Oilers acquire Mark Fraser from Toronto

Jonathan Willis
January 31 2014 09:06AM

TSN's Darren Dreger reports that the Oilers have added some size to their blue line, adding Mark Fraser from Toronto.

What The Oilers Sent Away

The players going the other way in the deal were both outside of the organization's plans, so the cost on this isn't especially dear.

Teemu Hartikainen is having a pretty good season in Russia and has to be the guy the Leafs were interested in on this deal. He's a big winger with some skill who couldn't do much in 23 NHL games last season with the Oilers; he wasn't interested in staying in the organization on a two-way deal and so he went off to Russia. I've been told down the line that this isn't a player that Edmonton really had plans for, but that doesn't mean he might not break out with the Leafs. 

Cameron Abney, the other guy in the trade, has negative value; he's an ECHL enforcer taking up a spot on Edmonton's 50-man list. In the Oilers' organization he was passed as a player by Erick Lizon (currently with the CHL's Wichita Thunder). 

What the Oilers Added

Everybody hoping Edmonton would add a big, physical defenceman for the third pair got their wish today.

Fraser is listed at 6'4", 220 pounds. He has had three fights in the NHL this season; last year he had nine fights in the majors and eight in the AHL. He's a stay-at-home defenceman who plays a throwback style; the new Theo Peckham on Edmonton's blue line. 

As for what he is as a player? Theo Peckham isn't far-off as a comparison there, either. Fraser has struggled badly this year, with regular partners Paul Ranger and Morgan Rielly both faring better without him than with him. Of interest, though, is the way he and Cody Franson played together last season, and the way his regular partners in New Jersey (primarily Andy Greene and Johnny Oduya) played with and without him. He has had a measure of success in the NHL before, even if he isn't enjoying that this season.

For the time being the pending unrestricted free agent can provide the Oilers with physical play in the six/seven slot and provide the Oilers with a warm body if they choose to move other free agents like Anton Belov or Nick Schultz or Corey Potterat the deadline. He has familiarity with Dallas Eakins from time spent with the Marlies, so he should slot in to the Oilers system with relative ease, and his skillset is a nice fit alongside any of Potter, Philip Larsen or Taylor Fedun on that bottom pair.

This is a small trade, but it adds a dimension the Oilers were lacking at the cost of players the team didn't really care about anyway. The player with the most potential to be an NHL difference-maker went to Toronto, but Hartikainen wasn't going to be that guy in Edmonton and the trade market for 'tweeners who want one-way deals isn't as robust as it could be. 

Update - via @Steve_Dangle of Leafs Nation comes this Hockey Night in Canada segment on Fraser:

Additionally, Jeff Veillette - who covered Fraser in person when Fraser played for the AHL's Toronto Marlies - wrote a piece on the trade for Leafs Nation.

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#51 DisappointedFan
January 31 2014, 01:59PM
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Joe Mamma wrote:

Where did the Oilers finish in the standings with Fistric in the lineup? What were Fistric's stats last year (Points, +/-, Corsi, Fenwick, etc.)? He was an inneffective 6-7 defensemen or worse, and other than a couple of memorable hits, did little or nothing to improve this team. In fact his penchant for selfish play hurt them more than helped most nights. I'm not arguing the Oilers don't need toughness and grit on the back end, this is why I'm very happy with this trade. I am arguing that Fistric at 2mil per is frikken lunacy, and the right move was made. Anyone arguing otherwise has a man crush, should put down the crack pipe when it gets hot, or has the last name Fistric.

Sorry, but when someone references Corsi or Fenwick, you lose credibility in your argument entirely. Those are poor representatives of a players performance, and hardly tell how a guy is playing especially defensemen (who on Edmonton never look good in Corsi). But since we're on the topic, he had a +6 rating in Edmonton and +8 rating in Anaheim. Since we're looking at "helping the team" he had 6 assists and was +6 for the Oilers while Nick Schultz was -13 and had 1g 8a. So if you want to go by your "effectiveness" rating scale, Mark Fistric looks a lot better than Nick Schultz does.

Sorry but your feelings towards his "selfish play" can be said about most players, let's look at all the times Justin Schultz pinches or moves up to the slot for a shot putting himself far out of position blows it and the other team goes down and scores or gets a break away, he does it every game. Or Jeff Petrys soft play on the puck EVERY game where he gives it away in our own zone, or because he doesn't stand in position or cover guys in front of his net. Or we could talk about Potter deflecting every shot into our own net. Or we could talk about how a rookie prospect is the best looking defender on the team who wasn't even supposed to play on the Oilers this year.

Reducing your argument to petty attempts at telling me to "put down the crack pipe" or "man crush" prove just how little strengthen your argument is.

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#52 Walter Sobchak
January 31 2014, 04:52PM
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pkam wrote:

He does 2 things at least. He hits anything that is moving, like Fistric. And he drops the gloves better than Smid. And he only costs 1.2M. And he costs us nothing to acquire.

How can you say he cost nothing to acquire?

A-why trade Smid?

B-why let Fistric go?

C-Why are you giving the rights to Hartikianen away for free?

This trade again makes little sense, and you gave a functioning, useful prospect away for free!

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#54 Spydyr
January 31 2014, 09:50AM
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I like that they are adding toughness finally.I don't like they added another 5-6 defencman they already have six of them.

Some toughness with skill in the top six sure would be nice.

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#55 Zarny
January 31 2014, 10:44AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

We now go from FOKs being the overarching and only narrative to adding a new acronym FOE.

Being a friend of Eakins seems to be handy on ones CV.

Why don't they just fire the scouting staff. They seem to have little usefulness if connections/friendship with management trumps merit.

Good grief, get a grip.

You're the poster child for fans who have completely wet their pants this year.

Fraser played a whopping 50 games over 2 seasons with the Marlies. He and Eakins are no doubt BFF's.

Or more likely, the Oilers went after a player people in their organization have worked with in person.

Which pretty much every team in the entire NHL does.

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#56 Walter Sobchak
January 31 2014, 04:59PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Hey Wes, how you doing?

Consensus in most circles is that it's better than ok.

The argument goes something like this:

Fistric demanded an overpay $2 mill per to stay in Edmonton.

Fistric while physical was hesitant to drop the gloves.

Harti and Abney were never going to be part of the equation here.

We moved one unwanted contract. (Abney) and the "rights" to a guy who got cut from team Finland.

We get a physical stay at home 6-7 Dman who is ready willing and able to mix it up in more ways than one.

We get him for less money than we were paying Fistric.

Eakins knows what he's getting.

I'm probably leaving something out but that's the gist of it.

Oh yeah....he's 6'4" 220

Nothing ventured, nothing gained, as they say.

I'm good!

Just confused as to why people think it's ok to give away a prospect like Hartikianen for a knuckle dragger for 25 games worth of nothing!

Cause for one thing, if Fraser is getting time over a player like Klefbom then, ya I got a problem with that.

Trading an asset for a rental player is strange, even worse when you consider the Oilers owned his rights.

Who cares about Fistric, I don't, but letting Smid go for nothing then acquiring a worse defensemen in the spot Smid could have played is beyond weird.

This trade does nothing moving forward, so why make it?

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#57 Rick Stroppel
January 31 2014, 09:26PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

And while we're at it: if anything, the fact that the Oilers could add a cheaper Fraser for basically nothing graphically demonstrates how silly they would have been to give Fistric $2 million/year.

CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS

On January 21 Lowetide posted an article here which included an elaborate stats -based argument that the Oilers should bring back Hartikainen next year.

Today Mr. Willis says that the Oilers got Mark Fraser for "basically nothing" which means that Hartikainen is "basically nothing".

One of you guys must be dead wrong.

Or maybe those complicated stats can be used to build up or tear down virtually any player.

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#59 DisappointedFan
January 31 2014, 11:42AM
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@Zarny

So now he's playing on the Ducks, is 2nd on their team in hits and has played 28 games..you're telling me that wouldn't be something you'd pay for. He has 128 hits at 2nd on his team 40 hits above the next best player, and he'd be 1 hit behind Jeff Petry (team leader)...you'd be stupid not to pay somehow who goes and crushes people all day. We have more than enough non-offensive, non-defensive defensemen, they could have used one who could at least lay the body.

Mark Fraser has 66 hits in 19 games, hardly comparable. They overpaid Gagner, Horcoff, Hemsky, and on and on...overpaying a player who actually does his job is a huge plus. You get Matt Hendricks who is being paid because he's an energy player on the Oilers. I like it. He does his job and it's working for them.

Going from 29th to 24th = progression. Going from 24th to 29th = regression.

Moving up (progression) is a positive thing, so they are in the basement, they're atleast walking to the door. Moving down (regression) is a negative and shows that they like hiding in the dark and getting kicked around by their abusive older brothers (the rest of the league).

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#60 northof51
January 31 2014, 03:13PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Easy fix....pull up your panties and turn in your card.

I thought you were better than that. Guess I was wrong.

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#61 freelancer
January 31 2014, 09:25AM
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Nothing special, nothing awful. Like the addition of size but also terrified that MacT is going to sit back and say "well we've successfully changed our blueline."

Find it intriguing that he is a UFA after this season. First Scrivens, now this. Seems like these are players they've had their eye on, and are signing them now to avoid the bidding war come free agency. Could prove to be brilliant or a disaster depending if they re-sign.

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#62 papler
January 31 2014, 09:25AM
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Good point about Fistric. It's almost as MacT read the news about Fistric's new contract and then thought "damn, I want one of those too". Enter Mark Fraser.

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#63 Taylor Gang
January 31 2014, 09:55AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Signing gagner.

Not buying out hemsky.

Not getting a better goalie than dubnyk.

And probably ten others if I cared to take the time...

MacT has made far more mistakes than has made positive moves.

And it shows in the teams standings.

He agressively pursued Bernier and Schneider, so it's not like he didn't try.

Buying out Hemmer for one season would have been a waste IMO, might as well save it for if we truly need it.

I'd say the Gordon signing was great, the Perron trade was a slam dunk, the Scrivens trade looks okay for now and the Ference deal was neutral.

I don't think it's fair to blame all of our problems on Mac-T.

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#64 2004Z06
January 31 2014, 09:57AM
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People were upset when Smid was traded. Well we just replaced him with someone bigger, tougher, meaner and cheaper.

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#65 Sal-Sational
January 31 2014, 10:05AM
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Im ok with the deal.Our Back End is Kind of looking Big and strong and tough to play against. J.Schultz (6'2) - N.Schultz (6'1) / A.Ference (5'11); Petry (6'3) - Marinčin (6'4); now Belov (6'4) - Fraser (6'4)

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#66 Kenta
January 31 2014, 10:12AM
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I guess the Oilers don't need Giordano now. LOL.

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#67 DisappointedFan
January 31 2014, 11:10AM
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Zarny wrote:

Sorry but having Fistric from game one would not have been miles better.

They had him last year and finished 24th.

For $2 million per year the only answer you give Mark Fistric is "get lost".

We can't argue on the play of someone who wasn't here...but I think we have all agreed they had no physicality and got out muscled in many games that they may have stood a chance in. If he were there over an empty jersey in Potter (who deflects every shot in his own goal) or Belov (who lets guys easily skate in for a breakaway on his goalie) Nick Schultz (I don't know if he actually provides anything besides being somewhat in position and blocking shots) I think we would see a slightly higher standing.

24th looks a lot nicer than 29th or 30th...shows progression...not regression.

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#68 Randaman
January 31 2014, 12:26PM
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JimW wrote:

Apparently the Oilers like to make moves in pairs, so who is next? Nultz, Larsen, Potter, Jones, Gagner, or Hemsky?

All of the above and with Gagme the sooner the better

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#69 DisappointedFan
January 31 2014, 02:28PM
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@Zarny

They also state that those are loose numbers they use for reference but hardly tell the story. Are you the same person preaching Hall is on the down slide? Just laughable. Corsi and Fenwick on defense are terrible measures of performance and fairly bad estimates on forwards. Plain and simple.

Another cheap shot attempt at saying I'm dumb, good to know you can find the facts and numbers to back up your claims at "hockey analytics".

I believe your entire comment is a "beautifully" written example of irony to the nth degree. Congratulations.

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#70 Robin Brownlee
January 31 2014, 05:35PM
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"Joe Mamma" and "me": I've deleted most of the comments in the back-and-forth internet purse fight you've been treating everybody to.

Post any more of it and an IP ban is next.

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#71 Robert Fraser
January 31 2014, 09:13AM
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@Stack Pad Save

Potter for sure. His injuries are starting to pile up and we need a defenseman who can remain healthy and dependable. I see Potter being expendable.

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#72 Zarny
January 31 2014, 11:07AM
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gcw_rocks wrote:

What a joke. Yes, this is exactly what the team needs - more bottom pairing defencemen. Because Belov, Grebs, Larsen, Schultz Sr., Schultz Jr., Fedun and Klefbom aren't enough.

If I am Fedun, I am thinking "WTF?" I doubt we see Fedun in Edmonton for any material amount of time after this trade, if at all.

Actually if you're Fedun, you're thinking "great maybe Fraser will be able to knock ginormous centers like Getzlaf and Thornton off the puck...because I certainly can't do it."

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#73 Rama Lama
January 31 2014, 11:52AM
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Great news, I was expecting a Brian Campbell trade.......yea like we need another small, non-physical defenceman.

This may not be bold, but it is courageous.

Go Mac T!

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#74 toprightcorner
January 31 2014, 06:24PM
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Spydyr wrote:

They also freed up another roster spot and by the looks of things J.J. took Harti's job anyhow.

J.J. looks better to me .

Unfortunately "looks better" and "good" are two different things. To me, JJ is a clinger who can use his size but offerers little else and is a 7 minute 4th liner until someone is brought in to do that job better.

To take a big step forward, existing bottom 6 players need to be pushed down a notch and replaced with better players for those positions. Imagine if Jones, Gordon and Hendricks were our 4th line and our 3rd line was made up of players better than them? That would be a huge improvement.

Instead, we continue to bring in guys who are put in positions greater than they have played before. JJ was an good AHLer/4th liner and was brought in for the 3rd line. On good teams, Ferenence is 5/6 dman but playing top pairing minutes, Hendricks is a 4th liner but playing 3rd line, Jones is a 4th liner playing on the 3rd line, Petry is a 3/4 guy playing the #1 role, Acton is a career AHLer brought in for 4th line.

Most of our players would be playing at a step or 2 lower on a good team.

The Oilers have done that since the last cup run and that is why they have not improved. Here is a list of players that were put in a position 1 step higher than they were capable of or would have played on a good team: Pisani, Neilsen, Cogliano, Horcoff, Belanger, Eager, N Schultz, Petrell, Whitney, Reddox, Brule, Jacques, Penner, O'Sullivan, Putolny, Comerie, Pouliot, Cole, Kotalik and Foster.

That is why the Oilers have not improved. MacT needs to push many existing players down a notch and replace them with ones that are better in that position to improve the team.

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#75 Kurri In A Hurri
January 31 2014, 09:22AM
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Hey Jonathan,

How does Fraser compare to Fistric? Is he a better skater?

The deal was definitely necessary and MacT did a good job not giving up much, but it seems like this is making up for not signing Fistric last year.

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#76 oilabroad
January 31 2014, 09:56AM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

This trade just makes you wonder: why?

Playoffs are out of reach, he's a UFA who probably won't re-sign, and it maybe marginally improves our defense. What happened to no more quick fixes?

I think they are shipping out some bodies soon and he doesn't want to bring up a young one to fill the space... probably the right thing to do

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#77 DisappointedFan
January 31 2014, 10:41AM
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@Serious Gord

He made some good, he made some bad, he plugged some holes, and he left some open.

This ship is at the bottom of the Pacific and he's trying to send a dive team down to try and salvage the remains.

If he can at least take a few lessons from this first maiden voyage it should be that you don't go sailing through the open waters without the proper people in place to keep your boat above the water.

And always bring Scrivens to a Sharknado.

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#78 Zarny
January 31 2014, 10:53AM
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Good trade.

Certainly not a bold move, but Hartikainen wasn't in the long term plans and MacT gets rid of Abney's contract.

Fraser is a big body D who has played well in TO at times. The Oilers get 26 games to see how he looks and if he's part of the solution.

If he is...great. If he's not...oh well...we didn't really give up anything to see. Zero risk.

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#79 Taylor Gang
January 31 2014, 12:03PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

If you think this team can't use Brian Campbell, you need to get your head checked.

Seriously. He'd be the best blueliner on the team by a mile and the only legitimate top-two defenceman on a team loaded to the gills with Nos. 4-6.

I get why people go '6'3"! ZOMG!' but at some point hockey-playing ability matters. I personally think that point is when a team without a legitimate top-two rearguard adds one, but hey maybe it's me who is crazy.

Look, I get that Campbell is a good defenseman, maybe even a top pairing defenseman, but he is massively overpaid and you know it. Why hinder our ability to add better bang for your buck players down the road with a player that has maybe 2-3 good years left in him? We should certainly look for top 4 defensemen, but our top 2 for the future is Nurse.

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#80 Taylor Gang
January 31 2014, 12:15PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Darnell Nurse is at least two years away from being a top-two defenceman. The UFA market is terrible.

If they can get a guy like Campbell, they should grab him and be happy about it.

Yeah but the entire core is probably two years away from contention anyways.

I do agree that a stop gap is needed, but don't you think there are better options out there than Campbell? Players that spring to mind for me are Matt Niskanen, Trevor Daley, or even Andrew MacDonald

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#81 michael
January 31 2014, 12:37PM
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Noooo!!! wrote:

I sure hope you are very, very wrong about Smyth being resigned at ANY cost.Please,please tell me you are going to be wrong.

I really don't think I am wrong.I think Smyth has accepted his role on this team. A fourth line guy who gets PP time.

Last year and earlier this season Smyth was playing out of place. He initially was playing with Hall at center along with Hemsky. What a disaster.

You look at effective Smyth has been on the 4th line and you can see why I am saying he'll be back.His ice time is way down. He gets some Pp time. He along with Gazdic and JJ have been effective.

He is a bridge for the younger players to current management. His work ethic is a good example to them also.I really think his role currently on the 4th line is exactly what it should be.

MacT signs him but for less cash.

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#82 Will
January 31 2014, 01:27PM
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It always makes me laugh how crazy people get for these small signings.

I remember people going crazy for giving up a second round pick for Fistric, now they're going crazy for giving up...?

As for this Campbell business, Willis do you think overpaying in free agency - which is really just the nature of free agency and not so much the player or management's fault - is the way to get a top 2 guy, or do you think there's a trade out there to get one of those guys. I have been enjoying the hard target articles for this very subject matter.

Do you think there is any hope in hell that if Callahan hits free agency we could get him, and if so would that make one of our RW expendable to trade for a top 2 guy? Say perhaps a certain Ketih Yandle?

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#83 oilersd
January 31 2014, 01:37PM
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@gcw_rocks

"I doubt we see Fedun on Edmonton..."

Who cares?

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#84 Serious Gord
January 31 2014, 01:50PM
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Lochenzo wrote:

And then what, sign David Clarkson to an $8 million dollar contract for 7 years, and then wish we still had a compliance buyout to get rid of him this summer.

Val Filppula you could make the argument for signing. But Val had a limited resume in terms of being a high level player, so the signing wasn't without risk.

I have never said anything about clarkson.

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#85 DisappointedFan
January 31 2014, 02:24PM
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@Zarny

Your opinion and that's fine.

They were also 10 points back from a playoff spot, it was a close year last year. They had a rough patch at the end where they played highly competitive playoff teams and lost out, they were still looking like a team that could be promising this year, hence why everyone thought for a possible playoff push.

Am I stupid enough to think what was the plan? Losing? Well they certainly didn't think they'd be competitive with a no-experience defensive team, or a small top six, if that's what you're going for. (Poor way to debate someone I may add, calling them stupid. Proves little more than you have no argument besides cheap shot attempts)

You really think Gagner has been the decision maker in any game this year? He was the decision maker in his 8 point night, he hasn't done anything special any year he's played here. Don't kid yourself. Having Nuge down was a huge blow, which set the team back a few games, but the other 50 games where they have lost the majority of everything doesn't really say a lot to your side of this point.

They may have come out better had they had their top 2C to start and it could have carried them slightly stronger than without. But as it stands they didn't have them, came out flat, and have stayed there because they lost confidence in their goalie then defense and now coaching staff. Hence, a regression in their rebuild.

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#86 Wonger
January 31 2014, 03:14PM
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Oiler fans are going to love FRASER.....Fraser, Hendricks..... Thank You MACT....thank you...thank you.....thank you!!!!!!!EXACTLY WHAT THIS TEAM NEEDS!!!!!Thank You!!!!! Keep going....Simmonds????, etc...

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#87 Walter Sobchak
January 31 2014, 05:08PM
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@Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

Not to point something obvious out as well, but Hartiakinen is 22 years old having a terrific season in the KHL playing a tone of minutes.

Should we completely give up on all 22 year old prospects by the logic "he was never going to part of the equation here" or is it not incumbent on this organization to see development through?

Cause I can give you a list as long as your arm about the "doesn't fit the equation" here of players the Oilers washed away with that same logic.

Not trying to be a prick here, but is this not a huge issue with this org?

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#88 @Oilanderp
January 31 2014, 10:49PM
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All I can say is, everyone here needs to get a fkn job. 6 pages of comments on a tweener addition?

Crazy fools, get jobs!

Insanity! Let it go! Goose Fra Baaaaa!

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#89 Hemmercules
February 01 2014, 06:48AM
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MessyEH wrote:

300 posts over a nothing trade?

All the trolls here assume all the talk is about the trade. It' only has so many posts because of the lack of articles yesterday and it happens to be at the top. A lot of the talk here has been about hemsky and mactavish. I suppose I'm just feeding trolls here so I will let myself out lol.

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#90 michael
January 31 2014, 10:00AM
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Stay at home defencemen.Read "Dose not have to cross our blueline". Required to play defence and not be a Cinderella on skates.Oilers get an ugly stepsister to ensure that the housekeeping is taken care of in their on end. I like this deal.He brings size,grit and truculence to a blueline that sorely lacks any of those qualities. We needed to get grittier and MacT has added Hendricks and now Fraser in the past 2 weeks. We needed goaltending. Voila. Scrivens.

For the haters out there who think MacT sits around doing nothing perhaps you should look at how he is shaping this team. The D corps has been so soft.When is the last time one of them stepped up and threw down the gloves? Adding Fraser gives the Oilers a guy who can mix it up and protect guys like Yakupov when Gazdic or Hendricks is not on the ice. Need a couple more of those complimentary guys.

Good trade.TH was done.Abney is a never was.

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#91 Will
January 31 2014, 10:07AM
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Hmm, I see a lot of fans on here that watch hockey, but maybe don't really follow it. By that I mean anyone on here who thinks they never should have let Mark Fistric walk clearly does not understand that a guy like that is simply not worth the money he wanted. Big checking bottom pairing stay at home defenders are a dime a dozen in this and the AHL. An Nhl team should never be paying more than 1 mill per year for a guy who doesn't contribute offensively.

Fistric aside, I liked Smid, but I don't even think he was worth the money.

Anyone saying Mac T is a bad GM after only a year in the chair is crazy. Compared to Bambi this guy has been great. His expensive moves have paid off (Perron, Gordon). Most have his low risk moves have been good (Gazdic, Belov, Scrivens, Bryz). And the ones that have been bad, well they aren't signed long term for any amount of money so who cares (Macntyre, the other russian defenseman, Larsen). If anything the only questionable one was Ferrence, and really Mac T needed to bring in something and he knew he'd have to overpay to do it.

He is doing exactly what he said he'd do, build a tougher team around our top talent. The guy maybe hasn't yet pulled of a huge block buster, but so far I think he's done way more good than bad, and in a very short amount of time.

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#92 Harry
January 31 2014, 10:28AM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

This trade just makes you wonder: why?

Playoffs are out of reach, he's a UFA who probably won't re-sign, and it maybe marginally improves our defense. What happened to no more quick fixes?

This trade ads very much needed toughness to Edms lineup. MacT is changing the leagues mentality towards playing Edm. Too many times we as fans here that nobody fears playing the Oilers and therefor are not concerned with consequences of taking runs at our top players.

Great job Mac.

Fire Lowe

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#93 Sal-Sational
January 31 2014, 10:39AM
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YEGFan wrote:

Is anybody surprised that the league's worst defense isn't all that small?

im just saying our team needed a stay at home hard to play against type D-Man.. he's no Matt Greene but he'll do. We still need that #1 guy and i know people would hate the idea but we need a guy like Dion Phaneuf.

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#94 Spydyr
January 31 2014, 10:53AM
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I never was a big Mac-T fan but now he seems to be moving the team in a direction I am fond of.

Rome was not built in a day.If Mac-T can address goaltending, a top pairing defencman and some toughness with skill in the top six the team should start moving forward.

The upcoming trade deadline and this summer will be the time to restructure the team into one not so easy to play against.

Getting the top defencman will come with a dear cost but IMO it is time to make some difficult decisions.

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#95 michael
January 31 2014, 11:01AM
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Czar wrote:

The Oilers got a D-man who's willing to drop the mitts for spare parts, what's not to like?

Oiler's get tougher and still everyone complains? Wait until he bitch slaps a Canuck or Flame! Or he steps in when someone's taking liberties with one of the kids,maybe then you might come around.

Exactly my thought. Sure I want to see Klefbom play. Or Fedun. But they are better off in OKC right now than in Edmonton. We'll see what deadwood/defencemen MacT can unload/rid himself of at the trade deadline and then make a decision as to who should be recalled.

Till then Eakins has another option that he can use in games when he needs more beef than chicken in the lineup. That you Harry Potter. Remember Philly last season and turning down Hartnell for a dance.

I do not expect J.Shultz to drop the gloves and ruin that Covergirl face. But sure as heck I expected Belov to bring more grit this year than he has shown. Marincin is still a kid. He is playing well and for what he is I am delighted with the results. N.Shultz is a disaster. Larsen is so soft. Petry. Lots of skill but he scares not one single opponent with his play.Ferenve brings a complete game and were he 3 inches taller and 30 lbs heavier he would be ideal. For what he brings though I have no qualms with his game.

I would like the Oilers to find another grit guy for their 4th line. JJ just does not bring that dimension to hs game. He brings size and skill. But grit? I don't see that as part of his game and that is why he is a tweener.

Good job MacT

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#96 Joe Mamma
January 31 2014, 11:01AM
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This is a perfect example of not being able to please all of the people all of the time. This was a solid hockey move that cost us nothing guys. We traded a failing prospect and an overated one unwilling to accept his lot in life, for a roster player that fills a need. The vortex of negativity in this town is unstoppable, and getting old. Is this the big move we need? No. But it's still a good pickup.

Sometimes I think Oiler fans could do well to remember that the only way to eat an elephant is one bite at a time. We all agree that there are a multitude of issues with this club. Well, one of them was a lack of big, rugged, stay at home type dmen in the rotation. This is a good start to addressing it.

MacT has been VERY active, most of his pickups have been solid, and I doubt he's done. I'll take that over Mr. Dithers any day. I was pretty dubious when they announced him as GM, but he is definitely winning me over.

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January 31 2014, 11:04AM
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Okay, as nice as it all sounds. Having Fistric from game one would have been miles better than having Mark Fraser at game 57. Regardless of cap hit, the Oilers took a huge standings hit by not having someone who can finish checks and play hockey. Grebeshkov, didn't work. Corey Potter, didn't work. Anton Belov, didn't work. Andrew Ference, is doing what he was brought to do but doesn't punish players with his checks.

He can tell me his cap hit was too high all you want on paper, but when he played he brought physicality that the Oilers did not have for the last 56 games.

Maybe he's paid a bit high...what else is new for the Oilers...they over pay players to carry the pucks to the ice for morning skate that do nothing else.

Sorry but having Fistric from game one would not have been miles better.

They had him last year and finished 24th.

For $2 million per year the only answer you give Mark Fistric is "get lost".

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#98 Joe Mamma
January 31 2014, 11:59AM
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So now he's playing on the Ducks, is 2nd on their team in hits and has played 28 games..you're telling me that wouldn't be something you'd pay for. He has 128 hits at 2nd on his team 40 hits above the next best player, and he'd be 1 hit behind Jeff Petry (team leader)...you'd be stupid not to pay somehow who goes and crushes people all day. We have more than enough non-offensive, non-defensive defensemen, they could have used one who could at least lay the body.

Mark Fraser has 66 hits in 19 games, hardly comparable. They overpaid Gagner, Horcoff, Hemsky, and on and on...overpaying a player who actually does his job is a huge plus. You get Matt Hendricks who is being paid because he's an energy player on the Oilers. I like it. He does his job and it's working for them.

Going from 29th to 24th = progression. Going from 24th to 29th = regression.

Moving up (progression) is a positive thing, so they are in the basement, they're atleast walking to the door. Moving down (regression) is a negative and shows that they like hiding in the dark and getting kicked around by their abusive older brothers (the rest of the league).

This a useless argument. $2mil a year for Fistric is a joke, and the Oil were right not to re-sign him. Period.

If they had agreed to that deal, for a guy who lays the body and NOTHING ELSE, we'd be burning MacT in effigy by now.

Fistric and Hendricks are not comparable situations. All Fistric does well is hit (usually at the cost of positioning). Hendricks hits, fights, takes draws, plays center or wing, kills penalties, provides leadership in the room, and wins battles at both ends of the ice. He's been a nice addition, and is worth his contract to this team. For #150K LESS than Fistric wanted.

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#100 Taylor Gang
January 31 2014, 12:17PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

None of those guys are better than Campbell.

Especially not MacDonald.

I never said they were better than Campbell, but they're certainly an upgrade over what we have right now

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