Oilers acquire Mark Fraser from Toronto

Jonathan Willis
January 31 2014 09:06AM

TSN's Darren Dreger reports that the Oilers have added some size to their blue line, adding Mark Fraser from Toronto.

What The Oilers Sent Away

The players going the other way in the deal were both outside of the organization's plans, so the cost on this isn't especially dear.

Teemu Hartikainen is having a pretty good season in Russia and has to be the guy the Leafs were interested in on this deal. He's a big winger with some skill who couldn't do much in 23 NHL games last season with the Oilers; he wasn't interested in staying in the organization on a two-way deal and so he went off to Russia. I've been told down the line that this isn't a player that Edmonton really had plans for, but that doesn't mean he might not break out with the Leafs. 

Cameron Abney, the other guy in the trade, has negative value; he's an ECHL enforcer taking up a spot on Edmonton's 50-man list. In the Oilers' organization he was passed as a player by Erick Lizon (currently with the CHL's Wichita Thunder). 

What the Oilers Added

Everybody hoping Edmonton would add a big, physical defenceman for the third pair got their wish today.

Fraser is listed at 6'4", 220 pounds. He has had three fights in the NHL this season; last year he had nine fights in the majors and eight in the AHL. He's a stay-at-home defenceman who plays a throwback style; the new Theo Peckham on Edmonton's blue line. 

As for what he is as a player? Theo Peckham isn't far-off as a comparison there, either. Fraser has struggled badly this year, with regular partners Paul Ranger and Morgan Rielly both faring better without him than with him. Of interest, though, is the way he and Cody Franson played together last season, and the way his regular partners in New Jersey (primarily Andy Greene and Johnny Oduya) played with and without him. He has had a measure of success in the NHL before, even if he isn't enjoying that this season.

For the time being the pending unrestricted free agent can provide the Oilers with physical play in the six/seven slot and provide the Oilers with a warm body if they choose to move other free agents like Anton Belov or Nick Schultz or Corey Potterat the deadline. He has familiarity with Dallas Eakins from time spent with the Marlies, so he should slot in to the Oilers system with relative ease, and his skillset is a nice fit alongside any of Potter, Philip Larsen or Taylor Fedun on that bottom pair.

This is a small trade, but it adds a dimension the Oilers were lacking at the cost of players the team didn't really care about anyway. The player with the most potential to be an NHL difference-maker went to Toronto, but Hartikainen wasn't going to be that guy in Edmonton and the trade market for 'tweeners who want one-way deals isn't as robust as it could be. 

Update - via @Steve_Dangle of Leafs Nation comes this Hockey Night in Canada segment on Fraser:

Additionally, Jeff Veillette - who covered Fraser in person when Fraser played for the AHL's Toronto Marlies - wrote a piece on the trade for Leafs Nation.

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#151 MessyEH
February 01 2014, 06:26AM
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300 posts over a nothing trade?

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#152 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
February 01 2014, 07:23AM
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^^Exactly.

It was the latest article yesterday, the comments were more just general Oilers chat, as they usually are.

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#153 JimW
January 31 2014, 09:55AM
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Apparently the Oilers like to make moves in pairs, so who is next? Nultz, Larsen, Potter, Jones, Gagner, or Hemsky?

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#154 YEGFan
January 31 2014, 09:58AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Signing gagner.

Not buying out hemsky.

Not getting a better goalie than dubnyk.

And probably ten others if I cared to take the time...

MacT has made far more mistakes than has made positive moves.

And it shows in the teams standings.

How on earth can you convince yourself one of this team's problems would have been solved by buying out Hemsky?

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#155 Czar
January 31 2014, 10:39AM
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If you're still having issues with this trade or are trying to rekindle a love affair with Fistric read JW"s comments #13 and #14 a couple more times!!

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#156 oilersd
January 31 2014, 10:48AM
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@oilabroad

Fistric wanted 2 mil to sign with oilers. Ducks got him for 900 000. Third pairing dmen are not that hard to come by as evidenced by the current crop of oilers d. This move is strategy for a later deal IMO.

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#157 Czar
January 31 2014, 10:54AM
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@DisappointedFan

Game 57 is better than not at all.

I liked what Fistric brought to the line up but he sure as heck wouldn't have made much of a difference in the standings. He turned down the Oilers offer so he wasn't an option anyway.

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#158 Hemmercules
January 31 2014, 11:03AM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

The trashes here are more hilarious than anything.

Blind faithers think that this is meaningful.

Trading nothing and less than nothing for another big slow cement head who can't play a lick....

The bridge to nowhere is going just great MacT.

Have your joy that your heroic braintrust is out there working hard to "Improve" things.

I don't understand the MacT hate. The guy took on a last place team of smurfs 6 months ago from a passive GM. He added Ference, Gordon, Perron, Scrivens, Brysgalov, Belov, Hendricks and now Fraser. Tried to get Bernier, Schneider, Clarkson and probably others in trade attempts we never heard about. He shipped out some underachievers in Duby, Paajarvi and Smid.

The guy is active, more so than most GM's out there as far as I can see. Not all moves will be great, not all will work out, but the guy is trying.

I seems to me a lot of people think its as easy as calling up GM's and demanding they trade their great players to us for our junk. Not gonna happen.

I want playoffs next year as much as anyone but it likely wont happen that fast. Tambloweini's team will take time to correct and I think MacT has the potential to do it.

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#159 Oiler63
January 31 2014, 11:22AM
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Don't get overly excited folks. He's not the same since taking the puck to the face last season. He did well last year but there's a reason he couldn't even crack Leafs' line up this year.

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#160 Fresh Mess
January 31 2014, 11:34AM
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He is worth a shot. If he works he will bring something sorely lacking. If he doesn't work out, they gave up nothing to get him and his contract expires this summer.

Good move by Mactavish. Second solid trade in a row.

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#161 Joe Mamma
January 31 2014, 11:43AM
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gcw_rocks wrote:

What a joke. Yes, this is exactly what the team needs - more bottom pairing defencemen. Because Belov, Grebs, Larsen, Schultz Sr., Schultz Jr., Fedun and Klefbom aren't enough.

If I am Fedun, I am thinking "WTF?" I doubt we see Fedun in Edmonton for any material amount of time after this trade, if at all.

Look again at the names you just listed, spend a little time thinking about the attributes each of those players brings, and you will have your case for why this is EXACTLY the kind of player we need in that spot in the rotation.

Frankly, who gives a crap about Fedun? I like the kid, but he's more of the same of what we already have. Which, in case you haven't noticed, isn't working so well.

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#162 Fresh Mess
January 31 2014, 11:48AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Okay, let's rein it in with the Mark Fistric love here. He wanted $2 million a year in Edmonton; the Oilers reportedly offered him a three-year/$4.5 million deal and he wouldn't take it.

Anaheim then signed him on the cheap for a year, and recently re-signed him to a deal for less money than the one Edmonton offered.

I simply can't get angry at the Oilers for refusing to pay Fistric $2 million a year. He added a nice element and I always had time for the player, but that's way too much money for the six/seven man on the depth chart.

I can't agree more or prop this enough. I am so sick of hearing about Fistric.

News flash people: HE DIDN'T WANT TO PLAY HERE.

Fistric is a marginal 6-7 dman, who badly priced himself out from playing here. He was willing to sign with a good team for half the money he demanded from Edmonton.

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#163 Hemmercules
January 31 2014, 12:09PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

None other than bill belechik has said that the most important thing in a cap league to have is plenty of cap room during the season. Having it enables one to fill holes due to injury or other unforeseen things but also to have the space to pick up players from other teams under cap space pressure - like Philly was early this season.

Having lots of cap space would have given the oil much more options. Buying out hemsky didn't require another move to be done - it should have been done in order to be ready to take advantage of future opportunities.

Part of the reason why all of MacT's in-season deals have been such small ball is because he lacks the cap room roster space to make a big ones.

I see your point. Cap space is always good. I think we might just be on the outside looking in on this one. Maybe Katz didnt want to toss 5 mil in the toilet?? Maybe they decided they might as well keep him seeing how big player moves hardly (if ever) happen before Christmas anyway and they were hoping his value would rise for the deadline so they could get a return on him. If a trade arises and cap room is needed, good GM's find ways to get the deal done and stay within the cap. I think buyout are for horrible contracts or terrible play, neither of which fit Hemsky.

I think Mact's trades have been "small ball" because blockbuster trades don't happen in the first half of the season very often.

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#164 michael
January 31 2014, 12:14PM
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Hemsky's 5 million looks great next season off the books. Add Eager,N.Shultz(3.75),Smyth at 2.25(I think he is resigned at 1.5).Grebby,Belov,Potter,Larsen(1.1)and whole whack of other guys.We'll save on the goaltending.DD was 3.75. think you can sign Scrivens and one other goalie for a lot less than that.I see Gagner being shown his hat at the draft.There goes 4+million.

My point is that cap space even with having to sign RFA's will be plentiful.Hemsky's return if its a 3rd is fine by me.Its better than nothing.

Eakins quote "Fraser adds a growl back there"

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#165 wellsy
January 31 2014, 12:15PM
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YEGFan wrote:

Hartikainen. Cam Abney is exactly the sort of draft pick I'm complaining about.

I know the Finn was looking pretty unexciting last year, but his performance in the KHL sounds like he has been taking major steps forward. It is still entirely possible (I am saying possible, not likely) he turns into a winger that can move up and down the line up. That is not "nothing." He could have actually been a useful player for the Oilers to have.

Mark Fraser looks like he will actually make the Oilers worse under the guise of making them tougher.

Ultimately I agree, this trade is probably inconsequential. I decided to fight this fight because so many people keep talking about toughness as if it's a valuable commodity in and of itself, when it is not.

The toughness philosophy has been the organization's MO for years. They keep getting tough players with glimmers of competence who just never pan out and cost the team goals. Everybody quickly forgets, notices that the team lacks competent tough players, and screams that they need to go out and get them. Rather than getting a player who is having success and driving possession they go out and get another tough guy who isn't. The tough guy doesn't get better and instead gets super exposed because he can't make up for the overwhelming inexperience elsewhere in the line up (mostly defense right now), and it all repeats itself.

We clearly have philosophical differences in what the team needs. I don't agree with your opinion, but I respect it...I guess we'll see...

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#166 Lochenzo
January 31 2014, 12:16PM
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@ Serious Gord

I don't know why you are so hard up for using the last compliance buyout on Hemsky. If you want to believe Mark Spector, Hemsky is worth at least a 3rd round pick. I think that Hemmer is worth more than that. I would only use the compliance buyout on guys that you couldn't even give away.

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#168 Taylor Gang
January 31 2014, 12:23PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

So was Andrew Ference when they signed him. "Better" isn't good enough; the team needs a top-pair defencemen and the options are awful. If Campbell's available, he is one.

But he's expensive! Horrendously expensive. With the amount of holes the Oilers have in their lineup, I wouldn't feel comfortable if Mac-T invested that much money into an aging defenseman such as Campbell.

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#169 YEGFan
January 31 2014, 12:29PM
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@Taylor Gang

Top two defensemen are worth 6M plus. There's no getting around it. Once one is established he will get paid.

The ONLY reason anyone would ever consider moving someone like Campbell is because he is a little over paid (not horrendously by any stretch).

My opinion is that an actual top 2 defenseman would have a monumental difference on this team's success. A slight over pay for two years is completely worth it.

With the cap going up top pairing defensemen will be earning 9M on the open market in a couple years. They are simply that valuable and difficult to acquire.

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#170 Spydyr
January 31 2014, 12:40PM
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Czar wrote:

I agree 100%! Look at the infuence Gadzic and Hendricks have had so far, at least the rest of the team are bringing their balls to the games now.

At first I did not like the team picking up Hendricks .Due to his contract and age. Now having watched him play here I stand corrected.He brings a positive energy on the ice,bench and although we cannot see I'm guessing the dressing room too.Along with his work effort and take no crap attitude Mac-T appears to have made a good move here.

He has addressed a need on the team and filled it.Let us hope he can do the same with some bigger needs at the deadline and this summer.

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#171 Oiler Al
January 31 2014, 12:42PM
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No harm done, if the guy isnt part of the future he is gone at the end of season if need be. Oiler get to audition the guy for remainder of the season.

Hendricks sandpaper rubbed off on almost all of the team, and Fraser may add to this demension. Heck he might even drop the gloves if need be. Certainly Gadzic hasnt done much of it lately, and has left it up to guys like Jones and Hendricks.

Different postitions but Fraser will add more to this team than Gadzic, for what its worth.

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#172 A-Mc
January 31 2014, 01:22PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Whether buying out hemsky would have helped is unknowable. Having lots of room early in the season could have gotten the oil a good piece from the flyers early in the season when they were really struggling, but who knows? It's impossible to prove either way. It's whether the strategy is sound that is the question. I think it is.

If it is unknown how it would have affected the team by buying out Hemsky, then by that same logic you can't possibly conclude that it was a bad move to NOT buy him out; so please drop it.

You've said your piece. We've all read it in many of your posts prior to the ones in this article. There is no reason to continually repeat yourself.

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#173 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 01:26PM
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DAVE wrote:

It would'nt have been basically nothing, if MacT hadn't let Hartikainan get away and signed him to one way deal instead of Joenseu.

B@stard almost let Omark get away for nothing to!

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#174 Taylor Gang
January 31 2014, 01:30PM
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OilClog wrote:

What is wrong with you.. Dense much

It's not anything to do with abilities with being able to absorb Campbell's contract. It's that the Oilers are paying more for the two currently then what Campbell's contract is worth. Understand. If we move the two, bring in the one. We actually will be paying less.

If Campbell is available he's definately worth looking into, there are a few other players I try to shake loose first though.. Subban, Weber, that guy Montreal traded for Gomez, Big Buff..if they can't be had, I'd grab Campbell.

I'm just saying just because it's cheaper doesn't mean it's worth it, how am I dense?

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#175 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 01:32PM
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MaxPower417 wrote:

From a Leafs fan: I'm sorry Edmonton. You don't deserve this.

Thank you for your concern Leafs Fan.....I know you'll enjoy Hartlessikainen. He's just what the Leafs need.

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#176 Will
January 31 2014, 01:58PM
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A-Mc wrote:

i think it was a 3rd we gave up for Fistric! just FYI =)

PS: you have a real chubby for Callahan.. Haven't you asked about him in almost every thread you've replied to over the last week or so? LOL

Awe, that's nice. Someone is reading my posts.

Yeah I kind of latch onto an idea and then yell loudly about it until it either gains traction or becomes moot.

I've been shouting about Yandle for a couple years now.

Last season I was yelling to take Nichuskin, trade Gags for help on D, then sign Antripov and have a Canadian and Russian line as our top two.

This is why I'm not a GM I guess.

I think my overall point is that Mac T is doing a good job of building the 2006 cup run style Oilers around the top end talent we have which has been a big complaint levelled against the club in past years (i.e. no grit, no heart, something the 2006 version had in spades). What's needed though besides a good amount of ancillary moves is something risky.

They are going to need to balance out the top 6 somehow. Perron was a good start in that he's an awesome agitator with some incredible skill and drive to win, and he's pretty good two way. But the team will still need, IMO replace one of Gagner, Yak, or Ebs, with a more physical and two way thinking player. Hopefully one with some size and veteran leadership. Again IMO no other player available fits that better than Callahan.

With that, they have trade options for that elusive number two d man. I like the suggestion by Willis to just pay for someone like Campbell, but I also hope they do better.

For this particular trade, I look at Fraser's number's last year and think man I hope the concussion he took hasn't irrevocably changed his game. But if it has, well, they can just not resign him next year and the team really didn't lose anything.

What do you think is a reasonable route to fixing the team? Are they still far away or maybe one or two big moves?

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#177 Zarny
January 31 2014, 02:07PM
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DisappointedFan wrote:

So now he's playing on the Ducks, is 2nd on their team in hits and has played 28 games..you're telling me that wouldn't be something you'd pay for. He has 128 hits at 2nd on his team 40 hits above the next best player, and he'd be 1 hit behind Jeff Petry (team leader)...you'd be stupid not to pay somehow who goes and crushes people all day. We have more than enough non-offensive, non-defensive defensemen, they could have used one who could at least lay the body.

Mark Fraser has 66 hits in 19 games, hardly comparable. They overpaid Gagner, Horcoff, Hemsky, and on and on...overpaying a player who actually does his job is a huge plus. You get Matt Hendricks who is being paid because he's an energy player on the Oilers. I like it. He does his job and it's working for them.

Going from 29th to 24th = progression. Going from 24th to 29th = regression.

Moving up (progression) is a positive thing, so they are in the basement, they're atleast walking to the door. Moving down (regression) is a negative and shows that they like hiding in the dark and getting kicked around by their abusive older brothers (the rest of the league).

Yes I'd pay for that...about $900K-$1M and not a penny more.

Paying double that which is what Fistric wanted would be stupid. I wouldn't even consider that for a nanosecond.

Simply looking at 24th vs 29th as "progression" or "regression" is ridiculous.

Both equate to the same thing...bottom of the league. The Oilers were 24th after 48 games and plummeting. They finished 6 pts ahead of 29th.

Moving down doesn't show they like "hiding in the dark". That's possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read. Are you really stupid enough to think that was the plan or what the team wanted?

They started the year with their top 2 C on the IR and their starting G played like absolutely garbage. Had Gagner not been hurt and had they gotten decent goaltending the Oilers would have 5-7 more wins. That would put them in 24th or 25th which is where there were last year and is what they are this year.

Context is a beautiful thing.

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#178 Zarny
January 31 2014, 02:14PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Flawed logic on your part. The strategic aspect of buying out hemsky should not be measured by the tangible tactical result.

Not having ample cap room during the season is a big - strategic - mistake.

Give it up.

Not buying out Hemsky didn't impede MacT from making any trades.

The Oilers had the cap room to make a trade with a team like Phi at the beginning of the season if Phi was actually going to pull the trigger.

They had ample cap space to go sign Bryzgalov.

There was no strategic aspect to buying out Hemsky.

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#179 Zarny
January 31 2014, 02:18PM
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DisappointedFan wrote:

Sorry, but when someone references Corsi or Fenwick, you lose credibility in your argument entirely. Those are poor representatives of a players performance, and hardly tell how a guy is playing especially defensemen (who on Edmonton never look good in Corsi). But since we're on the topic, he had a +6 rating in Edmonton and +8 rating in Anaheim. Since we're looking at "helping the team" he had 6 assists and was +6 for the Oilers while Nick Schultz was -13 and had 1g 8a. So if you want to go by your "effectiveness" rating scale, Mark Fistric looks a lot better than Nick Schultz does.

Sorry but your feelings towards his "selfish play" can be said about most players, let's look at all the times Justin Schultz pinches or moves up to the slot for a shot putting himself far out of position blows it and the other team goes down and scores or gets a break away, he does it every game. Or Jeff Petrys soft play on the puck EVERY game where he gives it away in our own zone, or because he doesn't stand in position or cover guys in front of his net. Or we could talk about Potter deflecting every shot into our own net. Or we could talk about how a rookie prospect is the best looking defender on the team who wasn't even supposed to play on the Oilers this year.

Reducing your argument to petty attempts at telling me to "put down the crack pipe" or "man crush" prove just how little strengthen your argument is.

No, actually someone doesn't lose credibility in their argument entirely by referencing Corsi or Fenwick.

Some of the top minds in hockey use analytics. The fact they confuse you doesn't make them irrelevant.

Reducing your argument to "anyone who mentions something is irrelevant" actually make you completely irrelevant.

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#180 michael
January 31 2014, 03:11PM
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Dale Tallon did not get stupid overnight. Campbell is his biggest asset. He paid to get him when he arrived in Florida. Now that the new owner has expressed his wishes to become a cap team going forward why in hells name would Talon trade him?

Campbell gives Florida a legit number 1. You pair him up with Gudbranson and they'll be solid for a few years to come.

I take a wait and see approach. We'll see a number of departures this off season. I think we'll see one or two FA signings. But of the minor league variety. We'll see more players graduating via OKC. We'll also see the likes of Mitch Moroz and Dillon Simpson being added along with some others to the OKC roster.

Adding players like Fraser and IB costs little. Scrivens cost a 3rd pick. We know the odds of those making it to the NHL.

MacT is expending little in terms of viable assets to acquire players who have UFA status. If they work out.Great. If not.Flush. Its a win win situation for the Oilers as they look for the right mix of skill and grit.

I like what he is doing. Little risk.

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#181 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 03:15PM
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me wrote:

Boy...you losers can sure drag out posts on an insignificant trade. you do crack me up though how you all think you're experts that matter to a team you will never be anything but a sucker for...get a life.

Is this what you repeat to yourself when your staring in the mirror in the morning? How's that workin for ya?

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#182 DisappointedFan
January 31 2014, 03:19PM
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Joe Mamma wrote:

What in the hell are you even talking about? OOOOkay, well this was fun. Let's never do it again, shall we.

Because you're fairly uncertain of common phrases used in every day conversation or because you don't know how the voting system on this site works?

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#183 toprightcorner
January 31 2014, 03:20PM
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@Joe Mamma

my bad Joe Mamma, I missed 1 comment out of 200, and I agree $2 mill was too much for Fistric if that is what he was asking for.

I wasn't aware that me missing one comment was so much worse than making up stats, to support your case when the actual stats disproves your point.

I guess I will try to be more like you and make stuff up to prove my point.

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#184 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 03:26PM
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me wrote:

Good one....you probably use mom jokes too....lol...you probably thought the mirror reply was a little better than "I know u are but what am i?"

I am rubber and you are glue.

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#185 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 03:36PM
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me wrote:

Yes...I think

Does it hurt?

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#186 DisappointedFan
January 31 2014, 03:39PM
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@Joe Mamma

You also neglected clear information and evidence that made your "clear and concise" points incorrect. So I'm not sure how exactly you can get that as a take away from the discussion but sure, you're absolutely correct, can't fix stupid.

Sorry I didn't know my "ill-fated" attempts were perceived as being gibberish, I can send an English tutor your way so you can better understand and comprehend the language for future conversations.

Says the certified comedian by trade?

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#187 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 03:46PM
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me wrote:

Awww man!!!...I feel like I was set up...

Don't feel too bad....trolling the troll is kind of a hobby of mine...I get a kick out of it...kinda like you do....but in a less serious feel good kinda way.

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#188 Bucknuck
January 31 2014, 04:04PM
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Quit being mean and nasty to each other. We are all fans on the loser bus together, but that doesn't mean we all have to act like losers. Agree or disagree with the trade, and discuss the GM who made the trade, and discuss the similar players we sent packing. But drop the nasty please.

The worst part about the Oilers losing has been the way the fans are turning into a pack of rabid dogs and ripping everything Oiler, even the good stuff, and then ripping on every fan who dares to say something good about the team.

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#189 Alsker
January 31 2014, 04:23PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Don't bring you into this.......you is on second!

Actually, "what's" on second.

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#190 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 04:28PM
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Alsker wrote:

Actually, "what's" on second.

Shhh....me doesn't know that....keep it under your hat....wink wink nudge nudge.

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#191 Oilerz4life
January 31 2014, 04:42PM
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Joe Mamma wrote:

Pretty clear this guy is a pure troll with nothing to add except grief. Think we could get a ban here? JW?

Agreed.

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#192 Oilerz4life
January 31 2014, 04:52PM
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It amazes me the amount of hockey insight many people that post on this site have. Trade speculation etc. But this is a whole new level of childishness. Hockey banter is one thing, but I think we are better served by just ignoring this "ME" guy. Just stop responding to him. Is there any way to just block his IP address or....? JW?

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#193 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 04:53PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

So correct me if I'm wrong here.

MacT lets Fistric walk, then re-aquires a worse version of him in exchange for the rights to Hartikainen + for 25 or so games?

This is considered ok?

Hey Wes, how you doing?

Consensus in most circles is that it's better than ok.

The argument goes something like this:

Fistric demanded an overpay $2 mill per to stay in Edmonton.

Fistric while physical was hesitant to drop the gloves.

Harti and Abney were never going to be part of the equation here.

We moved one unwanted contract. (Abney) and the "rights" to a guy who got cut from team Finland.

We get a physical stay at home 6-7 Dman who is ready willing and able to mix it up in more ways than one.

We get him for less money than we were paying Fistric.

Eakins knows what he's getting.

I'm probably leaving something out but that's the gist of it.

Oh yeah....he's 6'4" 220

Nothing ventured, nothing gained, as they say.

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#194 toprightcorner
January 31 2014, 04:53PM
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Joe Mamma wrote:

This is a super mature discussion. What are you, 12?

What did I make up? Show me where I made anything up. Quote it. What disproved my point that Fistric isn't worth 2 mil? YOU JUST AGREED WITH MY POINT! Good lord, is it Idiot Day on the nation?

Feel free to go climb back under the bridge, Troll.

I know I should just ignore you but I cant let you remain under the delusion that you didn't try to use stats to make your point when the actual stats contradict your argument.

you wrote "What were Fistric's stats last year (Points, +/-, Corsi, Fenwick, etc.)? He was an inneffective 6-7 defensemen or worse"

implying Fitric ranked terrible in these areas and thats why I corrected you in comment 198

Fistric ranked 2nd in +/- last year, lead defense in Corsi and in hits per game. He also led the team in blocked shots per minute played so Fenwick is irrelevant. In fact his stats show he was an effective bottom pairing defenseman.

You tried to use these stats to prove Fistric was ineffective where he played, when they actually show the opposite.

This, my friend, is called MAKING THINGS UP, as you call it. If you want to use stats to make your point at least respect the readers by looking them up first.

So, I admitted my oversight with Fistrics salary demands as soon as you pointed them out and even corrected that post as to not mislead others.

You then called me out when I said you made up stats to prove your point and wanted me to quote you, which I did above.

The question is are you going to be a man and admit it or are you going to run upstairs and cry to Joe Mamma.

What will you do?

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#195 DisappointedFan
January 31 2014, 05:04PM
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@Walter Sobchak

See my major problem with this trade is that it is taking the spot of guys who could "try-out" for next year. (Fedun/Klefbom/Gernat)Unless MacT is doing this because he doesn't want to see them and would rather they take the Barons to a "successful" playoff run.

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#196 Naky
January 31 2014, 05:33PM
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To all those saying that the Oilers gave up on Harti, allow me to ask why it is that you feel free to assume that the Oilers didn't have discussions with Teemu's agent and/or the player himself throughout the year to get a feel of his mindset of playing for the Oilers in the future? Perhaps he wanted to move on. If that's the case, the asset's gone sour and it's best to move him for a decent return before it goes public.

So in other words, stop assuming that the Oilers didn't do their best to convince him and consider that maybe it was the player himself that had no intentions of coming back. Until we know otherwise, it's just as valid a consideration as the opposite.

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#197 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 05:36PM
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Spydyr wrote:

If Fraser kicks the crap out of the next player to run the goalie.It is a good trade in my book.

No one stands up for the goalie here since Smid was dealt.

Hey Spydyr,

Agreed. I agree that Smid was a physical presence and did stick up for his teammates....but I wish he was a lot meaner....and I really can't remember any good Smid fights. Don't get me wrong..it is .not obvious why you move a semi physical Dman when your D is so soft......but the reason I don't really miss him, besides the 3.5 mil, is that he wasn't mean and he didn't drop them often enough.

I'm reading that Fraser is 6'4" 220 and is a pri@k ! And he's more than willing to mix it up in more ways than one. If true....we win that trade.

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#198 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 05:49PM
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Spydyr wrote:

They also freed up another roster spot and by the looks of things J.J. took Harti's job anyhow.

J.J. looks better to me .

If he can stay healthy JJ looks better to me too.

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#199 toprightcorner
January 31 2014, 06:30PM
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Spydyr wrote:

They also freed up another roster spot and by the looks of things J.J. took Harti's job anyhow.

J.J. looks better to me .

I knew Edmonton had Hartis rights but didnt know he took up a contract spot as well, that itself is good news.

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#200 Arius Mumin
January 31 2014, 08:19PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Fair point DF....but it is entirely possible that Nick Schultz, Potter, and maybe even Belov get moved at the deadline....leaving room for call ups of young guys...and a guy like Fraser to stick up for them. Let's hope anyway.

I don't believe the Oilers will trade Belov. He will start next season as an Oiler, there is no reason to get rid of him-and there is no reason not to give him more time.

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