reasonable to you, then you move on to the next one. How complicate is it?

You think Fraser is worse, obviously MacT thinks otherwise. Fraser not only will hit, he will drop the groves and stand up for his teammates. How many time did Fistric drop the gloves to protect his kids? If you have to choose between Mike Brown and Fraser, who would you rather have? Both the Oilers and the Sharks have to give a 4th rounder to get Mike Brown, do you think any team will give a 4th rounder for Fistric?

I am not sure what the right to Hartikainen will get us. What did we get for Omark? futher consideration, inw, a 6th/7th rounder. This summer MacT release Toni Rajala to Europe. I was quite upset because although Rajala is small, he, imo, is our best forward in OKC. If MacT can let Rajalo go, it is just a matter of time that we will do the same to Hartikainen. Since he is not part of our plan, therefore the roster spot has more value to MacT than his right.

I was never a fan of either player so I am totally okay with it. Perhaps you are a fan of those 2 players, or MacT hater?

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#225 Spydyr
February 01 2014, 06:13AM
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Lawndemon wrote:

You know your team is bad when a blog post about the Oilers acquiring a press box castaway from the Leafs generates 295 posts debating the merit of the addition.

What would happen here if MacT actually made a significant move?

We would be shocked into silence.

Who am I kidding, this place would be crazy. Guys would be challenging other guys to meet by the bike racks after school.

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#226 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
February 01 2014, 07:23AM
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^^Exactly.

It was the latest article yesterday, the comments were more just general Oilers chat, as they usually are.

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#227 nick
February 01 2014, 04:08PM
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What a stupid organization the Oilers are. They are now going out and getting all of Eakins Marlie players so they at least like the coach. It's ridiculous, MacTavish won't fire a bad coach so he just goes out and gets guys that talk nice about Eakins. Well done. On pace for the worst season ever 4 years into a revuild. Sickening

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#228 Shredder
January 31 2014, 10:26AM
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Bold

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#229 Sal-Sational
January 31 2014, 10:39AM
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YEGFan wrote:

Is anybody surprised that the league's worst defense isn't all that small?

im just saying our team needed a stay at home hard to play against type D-Man.. he's no Matt Greene but he'll do. We still need that #1 guy and i know people would hate the idea but we need a guy like Dion Phaneuf.

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#230 DisappointedFan
January 31 2014, 10:57AM
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@Czar

I believe the term "too little too late" comes to mind on a player who's a UFA at the end of the season...

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#231 Serious Gord
January 31 2014, 11:03AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Not buying out Hemsky? You're kidding, right?

As I have written before, there is only one buyout remaining under this cba. As the most critical cap crunch was this year, exercising the buyout this last summer would have been far more beneficial than using it this coming summer. That freed up salary and roster spot could have been used to pick up a long-term solution from a cap-strapped team (Philadelphia perhaps). Hemsky was on MacT's disposal list. Because he couldn't trade/deal him away he should have done the next best thing and bought him out.

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#232 Walter White
January 31 2014, 11:14AM
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meh... wrote:

Not earth shattering but a decent move. Replace a soft 6-7 defenceman with a meaner 6-7 defenceman. You want more size and grit, you're getting more size and grit.

You want Bobby Orr for Hemsky and a 3rd rounder you're dreaming...

The Oilers have a third rounder to trade??? I thought they have traded their round 2 to 5 picks away; I guess they don't need any more talent....

I am afraid the Fraser aquisition will put the hard earned 59 shot against record at risk.....

WW

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#233 YEGFan
January 31 2014, 12:08PM
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@wellsy

Hartikainen. Cam Abney is exactly the sort of draft pick I'm complaining about.

I know the Finn was looking pretty unexciting last year, but his performance in the KHL sounds like he has been taking major steps forward. It is still entirely possible (I am saying possible, not likely) he turns into a winger that can move up and down the line up. That is not "nothing." He could have actually been a useful player for the Oilers to have.

Mark Fraser looks like he will actually make the Oilers worse under the guise of making them tougher.

Ultimately I agree, this trade is probably inconsequential. I decided to fight this fight because so many people keep talking about toughness as if it's a valuable commodity in and of itself, when it is not.

The toughness philosophy has been the organization's MO for years. They keep getting tough players with glimmers of competence who just never pan out and cost the team goals. Everybody quickly forgets, notices that the team lacks competent tough players, and screams that they need to go out and get them. Rather than getting a player who is having success and driving possession they go out and get another tough guy who isn't. The tough guy doesn't get better and instead gets super exposed because he can't make up for the overwhelming inexperience elsewhere in the line up (mostly defense right now), and it all repeats itself.

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#234 Oil glob
January 31 2014, 12:14PM
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Moving the franchise forward? From boys on the bus cult following to I want to be part of wanker eeeeeekins boys club cult!!!

Replacing NHL players with marlies wanna be close to Eakins is not a path forward.

This guy iis a clown, just like Eakins system of methodical defense

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#235 Taylor Gang
January 31 2014, 12:15PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Darnell Nurse is at least two years away from being a top-two defenceman. The UFA market is terrible.

If they can get a guy like Campbell, they should grab him and be happy about it.

Yeah but the entire core is probably two years away from contention anyways.

I do agree that a stop gap is needed, but don't you think there are better options out there than Campbell? Players that spring to mind for me are Matt Niskanen, Trevor Daley, or even Andrew MacDonald

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#236 Taylor Gang
January 31 2014, 12:17PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

None of those guys are better than Campbell.

Especially not MacDonald.

I never said they were better than Campbell, but they're certainly an upgrade over what we have right now

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#237 YEGFan
January 31 2014, 12:20PM
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Hemmercules wrote:

I see your point. Cap space is always good. I think we might just be on the outside looking in on this one. Maybe Katz didnt want to toss 5 mil in the toilet?? Maybe they decided they might as well keep him seeing how big player moves hardly (if ever) happen before Christmas anyway and they were hoping his value would rise for the deadline so they could get a return on him. If a trade arises and cap room is needed, good GM's find ways to get the deal done and stay within the cap. I think buyout are for horrible contracts or terrible play, neither of which fit Hemsky.

I think Mact's trades have been "small ball" because blockbuster trades don't happen in the first half of the season very often.

The cap has not hindered the Oilers this season.

Right now it is Bill Belichick's "during the season" and the Oilers have plenty of cap flexibility. They are free and clear to fill all the holes caused by injury and unforeseeable circumstances... Mission accomplished!

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#238 Taylor Gang
January 31 2014, 12:23PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

So was Andrew Ference when they signed him. "Better" isn't good enough; the team needs a top-pair defencemen and the options are awful. If Campbell's available, he is one.

But he's expensive! Horrendously expensive. With the amount of holes the Oilers have in their lineup, I wouldn't feel comfortable if Mac-T invested that much money into an aging defenseman such as Campbell.

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#239 gongshow
January 31 2014, 12:48PM
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JW, Lowetide etc - Could one of you gents that is way smarter than me do a comparative analysis of Fistric, Smid and Fraser? Does Fraser add something that these these other two didn't? Does he provide the same results but at a discount? Did MacT covet Broissoit and/or Horak and figured Smid was a replaceable piece?

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#240 Taylor Gang
January 31 2014, 01:30PM
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OilClog wrote:

What is wrong with you.. Dense much

It's not anything to do with abilities with being able to absorb Campbell's contract. It's that the Oilers are paying more for the two currently then what Campbell's contract is worth. Understand. If we move the two, bring in the one. We actually will be paying less.

If Campbell is available he's definately worth looking into, there are a few other players I try to shake loose first though.. Subban, Weber, that guy Montreal traded for Gomez, Big Buff..if they can't be had, I'd grab Campbell.

I'm just saying just because it's cheaper doesn't mean it's worth it, how am I dense?

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#241 Dan 1919
January 31 2014, 01:37PM
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All this Campbell talk, what would it take to even get him?

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#242 The Real Scuba Steve
January 31 2014, 03:08PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

I agree with the notion that the Oilers need to add a top pairing Defenseman. Until they do, they will be on the outside looking in.

That said, i do like the direction MacT has been heading with his personnel moves. Perron, Hendricks, Gazdic, Fraser, Ference, and Gordon are all hard to play against.

The experiments are all on one year deals: Grebby, Belov, Scrivens and Bryzgalov. If any of them work out it's a bonus, if not they are gone.

I've been impressed.

Agreed but MacT has to make the jump for seasoned stud defensemen, I know It is an impossible acquisition for the Oilers but that is what makes a G.M. Lowe did it in 2006, MacT has to pull lighting out of his ass, or else we going to way of the Islanders and Thrashers and our owner doesn't look like he cares.

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#243 northof51
January 31 2014, 03:13PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Easy fix....pull up your panties and turn in your card.

I thought you were better than that. Guess I was wrong.

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#244 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 03:26PM
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me wrote:

Good one....you probably use mom jokes too....lol...you probably thought the mirror reply was a little better than "I know u are but what am i?"

I am rubber and you are glue.

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#245 Serious Gord
January 31 2014, 03:44PM
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Zarny wrote:

Give it up.

Not buying out Hemsky didn't impede MacT from making any trades.

The Oilers had the cap room to make a trade with a team like Phi at the beginning of the season if Phi was actually going to pull the trigger.

They had ample cap space to go sign Bryzgalov.

There was no strategic aspect to buying out Hemsky.

Some - rishaug et al say that smid was traded to make room for Bryz.

As mentioned above the bonuses issue clouds what the real free cap room the oil has is.

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#246 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 03:46PM
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me wrote:

Awww man!!!...I feel like I was set up...

Don't feel too bad....trolling the troll is kind of a hobby of mine...I get a kick out of it...kinda like you do....but in a less serious feel good kinda way.

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#247 Zarny
January 31 2014, 04:10PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Doing a quick add, it looks like you are correct Zarny. The numbers are tight.

In the last year of Campbell's contract, assuming we sign Yak to something like a two year bridge deal at $5 million a year, with our current roster minus Hemmer we will be spending approx $42 million on the forwards, $16 million on Defense, and $3 million on Goaltending. Total approx $61 million against a projected $70 mill cap.

Of course, this does not include paying for a #1 Goalie or a 1-2 Dman like Campbell

So is we add in $7 mil for Campbell and an additional $5 mil for Goaltending then subtract Gags $5 mil.....it all looks doable...we'd be in around $68 mil

But like I said, mine is a very simplistic 2 dimensional view of things.

Yeah I have only taken a cursory glance at the numbers for 2015-16 and of course we don't know what the cap will actually be.

I think it's fair to say the current roster minus Hemmer + Campbell and a #1 G isn't enough.

With Campbell's weaknesses I still see a need for a 2D that plays physical and cheats towards defense. And I see subtracting Gagner's $4.8M as a shell game since he'll have to be replaced.

Perhaps younger, economical players get those jobs done but if they don't and the Oilers are tight to the cap MacT's hands are tied.

As a player Campbell is better than we have and a good option, but I want nothing to do with that contract. Too much risk.

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#248 Alsker
January 31 2014, 04:23PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Don't bring you into this.......you is on second!

Actually, "what's" on second.

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#249 michael
January 31 2014, 04:54PM
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Anyone catch Darren Dregers tweet about tweet about The Rangers Ryan Callahan's agent being allowed to talk to another team regarding his client?

MacT in on that?

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#250 Naky
January 31 2014, 05:04PM
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Abney being included was an awfully nice gesture from the Oilers towards him. They knew they weren't going to renew him so they allowed him to get a fresh start in a new organization that didn't mind taking a flyer on him for the remainder of his ELC. This deal is essentially TH for Fraser. A player who didn't want to play for the Oilers for a player that has something to prove and has already proven it under a coach. In terms of asset management, this is a pretty good trade. It's not BOLD, but we got a potential useful part for two parts that weren't ever going to be useful.

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