SAM GAGNER'S NAME "OUT THERE"

Lowetide
January 04 2014 05:10PM

During tonight's Hotstove portion of the HNIC pre-game, Elliotte Friedman told the nation "Sam Gagner's name is out there" and suggested the Oilers would find him a place he'd be comfortable with playing (if a transaction were to be completed). It sounds very much like the team and player have decided a move could be made if it fits for all sides, although specifics weren't covered in the brief report.

LATE SEPTEMBER (21st)

Gagner's season went sideways in a hurry one autumn night in Vancouver, and the impact has been felt by player and team all season long. I don't for a minute believe that the Kassian stick incident led us to this day, but it probably hurried it along.

Bottom line: Craig MacTavish has to make plans for next year. He has to ask questions:

  1. Is Dallas Eakins the coach of next year's team?
  2. Do the Oilers need to improve up the middle?
  3. Has Mark Arcobello done enough to make Gagner expendable?
  4. Will the organization have the same number of similar talents in the top 6F next season?
  5. Can they get value for Gagner?
  6. Is Gagner a part of the future with Eakins in charge?

Those are tough questions, but the news today suggests that they exist in the organization and Sam Gagner (who perhaps Gagner has questions about his future as an Oiler) may be heading out of Edmonton during the season.

What does it all mean? Well, you never get full value in these situations, so prepare to be disappointed with the return. On the other hand, the Oilers will be going to market next summer with more money and will very likely arrive at training camp next fall with a bigger lineup.

We wait.

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#1 Kr55
January 04 2014, 05:26PM
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What happened to MacT's gentlemen's agreement that he never should have made? I'm very down on Gagner's game, but MacT made his agreement to not trade him public.

That said, I guess he did tell Krueger he would find him coaching help and then told the media how Krueger is not at fault for last season and he needs to be given good players and then stabbed him in the back to jump on a total fraud manufactured by the Toronto Hype Machine.

This Oilers management group has a pretty lengthy history of backstabbing and having no class. People think it's the weather that scares teams away. That a tiny bit of it, but that's nothing compared to the bad reputation of Lowe and MacT. I would never want to work for them either.

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#2 Sam
January 04 2014, 09:47PM
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Perhaps the Oilers could trade Gagner for Smid.

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#3 Tuningout
January 04 2014, 05:25PM
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Well this should be fun. Time to trade another useful NHL player for more hope and potential. Let me guess.... Gagner for some current oil king ?

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#4 Jerconjake
January 04 2014, 06:43PM
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Don't trade Gagner last year when he had high value. Trade him now that he has a huge contract and his value is at an all-time low. Joke.

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#5 I Remember the Orange Jerseys
January 04 2014, 05:16PM
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...and wait, and wait.

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#6 outdoorzguy
January 04 2014, 06:04PM
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So how does a Toronto based reporter get this scoop and not one Edmonton "reporter" even had a sniff? The reporters in town are just as bad as the team. They deserve each other.

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#7 VK63
January 04 2014, 05:53PM
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he makes 4.8 million and is completely lost.

Those sorts of trades generally return head cases or road kill.

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#8 D
January 04 2014, 05:30PM
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Obviously I'm not the GM, so my opinion is about as valuable as a bucket of John Nance Garner's Vice Presidency. But here goes:

Is Dallas Eakins the coach of next year's team?

Man I hope not.

Do the Oilers need to improve up the middle?

Yes.

Has Mark Arcobello done enough to make Gagner expendable?

Mark needs to show he can perform consistently at the level he started with this season. If he can do it for two seasons, then the answer would trend towards yes.

Will the organization have the same number of similar talents in the top 6F next season?

Not if making the playoffs is their goal.

Can they get value for Gagner?

No. But I bet Oil management don't overvalue him now as much as they did over the summer.

Is Gagner a part of the future with Eakins in charge?

I don't believe that the Edmonton Oilers can win the Stanley Cup with Gagner as the #2 centre.

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#9 Mr common sense
January 04 2014, 07:27PM
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Ummm the oil may rid themselves of one of their midgets? Ummm....what's the issue?

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#10 vetinari
January 04 2014, 05:33PM
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Is it a case of a coach who can't use a player properly or a case of a player who wants a new start?

Frankly, almost all of the Oilers are underperforming right now which makes me think that it is more a problem with the coaching and if you are going to make a change anywhere, start there, and start now.

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#11 admiralmark
January 04 2014, 05:56PM
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Once again the Oiler brain trust hang on and hang on and hang onto their deficient player waiting for god knows what?! Until the rest of the entire NHL knows just how useless they are. Sam Gagner has not been an answer since ever. Maybe it wasnt his fault being brought up early. But the team HAS to get better at assessing this and unloading the player while there is still an iota of value. A smallish C that cant win a draw if his life depends on it and has zero defensive IQ... I'm sure the phone is ringing off the hook for him?! As it stands we are going to literally get sweet @%$& all for this player. But I would still take it.

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#12 6 ring circus
January 04 2014, 08:09PM
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Does everyone remember when Tambellini first took over? They blamed the losing on the veterans and the bad attitude and they got rid of them,then management blamed the training staff after Souray called them out because the Oilers wanted him to play hurt and they were all fired,then management blamed the losing on man games lost do to injury and coaching for a few seasons,now Eakins is blaming the losing on inexperience and the players do not understand defense systems,WTF the team is made up mostly of young players and wasn't Eakins hired because he had success developing young players? When will the blaming carousal end up on management and the professional and amateur scouting departments, they are the idiots who put this team together!!!

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#13 LoweMustGO
January 04 2014, 06:06PM
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MacT learned how to buy high and sell low while getting his MBA.

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#14 Jodes
January 04 2014, 05:25PM
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Well just when I thought I couldn't post anymore, I decide to come back, so here we go. There are too many what if's in this situation.. Was Sam "rushed" back? Did the coaching staff expect way to much from him when he returned? Has he like many on the team just stopped listening to Eakins?

Or maybe the rumour all those years ago of him wanting out have just finally come to fruition?

Sad to say, but I think Sam Gagner (apart from one night against Chicago) is the 2nd coming of Mike York.. Lots of potential, but just not enough to get over the next hump, regardless of what team you play for.

If he is traded, I don't think it will work out for either team.

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#15 -30-
January 04 2014, 05:37PM
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Not to be a pessimist but will this end up like Andrew Cogliano?

Funny how the grass always looks greener elsewhere isn't it?

-30-

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#16 spliff
January 05 2014, 02:36AM
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I've been a fan since 1975, and these are, without a doubt, the darkest days for this organization. The blunders that have led to this situation are widespread and have seriously crippled this organizations ability to compete, even a a mid-level, in the 30 league NHL. Some of the blunders are:

* hiring mediocre ex-players from the 80's to important positions in coaching and scouting

* not having a farm team for many years

* trying to emulate the Red Wings instead of building a team on simple, traditional hockey fundamentals

* leaving Tambo at the controls for too long, and then replacing him with yet another ex-player who had a hand in creating this mess in the first place

* not surrounding the few young good draft picks they have made, with competent veterans

* losing may more trades then they win

* chasing big fish UFAs who were never going to sign here, and letting fan favorites like GlenX walk away for nothing

* and most of all, taking an incredibly loyal, passionate and patient fan-base for granted, and insulting the citizens of this fine city by threatening to move their piss poor team, and then subjecting us to arguably the worst stretch of sh*tshow hockey ever seen in the modern day NHL.

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#17 Chet134
January 04 2014, 05:22PM
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Crickets crickets

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#18 Walter Sobchak
January 04 2014, 05:30PM
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No free agent worth a damn will come here after witnessing the mess that is the Oilers.

As for Gagner, if a legit two way center isn't coming back in this deal then why make it?

So Gagner fetches a Gardnier or like type player who fills a role on the back end, it still leaves a gaping hole at center, unless the Oilers do plan on drafting another small center.

In this case the Oilers just played marry go-round.

Gagner has to be package for a group of players, that fit a specific need for the Oilers.

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#19 mlselli
January 04 2014, 06:45PM
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Yak went to his agent because he doesn't like how he is being treated. Appears to look like Gagner wants out too. (He insisted on a no move/trade clause in his contract, and was on the door step on an arbitration hearing---clearly he wanted to be here). Who's next? Can we really blame the players? The fans have been predicting this for over a month now. My finger is pointing toward Eakins as being our biggest problem. Nobody is happy in Edmonton, and the rest of the league either pities us or are laughing at us. The morale for the fans and players couldn't possibly be lower, and the management can't be blind. When do they do the right thing. The time for panic has come and gone. I think we now have a crisis.

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#20 gcw_rocks
January 04 2014, 07:49PM
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Gagner should be going to Buffalo to be the Sabres top right wing in exchange for Ehrhoff. Who cares if Gagner doesn't want to go there if it's the best move for the Oilers and buffalo shows interest?

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#21 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 04 2014, 07:26PM
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Sometimes you just have to make moves and hope for the best. Teams trade under performing players all the time and some guys just flourish in other environments... Lupul, JVR, Perron, etc Some guys just need a change of scenery. When your team is crap and you've got the wrong mix just do something! You might pull off a well thought out win-win....or you might just get lucky.

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#22 mnm
January 05 2014, 12:50PM
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is it just me or does anyone else feel that this rebuild is never gonna end

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#23 Tuningout
January 04 2014, 07:39PM
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Primo wrote:

So that will make 5 coaches in the past 6 years. Do you still think a problem with the coaching?? Wake up man look beyond the coaching!!

Last year under Krueger (despite the same assistants) this was a better team with a better record, playing entirely against the tougher western conference. The team and it's players were trending up it seemed, enough so that some media and analysts picked the oilers to make the playoffs this year. Games (at least many games) were fun to watch.

This year, Eakins, with a better roster and another year experience for many young players is gaining on DFLast In the league. Everyone and everything is trending down with no hope in sight. And I'd rather watch curling.

There are many problems with this team. But coaching is #1 my friend.

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#24 Oiler63
January 04 2014, 08:22PM
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Borrowing a quote from Moneyball, There are good teams and there are bad teams, then there's fifty feet of crap, and then there's oilers.

Except we don't have a Billy Beane. All we have is Kevin Lowe and his fifty feet of crap!!

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#25 Jimbo
January 04 2014, 09:55PM
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Oilers are on pace to lose 48 games. Management is still getting paid. Ha Ha Ha

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#26 camdog
January 04 2014, 06:10PM
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-30- wrote:

Not to be a pessimist but will this end up like Andrew Cogliano?

Funny how the grass always looks greener elsewhere isn't it?

-30-

Do you believe Cogliano turns into that type of hockey player if he had remained in Edmonton?

On a side I do believe if you put Gags on the wing or with some big wingers he can be a productive player. However I don't believe that Gags playing with small, defensively weak wingers is a means of success for him. The balance is off with this team, has been for 8 years and nobody's done a thing to correct this imbalance, why???

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#27 Reagan
January 04 2014, 06:17PM
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Salary for salary.

Gagner for Del Zotto.

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#28 MessyEH
January 04 2014, 08:11PM
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@Primo

The problem always starts, and ends, with management. In the Oilers case that's Lowe.

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#29 Rod from Viking
January 04 2014, 07:50PM
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madjam wrote:

Gagner probably talked with ex Oilers in Anaheim the other day , and decided he might want to go to a contender . He's probably given up the Oilers will be a contender any year soon . Time for Gagner to maybe blossom in another venue like a lot have done . Big salary like Smid had and probably quite similar scenario trading him .Expect return to be negative at best , unfortunately .

I was just going to post the same thing, Cog's and Sam are best friends and I am sure Penner and Sam are friends as well, Can you imagine Cog's telling him about his new contract, the great team,house on the beach and no one knowing who you are in public, I am sure that was enough for Gag's comparing the two situation and he went to Mac T. This is going so bad here it is scarey, we have 6 month's of winter, a management and owner that are alienating the entire fan base, a new coach that seems over his head and is saddled with two assistants that have survived 3 and 4 head coaches respectively. Who would want to play here.

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#30 Fish
January 04 2014, 08:12PM
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We will be in 30th, 5 games from now. We play Tampa, STL, the Pens, Hawks, and Dallas (Lucky to win 1 of 5). The Sabers are 5W 3L 2T in their last ten and their next 5 games are against the Canes, Panthers, Capitals, Flyers and Leafs (Probably win 3 of 5). Which puts Buffalo one point up on us with 2 games in hand.

At least Ekblad will look good on the second pairing next year. Does a roster of 1st pairing of XXX, Shultz Jr. 2nd pair Ference and Ekblad, 3rd pair Nurse and Petry get us McDavid?

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#31 nick
January 04 2014, 09:27PM
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Salvation wrote:

Roster for next year, if UFA breaks our direction

Hall 6 RNH 6 Ebs 6 - Perron 3.8 P. Stastny 5.5 Yak 3.75 - D Winnik 2.5 Gordon 3 Downie 3 Smyth 1 Arco 1.5 Brad Boyes 2

Ehrhoff 4 Shultz (3x3) Ekblad 3.75 Ference 3.25 Nurse 1.7 Petry 2.75 MAX

=62.5

AROUND 8.5 MILL IN CAP Leave 2.25 for YAK extension (7 years 6 mill if he earns it) Leaves 6.25 for a goalie to GET AND ACTUAL GOALIE!!!! Spend 5 on a goalie 1A and 1.25 goalie B

You're welcome MAC T. What say you nation?

One huge thing you overlooked in your little scenario. No UFA is going to sign here unless you overpay an old player like Ference. Edmonton will only be able to attract B and C level free agents so do not ever count on the UFA breaking your direction

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#32 CMG30
January 04 2014, 05:24PM
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I don't see a move till trade deadline day.

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#33 Spydyr
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spliff wrote:

I've been a fan since 1975, and these are, without a doubt, the darkest days for this organization. The blunders that have led to this situation are widespread and have seriously crippled this organizations ability to compete, even a a mid-level, in the 30 league NHL. Some of the blunders are:

* hiring mediocre ex-players from the 80's to important positions in coaching and scouting

* not having a farm team for many years

* trying to emulate the Red Wings instead of building a team on simple, traditional hockey fundamentals

* leaving Tambo at the controls for too long, and then replacing him with yet another ex-player who had a hand in creating this mess in the first place

* not surrounding the few young good draft picks they have made, with competent veterans

* losing may more trades then they win

* chasing big fish UFAs who were never going to sign here, and letting fan favorites like GlenX walk away for nothing

* and most of all, taking an incredibly loyal, passionate and patient fan-base for granted, and insulting the citizens of this fine city by threatening to move their piss poor team, and then subjecting us to arguably the worst stretch of sh*tshow hockey ever seen in the modern day NHL.

You are correct sir. There are thousands more that agree.

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#34 6 ring circus
January 04 2014, 06:26PM
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@camdog

Anaheim signed Cogliano to a 4 year contract extension this afternoon,his name can be added to the long list of players who have left this gong show and went to other teams to have success.Gagner on the right team will be added to that list.

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#35 Vance in LA
January 04 2014, 07:11PM
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@Tuningout

Hello all. I am Vance (in LA) and this is my first excursion into this sphere of anonymous insults, rants, insights, observations, personal attacks, unfounded rumour and humour. It has been both disappointing and enlightening. I must first take exception to the promo proclaiming Mr. L Tide as a 'shining contributor for over a century'. By my count it is only 83 years, 4 months. Only the great John Short can lay claim to such longevity. Then again, King John is the only reporter alive who actually covered the original 26 mile run from Marathon to Athens live in 490 BC. His interview with Pheidippides is legendary and still controversial, considering he was the only contestant and died immediately after his victorious interview with John. Let us not blame him. As for Dallas Eakins? Tis strange how quickly the tide can turn. Wasn't it just yesterday he was the wave of new young thinking? Of aggressive offense? The opposite of past 'defence first' coaches? Utilizing the offensive talents of this young roster? And then we were introduced to "the swarm", a magical trick in the AHL that was exposed as ridiculous against the best in the world. Then the 5 forward powerplay that would change hockey, and digressed to the most shorthanded goals in the league. And now we witness defencemen coming up the boards with the puck and pulling a 360 degree to get separation from the forechecker. That laughter you hear isn't mine: that's Mike Babcock and Ken Hitchcock. They just can't help themselves. I think it's cruel. But to question Dallas Eakins value is more than fair; every aspect of the team is worse. PP,PK, 5 v 5, but most condemning, the 'kids' have stagnated. The very future of this franchise have either taken a step sideways or backwards. And Lord knows Yak has struggled, but I didn't realize that he was drafted for his checking and defence. Stupid me. Eakins is far from the only problem this team has, but it is apparent he is one of many. Which means he is part of the problem. MacT had to know he was taking a chance with an inexperienced AHL coach, and a very weak supporting staff. So why give the guy a 4 year contract? He wouldn't have signed for 2? Perhaps the NHL needs to implement an entry level contract restriction for coaches, to protect them from themselves. Gagner? Oh my word. We've known for 5 years what he is; smart, tenacious, committed and not a top 2 center, too slow for 3rd line checking, and too small for 4th line banging. His trade value? In my world, zero. But considering the Oilers just got a 17th round pick for Linus Omark, Gagner might just get you Stamkos. I dunno. Tis indeed the winter of our discontent. After 8 years, it's beginning to feel like the Ice Age of our Discontent.

A better year to you all. Thanks for reading.

Vancee in LA

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#36 nick
January 04 2014, 09:22PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Did it ever occur to you that just maybe.......we had the right coach in Krueger all along??

Keeping the wrong coach just because he started a few months ago.......now that's a joke.

excellent post. MacT fired a coach he should not have. All that needs to be said. Keeping a bozo just because is compounding the problem.

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#37 Oiler Al
January 04 2014, 06:09PM
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Package Gagner with Hemsky. Send out a notice to the other 29 GMs .. Glider Twins available for trade.

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#38 GTL
January 04 2014, 06:41PM
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With Oil brass's record of asset management, odds are they lose any deal.

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#39 Oil Can
January 04 2014, 09:30PM
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Shopping for LD wrote:

Possible LD shopping list. CHRISTIAN EHRHOFF, DMITRY KULIKOV, MICHAEL DEL ZOTTO, PAUL MARTIN, BRYDON COBURN, ANDREI MARKOV UFA, DAN HAMHUIS. Who is possibly in play? Who is a good fit for XXX?

1st pairing of XXX, Shultz Jr. 2nd pair Ference and Ekblad, 3rd pair Nurse and Petry

Probably not my first choice, but Ehrhoff could be a nice fit there. I'd take Markov on a 3 year deal.

WITH THE RIGHT XXX, I don't mind those pairings. Better than what we're rolling now.

How could anybody who watches the Oilers include J. Shultz as their top pairing D-man?

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#40 Seth
January 04 2014, 10:04PM
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Kevin Lowe's definition of "winning" is completely different then any other person on earth.

Inigo Montoya: Kevin you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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#41 Josh Oiler
January 04 2014, 07:48PM
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LETS TRADE THE ENTIRE TEAM (all 4 lines) ALONG WITH DALLAS EAKINS AND THE ENTIRE COACHING STAFF FOR SHEA WEBER

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#42 Kr55
January 04 2014, 08:06PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

I told everyone yesterday!!!

Lindy Ruff was available and the Oilers didn't move!

Brian Burke could have also been had as GM!

MacT: ITS TIME TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON A BLOCKBUSTER DEAL

Sam Gagner and 2014 1st round pick for David Clarkeson.

Yeah, I'd rather get a bum off the street named David "Clarkeson" for that package than David Clarkson and his horrible contract.

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#43 Rick Stroppel
January 04 2014, 08:22PM
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PLEASE DO SOMETHING

Fred Shero had many great sayings and one of them was this: "If you want to avoid controversy, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing".

It looks like MacTavish really wants to avoid controversy.

If he doesn't do something, and quick, this is what MacTavish is saying to all the fans AND every player on the team: "I can say anything (coaching not a problem, bold moves, impatient, etc.) and it all means NOTHING. I don't really have a plan, I am just making this up as we go along. I decide everything on whims and hunches, just like my mentor Kevin Lowe! It's the Oilers way!"

I strongly suspect that Gagner has requested a trade. After being part of this endless gong show for seven years, who can blame him? He seems like a nice young man and I wish him well wherever he winds up.

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#44 spliff
January 04 2014, 10:51PM
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The Oilers should have thought "outside the box", like they pride themselves on doing, right after Gagner got 8 points in a game last season, when he actually had trade value. I remember reading this blog and several astute posters suggested this right after Gagner's 8 point game. Why would anyone in the league want a non-contact, flyby specialist, defensive nightmare like Gagner?

In the past I have stuck up for Oiler management, and had some faith in the rebuild and believed that the management group, who have spent their whole lives in hockey, actually knew what they were doing. But after the absolute debacle of this season, which I believed to be the most important in franchise history, I have lost all trust and faith in management, coaching, scouting, ownership or anything to do with the sad-sack loser organization which has become the laughing stock of the league. I laugh when MacT constantly says that there are many GMs around the league who would love to have our roster and young stars. Who in their right mind would want what this? Is MacT on crack? Maybe the Oilers have their very own Rob Ford.

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#45 **
January 04 2014, 06:15PM
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Don't toy with me Lowetide.

Gagner's hatred aside, Mac T should see what a great opportunity this is to improve the team. Since the season is already lost he can trade Gagner as a salary dump, ala Smid. Arcobello can't do worse, and it doesn't matter if he does, I mean, the Oilers can only go lower one more spot in the standings.

Gagner can go to a team where he'll be a better fit and have a better career, at least get a chance to do so, what he does with it is up to him.

Prepare for the deadline and free agency, be proactive, don't make Tambellini moves looking for a plugger when the season is gone.

One can only hope.

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#46 etownman
January 04 2014, 07:35PM
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Maybe Kadri is coming this way from the Big Smoke!

Also, Gagner got the pay the market had him at according to his numbers & what other players were getting. Sometimes players & teams just have to make a change & we all know the Oilers have to change the make up of this team so why not Sammy? Besides, there is other centers on this team right now who can do what Sammy does only better. Let's get it done!

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#47 Jodes
January 04 2014, 05:36PM
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Kr55 wrote:

What happened to MacT's gentlemen's agreement that he never should have made? I'm very down on Gagner's game, but MacT made his agreement to not trade him public.

That said, I guess he did tell Krueger he would find him coaching help and then told the media how Krueger is not at fault for last season and he needs to be given good players and then stabbed him in the back to jump on a total fraud manufactured by the Toronto Hype Machine.

This Oilers management group has a pretty lengthy history of backstabbing and having no class. People think it's the weather that scares teams away. That a tiny bit of it, but that's nothing compared to the bad reputation of Lowe and MacT. I would never want to work for them either.

But if Gagner goes to MacT and says "I want to do what's best to help the team/get me out of here" then the agreement is null don't you think?

I will agree on how he sh*t canned Krueger. That was classless. Should have manned up and did it right from the start.

Time for both of them to go..

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#48 Serious Gord
January 04 2014, 08:50PM
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Sam gagner's value as a player is less than his contract is in $. In other words he has negative value - if he just disappeared and the oil got his salary and roster spot back they could get a better player - better ability and a better fit - with the cash.

Thus the oil when - not if - they trade him sometime before the start of next season will be trading for another player who has negative value in the eyes of their current team.

The difficulty is that the type of player gagner is is in extreme surplus - very few teams need or want what he has to offer whereas what the oil needs is in heavy demand almost everywhere

So the oil need to find a team that is under extreme salary cap pressure, has a 1-2 line player who is under performing and is grossly over paid - much more than gagner - and that team has to have an up and coming replacement for that player - because the oil don't have one to sweeten the deal.

I have no idea what team (or teams) fits that bill but I fear that his boldness will trade like for like - a small, ineffective, sub 1-2 line centre coming back or get a bunch of 3-4 line size that is too slow.

And when that trade happens it will be a huge negative on the scoresheet for MacT. Signing gagner was a massive mistake.

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#49 S cottV
January 04 2014, 07:38PM
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1. He may not survive into Feb the way it's going and with the teams they are up against.

2. With RNH 2 to 3 years away from entering his prime a strong 2C or better yet an immediate 1C is a must, in order to compete for a playoff spot.

3. Arco can fill in short term but is not the mid term answer. He needs to demonstrate 3C capability beyond what Gordon is capable of in order to stick long term. Don't see that happening but give him a go to see. Would love to see the Oilers so strong in the middle, that it bumps Gordon to an excellent 4C.

4. Oilers have to plug holes in the middle and back end. The abundance of small skill forwards are expendable if could somehow assist toward filling the critical holes.

5. Probably not but move him anyway. Oilers will not make the playoffs with Gagner in the middle.

6. I don't see Eakins or Gagner in the mix beyond this year. Gagner will probably go at the deadline. Eakins may not make it past the end of the month but even if he does, I really think MacT will be forced to fess up that Eakins is not the answer for a playoff run.

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#50 Jimmy
January 04 2014, 09:37PM
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I wanted to trade Gagner in 2009-10 for Hanzal. Gagner today ain't worth much.

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