Oilers acquire Mark Fraser from Toronto

Jonathan Willis
January 31 2014 09:06AM

TSN's Darren Dreger reports that the Oilers have added some size to their blue line, adding Mark Fraser from Toronto.

What The Oilers Sent Away

The players going the other way in the deal were both outside of the organization's plans, so the cost on this isn't especially dear.

Teemu Hartikainen is having a pretty good season in Russia and has to be the guy the Leafs were interested in on this deal. He's a big winger with some skill who couldn't do much in 23 NHL games last season with the Oilers; he wasn't interested in staying in the organization on a two-way deal and so he went off to Russia. I've been told down the line that this isn't a player that Edmonton really had plans for, but that doesn't mean he might not break out with the Leafs. 

Cameron Abney, the other guy in the trade, has negative value; he's an ECHL enforcer taking up a spot on Edmonton's 50-man list. In the Oilers' organization he was passed as a player by Erick Lizon (currently with the CHL's Wichita Thunder). 

What the Oilers Added

Everybody hoping Edmonton would add a big, physical defenceman for the third pair got their wish today.

Fraser is listed at 6'4", 220 pounds. He has had three fights in the NHL this season; last year he had nine fights in the majors and eight in the AHL. He's a stay-at-home defenceman who plays a throwback style; the new Theo Peckham on Edmonton's blue line. 

As for what he is as a player? Theo Peckham isn't far-off as a comparison there, either. Fraser has struggled badly this year, with regular partners Paul Ranger and Morgan Rielly both faring better without him than with him. Of interest, though, is the way he and Cody Franson played together last season, and the way his regular partners in New Jersey (primarily Andy Greene and Johnny Oduya) played with and without him. He has had a measure of success in the NHL before, even if he isn't enjoying that this season.

For the time being the pending unrestricted free agent can provide the Oilers with physical play in the six/seven slot and provide the Oilers with a warm body if they choose to move other free agents like Anton Belov or Nick Schultz or Corey Potterat the deadline. He has familiarity with Dallas Eakins from time spent with the Marlies, so he should slot in to the Oilers system with relative ease, and his skillset is a nice fit alongside any of Potter, Philip Larsen or Taylor Fedun on that bottom pair.

This is a small trade, but it adds a dimension the Oilers were lacking at the cost of players the team didn't really care about anyway. The player with the most potential to be an NHL difference-maker went to Toronto, but Hartikainen wasn't going to be that guy in Edmonton and the trade market for 'tweeners who want one-way deals isn't as robust as it could be. 

Update - via @Steve_Dangle of Leafs Nation comes this Hockey Night in Canada segment on Fraser:

Additionally, Jeff Veillette - who covered Fraser in person when Fraser played for the AHL's Toronto Marlies - wrote a piece on the trade for Leafs Nation.

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#251 A-Mc
January 31 2014, 02:09PM
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@Will

If Yandle was ever an option for the Oilers, i'd love to have him. He's good enough for my hockey drafts so he's good enough for the Oilers!

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#252 Shredder
January 31 2014, 02:10PM
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gcw_rocks wrote:

Hendricks, Gazdic, and Fraser are all hard to play against?

Three of those guys are replacement level players, two of which can barely play hockey and one who can't. The are hard to play against how? The dirty looks they give all the players who skate around them?

Ference is fast approaching the time where d-men of his type fall off a cliff, but he is under contract for 3 more years with a NMC.

I find your lack of faith disturbing...pray I don't alter the deal further.

Seriously though, you don't like his moves? I have 2 words for you: BEN SCRIVENS!

Go ahead, say "it was only one game" - name a goalie who's done that for the Oilers in the last few years?

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#253 Dog Train
January 31 2014, 02:12PM
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Considering that we added an NHL player for a soon -to-be beer league player and a self-entitled player who was never going to play us, I would say this is a solid trade. Mactavish certainly isn't sitting on his hands doing nothing. My guess is that the deals he makes before the deadline will mostly be selling off veterans to recoup some draft picks. We need to add to the group of players that make the most difference (top 6 forwards, top 4 D) but my guess is that those kind of moves won't come until the off-season.

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#254 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 02:14PM
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Joe Mamma wrote:

Pretty sure he still has two years left on his current deal.

Right you are. Thank you. He is under contract for two more years after this year at $7.15 million per season. And he has a limited No Trade clause in his contract. According to Cap Geek he can provide the Panthers with a list of 8 teams that he WIIL accept a trade to.

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#255 Joy S. Lee
January 31 2014, 02:31PM
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rickithebear wrote:

JW: Fraser is a box protection Dman. The league average success rate of shots: 0-10 ft 17-18% are goals 10-20 ft 23-24% are goals 20-30 ft 8-9% >30 ft 3-4% Box dmen protect 20 ft in. 20-30 ft is a shared responsibility D and Fwds > 30 ft is about forwrds.

Strong defenceses like BOS, LA have great box protection D who limit the shots inside 20 ft to 30% or less. They have physical and lane dominate Dmen who reduce the success rate of the shots inside 20ft.(the box)

An elite Dman like Chara allows 14% or less success rate for shots inside 20 ft plus there are less than 30% shots from inside 20 ft.

Mark Fraser faces 3rd comp and shows signs of an elite box protection Dman. he gives up less than 14% success rate for shots inside 20 ft. he has an inside 20ft shot rate of 28%.

As a result in his time in NJ and 1st year in TOR he was a top 30 EVGA Dman. Yes against 3rd comp. but that gives flexibilty to the top pairs to be less elite on EVGA.

He was top 30 both years he played PK on D.

Mark Fistric and potter were the best EVGA D pair in the game.1.57EVGA/60 we tried to sign fistric to a 3 yr 1.25M contract. Anahiem got him he is a 1.9 GA/60 Dman. they extended him to a 3 year contract.

Fistric left and our 3rd pair is 3.17 Ga/60 .74g/gm versus .44g /gm last year.

.30 increase in team GA.

fraser 2 years nj and first in TOR 1.67EVGA/60; 1.65EVGA/60; 2.33 EVGA/60

we sure could use that.

That's really interesting, and something I never would have known if not for your posting.

I really appreciate new insights into the game, and this is one of them, thanks. Sure a different tune than some who call him a minor-league plug.

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#256 pkam
January 31 2014, 02:34PM
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Zarny wrote:

Keep in mind the 2nd year of that expensive deal coincides with the 1st year of Yak's next contract.

As well, MacT is not going to get all of the pieces required by next season. He's going to be looking for more pieces in 2015-2016.

I agree you can't have blinders on looking for perfection but Campbell's cap hit could be a serious hindrance to adding other required players give he's not the ideal D the Oilers need.

If the price to get him is cheap, I am not too worry about his 7.1M contract.

If Pens can afford 7.25 for Letang and Leafs can afford 7M on Phaneuf, why can't we afford 7.1M for Campbell? Worst case scenario, sign Yak to a one year bridge contract.

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#257 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 02:39PM
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@Joy S. Lee

Ricki the Bear does some amazing work digging up this kind of analytical material. I usually have to read it twice and even then I have no way of assessing how meaningful it is....but at face value Rickis stuff is fascinating....he always brings a different perspective.

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#258 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 02:45PM
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Zarny wrote:

Keep in mind the 2nd year of that expensive deal coincides with the 1st year of Yak's next contract.

As well, MacT is not going to get all of the pieces required by next season. He's going to be looking for more pieces in 2015-2016.

I agree you can't have blinders on looking for perfection but Campbell's cap hit could be a serious hindrance to adding other required players give he's not the ideal D the Oilers need.

You're right that managing a roster in the cap era is more like completing a Rubix Cube than it is a two dimensional board game. At the two dimensional level, I was thinking that all the expiring contracts we have which is about ten I think, and the increase in the Cap for next year would accommodate a couple of $7 mil contracts and Yak, but I could be wrong...really I haven't done the math.

Edit: just had a quick look...we actually have 16 contracts expiring at the of this season.

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#259 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 03:04PM
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Zarny wrote:

Keep in mind the 2nd year of that expensive deal coincides with the 1st year of Yak's next contract.

As well, MacT is not going to get all of the pieces required by next season. He's going to be looking for more pieces in 2015-2016.

I agree you can't have blinders on looking for perfection but Campbell's cap hit could be a serious hindrance to adding other required players give he's not the ideal D the Oilers need.

Doing a quick add, it looks like you are correct Zarny. The numbers are tight.

In the last year of Campbell's contract, assuming we sign Yak to something like a two year bridge deal at $5 million a year, with our current roster minus Hemmer we will be spending approx $42 million on the forwards, $16 million on Defense, and $3 million on Goaltending. Total approx $61 million against a projected $70 mill cap.

Of course, this does not include paying for a #1 Goalie or a 1-2 Dman like Campbell

So is we add in $7 mil for Campbell and an additional $5 mil for Goaltending then subtract Gags $5 mil.....it all looks doable...we'd be in around $68 mil

But like I said, mine is a very simplistic 2 dimensional view of things.

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#260 The Real Scuba Steve
January 31 2014, 03:08PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

I agree with the notion that the Oilers need to add a top pairing Defenseman. Until they do, they will be on the outside looking in.

That said, i do like the direction MacT has been heading with his personnel moves. Perron, Hendricks, Gazdic, Fraser, Ference, and Gordon are all hard to play against.

The experiments are all on one year deals: Grebby, Belov, Scrivens and Bryzgalov. If any of them work out it's a bonus, if not they are gone.

I've been impressed.

Agreed but MacT has to make the jump for seasoned stud defensemen, I know It is an impossible acquisition for the Oilers but that is what makes a G.M. Lowe did it in 2006, MacT has to pull lighting out of his ass, or else we going to way of the Islanders and Thrashers and our owner doesn't look like he cares.

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#261 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 03:09PM
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northof51 wrote:

Whoa... I was reading through the comments and had to make sure I wasn't over at TSN. I'm going to get torched for saying this, but at the moment I'm embarrassed to be a card-carrying member of Oilers Nation.

Easy fix....pull up your panties and turn in your card.

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#262 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 03:21PM
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northof51 wrote:

I thought you were better than that. Guess I was wrong.

Reading your measured response to my comment has made me reconsider my response. You're right...I should be better than that....clearly you are.....I think I misinterpreted your comment...my apologies.

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#263 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 03:25PM
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me wrote:

No way...was I that obvious?...whats really funny is that guys take their posting and "discussions" on here serious and even the most obvious troll still elicits a response cause they think this is a place that should be taken seriously.

Are you serious?

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#264 Will
January 31 2014, 03:37PM
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Hmmm, team is slowly getting big and tough. Anyone think Steve Downie could play top six minutes on the wing? Maybe then trade one of the wonder kids for a top 2 D man?

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#265 Johnnydapunk
January 31 2014, 03:44PM
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I'm not gonna start any fires with anyone here, but I think it's not a bad trade. What he brings is some size, he is a defensive defenceman, and a bit of grit which does help the Oil a lot. What he also has is 2 other things which aren't as easy to always get. He has a fire in his belly to prove something, he sees this as a chance to get his career on track with the Oil (that's a key) and he is loyal to Eakins so if he turns out alright, I don't think he will be that pricey to resign.

Whilst this isn't a three way deal to get Subban and Weber for a 4th round pick, Will Acton and Grebs, it's still a not bad trade. It addresses a tiny bit of what the Oil need so I am fine with that.

I'm sure some will disagree, but MacT is not doing half bad with what he has got. He is trying to make deals and it seems like it takes a noticeable event for MacT to pull the trigger, when Gagner got his face broken, he signed Big Mac and when he got hurt, he found Gazdic, when Dubnyk pooped the bed too many times, he signed the Bryz, when Barbs did the same, he got rid of him, and when Bryz wasn't the answer, he went for Scrivens.

MacT is trying, and it seems like he is putting in an effort in, 8 out of 20 trades have involved the Oil,this season, that's an effort. Fair play for trying.

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#266 2004Z06
January 31 2014, 03:47PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Doing a quick add, it looks like you are correct Zarny. The numbers are tight.

In the last year of Campbell's contract, assuming we sign Yak to something like a two year bridge deal at $5 million a year, with our current roster minus Hemmer we will be spending approx $42 million on the forwards, $16 million on Defense, and $3 million on Goaltending. Total approx $61 million against a projected $70 mill cap.

Of course, this does not include paying for a #1 Goalie or a 1-2 Dman like Campbell

So is we add in $7 mil for Campbell and an additional $5 mil for Goaltending then subtract Gags $5 mil.....it all looks doable...we'd be in around $68 mil

But like I said, mine is a very simplistic 2 dimensional view of things.

Don't forget to remove the salary of the player(s) that will have to go to Florida to get Campbell. The cap will be 71 mil next year and at least 76 mil the following. There is lots of room.

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#267 wergy
January 31 2014, 03:51PM
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me wrote:

Who really cares what you think? Who are you? Nobody.

That seems a little mean. Why would he say that? I don't get that at all.

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#268 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 03:56PM
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Who really cares what you think? Who are you? Nobody.

Hey, is that you me? And by me I mean me, not me. Me cares what me thinks. Me is me. Me is not a nobody?........or is he?....uh I mean me....

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#269 Wow
January 31 2014, 04:00PM
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me wrote:

NO...you are you to me.

Uh-oh ... I'm gonna need a chart...

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#270 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 04:00PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Don't forget to remove the salary of the player(s) that will have to go to Florida to get Campbell. The cap will be 71 mil next year and at least 76 mil the following. There is lots of room.

I hope you're right because if you are then things look pretty good on the financial part of the equation.

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#271 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 04:01PM
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Wow wrote:

Uh-oh ... I'm gonna need a chart...

Ok ...that's allowed...as long as it's not CORSI or Fenwick.

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#272 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 04:03PM
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me wrote:

NO...you are you to me.

Don't bring you into this.......you is on second!

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#273 Zarny
January 31 2014, 04:10PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Doing a quick add, it looks like you are correct Zarny. The numbers are tight.

In the last year of Campbell's contract, assuming we sign Yak to something like a two year bridge deal at $5 million a year, with our current roster minus Hemmer we will be spending approx $42 million on the forwards, $16 million on Defense, and $3 million on Goaltending. Total approx $61 million against a projected $70 mill cap.

Of course, this does not include paying for a #1 Goalie or a 1-2 Dman like Campbell

So is we add in $7 mil for Campbell and an additional $5 mil for Goaltending then subtract Gags $5 mil.....it all looks doable...we'd be in around $68 mil

But like I said, mine is a very simplistic 2 dimensional view of things.

Yeah I have only taken a cursory glance at the numbers for 2015-16 and of course we don't know what the cap will actually be.

I think it's fair to say the current roster minus Hemmer + Campbell and a #1 G isn't enough.

With Campbell's weaknesses I still see a need for a 2D that plays physical and cheats towards defense. And I see subtracting Gagner's $4.8M as a shell game since he'll have to be replaced.

Perhaps younger, economical players get those jobs done but if they don't and the Oilers are tight to the cap MacT's hands are tied.

As a player Campbell is better than we have and a good option, but I want nothing to do with that contract. Too much risk.

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#274 Wow
January 31 2014, 04:10PM
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me wrote:

I admitted I was a troll..but why does it actually bother you?...I do really think if u take ur posting serious u really are a loser...im getting paid while getting entertained by your reactions so it's even funnier to me...does this place give you the sense of belonging to part of a team u have nothing to do with?

Kinda.

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#275 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 04:17PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

Quit being mean and nasty to each other. We are all fans on the loser bus together, but that doesn't mean we all have to act like losers. Agree or disagree with the trade, and discuss the GM who made the trade, and discuss the similar players we sent packing. But drop the nasty please.

The worst part about the Oilers losing has been the way the fans are turning into a pack of rabid dogs and ripping everything Oiler, even the good stuff, and then ripping on every fan who dares to say something good about the team.

Obscure Reference Alert

You know Bucknuck, as strange as this sounds...what you're pointing to is a big part of the dynamic that occurred in Nazi Germany...where good people were scared or worried about speaking out and some good people were drawn into the rabid dog fever of the mob mentality. Obviously not an appropriate analogy for what happened here, as such a comparison is silly, but in a small way the parallels do actually exist.

Edit: and I didn't get your name wrong...it was an autocorrect....Apple thinks you should be Bucknut

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#276 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 04:22PM
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me wrote:

I admitted I was a troll..but why does it actually bother you?...I do really think if u take ur posting serious u really are a loser...im getting paid while getting entertained by your reactions so it's even funnier to me...does this place give you the sense of belonging to part of a team u have nothing to do with?

Just curious me....what are you a part of?......and by me I mean me not me....uh..you know what I mean...

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#277 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 04:26PM
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@Zarny

Is the risk that bothers you the risk of the overspend bringing us up against the cap and thereby limiting our future options? Or, the risk of the player himself?

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#278 pkam
January 31 2014, 04:46PM
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Ari Gold wrote:

Is this Fraser guy any good? I have a feeling he's just a bigger, dumber version of Corey Potter with no offensive upside.

He does 2 things at least. He hits anything that is moving, like Fistric. And he drops the gloves better than Smid. And he only costs 1.2M. And he costs us nothing to acquire.

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#279 Bucknuck
January 31 2014, 04:52PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Obscure Reference Alert

You know Bucknuck, as strange as this sounds...what you're pointing to is a big part of the dynamic that occurred in Nazi Germany...where good people were scared or worried about speaking out and some good people were drawn into the rabid dog fever of the mob mentality. Obviously not an appropriate analogy for what happened here, as such a comparison is silly, but in a small way the parallels do actually exist.

Edit: and I didn't get your name wrong...it was an autocorrect....Apple thinks you should be Bucknut

One could make a case that Apple is right! :-)

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#280 michael
January 31 2014, 04:54PM
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Anyone catch Darren Dregers tweet about tweet about The Rangers Ryan Callahan's agent being allowed to talk to another team regarding his client?

MacT in on that?

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#281 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 04:56PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

One could make a case that Apple is right! :-)

Lol !

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#282 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 05:04PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

How can you say he cost nothing to acquire?

A-why trade Smid?

B-why let Fistric go?

C-Why are you giving the rights to Hartikianen away for free?

This trade again makes little sense, and you gave a functioning, useful prospect away for free!

A) 3.5 Million Dollars

B). Demanded an overpay at $2 million per

C) it wasn't quite free, but for the sake of argument, free was market value.

I'm not being snide, I do get where you're coming from. I don't think it's a clear cut decision on either side of the argument, which usually indicates that it was in the neighbourhood of a fair deal.

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#283 Naky
January 31 2014, 05:04PM
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Abney being included was an awfully nice gesture from the Oilers towards him. They knew they weren't going to renew him so they allowed him to get a fresh start in a new organization that didn't mind taking a flyer on him for the remainder of his ELC. This deal is essentially TH for Fraser. A player who didn't want to play for the Oilers for a player that has something to prove and has already proven it under a coach. In terms of asset management, this is a pretty good trade. It's not BOLD, but we got a potential useful part for two parts that weren't ever going to be useful.

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#284 DisappointedFan
January 31 2014, 05:05PM
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@DisappointedFan

Or at least try and get into the playoffs.

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#285 Johnnydapunk
January 31 2014, 05:06PM
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me wrote:

Who really cares what you think? Who are you? Nobody.

Is this the part where I'm supposed to be all upset by a child using his mommys computer?

Meh, if you think that, I'm not phased, if you need to say things like that to make yourself feel important or better, fair enough. Things like that make it pretty clear that you weren't loved enough and can only feel a sense of power hiding behind a keyboard trying to insult other people.

Whatever floats your boat smallboy :-)

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#286 Walter Sobchak
January 31 2014, 05:11PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

A) 3.5 Million Dollars

B). Demanded an overpay at $2 million per

C) it wasn't quite free, but for the sake of argument, free was market value.

I'm not being snide, I do get where you're coming from. I don't think it's a clear cut decision on either side of the argument, which usually indicates that it was in the neighbourhood of a fair deal.

Completely agree on Fistric, so that's my bad! Fistric is a bad example, I'll concede that.

Smid would be more relevant, to be brutally honest with I'm not a Hartiakinen fan ether.

However, I can still see value in him, just like I saw value in Brodziak, might not have been part of the concept then, but look at him go! It's all good man, this is what this place is for, good debate, great opinions, we all want the same thing, Oilers to get better.

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#287 Walter Sobchak
January 31 2014, 05:16PM
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DisappointedFan wrote:

See my major problem with this trade is that it is taking the spot of guys who could "try-out" for next year. (Fedun/Klefbom/Gernat)Unless MacT is doing this because he doesn't want to see them and would rather they take the Barons to a "successful" playoff run.

Valid!

I would far rather Klefbom get some time up playing with the big club, get him use to the systems Eakins wants now so it's not so foreign when training camp opens next season.

By the time the Oilers season ends Klefbom will be ready for the Barons run, similar to what they did with Paajarvi & Lander.

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#288 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 31 2014, 05:21PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Not to point something obvious out as well, but Hartiakinen is 22 years old having a terrific season in the KHL playing a tone of minutes.

Should we completely give up on all 22 year old prospects by the logic "he was never going to part of the equation here" or is it not incumbent on this organization to see development through?

Cause I can give you a list as long as your arm about the "doesn't fit the equation" here of players the Oilers washed away with that same logic.

Not trying to be a prick here, but is this not a huge issue with this org?

All fair questions Wes. And I get that you're pointing out a pattern here. I'm just saying that so far the reaction while mixed seems to be considerably more positive than negative. I get your point that that doesn't make it right.

I liked Fistric, but I didn't know he demanded two million. Not sure what the market was for Smid but maybe his contract was viewed as prohibitive by some teams? Maybe Broissoit and Horak was market value? I mean really, what else makes sense? Dumping Abneys contract was clearly a plus. So for me that leaves Hartikainen.....and you're point about being 22 is a reasonable question...my guess is 1) they think they gave him a fair shot and he didn't make the cut, combined with he wouldn't accept a two way deal, combined with I'm sure they shopped him and like Linus Omark, their were few, in fact maybe only one taker. Do you have an alternative explanation that makes sense?

Edit: Agreed Wes. It is all good....it is why we're here.

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#289 Spydyr
January 31 2014, 05:23PM
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If Fraser kicks the crap out of the next player to run the goalie.It is a good trade in my book.

No one stands up for the goalie here since Smid was dealt.

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#290 camdog
January 31 2014, 05:37PM
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Nice to get some nasty on the d. It's been embarassing watching this team get pushed around for much of the season. I still don't understand why Mact got rid of the toughness to start the season, looks like he has admitted he was wrong.

You can't bring up kids and expect them to physically compete against men over an 82 game NHL schedule, without having some muscle to help and protect the kids.

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#291 vetinari
January 31 2014, 06:36PM
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toprightcorner wrote:

I knew Edmonton had Hartis rights but didnt know he took up a contract spot as well, that itself is good news.

It was the other guy who took up the roster space... Harti's rights don't count against the 50 man contract list. We also unloaded a ECHL fighter who didn't likely have a chance to ever see the NHL in the process.

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#292 toprightcorner
January 31 2014, 06:50PM
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vetinari wrote:

It was the other guy who took up the roster space... Harti's rights don't count against the 50 man contract list. We also unloaded a ECHL fighter who didn't likely have a chance to ever see the NHL in the process.

Thanx for confirming, thats what I thought so we didnt gain a contract spot but we didnt add one either.

Thanks again

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#293 ToppsSmith
January 31 2014, 07:14PM
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I'll just add this about Fistric. He asked for 2 mil o he didn't have to be an Oiler. You really want him on your team? I don't.

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#294 KSC10032
January 31 2014, 07:41PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

There was once this player that really hadn't done much at the NHL level. He was a big bodied tough as nails defenceman that was past his prospect due date (26 yrs old). He played for Toronto, and his skating was suspect and no one was expecting much.

Jason Smith was his name.

Now I am not saying this guy is Jason Smith, I'm just saying that a tough as nails all heart defenceman is something this team needs, and you never know what can happen when a player gets a new start.

A decent analogy, although only time will tell just how much upside young Fraser will eventually display.

The same circumstances -- almost exactly -- also apply to the acquisition of one Craig Muni, who was also a Leafs castoff.

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#295 michael
January 31 2014, 07:44PM
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The Ryan Callahan trade rumors are interesting especially if they involve the Leafs. Kadri's name is out there. The Leafs would need to dump more salary though. Wonder if we could pry a player like Franson out of the Leaf. That buyout now has a lot more value to the Oilers now than it did back in July. Could bring us a meaningful player.Hopefully the fallout if it happens favors the Oilers.

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#296 KSC10032
January 31 2014, 08:10PM
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A decent analogy, although only time will tell just how much upside young Fraser will eventually display.

The same circumstances -- almost exactly -- also apply to the acquisition of one Craig Muni, who was also a Leafs castoff.

Sorry. I didn't realize that another poster had already mentioned this. My bad. I'll read to the end before replying, in future.

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#297 Rick Stroppel
January 31 2014, 08:38PM
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Wonger wrote:

Oiler fans are going to love FRASER.....Fraser, Hendricks..... Thank You MACT....thank you...thank you.....thank you!!!!!!!EXACTLY WHAT THIS TEAM NEEDS!!!!!Thank You!!!!! Keep going....Simmonds????, etc...

VERY ENTHUSIASTIC....AND SOMEWHAT SUSPICIOUS

I have reason to believe that "Josh Oiler" is posting again under a different name.

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#298 Rod from Viking
January 31 2014, 09:18PM
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On a different note, great to see the Canucks lose again. I wish Mac T could have made a deal with Winnipeg before they changed coaches. I find it funny how so many so called Oiler fans can do nothing but ridicule every move made by the Oilers management, Hartikainen did not impress me at all, he knew what it would take to make the NHL team and would not do it consistently and then bolted to the KHL, "he was not willing to do what it takes and the Leaf's wont pay him what he is making now. If nothing else Fraser will defend the front of the net and his team mates for the rest of this year.

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#299 Manfly
January 31 2014, 09:37PM
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Naky wrote:

To all those saying that the Oilers gave up on Harti, allow me to ask why it is that you feel free to assume that the Oilers didn't have discussions with Teemu's agent and/or the player himself throughout the year to get a feel of his mindset of playing for the Oilers in the future? Perhaps he wanted to move on. If that's the case, the asset's gone sour and it's best to move him for a decent return before it goes public.

So in other words, stop assuming that the Oilers didn't do their best to convince him and consider that maybe it was the player himself that had no intentions of coming back. Until we know otherwise, it's just as valid a consideration as the opposite.

you should read the bickering and whining at Copper and Blue over this trade....it will make your head spin!!!

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#300 40 Double D (tier 1 wannabe)
January 31 2014, 11:34PM
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How can the Oilers hope to improve when they keep trading for former Leaf players... that franchise has been mired in mediocrity for several decades.

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