SAM GAGNER'S NAME "OUT THERE"

Lowetide
January 04 2014 05:10PM

During tonight's Hotstove portion of the HNIC pre-game, Elliotte Friedman told the nation "Sam Gagner's name is out there" and suggested the Oilers would find him a place he'd be comfortable with playing (if a transaction were to be completed). It sounds very much like the team and player have decided a move could be made if it fits for all sides, although specifics weren't covered in the brief report.

LATE SEPTEMBER (21st)

Gagner's season went sideways in a hurry one autumn night in Vancouver, and the impact has been felt by player and team all season long. I don't for a minute believe that the Kassian stick incident led us to this day, but it probably hurried it along.

Bottom line: Craig MacTavish has to make plans for next year. He has to ask questions:

  1. Is Dallas Eakins the coach of next year's team?
  2. Do the Oilers need to improve up the middle?
  3. Has Mark Arcobello done enough to make Gagner expendable?
  4. Will the organization have the same number of similar talents in the top 6F next season?
  5. Can they get value for Gagner?
  6. Is Gagner a part of the future with Eakins in charge?

Those are tough questions, but the news today suggests that they exist in the organization and Sam Gagner (who perhaps Gagner has questions about his future as an Oiler) may be heading out of Edmonton during the season.

What does it all mean? Well, you never get full value in these situations, so prepare to be disappointed with the return. On the other hand, the Oilers will be going to market next summer with more money and will very likely arrive at training camp next fall with a bigger lineup.

We wait.

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#101 Salvation
January 04 2014, 09:22PM
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Roster for next year, if UFA breaks our direction

Hall 6 RNH 6 Ebs 6 - Perron 3.8 P. Stastny 5.5 Yak 3.75 - D Winnik 2.5 Gordon 3 Downie 3 Smyth 1 Arco 1.5 Brad Boyes 2

Ehrhoff 4 Shultz (3x3) Ekblad 3.75 Ference 3.25 Nurse 1.7 Petry 2.75 MAX

=62.5

AROUND 8.5 MILL IN CAP Leave 2.25 for YAK extension (7 years 6 mill if he earns it) Leaves 6.25 for a goalie to GET AND ACTUAL GOALIE!!!! Spend 5 on a goalie 1A and 1.25 goalie B

You're welcome MAC T. What say you nation?

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#102 nick
January 04 2014, 09:22PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Did it ever occur to you that just maybe.......we had the right coach in Krueger all along??

Keeping the wrong coach just because he started a few months ago.......now that's a joke.

excellent post. MacT fired a coach he should not have. All that needs to be said. Keeping a bozo just because is compounding the problem.

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#103 nick
January 04 2014, 09:27PM
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Salvation wrote:

Roster for next year, if UFA breaks our direction

Hall 6 RNH 6 Ebs 6 - Perron 3.8 P. Stastny 5.5 Yak 3.75 - D Winnik 2.5 Gordon 3 Downie 3 Smyth 1 Arco 1.5 Brad Boyes 2

Ehrhoff 4 Shultz (3x3) Ekblad 3.75 Ference 3.25 Nurse 1.7 Petry 2.75 MAX

=62.5

AROUND 8.5 MILL IN CAP Leave 2.25 for YAK extension (7 years 6 mill if he earns it) Leaves 6.25 for a goalie to GET AND ACTUAL GOALIE!!!! Spend 5 on a goalie 1A and 1.25 goalie B

You're welcome MAC T. What say you nation?

One huge thing you overlooked in your little scenario. No UFA is going to sign here unless you overpay an old player like Ference. Edmonton will only be able to attract B and C level free agents so do not ever count on the UFA breaking your direction

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#104 Oil Can
January 04 2014, 09:30PM
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Shopping for LD wrote:

Possible LD shopping list. CHRISTIAN EHRHOFF, DMITRY KULIKOV, MICHAEL DEL ZOTTO, PAUL MARTIN, BRYDON COBURN, ANDREI MARKOV UFA, DAN HAMHUIS. Who is possibly in play? Who is a good fit for XXX?

1st pairing of XXX, Shultz Jr. 2nd pair Ference and Ekblad, 3rd pair Nurse and Petry

Probably not my first choice, but Ehrhoff could be a nice fit there. I'd take Markov on a 3 year deal.

WITH THE RIGHT XXX, I don't mind those pairings. Better than what we're rolling now.

How could anybody who watches the Oilers include J. Shultz as their top pairing D-man?

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#105 Jimmy
January 04 2014, 09:37PM
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I wanted to trade Gagner in 2009-10 for Hanzal. Gagner today ain't worth much.

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#106 Jeffff
January 04 2014, 09:43PM
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The value of all players on the Oilers decreases every year. I feel sorry for players like Gagner so many coaches lost his compete level. It will happen to all the Oilers a couple more years Hall heart will be gone.

This team is a place players go to die. Can't wait to see how many years it will take for Nurse to lose his heart.

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#107 Sam
January 04 2014, 09:47PM
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Perhaps the Oilers could trade Gagner for Smid.

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#108 Jimbo
January 04 2014, 09:55PM
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Oilers are on pace to lose 48 games. Management is still getting paid. Ha Ha Ha

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#109 Serious Gord
January 04 2014, 09:57PM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

Gord, another way another team may look at is almost every player the Oiler's have traded lately has been far better on the next team. With the cap they will have to take back another contract that may be deemed excessive but maybe that player will fit in better here,do you feel the Oil management is starting to feel the heat?

I think it is accurate to say that players who leave the oil on balance do better than they did in EDM. Conversely I think that the opposite has been the case for players coming to EDM (perrons regression of late is a very interesting case that may only just be developing - i had a brief on air chat with rob brown about it after the San Jose game - he may be losing heart working for this coach and this non-team team).

That said while other teams may be making that 'we can resurrect this player' calculation when they look at the possibility of trading with EDM, very little of that valuation will be credited to EDM. I can't envision MacT saying to another GM "gagner's worth more to you than he is to us because your coaches can get more out of him than our wretched staff can, so you need to cough up more on your side to get him".

As for the likely hood of a move in the near future:

I think the pressure is really on MacT to do something. Anyone looking at the schedule can see that the crushing defeats aren't going to end any time soon - pretty-much all the way to the all star break. And as some have noted above, it's very likely that buffalo will pass the oil leaving them in dead-ass last.

The pressure to act is only going to get worse - my guess is the real tipping point will be when the sales dept starts calling season ticket and regular super pack clients to talk about renewing for next year. Can you imagine the kind of calls those are going to be? And the same goes for ad sales and other marketing sales. You have to think they are looking at a lot of resistance and quite possibly some price cutting on the ad side for sure.

Once that negative pressure starts - or just before it (I imagine the marketing guys are already sqwalking about it) They will have to act if only to appear like they will be better next year.

Obviously I think the best action to take is not a trade - but to fire the POHO and the coach. That would really take the pressure off the sales dept.

More likely - if past actions foretell the future we will see a trade of gagner and or hemsky. I think tambo was conservative because Lowe insisted he be that way and that MacT is under similar constraints unless yak becomes a real public irritant and then Lowe (and Katz?) will direct that he be moved.

So yes - I think it very likely we will see something of note happen in the next six weeks. But I am very pessimistic that it will be something of significant long term benefit.

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#110 Kr55
January 04 2014, 10:00PM
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Jimbo wrote:

Oilers are on pace to lose 48 games. Management is still getting paid. Ha Ha Ha

so you're telling me you're impatient after ONLY 4 years of King Lowe's genius master plan???

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#111 Seth
January 04 2014, 10:04PM
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Kevin Lowe's definition of "winning" is completely different then any other person on earth.

Inigo Montoya: Kevin you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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#112 Rod from Viking
January 04 2014, 10:17PM
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@Serious Gord

I know how my renewal call is going to go. I think the corporations are finding clients are not really enthused about going to games anymore and hopefully will be looking for a better "PR" investment. I wonder if people are taking their names of the waiting list. As far as buddy Bob Stauffer goes I bet this is driving him crazy trying to defend this nightmare.

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#113 Maddy
January 04 2014, 10:19PM
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@Salvation

i love your optism, and love the choices you chose for players!! but by end of next year yak wouldn't have earned 6 million..around 4 will be good, but i like that you went and put stastny and winnik and downie...3 guys with size and talent!! i like the boyes depth signing as well

buttt i wouldn't resign ryan smyth, id leave that spot open for maybe travis ewanyk if hess ready maybe mitch moroz...its been trashed a lot but i like the idea you got going...ehrhoff.....lets only hope we can snag him!

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#114 Oiler Al
January 04 2014, 10:23PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

Some real comedians posting here today. Speaking of packages... Umm actually never mind.. May be some kids reading this.

Josh, for a 6 year old, your typing isn't that bad.

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#115 Dave
January 04 2014, 10:31PM
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I agree with Serious - the poor play has already impacted all sorts of revenue streams. Fans and sponsors had hope at the start of the year and now the hope is gone... in fact the whole situation reminds me the the last days of the Pocklington regime. I could go to a game and pick my seat at the game.

The easiest way to gain hope is a whole scale coaching change during the Olympic break. Trading Sam would help the team but would not restore hope. Fans and sponsors need hope.

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#116 Serious Gord
January 04 2014, 10:34PM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

I know how my renewal call is going to go. I think the corporations are finding clients are not really enthused about going to games anymore and hopefully will be looking for a better "PR" investment. I wonder if people are taking their names of the waiting list. As far as buddy Bob Stauffer goes I bet this is driving him crazy trying to defend this nightmare.

I think bob is in agony over how bad this organization is. I also think that he knows that the issues begin and end with Lowe. And that there is very little evidence that Katz has the guts to fire him.

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#117 Hockey fan 1976
January 04 2014, 10:37PM
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On a different note, it's nice to watch a real hockey game with real NHL players battling tonight on HNIC. Wow. Crazy how far the Oilers are from ever competing with the Kings/Ducks/Sharks of the NHL.

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#118 forsoothed
January 04 2014, 10:38PM
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To heck with an actual NHL player, I think we'll be lucky to get a 2nd round pick back for Gagner straight up. He's massively underperforming his contract right now.

Classic buy high, sell low move.

This is the kind of crap that should get managers fired.

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#119 Rod from Viking
January 04 2014, 10:45PM
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Hockey fan 1976 wrote:

On a different note, it's nice to watch a real hockey game with real NHL players battling tonight on HNIC. Wow. Crazy how far the Oilers are from ever competing with the Kings/Ducks/Sharks of the NHL.

Watching L.A. come back and beat Vancouver, Quick, Doughty, good players on both sides battling. If only in Edmonton.....

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#120 Serious Gord
January 04 2014, 10:45PM
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Dave wrote:

I agree with Serious - the poor play has already impacted all sorts of revenue streams. Fans and sponsors had hope at the start of the year and now the hope is gone... in fact the whole situation reminds me the the last days of the Pocklington regime. I could go to a game and pick my seat at the game.

The easiest way to gain hope is a whole scale coaching change during the Olympic break. Trading Sam would help the team but would not restore hope. Fans and sponsors need hope.

One aspect regarding seasons ticket holders and regular superpack buyers that is rarely if at all, discussed publically is that many of those holders have for years either broken even or made money selling those tickets in the secondary markets.

Many are writing off the purchase cost and selling and not reporting the sale for cash. If your tax bracket is 38% you can sell them for a pretty hefty discount off the posted price and still be in the black. Many cherry pick the games they want to see and the sell the remainder at enough of a margin that they essentially get to watch for free.

That market has got to be getting rocky. And these "tier one" buyers won't tolerate losses both on ice or from their wallet.

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#121 Dog Train
January 04 2014, 10:46PM
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Sam Gagner is not a good fit for what we need going forward. He could be of use to another team but everybody knows Edmonton is desperate right now. I don't see a big return but the fact is that we will not win with our top 6 currently constructed the way that it is.

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#122 spliff
January 04 2014, 10:51PM
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The Oilers should have thought "outside the box", like they pride themselves on doing, right after Gagner got 8 points in a game last season, when he actually had trade value. I remember reading this blog and several astute posters suggested this right after Gagner's 8 point game. Why would anyone in the league want a non-contact, flyby specialist, defensive nightmare like Gagner?

In the past I have stuck up for Oiler management, and had some faith in the rebuild and believed that the management group, who have spent their whole lives in hockey, actually knew what they were doing. But after the absolute debacle of this season, which I believed to be the most important in franchise history, I have lost all trust and faith in management, coaching, scouting, ownership or anything to do with the sad-sack loser organization which has become the laughing stock of the league. I laugh when MacT constantly says that there are many GMs around the league who would love to have our roster and young stars. Who in their right mind would want what this? Is MacT on crack? Maybe the Oilers have their very own Rob Ford.

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#123 HardBoiledOil
January 04 2014, 11:22PM
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Jimbo wrote:

Oilers are on pace to lose 48 games. Management is still getting paid. Ha Ha Ha

I have posted it here and there on hockey boards about how the Oilers will be lucky to win 25 games this year!

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#124 Westcoastoil
January 04 2014, 11:32PM
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As sick as we the fans are at the constant losing and ineptitude, at least we can change the channel. I'm actually at the point where I feel bad for our good players (as much as you can feel bad for a millionaire). They have to keep coming to the rink to get booed and asskicked night after night with only the witless wonders upstairs in a position to fix the mess. Which by historical evidence they are incapable of doing.

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#125 Serious Gord
January 04 2014, 11:36PM
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HardBoiledOil wrote:

I have posted it here and there on hockey boards about how the Oilers will be lucky to win 25 games this year!

They have only won 9 in regulation so far. There is an outside chance they win fewer than twenty out of 82. Since '68 I'm pretty sure that that is in the top twenty-five for worst win record for a team that still exists.

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#126 I tried it at home
January 04 2014, 11:42PM
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My New Years Resolutions - 1- somehow rip the Edmonton franchise from D. Katz's uncaring, unfeeling hands 2- Thanks for incredibly passionate yet totally unsuccessful management, services no longer required; K.Lowe, C.Mactavish, S.Howson, R. Olczyk, and if anyone named Messier is on the payroll, thanks. Bye. 3- Coaching. Easy enough. Thank you, gentlemen for your your long, long years of being here, but your services are no longer needed. Have a good one, and Bucky, mind signing my sweater before you leave?? (swoon)Oh, hey, Eakins. not so fast. Billy Moores is being brought in for a little chat, without anyone to look over his shoulder, Im curious what he will actually have to say about you. 4- City of Edmonton, people of Northern Alberta, and Oilersnation worldwide. A new, responsible and actually mature approach to working together on a new arena ( no invisible elevators, etc) and an honest commitment to returning to a community minded, proud and visible symbol of our HOME. Not business interst, profit streams, ego projects... OUR HOME.

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#127 Walter Sobchak
January 04 2014, 11:58PM
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MacTavish.

Looking ahead, The Oilers have very little options left; they don’t even leverage on a trade for Gagner, which belongs to Gagner, so if Gagner want to go to the Maple Leafs….well the Oilers options are limited.

I can’t see the Oilers improving their position without massive change, not a player here or there but almost everyone.

The problems I see, MacTavish is viewed by many in the MSM as an intelligent man, after Tambellini, he is a pretty confident, well-spoken man & accommodating compared to Steve.

My issue, and has been from the start of MacTavish as GM is this; MacTavish is the same guy who helped give birth to the rebuild in the first place.

MacTavish body of work so far, most of what he has done has been on the signing and trade front is pretty unremarkable to incomprehensible.

He failed pre-draft in my estimate to move up in the draft secure a center (Monahan), this would have given him the leverage to move Gagner.

He failed to land a starting goalie, even after offering Vancouver an overpayment for Schneider.

He did the most alarming change in my mind by firing Krueger and hiring Eakins, this is what I would consider the arrogance & entitlement of the position he inherited.

Krueger had the Oilers in the hunt for a playoff position playing with a weaker team on paper & playing tougher comp, had Tambellini reacted sooner…..well we can’t judge what if’s.

I’m not buying the rookie coach thing ether, look at TB record with young kids and first year players.

While overpaying for Ference & Gordon, I thought these were actually really good support signings; Eakins & MacTavish have viewed these signing differently, both play above what their roles would be on any other team.

MacTavish went out, got no size, no talent, and no center depth, He talked about viewing Grebeshkov, Belov (the best defensemen not in the NHL) He talked about viewing Klefbom once and told the scout he’d seen enough to know.

Which brings me to a bigger question, from coach to GM & the players that left town during his time with the Oilers, is it a fair assessment his view on talent ranks extremely low?

Let’s bring in young Yakupov now, a good GM would have intervened by now, instead we get to watch the Oilers mishandle yet another young player; ask yourselves, have we seen this before with this management team?

The only way we can judge this is by results, (he actually said this during his presser) well, after 40 games the team is trending backwards, its regressing in every facet of the game, and the team needs still remain the same as the day he took over. The Oilers still need center depth, (mostly to take some heat off an 20 year old kid RNH, so he can learn and develop at an easier pace, nothing like sinking or swimming) A viable replacement for Gagner.

I’m going to throw this out there too; while Tambellini was not a good GM, he at least gave MacTavish the tools to use to get better, it’s not like MacTavish walked into his own mess & was told to clean it up, Tambellini cleaned up most of MacTavish’s & Lowe’s mess up.

So what can MacTavish do? The mess this team is in, the only real solution would bepicks prospects & anyone not named RNH or Hall has to be traded for this team to be competitive & that still might not be enough.

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#128 Woogie63
January 05 2014, 12:02AM
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Lots of talk of firing Lowe, but WHO replaces him. The President of hockey operations is critical to the vision and the standard for the team for the next ten years. It is one thing to hate on Lowe, but getting the highest quality to replace him may not be that easy.

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#129 Cynic
January 05 2014, 12:13AM
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Either the Oilers are taking back a similarly useless player with a similarly outrageous salary (and contract length) or the Oilers are topping up the deal with a pick. In any city where the media weren't completely nut-gobblers for team management, they'd be writing colummns about how Gagner should be a buyout candidate. In other words: all cost, no return.

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#130 Serious Gord
January 05 2014, 12:30AM
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Woogie63 wrote:

Lots of talk of firing Lowe, but WHO replaces him. The President of hockey operations is critical to the vision and the standard for the team for the next ten years. It is one thing to hate on Lowe, but getting the highest quality to replace him may not be that easy.

There are plenty of candidates out there. The list begins but does not end with every GM in the nhl. Jetissoning Lowe now gives a search team several months to find the best of the bunch.

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#131 RexHolez
January 05 2014, 12:42AM
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Woogie63 wrote:

Lots of talk of firing Lowe, but WHO replaces him. The President of hockey operations is critical to the vision and the standard for the team for the next ten years. It is one thing to hate on Lowe, but getting the highest quality to replace him may not be that easy.

Replace him? His job is a made up title. There is no replacing needed, just need him gone

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#132 Andrew
January 05 2014, 12:56AM
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I am not and never have been a believer in Gagner. However if he or his representation think this is about a change of scenery they are delusional. Gagner is pathetic in the face-off circle and his own end. For 7+ seasons he has been the recipient of one golden opportunity after another and he scarcely seems to have learned anything.

He was a poor draft choice who was valued based on his jr linemates. I pray Friedman is not toying with us.

Bye bye, Sammy, your play makes me (Gag)ner. I will miss your post-loss opining and canned excuses (NOT)!!!

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#133 psale63
January 05 2014, 01:06AM
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6 ring circus wrote:

Does everyone remember when Tambellini first took over? They blamed the losing on the veterans and the bad attitude and they got rid of them,then management blamed the training staff after Souray called them out because the Oilers wanted him to play hurt and they were all fired,then management blamed the losing on man games lost do to injury and coaching for a few seasons,now Eakins is blaming the losing on inexperience and the players do not understand defense systems,WTF the team is made up mostly of young players and wasn't Eakins hired because he had success developing young players? When will the blaming carousal end up on management and the professional and amateur scouting departments, they are the idiots who put this team together!!!

Easy, when we the fans stop paying and supporting this circus...

Sh!t rolls downhill, management has used every excuse in the book to explain the teams lack of success and progress the past 8 years. It's time the fans let the sh!t roll on Kevin Lowe.

I would love to hear a 'Fire Kevin Lowe!' chant on HNIC! That might get a few peoples attention...

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#134 Quinn the Eskimo
January 05 2014, 01:22AM
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MessyEH wrote:

Seriously Gordo,

maybe your best post yet.

Agreed.

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#135 Dan
January 05 2014, 01:24AM
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So what were the Oil thinking in signing Gagner to that big contract, and now supposedly trading him. Not sure what the Oilers are doing...Gags is just one more guy that is being crushed by the constant losing. RNH, Hall and Ebs will be next if the Oilers don't figure this out. Funny how Cogs was roasted here in EDM as being undersized and not skilled enough to be a top 6 performer...all it took for him to reach his potential was to be traded out of Edmonton. typical, anyone leaving EDM blossoms, anyone coming to EDM goes backward.

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#136 papler
January 05 2014, 01:47AM
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@Walter Sobchak

I agree with most of what you write. McT made some glaring mistakes (Eakins, Ference&Gagner for too much $). But one tends to forget that in a trade market you need 2 sides come to a trade agreement.

IMHO it's unfair to blame McT for not trading up or landing a new goalie. We all know he tried, but the trading partners clearly wanted too much or were exploring other otions as well. Best example: VAN was willing to trade Schneider, but were hesitant to trade him to a Division rival. You cannot blame McT for that.

I'm relieved that the Clarkson deal didn't materialize. That would've been a terrible signing but by the time most would've probably applauded the deal Clarkson seemed just what this team needed.

The biggest mistake, as I see it, was hiring Eakins, a coach with no NHL record, known only for his success with developing players in the AHL. What baffles me is that McT "liked" what he heard in the interview and based the hiring (and the sacking of Krueger) on that. That is an emotional move and unfortunately, emotions are the worst guide when running a business. I hope that was a rookie mistake by our GM and doesn't repeat itself. God help us, if he makes decisions based on emotions

also: smokey was over the line

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#137 kgo
January 05 2014, 01:58AM
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Seth wrote:

Kevin Lowe's definition of "winning" is completely different then any other person on earth.

Inigo Montoya: Kevin you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

a thousand props

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#138 john
January 05 2014, 02:03AM
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What is wrong with all you people? Kevin Lowe is not to blame, why don't you apply for the president or GM job if you guys think you can run an NHL team? Hockey Canada has Lowe on board for years with international hockey, if he is so bad they would not hire him. Katz own over a billion dollars pharmacy empire, do you think he does not know how to let people run his business? It's the coaches that run the team, that's where the wins and loses count. This team has too many coaches over the years that are screwing with the development of the players. Eakins is the wrong guy there now, worst in goals against, power plays and penalty kills are worse than previous years. The team is not winning, he is screwing up Yakupov (look what happened when he got more ice time, he scored each of the last 2 games) and now Sam Gagner (he broke his jaws and now he is in the dog house). We are keep trading players away and then they blossom else where. Eakins screwed up Nazem Kadri over here in Toronto too, because it's his way or the high way style of coaching. So big deal if he can bike in a marathon in Denver that has nothing to do with winning hockey games. That's the bottom line, score goals and allow less goals against and win games. I m a fan living in Toronto, it's so sad to see Oilers are not doing well right now. Ralph Kruger was doing a fine job last few years there getting the players playing. I don't see them are having fun out there playing this year.

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#139 spliff
January 05 2014, 02:07AM
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Kind of ironic that on the same day Cogliano is offered a 3 year 12 million contract to play for one of the best teams in the league, rumors arise about trading Sam Gagner.

I believed in MacT, maybe impressed by no-nonsense talk and apparent intelligence. However, I have now realized that he is just another incompetent manager in a long line of incompetent managers, who are getting schooled by almost every other management team in the league. If you stop and think how many bad signings, bad draft picks, bad trades, PR fiascos and bush-league moves the management group of the Oilers have made in the past 8 years, then is it really any surprise that they find themselves where they are? Katz must be a smart guy, being a billionaire businessman. So WTF can he not see this?

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#140 papler
January 05 2014, 02:09AM
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Re: Eakins

I still don't get why they declare that the organisation is going to compete for the playoffs and then hire a rookie coach.

I understand the opinion by some, that another coaching change would hinder player development etc. But i can't help but think about the Concorde Fallacy (aka sunk cost fallacy) with this whole thing. Yes, they would lose another year (the "sunk cost" in this case being time and coaches salary). But that should NOT be the reason to stick with Eakins. The only reason should be if they still believe (and have some sort of evidence) that Eakins can coach this team to success. If they don't, they should replace him asap to not waste any more time

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#141 spliff
January 05 2014, 02:36AM
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I've been a fan since 1975, and these are, without a doubt, the darkest days for this organization. The blunders that have led to this situation are widespread and have seriously crippled this organizations ability to compete, even a a mid-level, in the 30 league NHL. Some of the blunders are:

* hiring mediocre ex-players from the 80's to important positions in coaching and scouting

* not having a farm team for many years

* trying to emulate the Red Wings instead of building a team on simple, traditional hockey fundamentals

* leaving Tambo at the controls for too long, and then replacing him with yet another ex-player who had a hand in creating this mess in the first place

* not surrounding the few young good draft picks they have made, with competent veterans

* losing may more trades then they win

* chasing big fish UFAs who were never going to sign here, and letting fan favorites like GlenX walk away for nothing

* and most of all, taking an incredibly loyal, passionate and patient fan-base for granted, and insulting the citizens of this fine city by threatening to move their piss poor team, and then subjecting us to arguably the worst stretch of sh*tshow hockey ever seen in the modern day NHL.

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#142 kale
January 05 2014, 02:38AM
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@spliff

best post of the night

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#143 spliff
January 05 2014, 02:58AM
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@kale

Thanks.

It truly sucks being a fan of this team. I am a diehard fan of many decades, who has supported this team unconditionally through mostly mediocre or worse performance. However, this was the year I needed to see some improvement, but what we have seen is unacceptable. I don't know how MacT and they boys are going to rationalize this at the year end press conference. I do know that I am very slowly, but surely, starting to lose all hope for this organization. There must be thousands of life long and diehard fans that feel the same way. I would be very surprised if this team sells out games next year. Very surprised. The fans of this team owe MacT, KLowe, Bucky, Smith, Semenko any other ex-oiler cronies in the employ of this sad sack loser organization, nothing. Absolutely nothing.

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#144 Walter Sobchak
January 05 2014, 03:46AM
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@papler

Good points

I’ll concede the Vancouver point, but I’m wondering why the Oilers didn’t three way that deal? What gets me more is MacTavish then went out and got a career back up, a goalie that on his best day wouldn’t be able to compete with Dubnyk.

Why wouldn’t he look for a competent back up to challenge Dubnyk? A quick search just on NHL.com shows at least a half dozen teams the Oilers could trade with prior to the season even starting.

Instead MacTavish reacted late, over paid via UFA for a horrible goalie, and then signed an equally bad goalie again?

The Gagner deal actually is much worse in terms of leverage and tradability, prior to the season starting or the deal itself, Gagner should have been moved, when your average fan knows that your 2C isn’t going to get it done, then signing a guy based on character is by the very definition insane.

The fact that MacTavish was going to pay Clarkson more with longer term & the fact Clarkson choose the Leafs, tells us a couple things.

The Oilers have to grossly overpay for average talent, that free agents despite being thrown huge dollar’s by the Oilers would rather play elsewhere, but the most damning of all, the Oilers would rather whale hunt UFA’s then draft develop and procure talent through scouting & trades, this is the fundamental reason why the Oilers feel into the abyss in the first place, coincidentally under the MacTavish,Lowe,Tambellini era.

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#145 spliff
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Rod from Viking wrote:

Oilers trade Cog's to Ducks for a second round pick a year later that turned out to be 56th overall, he is one of the best 3rd line centers in the league. Oilers trade a 4th round pick for Jerrod Smithson,who I don't think is in the league unless it is with Marlies. What a joke, don't tell me Lowe didn't assist in both of these deals either. If the Oilers would have traded Gagner at last years deadline for a defense man maybe things would be completely different today.

So...the Ducks fleeced the Oil and got Cogliano. Didn't the Ducks also get Souray, another Oiler castoff who we let go for nothing, because he disrespected the Oilers organization. But who is really disrespecting the organization? I would argue that its KLowe, MacT and their buddies, everyday they come to work, and do more damage to this once proud franchise.

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#146 OIL or NOTHING
January 05 2014, 04:30AM
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Having read through the comments, I have only 1 question

Where is DSF?

I would prefer to have him around as blog clown over this "Josh Oiler"

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#147 MessyEH
January 05 2014, 04:41AM
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I fear the worst for DSF. He may have found, Oilers fans have been doing a better job of destroying all hope.

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#148 Saytalk
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MessyEH wrote:

I fear the worst for DSF. He may have found, Oilers fans have been doing a better job of destroying all hope.

I think he got bored when we all started agreeing with him on how bad this team is.

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#149 15w40
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OIL or NOTHING wrote:

Having read through the comments, I have only 1 question

Where is DSF?

I would prefer to have him around as blog clown over this "Josh Oiler"

There's nobody left to argue with

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#150 michael
January 05 2014, 06:02AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Sam gagner's value as a player is less than his contract is in $. In other words he has negative value - if he just disappeared and the oil got his salary and roster spot back they could get a better player - better ability and a better fit - with the cash.

Thus the oil when - not if - they trade him sometime before the start of next season will be trading for another player who has negative value in the eyes of their current team.

The difficulty is that the type of player gagner is is in extreme surplus - very few teams need or want what he has to offer whereas what the oil needs is in heavy demand almost everywhere

So the oil need to find a team that is under extreme salary cap pressure, has a 1-2 line player who is under performing and is grossly over paid - much more than gagner - and that team has to have an up and coming replacement for that player - because the oil don't have one to sweeten the deal.

I have no idea what team (or teams) fits that bill but I fear that his boldness will trade like for like - a small, ineffective, sub 1-2 line centre coming back or get a bunch of 3-4 line size that is too slow.

And when that trade happens it will be a huge negative on the scoresheet for MacT. Signing gagner was a massive mistake.

The NJ fit that bill. They'll need his contract just to reach the floor nest season.

How about a Adam Larrson for Sam?

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