SAM GAGNER'S NAME "OUT THERE"

Lowetide
January 04 2014 05:10PM

During tonight's Hotstove portion of the HNIC pre-game, Elliotte Friedman told the nation "Sam Gagner's name is out there" and suggested the Oilers would find him a place he'd be comfortable with playing (if a transaction were to be completed). It sounds very much like the team and player have decided a move could be made if it fits for all sides, although specifics weren't covered in the brief report.

LATE SEPTEMBER (21st)

Gagner's season went sideways in a hurry one autumn night in Vancouver, and the impact has been felt by player and team all season long. I don't for a minute believe that the Kassian stick incident led us to this day, but it probably hurried it along.

Bottom line: Craig MacTavish has to make plans for next year. He has to ask questions:

  1. Is Dallas Eakins the coach of next year's team?
  2. Do the Oilers need to improve up the middle?
  3. Has Mark Arcobello done enough to make Gagner expendable?
  4. Will the organization have the same number of similar talents in the top 6F next season?
  5. Can they get value for Gagner?
  6. Is Gagner a part of the future with Eakins in charge?

Those are tough questions, but the news today suggests that they exist in the organization and Sam Gagner (who perhaps Gagner has questions about his future as an Oiler) may be heading out of Edmonton during the season.

What does it all mean? Well, you never get full value in these situations, so prepare to be disappointed with the return. On the other hand, the Oilers will be going to market next summer with more money and will very likely arrive at training camp next fall with a bigger lineup.

We wait.

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#51 Rod from Viking
January 04 2014, 10:17PM
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@Serious Gord

I know how my renewal call is going to go. I think the corporations are finding clients are not really enthused about going to games anymore and hopefully will be looking for a better "PR" investment. I wonder if people are taking their names of the waiting list. As far as buddy Bob Stauffer goes I bet this is driving him crazy trying to defend this nightmare.

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#52 Kareem
January 04 2014, 06:32PM
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I miss Cogliano...Great third line centre with a great defensive game who can also put the puck in the back of the net.

Ducks got him at a steal for a second round pick.

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#53 Bryzarro World
January 04 2014, 08:09PM
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Primo wrote:

Coaching is not the problem with the Oilers!! The one and only problem with the Oiler organization is ACCOUNTABILITY! There is none. 6 rings has no accountability to win. Hate to break it to you but neither do the players. 1st overalls that sign >$30MM contracts need to be held accountable for production. With the Oilers they are not! 1st overalls that don't produce RNH, YAK) require development in the AHL. That will never happen with the Oilers because they do not hold players accountable! Justin Schultz is pathetic and needs development in the AHL, that will never happen! Eberle needs to be accountable for his poor ice performance but rather he keeps playing. Nothing changes! Oiler fans wake up, coaching is not the problem.

The coach doesn't need to be accountable for his bad systems, poor communication, poor player management and on and on and on...??

The guy takes no responsibility for anything.

Give your head a shake...

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#54 **
January 04 2014, 08:43PM
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"Suck D%#k for the top pick!"

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#55 the rake
January 05 2014, 11:22AM
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One of the biggest mistakes last summer was resigning Gagner, I like the guy, but he has reached all he will ever be, and his trade value is dropping fast. He may be a 50 point guy, but that is as high as he will ever achieve, and he brings nothing else to the team that warrants his salary. Poor skater, poor shot, terrible defensively, terrible faceoff guy, no physicality. If he was getting a point a game maybe you keep him, but he is nowhere near that. Arco is the same guy at a quarter of the price. Time to start packaging some of these guys to try and get things moving in the right direction. Boston may be looking for a veteran d-man for the playoffs, does Nick Schultz and Gagner and possibly a prospect get you Paille and Bartkowski. Maybe a deal with Washington to get Joel Ward and Karl Alzner. Management has to start now to make some moves, they need to bring some guys in now to get familiar with one another rather than waiting until the offseason and having to start all over again next year and getting off to another brutal start. MacT says he is not afraid of making bold moves, lets see some.

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#56 MessyEH
January 05 2014, 12:35PM
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Naky wrote:

She can be a doctor there, she just can't leave here for two more years during her practice. Hence NTC.

Merfer, I hope some day you are in a position where you're given a raise and a transfer (or you lose the job entirely) but your significant other can't follow you so you know what that might be like. Pro sports or not, there's always a human element involved where you should treat people as you wish to be treated.

In the end, it's just a game. There's no need to be a hateful person about it. The organization has finally done something classy for a player who has been a loyal soldier for them and if they're both agreeable on the movement because things have been worked out, then great. Otherwise, I fully hope they uphold it and try to redeem some semblance of honor in that management group.

Grow up. Suck it up. Your an effing millionaire. And it is your job. The world is tough, wear a helmet

There are those of us who have had to go through a lot worse. While earning a lot less.

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#57 Rama Lama
January 04 2014, 08:31PM
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Primo wrote:

Hmmm...I guess your solution then is to change coaches pretty much on a yearly basis. Unheard of in pro sports history. Expand your horizons, look beyond the coaching. Your strategy in not sustainable. The coaches in the Oilers organization cannot continuously be held as the scapegoats year in and year out. What a joke!

Did it ever occur to you that just maybe.......we had the right coach in Krueger all along??

Keeping the wrong coach just because he started a few months ago.......now that's a joke.

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#58 forsoothed
January 04 2014, 10:38PM
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To heck with an actual NHL player, I think we'll be lucky to get a 2nd round pick back for Gagner straight up. He's massively underperforming his contract right now.

Classic buy high, sell low move.

This is the kind of crap that should get managers fired.

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#59 719
January 04 2014, 06:00PM
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Toronto seems like the best fit on paper. We need defensive help, and they need a center.

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#60 Thinker
January 04 2014, 07:11PM
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, everybody calm down. Only one man in hockey has more rings than our POHO, I think he knows a little something about winning, if that was ever in question.

Honestly though, might as well hope they at least get a useful magic bean oil king back. Lazar or Samuelson would be nice, but when they are overwhelmed in the nhl next year they wouldn't be. The team is gonna die no matter what, as long as six rings has a job. Might as well make a bunch of roster moves so you're not always yelling at the same guys.

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#61 Hockey fan 1976
January 04 2014, 10:37PM
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On a different note, it's nice to watch a real hockey game with real NHL players battling tonight on HNIC. Wow. Crazy how far the Oilers are from ever competing with the Kings/Ducks/Sharks of the NHL.

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#62 Loweblows
January 05 2014, 08:28AM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

I'm officially making the statement: you heard it here first.

For the remainder of the season we are going to:

PLAY BAD FOR EKBLAD

Obviously you are new to this site. Play bad for Ekblad has been said many times over. Stale just like Rexalls DJ.

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#63 Manfly
January 04 2014, 05:40PM
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is Eakins coach next year?....yes

do the Oil need to improve up the middle....year in and year out they do.

has Arco done enough to make Gags expendable?....no

will the Oil have the same similar talents in the top 6 next year?....yes, unless management can get over their fear of trading Yak or Ebs.

can they get value for Gagner? I doubt they ever really will. even when he had his 8 point night, we still wouldn't have gotten his true value.

my 2 cents.

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#64 vetinari
January 04 2014, 08:02PM
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Primo wrote:

Coaching is not the problem with the Oilers!! The one and only problem with the Oiler organization is ACCOUNTABILITY! There is none. 6 rings has no accountability to win. Hate to break it to you but neither do the players. 1st overalls that sign >$30MM contracts need to be held accountable for production. With the Oilers they are not! 1st overalls that don't produce RNH, YAK) require development in the AHL. That will never happen with the Oilers because they do not hold players accountable! Justin Schultz is pathetic and needs development in the AHL, that will never happen! Eberle needs to be accountable for his poor ice performance but rather he keeps playing. Nothing changes! Oiler fans wake up, coaching is not the problem.

You are arguing accountability, then hold the coaches accountable-- fire the ones that need to go.

Coaches determine the lineup, coaches determine the lines, coaches determine the time on ice for players, coaches determine how the players are deployed (PP, PK, 5v5), and the coaches determine what strategies are used. If all (or almost all) of these areas have gotten worse after a coaching change, then it likely wasn't a good coaching change.

I'm not saying it's the only problem, but it's a big one. Yak asked for a trade because of how he was being used, and it won't be long before that spreads to other players. Refusing to fix a problem because there has been too much movement at that position (i.e. the coach) recently is just not rational.

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#65 Walter Sobchak
January 04 2014, 11:58PM
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MacTavish.

Looking ahead, The Oilers have very little options left; they don’t even leverage on a trade for Gagner, which belongs to Gagner, so if Gagner want to go to the Maple Leafs….well the Oilers options are limited.

I can’t see the Oilers improving their position without massive change, not a player here or there but almost everyone.

The problems I see, MacTavish is viewed by many in the MSM as an intelligent man, after Tambellini, he is a pretty confident, well-spoken man & accommodating compared to Steve.

My issue, and has been from the start of MacTavish as GM is this; MacTavish is the same guy who helped give birth to the rebuild in the first place.

MacTavish body of work so far, most of what he has done has been on the signing and trade front is pretty unremarkable to incomprehensible.

He failed pre-draft in my estimate to move up in the draft secure a center (Monahan), this would have given him the leverage to move Gagner.

He failed to land a starting goalie, even after offering Vancouver an overpayment for Schneider.

He did the most alarming change in my mind by firing Krueger and hiring Eakins, this is what I would consider the arrogance & entitlement of the position he inherited.

Krueger had the Oilers in the hunt for a playoff position playing with a weaker team on paper & playing tougher comp, had Tambellini reacted sooner…..well we can’t judge what if’s.

I’m not buying the rookie coach thing ether, look at TB record with young kids and first year players.

While overpaying for Ference & Gordon, I thought these were actually really good support signings; Eakins & MacTavish have viewed these signing differently, both play above what their roles would be on any other team.

MacTavish went out, got no size, no talent, and no center depth, He talked about viewing Grebeshkov, Belov (the best defensemen not in the NHL) He talked about viewing Klefbom once and told the scout he’d seen enough to know.

Which brings me to a bigger question, from coach to GM & the players that left town during his time with the Oilers, is it a fair assessment his view on talent ranks extremely low?

Let’s bring in young Yakupov now, a good GM would have intervened by now, instead we get to watch the Oilers mishandle yet another young player; ask yourselves, have we seen this before with this management team?

The only way we can judge this is by results, (he actually said this during his presser) well, after 40 games the team is trending backwards, its regressing in every facet of the game, and the team needs still remain the same as the day he took over. The Oilers still need center depth, (mostly to take some heat off an 20 year old kid RNH, so he can learn and develop at an easier pace, nothing like sinking or swimming) A viable replacement for Gagner.

I’m going to throw this out there too; while Tambellini was not a good GM, he at least gave MacTavish the tools to use to get better, it’s not like MacTavish walked into his own mess & was told to clean it up, Tambellini cleaned up most of MacTavish’s & Lowe’s mess up.

So what can MacTavish do? The mess this team is in, the only real solution would bepicks prospects & anyone not named RNH or Hall has to be traded for this team to be competitive & that still might not be enough.

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#66 michael
January 05 2014, 11:26AM
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Athabascajim wrote:

Maggie the monkey could do a better job than KLowe.

I wonder if TSN would let us use Maggie the Monkey on draft day? Can't argue Maggies picks. Did a hell of a job with the playoff picks. I for one think Katz should hire Maggie the Monkey as a special assistant to the GM. Couldn't hurt at this point.Spin that wheel Maggie.

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#67 Oiler Al
January 04 2014, 10:23PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

Some real comedians posting here today. Speaking of packages... Umm actually never mind.. May be some kids reading this.

Josh, for a 6 year old, your typing isn't that bad.

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#68 D-Unit
January 05 2014, 12:08PM
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Naky wrote:

She can be a doctor there, she just can't leave here for two more years during her practice. Hence NTC.

Merfer, I hope some day you are in a position where you're given a raise and a transfer (or you lose the job entirely) but your significant other can't follow you so you know what that might be like. Pro sports or not, there's always a human element involved where you should treat people as you wish to be treated.

In the end, it's just a game. There's no need to be a hateful person about it. The organization has finally done something classy for a player who has been a loyal soldier for them and if they're both agreeable on the movement because things have been worked out, then great. Otherwise, I fully hope they uphold it and try to redeem some semblance of honor in that management group.

Not sure if you are aware of this, but many people work and live in different places than their wives, and families live, especially in Alberta. Some who get home a few days or a week a month to spend times with their wives and families, others who when they leave for work aren't sure when they will get to come home again. Also, the vast majority of them don't make 4.8 million dollars a year, or won't make that in there entire career, and don't have A doctor wife at home.

Don't give us the "human element" argument. Life isn't fair, and can be rough at times, we have to get over it, and if Sam can't, we can add that to the list of reasons he doesn't belong with the Oilers.

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#69 Manfly
January 04 2014, 07:14PM
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Stall35 wrote:

Pull the trigger, I am waiting on Gags to flourish or at least turn into a reliable NHL'er some where else just like his old buddy Cogs did in Anaheim.

Cogs numbers were mediocre at best his first season with the Ducks, and the previous two with the Oilers. he had a pretty decent year last year in 48 games and is doing roughly the same this year so far. let's not get carried away with the "flourish" stuff until we actually see if he can do it consistently year in and year out.

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#70 I tried it at home
January 04 2014, 11:42PM
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My New Years Resolutions - 1- somehow rip the Edmonton franchise from D. Katz's uncaring, unfeeling hands 2- Thanks for incredibly passionate yet totally unsuccessful management, services no longer required; K.Lowe, C.Mactavish, S.Howson, R. Olczyk, and if anyone named Messier is on the payroll, thanks. Bye. 3- Coaching. Easy enough. Thank you, gentlemen for your your long, long years of being here, but your services are no longer needed. Have a good one, and Bucky, mind signing my sweater before you leave?? (swoon)Oh, hey, Eakins. not so fast. Billy Moores is being brought in for a little chat, without anyone to look over his shoulder, Im curious what he will actually have to say about you. 4- City of Edmonton, people of Northern Alberta, and Oilersnation worldwide. A new, responsible and actually mature approach to working together on a new arena ( no invisible elevators, etc) and an honest commitment to returning to a community minded, proud and visible symbol of our HOME. Not business interst, profit streams, ego projects... OUR HOME.

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#71 RexHolez
January 05 2014, 12:42AM
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Woogie63 wrote:

Lots of talk of firing Lowe, but WHO replaces him. The President of hockey operations is critical to the vision and the standard for the team for the next ten years. It is one thing to hate on Lowe, but getting the highest quality to replace him may not be that easy.

Replace him? His job is a made up title. There is no replacing needed, just need him gone

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#72 RexHolez
January 05 2014, 12:23PM
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D-Unit wrote:

Not sure if you are aware of this, but many people work and live in different places than their wives, and families live, especially in Alberta. Some who get home a few days or a week a month to spend times with their wives and families, others who when they leave for work aren't sure when they will get to come home again. Also, the vast majority of them don't make 4.8 million dollars a year, or won't make that in there entire career, and don't have A doctor wife at home.

Don't give us the "human element" argument. Life isn't fair, and can be rough at times, we have to get over it, and if Sam can't, we can add that to the list of reasons he doesn't belong with the Oilers.

Well said. If Sam wants to stay in edmonton with his wife, he can do so without playing for the oilers

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#73 Rod from Viking
January 04 2014, 07:06PM
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Oilers trade Cog's to Ducks for a second round pick a year later that turned out to be 56th overall, he is one of the best 3rd line centers in the league. Oilers trade a 4th round pick for Jerrod Smithson,who I don't think is in the league unless it is with Marlies. What a joke, don't tell me Lowe didn't assist in both of these deals either. If the Oilers would have traded Gagner at last years deadline for a defense man maybe things would be completely different today.

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#74 Jeffff
January 04 2014, 09:43PM
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The value of all players on the Oilers decreases every year. I feel sorry for players like Gagner so many coaches lost his compete level. It will happen to all the Oilers a couple more years Hall heart will be gone.

This team is a place players go to die. Can't wait to see how many years it will take for Nurse to lose his heart.

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#75 Zarny
January 05 2014, 12:43PM
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It's funny how haters completely lose perspective. Not to mention clearly don't understand the value of offense in the NHL.

In 2011-12 no team had more than 7 players with 45 pts or more. Most teams only had 1-3. The LA Kings had 3. Chi only had 4. 55 pts would have led the Blues in scoring. Between the lockouts 30th in scoring for C was 62, 60, 56, 58, 57, 57 and 53 pts.

Gagner is 24 and just entering his prime. His career pt/gm over a full season is 50 pts and last year was on pace for 65 pts. He may have tailed off, but even if he dropped to 0.5 pt/gm he still finishes with 55. More likely closer to 60 pts which puts him at the bottom of 1C offensive production without ever having played a game in his prime.

So anyone who thinks Gagner has no value is clueless. The Leafs gave Bozak $4.2M @ 5 yrs and some think Gagner for another 2 yrs is a problem? Good grief.

Most teams are dying for skilled F who can score 50-60 pts. The Oilers have extra and need other types players. By virtue of three #1 draft picks Gagner happens to be the most favorable guy for Edm to trade.

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#76 Stall35
January 04 2014, 06:56PM
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Pull the trigger, I am waiting on Gags to flourish or at least turn into a reliable NHL'er some where else just like his old buddy Cogs did in Anaheim.

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#77 madjam
January 04 2014, 07:35PM
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Gagner probably talked with ex Oilers in Anaheim the other day , and decided he might want to go to a contender . He's probably given up the Oilers will be a contender any year soon . Time for Gagner to maybe blossom in another venue like a lot have done . Big salary like Smid had and probably quite similar scenario trading him .Expect return to be negative at best , unfortunately .

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#78 Westcoastoil
January 04 2014, 11:32PM
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As sick as we the fans are at the constant losing and ineptitude, at least we can change the channel. I'm actually at the point where I feel bad for our good players (as much as you can feel bad for a millionaire). They have to keep coming to the rink to get booed and asskicked night after night with only the witless wonders upstairs in a position to fix the mess. Which by historical evidence they are incapable of doing.

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#79 Slats
January 04 2014, 06:12PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

Package Gagner with Hemsky. Send out a notice to the other 29 GMs .. Glider Twins available for trade.

AKA "the Coaster Girls"

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#80 D-Unit
January 04 2014, 07:09PM
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-30- wrote:

Not to be a pessimist but will this end up like Andrew Cogliano?

Funny how the grass always looks greener elsewhere isn't it?

-30-

Well, when the team a guy like Cogliano, goes to, is like Anaheim it makes a huge difference. A decent player going to a GOOD team is the key. Would Cogliano be the player he is if he was in Buffalo, or the Islanders or another bottom feeder team? If you put Gagner on a Stanley Cup caliber team, he could probably excel somewhat too, but he won't be a 2C on one of those teams.

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#81 vetinari
January 04 2014, 07:22PM
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Primo wrote:

So that will make 5 coaches in the past 6 years. Do you still think a problem with the coaching?? Wake up man look beyond the coaching!!

@Primo-- we all know that there are problems with the roster and problems with upper management, but how can anyone say that the present coaching team is not the number one problem right now?

We're worse in all aspects of the game, in the standings and in player morale and performance-- if that's not signs of a coaching problem, then what is?

Are you saying that it is better to stick with the current problem just because we've had too many coaches recently? That's like saying we should stick with a bad goalie just because it would be too hard on team morale to bring it a different goalie. Identify the problem and either do something to remove it or else if you have to live with it, then minimize it.

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#82 Serious Gord
January 04 2014, 09:57PM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

Gord, another way another team may look at is almost every player the Oiler's have traded lately has been far better on the next team. With the cap they will have to take back another contract that may be deemed excessive but maybe that player will fit in better here,do you feel the Oil management is starting to feel the heat?

I think it is accurate to say that players who leave the oil on balance do better than they did in EDM. Conversely I think that the opposite has been the case for players coming to EDM (perrons regression of late is a very interesting case that may only just be developing - i had a brief on air chat with rob brown about it after the San Jose game - he may be losing heart working for this coach and this non-team team).

That said while other teams may be making that 'we can resurrect this player' calculation when they look at the possibility of trading with EDM, very little of that valuation will be credited to EDM. I can't envision MacT saying to another GM "gagner's worth more to you than he is to us because your coaches can get more out of him than our wretched staff can, so you need to cough up more on your side to get him".

As for the likely hood of a move in the near future:

I think the pressure is really on MacT to do something. Anyone looking at the schedule can see that the crushing defeats aren't going to end any time soon - pretty-much all the way to the all star break. And as some have noted above, it's very likely that buffalo will pass the oil leaving them in dead-ass last.

The pressure to act is only going to get worse - my guess is the real tipping point will be when the sales dept starts calling season ticket and regular super pack clients to talk about renewing for next year. Can you imagine the kind of calls those are going to be? And the same goes for ad sales and other marketing sales. You have to think they are looking at a lot of resistance and quite possibly some price cutting on the ad side for sure.

Once that negative pressure starts - or just before it (I imagine the marketing guys are already sqwalking about it) They will have to act if only to appear like they will be better next year.

Obviously I think the best action to take is not a trade - but to fire the POHO and the coach. That would really take the pressure off the sales dept.

More likely - if past actions foretell the future we will see a trade of gagner and or hemsky. I think tambo was conservative because Lowe insisted he be that way and that MacT is under similar constraints unless yak becomes a real public irritant and then Lowe (and Katz?) will direct that he be moved.

So yes - I think it very likely we will see something of note happen in the next six weeks. But I am very pessimistic that it will be something of significant long term benefit.

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#83 spliff
January 05 2014, 02:58AM
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@kale

Thanks.

It truly sucks being a fan of this team. I am a diehard fan of many decades, who has supported this team unconditionally through mostly mediocre or worse performance. However, this was the year I needed to see some improvement, but what we have seen is unacceptable. I don't know how MacT and they boys are going to rationalize this at the year end press conference. I do know that I am very slowly, but surely, starting to lose all hope for this organization. There must be thousands of life long and diehard fans that feel the same way. I would be very surprised if this team sells out games next year. Very surprised. The fans of this team owe MacT, KLowe, Bucky, Smith, Semenko any other ex-oiler cronies in the employ of this sad sack loser organization, nothing. Absolutely nothing.

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#84 RexHolez
January 05 2014, 09:28AM
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If I was McDavid and the oilers were picking first, I'd pull the Lindros and refuse to play here

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#85 Naky
January 05 2014, 11:47AM
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She can be a doctor there, she just can't leave here for two more years during her practice. Hence NTC.

Merfer, I hope some day you are in a position where you're given a raise and a transfer (or you lose the job entirely) but your significant other can't follow you so you know what that might be like. Pro sports or not, there's always a human element involved where you should treat people as you wish to be treated.

In the end, it's just a game. There's no need to be a hateful person about it. The organization has finally done something classy for a player who has been a loyal soldier for them and if they're both agreeable on the movement because things have been worked out, then great. Otherwise, I fully hope they uphold it and try to redeem some semblance of honor in that management group.

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#86 Kr55
January 04 2014, 05:53PM
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Jodes wrote:

But if Gagner goes to MacT and says "I want to do what's best to help the team/get me out of here" then the agreement is null don't you think?

I will agree on how he sh*t canned Krueger. That was classless. Should have manned up and did it right from the start.

Time for both of them to go..

Yup, if Gags initiated the conversation MacT is off the hook. I think that is very unlikely though. Gags is pretty comfortable in Edmonton and fought pretty hard to get his NTC and agreement to not be traded this year. Likely the MacT started up the conversation and has agreed to move Gags to a place he is OK with. Gags technically has no power in the situation, so I guess he can consider himself lucky he will have any input at all, but I'm sure he's still not very happy about it.

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#87 TeddyTurnbuckle
January 04 2014, 06:49PM
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Didn't see the hot stove but it wouldn't be the first time a rumour didn't have any legs. I can only hope. Even if you believe Gagner is a good player or not I think it's clear the organization needs to go in a different direction for the second line center. Some believe he could be moved to the wing but there is no room in the top six and then we are paying 4.8 million for a third liner. After Cogliano's impressive display last night it rubbed salt in the wound that Anahiem has a better player and value going forward . If MacT can't trade Gag's before the deadline then he may have to look at a buyout. Either way Ganger can't be back next season. Sucks that his value is at an all time low though.

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#88 Kevin
January 04 2014, 07:32PM
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LoweMustGO wrote:

MacT learned how to buy high and sell low while getting his MBA.

all the Oil Brass have an MBA- Mega Bank Accounts. Thanks to the fans and we have to suffer with this brutal team and management group ! Since we are paying the bills- though not writing the checks, what can we do not as one but strength in numbers to demand CHANGE ?

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#89 nick
January 04 2014, 09:16PM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

Exactly, I think Eakin's and Mac T is trying to change the environment into a more winner mentality but it is 2 against 100 or so it seems.

Unfortunately the coach that MacT hired is totally incompetent. Normally would agree that coach is not the problem but Eakins is just a very very bad coach and he must be removed. If the two of those guys are trying to change the mentality they have a very strange way of trying to accomplish it.

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#90 Andrew
January 05 2014, 12:56AM
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I am not and never have been a believer in Gagner. However if he or his representation think this is about a change of scenery they are delusional. Gagner is pathetic in the face-off circle and his own end. For 7+ seasons he has been the recipient of one golden opportunity after another and he scarcely seems to have learned anything.

He was a poor draft choice who was valued based on his jr linemates. I pray Friedman is not toying with us.

Bye bye, Sammy, your play makes me (Gag)ner. I will miss your post-loss opining and canned excuses (NOT)!!!

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#91 Rod from Viking
January 04 2014, 10:45PM
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Hockey fan 1976 wrote:

On a different note, it's nice to watch a real hockey game with real NHL players battling tonight on HNIC. Wow. Crazy how far the Oilers are from ever competing with the Kings/Ducks/Sharks of the NHL.

Watching L.A. come back and beat Vancouver, Quick, Doughty, good players on both sides battling. If only in Edmonton.....

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#92 Serious Gord
January 04 2014, 10:45PM
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Dave wrote:

I agree with Serious - the poor play has already impacted all sorts of revenue streams. Fans and sponsors had hope at the start of the year and now the hope is gone... in fact the whole situation reminds me the the last days of the Pocklington regime. I could go to a game and pick my seat at the game.

The easiest way to gain hope is a whole scale coaching change during the Olympic break. Trading Sam would help the team but would not restore hope. Fans and sponsors need hope.

One aspect regarding seasons ticket holders and regular superpack buyers that is rarely if at all, discussed publically is that many of those holders have for years either broken even or made money selling those tickets in the secondary markets.

Many are writing off the purchase cost and selling and not reporting the sale for cash. If your tax bracket is 38% you can sell them for a pretty hefty discount off the posted price and still be in the black. Many cherry pick the games they want to see and the sell the remainder at enough of a margin that they essentially get to watch for free.

That market has got to be getting rocky. And these "tier one" buyers won't tolerate losses both on ice or from their wallet.

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#93 Saytalk
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I fear the worst for DSF. He may have found, Oilers fans have been doing a better job of destroying all hope.

I think he got bored when we all started agreeing with him on how bad this team is.

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#94 Freewheeling Freddie
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Do you think Justin Schultz wishes he had signes in Anaheim? What snow job did Lowe and company do to convince him to come here? I remember Dave Lumley saying the Oilers should have been on the phone after Sams eight point night .He is absolutely right. Too slow too timid .The Oilers have no vision, his trade value will be very low right now .However Sam if you need a ride to the airport call me. Also to all you Eakins haters, he was put in a very tough position. He had to keep the 3 stooges Smith Bucky and Chabot. Why couldn't he bring in his own coaches? Lowe just threw him out to the wolves. The coach and players are in a serious world of hurt. Time for management to grow some gonads and do an intervention

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#95 EricOG
January 04 2014, 05:45PM
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Is Dallas Eakins the coach of next year's team? At some point, they have to give the coach time and his very own assistants. That should be priority.

Do the Oilers need to improve up the middle? Of course they do. Is this a trick question? Has Mark Arcobello done enough to make Gagner expendable? They cannot have two small centers in the top two. This has been said over and over.

Will the organization have the same number of similar talents in the top 6F next season? Let's just hope for the best on that one.

Can they get value for Gagner? If Sam plays with Hall, thus improving his numbers, yes.

Is Gagner a part of the future with Eakins in charge? I think it is a little obvious that a Dallas Eakins kind of team is far from what the on-ice product is at the moment. Let's face it, they should have never let Tom Renney go. Wether we liked him or not. That move right there, is one of the reasons for the current state of the team.

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#96 Manfly
January 04 2014, 07:31PM
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Primo wrote:

So that will make 5 coaches in the past 6 years. Do you still think a problem with the coaching?? Wake up man look beyond the coaching!!

people who don't want their favorite players traded will always think yet another coaching change is the answer....I don't and it isn't. we still have several players here that don't buy into Eakins system and didn't try to buy into previous coaching systems.....time to make the players accountable!

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#97 MessyEH
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Forget about a whole line of 1st overalls. The Oilers may be able to ice fwds, D pairing and a goalie of 1st overalls.

Is this how the Islanders fans feel?

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#98 papler
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@Walter Sobchak

I agree with most of what you write. McT made some glaring mistakes (Eakins, Ference&Gagner for too much $). But one tends to forget that in a trade market you need 2 sides come to a trade agreement.

IMHO it's unfair to blame McT for not trading up or landing a new goalie. We all know he tried, but the trading partners clearly wanted too much or were exploring other otions as well. Best example: VAN was willing to trade Schneider, but were hesitant to trade him to a Division rival. You cannot blame McT for that.

I'm relieved that the Clarkson deal didn't materialize. That would've been a terrible signing but by the time most would've probably applauded the deal Clarkson seemed just what this team needed.

The biggest mistake, as I see it, was hiring Eakins, a coach with no NHL record, known only for his success with developing players in the AHL. What baffles me is that McT "liked" what he heard in the interview and based the hiring (and the sacking of Krueger) on that. That is an emotional move and unfortunately, emotions are the worst guide when running a business. I hope that was a rookie mistake by our GM and doesn't repeat itself. God help us, if he makes decisions based on emotions

also: smokey was over the line

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#99 john
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What is wrong with all you people? Kevin Lowe is not to blame, why don't you apply for the president or GM job if you guys think you can run an NHL team? Hockey Canada has Lowe on board for years with international hockey, if he is so bad they would not hire him. Katz own over a billion dollars pharmacy empire, do you think he does not know how to let people run his business? It's the coaches that run the team, that's where the wins and loses count. This team has too many coaches over the years that are screwing with the development of the players. Eakins is the wrong guy there now, worst in goals against, power plays and penalty kills are worse than previous years. The team is not winning, he is screwing up Yakupov (look what happened when he got more ice time, he scored each of the last 2 games) and now Sam Gagner (he broke his jaws and now he is in the dog house). We are keep trading players away and then they blossom else where. Eakins screwed up Nazem Kadri over here in Toronto too, because it's his way or the high way style of coaching. So big deal if he can bike in a marathon in Denver that has nothing to do with winning hockey games. That's the bottom line, score goals and allow less goals against and win games. I m a fan living in Toronto, it's so sad to see Oilers are not doing well right now. Ralph Kruger was doing a fine job last few years there getting the players playing. I don't see them are having fun out there playing this year.

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#100 spliff
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Kind of ironic that on the same day Cogliano is offered a 3 year 12 million contract to play for one of the best teams in the league, rumors arise about trading Sam Gagner.

I believed in MacT, maybe impressed by no-nonsense talk and apparent intelligence. However, I have now realized that he is just another incompetent manager in a long line of incompetent managers, who are getting schooled by almost every other management team in the league. If you stop and think how many bad signings, bad draft picks, bad trades, PR fiascos and bush-league moves the management group of the Oilers have made in the past 8 years, then is it really any surprise that they find themselves where they are? Katz must be a smart guy, being a billionaire businessman. So WTF can he not see this?

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