Oilers acquire Mark Fraser from Toronto

Jonathan Willis
January 31 2014 09:06AM

TSN's Darren Dreger reports that the Oilers have added some size to their blue line, adding Mark Fraser from Toronto.

What The Oilers Sent Away

The players going the other way in the deal were both outside of the organization's plans, so the cost on this isn't especially dear.

Teemu Hartikainen is having a pretty good season in Russia and has to be the guy the Leafs were interested in on this deal. He's a big winger with some skill who couldn't do much in 23 NHL games last season with the Oilers; he wasn't interested in staying in the organization on a two-way deal and so he went off to Russia. I've been told down the line that this isn't a player that Edmonton really had plans for, but that doesn't mean he might not break out with the Leafs. 

Cameron Abney, the other guy in the trade, has negative value; he's an ECHL enforcer taking up a spot on Edmonton's 50-man list. In the Oilers' organization he was passed as a player by Erick Lizon (currently with the CHL's Wichita Thunder). 

What the Oilers Added

Everybody hoping Edmonton would add a big, physical defenceman for the third pair got their wish today.

Fraser is listed at 6'4", 220 pounds. He has had three fights in the NHL this season; last year he had nine fights in the majors and eight in the AHL. He's a stay-at-home defenceman who plays a throwback style; the new Theo Peckham on Edmonton's blue line. 

As for what he is as a player? Theo Peckham isn't far-off as a comparison there, either. Fraser has struggled badly this year, with regular partners Paul Ranger and Morgan Rielly both faring better without him than with him. Of interest, though, is the way he and Cody Franson played together last season, and the way his regular partners in New Jersey (primarily Andy Greene and Johnny Oduya) played with and without him. He has had a measure of success in the NHL before, even if he isn't enjoying that this season.

For the time being the pending unrestricted free agent can provide the Oilers with physical play in the six/seven slot and provide the Oilers with a warm body if they choose to move other free agents like Anton Belov or Nick Schultz or Corey Potterat the deadline. He has familiarity with Dallas Eakins from time spent with the Marlies, so he should slot in to the Oilers system with relative ease, and his skillset is a nice fit alongside any of Potter, Philip Larsen or Taylor Fedun on that bottom pair.

This is a small trade, but it adds a dimension the Oilers were lacking at the cost of players the team didn't really care about anyway. The player with the most potential to be an NHL difference-maker went to Toronto, but Hartikainen wasn't going to be that guy in Edmonton and the trade market for 'tweeners who want one-way deals isn't as robust as it could be. 

Update - via @Steve_Dangle of Leafs Nation comes this Hockey Night in Canada segment on Fraser:

Additionally, Jeff Veillette - who covered Fraser in person when Fraser played for the AHL's Toronto Marlies - wrote a piece on the trade for Leafs Nation.

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#101 Serious Gord
January 31 2014, 01:00PM
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YEGFan wrote:

The cap has not hindered the Oilers this season.

Right now it is Bill Belichick's "during the season" and the Oilers have plenty of cap flexibility. They are free and clear to fill all the holes caused by injury and unforeseeable circumstances... Mission accomplished!

I keep getting conflicting interpretations regarding how much space the oil has.

The rookie bonus issue apparently leaves the oil with very little truly FREE cap space.

And thus MacT hasn't and isn't in line with belechiks strategy.

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#102 Serious Gord
January 31 2014, 01:03PM
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james_dean wrote:

Serious gord is an idiot.

boot this douche from this great site

Thanks for reading!!!

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#103 Serious Gord
January 31 2014, 01:14PM
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Ed in Edmonton wrote:

That is why players are bought out, i.e. they have zero value as a trade (other than a unique situation like Souray).

There is, however, an interesting point wrt to Hemsky. He might fetch more at the trading dealine that he would have last summer as his boat anchor contract is now almost done.

Nonetheles,s I don't see any good argument as to how not buying out Hemsky has hurt the Oil this year.

Whether buying out hemsky would have helped is unknowable. Having lots of room early in the season could have gotten the oil a good piece from the flyers early in the season when they were really struggling, but who knows? It's impossible to prove either way. It's whether the strategy is sound that is the question. I think it is.

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#104 Bucknuck
January 31 2014, 01:36PM
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I agree with the notion that the Oilers need to add a top pairing Defenseman. Until they do, they will be on the outside looking in.

That said, i do like the direction MacT has been heading with his personnel moves. Perron, Hendricks, Gazdic, Fraser, Ference, and Gordon are all hard to play against.

The experiments are all on one year deals: Grebby, Belov, Scrivens and Bryzgalov. If any of them work out it's a bonus, if not they are gone.

I've been impressed.

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#105 toprightcorner
January 31 2014, 02:55PM
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Joe Mamma wrote:

Where did the Oilers finish in the standings with Fistric in the lineup? What were Fistric's stats last year (Points, +/-, Corsi, Fenwick, etc.)? He was an inneffective 6-7 defensemen or worse, and other than a couple of memorable hits, did little or nothing to improve this team. In fact his penchant for selfish play hurt them more than helped most nights. I'm not arguing the Oilers don't need toughness and grit on the back end, this is why I'm very happy with this trade. I am arguing that Fistric at 2mil per is frikken lunacy, and the right move was made. Anyone arguing otherwise has a man crush, should put down the crack pipe when it gets hot, or has the last name Fistric.

It's mighty open-minded of you to believe that everyone who disagrees with you is on crack! Insecure much?

So you want to know where the Oilers finished in the standings with Fistric in the line-up.......um....same place the did with Hall, Ebs and Nuge in the lineup. great point! So where in the standings is Anaheim with Fistric in the line up?

How about you look at the actual stats before you berate a players ability with them here are Fistrics stats for last year you used.

+/- - second on the team at +6

Corsi - best of the defensemen

hits - highest hits per game on team

Those stats that you brought up completely contradict your point, good job.

Fistric may not have had any offensive upside but it would be safe to assume that the grit, size and physical play he brought as a 6/7 guy would have helped considerably over softies like Grebs and Potter.

I didn't understand why MacT didn't resign Fistric but if he wanted $2 mill I get it. Too bad he didn't replace that role on the team earlier but now he sees the hole and is trying to fix it 4 months later. If Fraser can be a Fistric type player, he will help the team a lot who sorely miss that type of player on the back end.

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#106 northof51
January 31 2014, 03:02PM
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Whoa... I was reading through the comments and had to make sure I wasn't over at TSN. I'm going to get torched for saying this, but at the moment I'm embarrassed to be a card-carrying member of Oilers Nation.

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#107 Wonger
January 31 2014, 03:18PM
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gcw_rocks wrote:

Hendricks, Gazdic, and Fraser are all hard to play against?

Three of those guys are replacement level players, two of which can barely play hockey and one who can't. The are hard to play against how? The dirty looks they give all the players who skate around them?

Ference is fast approaching the time where d-men of his type fall off a cliff, but he is under contract for 3 more years with a NMC.

I agree with Bucknuck.... keep going MACT!!!!!! FRASER is TOUGH and can go with ANYONE......!!!!!Beautiful!!!!!!Love you MACT...not like that.... as a GM!!!!!Keep bringing in these TOUGH SOBS and LEADERS!!!!!!!Wooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#108 DisappointedFan
January 31 2014, 04:59PM
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@Walter Sobchak

Same reason why they thought a Holely Goalie could be our starter, logic goes right out the window.

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#109 Johnnydapunk
January 31 2014, 07:18PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

"Joe Mamma" and "me": I've deleted most of the comments in the back-and-forth internet purse fight you've been treating everybody to.

Post any more of it and an IP ban is next.

Thank you Mr Brownlee.

I admit I shouldn't have "fed the troll" but I tried to be as polite as possible when I am "attacked" albeit in a harmless way.

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#110 spliff
January 31 2014, 07:49PM
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This season has been the most disappointing of all Oiler seasons. However, I can see MacT starting to reshape the team, one piece at a time, and I have a good feeling about it.

Biggest piece will be the first paring D-man, which hopefully he can secure this summer.Also need a gritty big second line Center, and a legit second pairing D-man.

If he can get that done before next season, I'm sure the Oil will be in the mix for a playoff spot in March. Then, he can continue to tweek the team and address weaknesses in 2015-16.

I know we are in 29th place, but I feel some hope, and not just because of a 3 game winning streak. MacT made some bad moves before the year started, but he seems to be getting a hang of it, and is starting to change the make-up of this team, and adding the nasty gritty size that we need.

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#111 Rick Stroppel
January 31 2014, 08:22PM
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ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME PLAYER?

Anybody who wants a good laugh should read the article on Leafs Nation "Leafs Trade Fraser... ". The link is in the article. The article includes a very elaborate, stats-based analysis in support of the argument that Mark Fraser is BY FAR the worst defenseman on the Leafs and implies that he is possibly the worst defenseman in the NHL. They never wanted him! Just clearing out cap space and/or a roster spot! Good riddance!

Sound familiar?

We get the same thing in Edmonton. Every time the Oilers trade FOR a player he is described as "feisty...great potential...victim of numbers game...fills an important void" etc. When the Oilers trade a player AWAY he is described as "overrated...overpaid...was never going to be a regular...easy to play against despite his size...wasn't going to sign here anyway" etc.

I heard Bob Stauffer talking about Smid the day he was traded. Basically he said he had become soft, complacent, was afraid to block shots, etc. Strange. The night before he was "bleeding Oiler blue" or something like that. Oh well, those grapes are probably sour!

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#112 "Frank the dog"
January 31 2014, 08:47PM
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With his history of a fractured skull and a knee injury followed by declining stats, I suspect that Fraser may be Whitney'd.

No harm, no foul, he may get over his injuries, and if not, we are no worse off on the ice.

Another solid, if minor, trade by MacT.

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#113 Rick Stroppel
January 31 2014, 08:53PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

I HATE TO TELL EVERYONE THAT I TOLD YOU SO???

BUT:

I TOLD YOU SO!!!!

Craig "The Brain" MACTAVISH did it again. A freakin genius move!!! Once again!!!

MacT is active and is bringing in the freaking BIGTIME MASHERS in the NHL!!!!

I pity any who this this or the Hendricks deal is a bad deal!!

OMG WHAT HAVE I DONE!

Please forgive me! I woke up the real "Josh Oiler"!

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#114 The Last Big Bear
January 31 2014, 08:57PM
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Hemmercules wrote:

I don't understand the MacT hate. The guy took on a last place team of smurfs 6 months ago from a passive GM. He added Ference, Gordon, Perron, Scrivens, Brysgalov, Belov, Hendricks and now Fraser. Tried to get Bernier, Schneider, Clarkson and probably others in trade attempts we never heard about. He shipped out some underachievers in Duby, Paajarvi and Smid.

The guy is active, more so than most GM's out there as far as I can see. Not all moves will be great, not all will work out, but the guy is trying.

I seems to me a lot of people think its as easy as calling up GM's and demanding they trade their great players to us for our junk. Not gonna happen.

I want playoffs next year as much as anyone but it likely wont happen that fast. Tambloweini's team will take time to correct and I think MacT has the potential to do it.

Correction: He took on a *23rd place* team of smurfs 6 months ago, and they have become the worst in the league since then.

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#115 Jaroslav Pouzar
January 31 2014, 11:58PM
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WTF? Is MacT trying to build an AHL team?

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#116 camdog
February 01 2014, 07:30AM
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pkam wrote:

Regarding Fistric, what is MacT supposed to do other than let him walk? Sign him to 3 years at 2M? This is what happen when you can't agree with the contract term with a UFA. Fistric is no different than any other UFA, like Iglina. If you are not interested in him, don't talk to him. If you are interested, you try to sign him to a contract you think is reasonable to you. If you can't sign him to a contract you think is reasonable to you, then you move on to the next one. How complicate is it?

You think Fraser is worse, obviously MacT thinks otherwise. Fraser not only will hit, he will drop the groves and stand up for his teammates. How many time did Fistric drop the gloves to protect his kids? If you have to choose between Mike Brown and Fraser, who would you rather have? Both the Oilers and the Sharks have to give a 4th rounder to get Mike Brown, do you think any team will give a 4th rounder for Fistric?

I am not sure what the right to Hartikainen will get us. What did we get for Omark? futher consideration, inw, a 6th/7th rounder. This summer MacT release Toni Rajala to Europe. I was quite upset because although Rajala is small, he, imo, is our best forward in OKC. If MacT can let Rajalo go, it is just a matter of time that we will do the same to Hartikainen. Since he is not part of our plan, therefore the roster spot has more value to MacT than his right.

I was never a fan of either player so I am totally okay with it. Perhaps you are a fan of those 2 players, or MacT hater?

I'd take Brown over Fraser. Oilers traded a third rounder for Fistric. Not sure what you are saying about the organization that traded a third for a guy you state nobody would trade a 4th for?

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#117 A-Mc
January 31 2014, 09:20AM
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spare parts for something that has a chance at working out on the low end of the D-lines. Not bad. Not earth shattering, but not bad =)

Also: He's from the Marlies so that means Eakins already knows him and can probably get him into the swing of things pretty quickly. It's nice to know what you've got in a player before you actually acquire him. The coach must have had some input here.

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#118 YEGFan
January 31 2014, 09:46AM
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oilabroad wrote:

I think the Fistric signing made him look like a tool. The best team in the league took a player we threw away and signed him to a 3 year extension... I think most Oiler fans wanted him signed but again MacT had his eye on the prize and missed out on the housekeeping he needed to take care of at home. While I am venting, if we are going to go after all of a teams castoffs, why not a good team??

Fistric was not great for us. He could not carry our already weak D and needed time to grow and learn how to do things other than ignore his assignments and go for a big hit. He needed to be sheltered by stronger defensemen like he is in Anaheim. He has some useful skills, but he is not what the Oilers need and that was obvious. The Oilers are in desperate need of top end defensive talent, not 6-7 guys who can fill a niche role on a cup contender.

I am pretty sure he sat around unsigned for a long time last summer. There was no "missed... housekeeping." He proved himself to not be what the Oilers needed to prioritize. His current usefulness would probably not have materialized if he was still an Oiler.

He also was frequently a healthy scratch while here. I don't buy that the decline from last year to this year has anything to do with him.

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#119 oilslick
January 31 2014, 09:54AM
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@Jonathan Willis

Here,Here!!!!

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#120 YEGFan
January 31 2014, 09:56AM
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oilabroad wrote:

While I agree with JW that he was not worth 2M, I disagree with you completely. He was the only 5-7D we had who was holding his head above water, and the scratches were not justified based on the stats... I am too lazy to look it up, but I do remember this being written about by JW and others

I don't remember much love for Fistric based on anything other than his size. I do remember he received one dubious accolade:

http://oilersnation.com/2013/3/25/the-single-worst-play-by-an-oiler-this-year

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#121 TayLordBalls
January 31 2014, 09:59AM
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another brick in the wall

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#122 Bloodsweatandoil
January 31 2014, 10:15AM
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Good move.....more size and somebody who doesn't take any sh$t from opponents.

Who knows what the future brings for him, but in the meantime, I will gladly play him over three guys currently on the roster.

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#123 Czar
January 31 2014, 10:34AM
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The Oilers got a D-man who's willing to drop the mitts for spare parts, what's not to like?

Oiler's get tougher and still everyone complains? Wait until he bitch slaps a Canuck or Flame! Or he steps in when someone's taking liberties with one of the kids,maybe then you might come around.

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#124 YEGFan
January 31 2014, 10:47AM
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Stack Pad Save wrote:

Yah, but they all play like they are 5'2 most of the time. Belov occassionaly throws a hit, but never in front of his own net where it matters the most. Marincin is a bean pole still, the Schultz's are the defense sisters and Petry plays physical only when he knows no one on the other team will push back. The Oilers need a guy in the top 2 who is going to play physical.

The most important part of your message is right here: "Belov occassionaly throws a hit, but never in front of his own net where it matters the most."

Not all hits are created equal. Physical play has an obvious role in hockey, but it is a means to an end, not important in and of itself.

If Mark Fraser skates around punching and hitting people while getting lit up with goals and shots all day (which seems likely given his accomplishments so far), he will not help the Oilers.

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#125 **
January 31 2014, 10:48AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

We now go from FOKs being the overarching and only narrative to adding a new acronym FOE.

Being a friend of Eakins seems to be handy on ones CV.

Why don't they just fire the scouting staff. They seem to have little usefulness if connections/friendship with management trumps merit.

For what it's worth both Ryan Hamilton and Acton Jr. are buried in the minors.

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#126 gcw_rocks
January 31 2014, 10:58AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Not buying out Hemsky? You're kidding, right?

Buying out Hemsky if no trade was available would have made sense if the team was looking to add Grabovski and one of Hainsey or Gilbert and needed cap space.

Buying Hemsky out for the sake of buying Hemsky out makes no sense.

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#127 meh...
January 31 2014, 11:02AM
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Not earth shattering but a decent move. Replace a soft 6-7 defenceman with a meaner 6-7 defenceman. You want more size and grit, you're getting more size and grit.

You want Bobby Orr for Hemsky and a 3rd rounder you're dreaming...

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#128 Zarny
January 31 2014, 11:21AM
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DisappointedFan wrote:

We can't argue on the play of someone who wasn't here...but I think we have all agreed they had no physicality and got out muscled in many games that they may have stood a chance in. If he were there over an empty jersey in Potter (who deflects every shot in his own goal) or Belov (who lets guys easily skate in for a breakaway on his goalie) Nick Schultz (I don't know if he actually provides anything besides being somewhat in position and blocking shots) I think we would see a slightly higher standing.

24th looks a lot nicer than 29th or 30th...shows progression...not regression.

Of course you can argue on the play of someone that wasn't here. He's playing in Anh. His play warranted a lot less $$$ than he was asking for in Edm.

Overpaying for Fistric would have been beyond stupid. It would have been the next level of stupid compared to such beauts as Buf handing Ville Leino a pile of cash or Tor signing a 29 y/o undrafted player and career plugger like Clarkson to 7 years.

I certainly agree the Oilers need more size, strength and physical play. And quite frankly they need a few more guys that are flat out a**holes on the ice.

24th though does not look a lot nicer than 29th imo. Bottom of the league is bottom of the league.

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#129 Joe Mamma
January 31 2014, 11:34AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

As I have written before, there is only one buyout remaining under this cba. As the most critical cap crunch was this year, exercising the buyout this last summer would have been far more beneficial than using it this coming summer. That freed up salary and roster spot could have been used to pick up a long-term solution from a cap-strapped team (Philadelphia perhaps). Hemsky was on MacT's disposal list. Because he couldn't trade/deal him away he should have done the next best thing and bought him out.

Sorry Gord, when you're in a hole, stop digging. Buying out a legit NHL forward with no replacement, for no reason other than to get him off the roster is brainless.

I agree with you that the Gagner extension and Grebs signing were legit errors on MacT's part, but this Hemsky argument is a stupid one. Frankly it just looks like you're trolling for an argument. Which you likely are.

Even a world-class cynic like yourself has got to admit that MacT has made some pretty decent moves this year, and has easily blown Tambo out of the water in 9 months on the job.

Maybe, just once, you could skip the grumpy pills with breakfast?

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#130 Bucknuck
January 31 2014, 11:38AM
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There was once this player that really hadn't done much at the NHL level. He was a big bodied tough as nails defenceman that was past his prospect due date (26 yrs old). He played for Toronto, and his skating was suspect and no one was expecting much.

Jason Smith was his name.

Now I am not saying this guy is Jason Smith, I'm just saying that a tough as nails all heart defenceman is something this team needs, and you never know what can happen when a player gets a new start.

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#131 MessyEH
January 31 2014, 11:43AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Signing gagner.

Not buying out hemsky.

Not getting a better goalie than dubnyk.

And probably ten others if I cared to take the time...

MacT has made far more mistakes than has made positive moves.

And it shows in the teams standings.

I don't think Hemsky is so bad, that the Oilers get better by not playing him.In fact Hemsky has been defensively solid this year.

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#133 Eddie Shore
January 31 2014, 12:11PM
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"Hartikainen is a pest with limitless energy and a willingness to hit everything in sight, with some ability to contribute offensively" from Leafsnation.

That is not the Hartikainen I watched...

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#134 2004Z06
January 31 2014, 12:15PM
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Hilarious. People bitch Gagner is an overpay, Ference is an overpay, Hendricks is an over pay and in the same breath say that Fistric would have been an acceptable overpay at 2 mil?

Put down the bong!

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#135 Taylor Gang
January 31 2014, 12:18PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

None of those guys are better than Campbell.

Especially not MacDonald.

I'm just saying there are other ways of upgrading the defense other than Campbell.

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#136 A-Mc
January 31 2014, 02:16PM
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shaddup wrote:

Speak for yourself, I like reading Serious Gord's comments. I may not agree with him, but I like that he has an opinion and can express why he has those opinions.

If you don't care to read his comments, kindly skip over it and allow those of us who do to read it and comment accordingly.

Who the hell are you to speak for the rest of us?

Who said anything about speaking for the rest of you? You're welcome to say what you want.

I'm tired of reading the exact same message that is posted every single thread. It's the same negative BS and it's not gaining any traction with continual repeats.

I'd have PM'd him if it were possible but it's not.

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#137 Zarny
January 31 2014, 02:22PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

I'd take Campbell on an expensive two year deal.....problem is he's going to be looking for a 4 to 6 year deal and that is where he may not be a good fit.

Campbell is not the big tough 1-2 Dman that most of us are dreaming about, but if it's a two or three year deal then we cannot let our pursuit of perfection get in the way of a seriously good upgrade.

Edit: Joe Mamma

Right you are. Thank you. He is under contract for two more years after this year at $7.15 million per season.

So then the questions for me are, does he have a no trade or limited no trade contract, and what would we have to give up to get him?

Keep in mind the 2nd year of that expensive deal coincides with the 1st year of Yak's next contract.

As well, MacT is not going to get all of the pieces required by next season. He's going to be looking for more pieces in 2015-2016.

I agree you can't have blinders on looking for perfection but Campbell's cap hit could be a serious hindrance to adding other required players give he's not the ideal D the Oilers need.

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#138 DisappointedFan
January 31 2014, 02:51PM
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Joe Mamma wrote:

Aww, you mad bro? Guess what buddy, I could care less what you think. If you think a guy with 0G 6A that spends half the season in the pressbox is worth 2mil a year, well let's all be thankful you're not running the team.

Nick Shultz was signed. Fistric was a UFA. What the hell does any of the drivel you just posted have to do with Fistric? You're arguments are a disjointed pile of circle reasoning, constantly degrading into blather on tripe that has little or nothing to do with the subject matter. Judging by the hearty helping of trashes and lack of props on your mundane arguments, I'm guessing I'm not in the minority.

Well I guess there's a reason neither of us is getting paid to manage the team.

It's a circular argument by the way, a circle argument is one about...well a circle.

So people don't agree with my statements, I didn't know this was about who can get the most popular replies? Is there some sort of prize for getting the most props?

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#139 DisappointedFan
January 31 2014, 02:53PM
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@Joe Mamma

Just didn't want you going out there into the world thinking it was a circle argument or a "Pre-Madonna" (as opposed to the "Prima donna" which is correct) and looking uneducated to your friends.

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#140 DisappointedFan
January 31 2014, 03:13PM
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@Joe Mamma

Using the jokes just made on you against the guy who made the joke, such wow.

Please tell me more about how you actually read the comments in our discussion and actually made a "contribution" to it without hoping on the crack pipe joke train.

At least you sort of established one clear agreement that he's better than two bad signings made.

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#141 Serious Gord
January 31 2014, 03:44PM
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Zarny wrote:

Give it up.

Not buying out Hemsky didn't impede MacT from making any trades.

The Oilers had the cap room to make a trade with a team like Phi at the beginning of the season if Phi was actually going to pull the trigger.

They had ample cap space to go sign Bryzgalov.

There was no strategic aspect to buying out Hemsky.

Some - rishaug et al say that smid was traded to make room for Bryz.

As mentioned above the bonuses issue clouds what the real free cap room the oil has is.

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#142 LoweBlow
January 31 2014, 04:34PM
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Is this Fraser guy any good? I have a feeling he's just a bigger, dumber version of Corey Potter with no offensive upside.

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#143 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 05:30PM
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DisappointedFan wrote:

See my major problem with this trade is that it is taking the spot of guys who could "try-out" for next year. (Fedun/Klefbom/Gernat)Unless MacT is doing this because he doesn't want to see them and would rather they take the Barons to a "successful" playoff run.

Fair point DF....but it is entirely possible that Nick Schultz, Potter, and maybe even Belov get moved at the deadline....leaving room for call ups of young guys...and a guy like Fraser to stick up for them. Let's hope anyway.

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#144 Spydyr
January 31 2014, 05:41PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

"Joe Mamma" and "me": I've deleted most of the comments in the back-and-forth internet purse fight you've been treating everybody to.

Post any more of it and an IP ban is next.

Thanks, for the next person reading the comments.

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#145 Spydyr
January 31 2014, 05:43PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Hey Spydyr,

Agreed. I agree that Smid was a physical presence and did stick up for his teammates....but I wish he was a lot meaner....and I really can't remember any good Smid fights. Don't get me wrong..it is .not obvious why you move a semi physical Dman when your D is so soft......but the reason I don't really miss him, besides the 3.5 mil, is that he wasn't mean and he didn't drop them often enough.

I'm reading that Fraser is 6'4" 220 and is a pri@k ! And he's more than willing to mix it up in more ways than one. If true....we win that trade.

They also freed up another roster spot and by the looks of things J.J. took Harti's job anyhow.

J.J. looks better to me .

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#146 Zarny
January 31 2014, 06:27PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Is the risk that bothers you the risk of the overspend bringing us up against the cap and thereby limiting our future options? Or, the risk of the player himself?

It's the risk of being tight against the cap and knowing you will need to add more players.

The Oilers are not Brian Campbell + a G away from being Cup contenders. They will need to add additional players. I want nothing to do with overpaying Brian Campbell $2-3M preventing a necessary move.

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#147 michael
January 31 2014, 06:44PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

"Joe Mamma" and "me": I've deleted most of the comments in the back-and-forth internet purse fight you've been treating everybody to.

Post any more of it and an IP ban is next.

Thankyou

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#148 Robin Brownlee
January 31 2014, 07:15PM
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Quick note:

"me": you not only didn't take the hint, you posted as "brownlee." You're done here -- no matter what name you choose to use.

"Joe Mamma": If you lost an unrelated comment while I was wasting a part of my day deleting your spat with "me/brownlee," too bad. It wasn't intentional, but that's how it goes.

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#149 Chainsawz
February 01 2014, 12:04AM
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Will wrote:

Hmm, I see a lot of fans on here that watch hockey, but maybe don't really follow it. By that I mean anyone on here who thinks they never should have let Mark Fistric walk clearly does not understand that a guy like that is simply not worth the money he wanted. Big checking bottom pairing stay at home defenders are a dime a dozen in this and the AHL. An Nhl team should never be paying more than 1 mill per year for a guy who doesn't contribute offensively.

Fistric aside, I liked Smid, but I don't even think he was worth the money.

Anyone saying Mac T is a bad GM after only a year in the chair is crazy. Compared to Bambi this guy has been great. His expensive moves have paid off (Perron, Gordon). Most have his low risk moves have been good (Gazdic, Belov, Scrivens, Bryz). And the ones that have been bad, well they aren't signed long term for any amount of money so who cares (Macntyre, the other russian defenseman, Larsen). If anything the only questionable one was Ferrence, and really Mac T needed to bring in something and he knew he'd have to overpay to do it.

He is doing exactly what he said he'd do, build a tougher team around our top talent. The guy maybe hasn't yet pulled of a huge block buster, but so far I think he's done way more good than bad, and in a very short amount of time.

The only reason I trashed this comment is because you compared Tambellini to MacTavish. So what? A brick with a dunce cap could manage a team better. Doesn't make that brick a good manager.

MacTavish has been busy but let's not confuse busy with productive. This is still a basement team.

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#150 Lawndemon
February 01 2014, 01:16AM
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You know your team is bad when a blog post about the Oilers acquiring a press box castaway from the Leafs generates 295 posts debating the merit of the addition.

What would happen here if MacT actually made a significant move?

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