SAM GAGNER'S NAME "OUT THERE"

Lowetide
January 04 2014 05:10PM

During tonight's Hotstove portion of the HNIC pre-game, Elliotte Friedman told the nation "Sam Gagner's name is out there" and suggested the Oilers would find him a place he'd be comfortable with playing (if a transaction were to be completed). It sounds very much like the team and player have decided a move could be made if it fits for all sides, although specifics weren't covered in the brief report.

LATE SEPTEMBER (21st)

Gagner's season went sideways in a hurry one autumn night in Vancouver, and the impact has been felt by player and team all season long. I don't for a minute believe that the Kassian stick incident led us to this day, but it probably hurried it along.

Bottom line: Craig MacTavish has to make plans for next year. He has to ask questions:

  1. Is Dallas Eakins the coach of next year's team?
  2. Do the Oilers need to improve up the middle?
  3. Has Mark Arcobello done enough to make Gagner expendable?
  4. Will the organization have the same number of similar talents in the top 6F next season?
  5. Can they get value for Gagner?
  6. Is Gagner a part of the future with Eakins in charge?

Those are tough questions, but the news today suggests that they exist in the organization and Sam Gagner (who perhaps Gagner has questions about his future as an Oiler) may be heading out of Edmonton during the season.

What does it all mean? Well, you never get full value in these situations, so prepare to be disappointed with the return. On the other hand, the Oilers will be going to market next summer with more money and will very likely arrive at training camp next fall with a bigger lineup.

We wait.

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#101 Serious Gord
January 05 2014, 01:48PM
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Cannot believe there is even a discussion about a player's spouse's career choices having an impact on what to do with a player.

If MacT signed gagner because of it he should have been fired and if he's negotiating with that in mind now he should be fired. His one and only concern should be what's in the best Inteest of the team. These players are amply compensated to deal with their off ice family issues on their own.

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#102 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 04 2014, 07:01PM
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TeddyTurnbuckle wrote:

Didn't see the hot stove but it wouldn't be the first time a rumour didn't have any legs. I can only hope. Even if you believe Gagner is a good player or not I think it's clear the organization needs to go in a different direction for the second line center. Some believe he could be moved to the wing but there is no room in the top six and then we are paying 4.8 million for a third liner. After Cogliano's impressive display last night it rubbed salt in the wound that Anahiem has a better player and value going forward . If MacT can't trade Gag's before the deadline then he may have to look at a buyout. Either way Ganger can't be back next season. Sucks that his value is at an all time low though.

Combine the idea that this management team doesn't have the courage to trade a player who is playing well with the idea that Gagner is not part of the winning equation here and you get to the idea that his playing poorly and lowering his trade value is actually and paradoxically, a net win......it's the only way he gets moved. Sad but true.

I would prefer to keep him till he's playing better...but when he's playing better I don't trust that they'll move him...so I'd rather see him go now.

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#103 Primo
January 04 2014, 07:54PM
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vetinari wrote:

@Primo-- we all know that there are problems with the roster and problems with upper management, but how can anyone say that the present coaching team is not the number one problem right now?

We're worse in all aspects of the game, in the standings and in player morale and performance-- if that's not signs of a coaching problem, then what is?

Are you saying that it is better to stick with the current problem just because we've had too many coaches recently? That's like saying we should stick with a bad goalie just because it would be too hard on team morale to bring it a different goalie. Identify the problem and either do something to remove it or else if you have to live with it, then minimize it.

Coaching is not the problem with the Oilers!! The one and only problem with the Oiler organization is ACCOUNTABILITY! There is none. 6 rings has no accountability to win. Hate to break it to you but neither do the players. 1st overalls that sign >$30MM contracts need to be held accountable for production. With the Oilers they are not! 1st overalls that don't produce RNH, YAK) require development in the AHL. That will never happen with the Oilers because they do not hold players accountable! Justin Schultz is pathetic and needs development in the AHL, that will never happen! Eberle needs to be accountable for his poor ice performance but rather he keeps playing. Nothing changes! Oiler fans wake up, coaching is not the problem.

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#104 40 Double D
January 04 2014, 08:19PM
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The Oilers are so proud to 'Select glad for Ekblad.' And next year, we'll 'Brave it for McDavid.'

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#105 MessyEH
January 04 2014, 08:57PM
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The only measure of a player's worth is his ability to help his team.

Gagner does not help us.

He may just be what the Devils need. We need someone like Adam Larson. Not yet a #1 Dmen. But may be soon.

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#106 papler
January 05 2014, 02:09AM
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Re: Eakins

I still don't get why they declare that the organisation is going to compete for the playoffs and then hire a rookie coach.

I understand the opinion by some, that another coaching change would hinder player development etc. But i can't help but think about the Concorde Fallacy (aka sunk cost fallacy) with this whole thing. Yes, they would lose another year (the "sunk cost" in this case being time and coaches salary). But that should NOT be the reason to stick with Eakins. The only reason should be if they still believe (and have some sort of evidence) that Eakins can coach this team to success. If they don't, they should replace him asap to not waste any more time

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#107 Spydyr
January 05 2014, 07:11AM
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Please package Gagner, Hemsky one of the many 5-6 defenceman and a prospect for one NHL center or defencmen.

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#108 K_Mart
January 05 2014, 07:40AM
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Shopping list has been the same ever since Visnovsky was given away and souray was run out of town...

Top veteran d man, top veteran centre who can teach these kids by showing them what to do.

and still we wait...

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#109 season not played
January 05 2014, 08:40AM
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As we all know, there are several aspects to managing an NHL hockey team.

Player Procurement/Roster Construction

Pro Scouting

Amateur Scouting and Drafting

Coaching Staff Selection

Contract/Salary Cap Management

Player Management and Development

Minor League Affiliate Management

I would guess I have missed some but I would think these are the heavy hitters. Now granted I am one disenchanted Oiler fan, but when I look at that list objectively I do not see one area where this management group has done a good job. They make questionable decisions almost every time there is one to make. Now someone could refute that statement, but the proof is on the ice, in their record. There is no disputing this team is really bad and has been for years. The management group, whoever is or has been in charge has run this franchise completely into the toilet. And the frustratingly perplexing part of the whole situation is the same people who have demonstrated no ability whatsoever to properly construct and manage an NHL team(they got lucky in 2006)are in charge of cleaning up their own mess. And I don't buy that bold moves hasn't had a chance. Every move he made in the summer has contibuted to this team being worse. Partial credit for Perron, but that is far outweighed by the Eakins fiasco alone. So we can talk Gagner trade, free agency, top two draft, trade deadline, whatever. Is it reasonable to believe this current management group is capable of doing anything to improve this hockey team in any meaningful way? Unfortunatley no. It is a perennial bottom feeder organization run by people who have essentially no idea what they are doing. Proof is in results.

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#110 Danger Pay
January 05 2014, 12:02PM
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Brian wrote:

I had to keep pausing to wipe the tears out of my eyes. God that's funny. Pure gold.

"Ok,everyone who thinks Shea Weber will be an Oiler, leave now" LOL

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#111 Josh Oiler
January 04 2014, 08:24PM
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Primo wrote:

Joshy...judging buy your intelligent comments the only comedian is you. I suspect you have never played sports based on your comments. Accountability comes from the players on the ice. Thats right. The ones that are accountable for heart, desire, loyalty, hard work and production. In return they get fame, recognition, an opportunity to play in an elite league and wealth i.e. juicy pay checks. Quit blaming the coaches "intel" man!

"JOSHY"

Haha I've never been called that before. YOU MUST BE A HOCKEY PLAYER!!! I'd like to know on what level?

Look here Primo Pasta and Sauce, there are some coaches you'd run thru a brick wall for..... And some you'd take a piss on.... Accountability??

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#112 Dan
January 05 2014, 01:24AM
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So what were the Oil thinking in signing Gagner to that big contract, and now supposedly trading him. Not sure what the Oilers are doing...Gags is just one more guy that is being crushed by the constant losing. RNH, Hall and Ebs will be next if the Oilers don't figure this out. Funny how Cogs was roasted here in EDM as being undersized and not skilled enough to be a top 6 performer...all it took for him to reach his potential was to be traded out of Edmonton. typical, anyone leaving EDM blossoms, anyone coming to EDM goes backward.

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#113 OIL or NOTHING
January 05 2014, 04:30AM
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Having read through the comments, I have only 1 question

Where is DSF?

I would prefer to have him around as blog clown over this "Josh Oiler"

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#114 MessyEH
January 05 2014, 06:42AM
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2007 draft is to blame for today's a lot of todays mess. Three 1st round pics. (Riley Nash and Alex Plante. WTF.)

Gagner is almost a bust. (Based off of draft position.) 2007 draft redox here.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=634928

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#115 S cottV
January 05 2014, 11:26AM
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K_Mart wrote:

Not sure why anyone expected us to even be a bubble team this year.

We are the youngest team in the league when you average the age of players based on minutes played each night.

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/10/17/are-the-edmonton-oilers-the-youngest-team-in-the-league-or-how-math-shrunk-big-john-scott/

Chicago scores the most and their top 4 forwards are 34,32,25,25 years of age.

Ours are 20,20,22,23. Think about it. Not realistic for fans to expect the smallest, youngest, least physical forward core to actually succeed at this level.

So let's give these young guys trying to find their way in the NHL a young first year Coach to find his way too. That way they can relate better with each other.

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#116 merfer
January 05 2014, 11:41AM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

Agree, Can a Canadian doctor practice in the U.S. or not? This would have a huge impact on where Sam could go. If this player would have spent a year more in junior and a year or two in the AHL would he be a more complete player? I would think so, the years of being thrown to the wolves and this years broken jaw as well as no one dealing with Kassian and all the problems with this team, I think it has him wanting out and no one could blame him.

I never said Joensuu was an upgrade and Mac T made other signings that didn't work out and they would have been made with input from the pro scouting staff that have not done a good job.

I like Gegner as a person but I'm sorry, he gets paid 5 million a year so who cares if his wife to be, can't be a doctor in the states. Just ship him off to anyone who will take him so we can get out from underneath this horrible con tract. MacT has made him a rich man so I have little pity on how this will impact him or her. You would hope that Mac T would be able to find some one to play 2nd or 3rd line centre for a last place team, at least till the end of this year.

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#117 Primo
January 04 2014, 08:19PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

Some real comedians posting here today. Speaking of packages... Umm actually never mind.. May be some kids reading this.

Joshy...judging buy your intelligent comments the only comedian is you. I suspect you have never played sports based on your comments. Accountability comes from the players on the ice. Thats right. The ones that are accountable for heart, desire, loyalty, hard work and production. In return they get fame, recognition, an opportunity to play in an elite league and wealth i.e. juicy pay checks. Quit blaming the coaches "intel" man!

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#118 Serious Gord
January 05 2014, 12:30AM
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Woogie63 wrote:

Lots of talk of firing Lowe, but WHO replaces him. The President of hockey operations is critical to the vision and the standard for the team for the next ten years. It is one thing to hate on Lowe, but getting the highest quality to replace him may not be that easy.

There are plenty of candidates out there. The list begins but does not end with every GM in the nhl. Jetissoning Lowe now gives a search team several months to find the best of the bunch.

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#119 spliff
January 05 2014, 04:00AM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

Oilers trade Cog's to Ducks for a second round pick a year later that turned out to be 56th overall, he is one of the best 3rd line centers in the league. Oilers trade a 4th round pick for Jerrod Smithson,who I don't think is in the league unless it is with Marlies. What a joke, don't tell me Lowe didn't assist in both of these deals either. If the Oilers would have traded Gagner at last years deadline for a defense man maybe things would be completely different today.

So...the Ducks fleeced the Oil and got Cogliano. Didn't the Ducks also get Souray, another Oiler castoff who we let go for nothing, because he disrespected the Oilers organization. But who is really disrespecting the organization? I would argue that its KLowe, MacT and their buddies, everyday they come to work, and do more damage to this once proud franchise.

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#120 Jason
January 04 2014, 08:20PM
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What troubles me is that every year for the last 5 we have said that we have speed and finesse with a promising offense, but we need more reliable goaltending, and bigger, stronger, nastier forwards and defense.

As much as MacT has overpromised and underdelivered, he has acquired more reliable goaltending ( Bryzgalov), and bigger, stronger, nastier forwards and defense (He added Perron, Gordon, Gadzic and drafted Nurse)

Not yet the results, but mover toward that end.

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#121 Serious Gord
January 04 2014, 10:34PM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

I know how my renewal call is going to go. I think the corporations are finding clients are not really enthused about going to games anymore and hopefully will be looking for a better "PR" investment. I wonder if people are taking their names of the waiting list. As far as buddy Bob Stauffer goes I bet this is driving him crazy trying to defend this nightmare.

I think bob is in agony over how bad this organization is. I also think that he knows that the issues begin and end with Lowe. And that there is very little evidence that Katz has the guts to fire him.

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#122 psale63
January 05 2014, 01:06AM
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6 ring circus wrote:

Does everyone remember when Tambellini first took over? They blamed the losing on the veterans and the bad attitude and they got rid of them,then management blamed the training staff after Souray called them out because the Oilers wanted him to play hurt and they were all fired,then management blamed the losing on man games lost do to injury and coaching for a few seasons,now Eakins is blaming the losing on inexperience and the players do not understand defense systems,WTF the team is made up mostly of young players and wasn't Eakins hired because he had success developing young players? When will the blaming carousal end up on management and the professional and amateur scouting departments, they are the idiots who put this team together!!!

Easy, when we the fans stop paying and supporting this circus...

Sh!t rolls downhill, management has used every excuse in the book to explain the teams lack of success and progress the past 8 years. It's time the fans let the sh!t roll on Kevin Lowe.

I would love to hear a 'Fire Kevin Lowe!' chant on HNIC! That might get a few peoples attention...

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#123 JDP
January 05 2014, 09:00AM
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This organization is a joke. I can't believe people still go and pay to watch a team lose every year. I was a fan of cogs. But even a inexperienced fellow like myself always thought that he was more of a winger than a centre. I'm happy for him and glad he was shipped away from this pathetic team. It's pretty bad when a lonely pathetic American commentator goes off on the oilers. Pathetic!

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#124 Brian
January 04 2014, 06:59PM
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LoweMustGO wrote:

MacT learned how to buy high and sell low while getting his MBA.

It might have been Serious Gord, or another poster , who pointed out that MacT's "MBA" has an asterisk; one you can normally buy rather than earn.

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#125 Primo
January 04 2014, 07:13PM
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vetinari wrote:

Is it a case of a coach who can't use a player properly or a case of a player who wants a new start?

Frankly, almost all of the Oilers are underperforming right now which makes me think that it is more a problem with the coaching and if you are going to make a change anywhere, start there, and start now.

So that will make 5 coaches in the past 6 years. Do you still think a problem with the coaching?? Wake up man look beyond the coaching!!

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#126 HardBoiledOil
January 04 2014, 11:22PM
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Jimbo wrote:

Oilers are on pace to lose 48 games. Management is still getting paid. Ha Ha Ha

I have posted it here and there on hockey boards about how the Oilers will be lucky to win 25 games this year!

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#127 kale
January 05 2014, 02:38AM
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@spliff

best post of the night

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#128 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 05 2014, 08:12AM
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Woogie63 wrote:

Lots of talk of firing Lowe, but WHO replaces him. The President of hockey operations is critical to the vision and the standard for the team for the next ten years. It is one thing to hate on Lowe, but getting the highest quality to replace him may not be that easy.

on the bright side, literally locking the door to his office and leaving the position unfilled would probably not result in this getting any worse.

heaven forbid mr.katz drags himself away from spooning with his gravy new arena deal long enough to deal with something...anything...

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#129 JDP
January 05 2014, 09:19AM
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And why was smid traded anyway. To clear up a spot in the dressing room for klowe?

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#130 JDP
January 05 2014, 09:33AM
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And fristric? You sent him loose too. Local guy as well.

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#131 JDP
January 05 2014, 09:34AM
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If I was hall Id ask for a buyout.

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#132 S cottV
January 05 2014, 09:45AM
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JDP wrote:

He could be playing with cogs and winning some games as apposed to looking like a moron just like the rest of the team.

The Ducks would have quickly figured out that Shultz needs to work on the defensive side of his game in the AHL.

In fact they probably told him so to begin with and he bolted to a team dumb enough to play him from the get go.

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#133 Stall35
January 04 2014, 09:01PM
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reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan) wrote:

DO NOT LET MACT MAKE A TRADE!! He is stupid. the problem is incompetence at the top so why let a fool make a trade for this team?

Not gonna get anything for Gagner anyway and Arco has not shown to be a replacement yet.

Its what Edmonton teams do...hand the reigns to the geniuses (not so much)...look at what Tillman did for our Eskimos....or rather what he did for the Argonauts...lol

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#134 The Swarm
January 04 2014, 09:12PM
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madjam wrote:

Gagner probably talked with ex Oilers in Anaheim the other day , and decided he might want to go to a contender . He's probably given up the Oilers will be a contender any year soon . Time for Gagner to maybe blossom in another venue like a lot have done . Big salary like Smid had and probably quite similar scenario trading him .Expect return to be negative at best , unfortunately .

I am not sure much of a return is required when you're paying someone close to $5m/yr for a guy that serves no specific purpose. He's not a terrible player but doesn't excel at anything.

Is he...

A PP specialist? Nope - average at best and can't retreive pucks. Shootout specialist? Nope, not anymore, not sure he's top 3 on the team. Defensive specialist? NOPE. Face-off specialist? NOPE. Crasher? NOPE. Leadership? NOPE.

The Oilers need players that can play specific roles VERY well.

I say get what you can for him, and hopefully whatever comes back for him can fill a specific role.

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#135 Kr55
January 04 2014, 10:00PM
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Jimbo wrote:

Oilers are on pace to lose 48 games. Management is still getting paid. Ha Ha Ha

so you're telling me you're impatient after ONLY 4 years of King Lowe's genius master plan???

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#136 Walter Sobchak
January 05 2014, 03:46AM
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@papler

Good points

I’ll concede the Vancouver point, but I’m wondering why the Oilers didn’t three way that deal? What gets me more is MacTavish then went out and got a career back up, a goalie that on his best day wouldn’t be able to compete with Dubnyk.

Why wouldn’t he look for a competent back up to challenge Dubnyk? A quick search just on NHL.com shows at least a half dozen teams the Oilers could trade with prior to the season even starting.

Instead MacTavish reacted late, over paid via UFA for a horrible goalie, and then signed an equally bad goalie again?

The Gagner deal actually is much worse in terms of leverage and tradability, prior to the season starting or the deal itself, Gagner should have been moved, when your average fan knows that your 2C isn’t going to get it done, then signing a guy based on character is by the very definition insane.

The fact that MacTavish was going to pay Clarkson more with longer term & the fact Clarkson choose the Leafs, tells us a couple things.

The Oilers have to grossly overpay for average talent, that free agents despite being thrown huge dollar’s by the Oilers would rather play elsewhere, but the most damning of all, the Oilers would rather whale hunt UFA’s then draft develop and procure talent through scouting & trades, this is the fundamental reason why the Oilers feel into the abyss in the first place, coincidentally under the MacTavish,Lowe,Tambellini era.

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#137 Sisyphus
January 05 2014, 07:41AM
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Just a thought....and let me be clear before I begin that I don't think any of Oilers current mgmt team is particularly brilliant.

That said, the Oilers are in a tough spot. Every GM in the league knows how bad we are, and how desperate we must be to improve. The current make-up of the team leaves very, very few truly trade-able assets to offer to other teams. The vast majority of our players (entire 3/4 lines, pretty much all dmen, all goalies) are the kind that other teams MIGHT see as fringe players at best. Certainly nothing worth trading for, let alone trading a solid NHL center/dman, etc. for.

Given that, I do think MacT may be trying his best, but he's finding that any trades at all in the next year or two are going to be very hard for the Oilers to break even on, let alone win. Other teams have little use for most of our players, and the players they would be interested in, we either can't or wont get rid of.

Gagner--never happening. Certainly not just before a NTC and contract starts. That's a fool's bet that he stops sucking. Hemmer--they'll just wait until he walks from EDM to pick him up, no one wants him for a playoff run. Yak might be valuable, but given his tantrums earlier, his one-dimensional play, the risk of KHL bolting--won't be as valuable as we'd really like. That leaves Ebs, RNH, and Hall. And two of the three we basically will not get rid of, no matter how bad things get.

So how DO you make the kind of big trades needed to improve this team in the next 1-4 years, when you basically only have 1.5 tradeable players to use (Ebs & Yak)?

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#138 Thumby
January 05 2014, 08:29AM
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Vance in LA wrote:

Hello all. I am Vance (in LA) and this is my first excursion into this sphere of anonymous insults, rants, insights, observations, personal attacks, unfounded rumour and humour. It has been both disappointing and enlightening. I must first take exception to the promo proclaiming Mr. L Tide as a 'shining contributor for over a century'. By my count it is only 83 years, 4 months. Only the great John Short can lay claim to such longevity. Then again, King John is the only reporter alive who actually covered the original 26 mile run from Marathon to Athens live in 490 BC. His interview with Pheidippides is legendary and still controversial, considering he was the only contestant and died immediately after his victorious interview with John. Let us not blame him. As for Dallas Eakins? Tis strange how quickly the tide can turn. Wasn't it just yesterday he was the wave of new young thinking? Of aggressive offense? The opposite of past 'defence first' coaches? Utilizing the offensive talents of this young roster? And then we were introduced to "the swarm", a magical trick in the AHL that was exposed as ridiculous against the best in the world. Then the 5 forward powerplay that would change hockey, and digressed to the most shorthanded goals in the league. And now we witness defencemen coming up the boards with the puck and pulling a 360 degree to get separation from the forechecker. That laughter you hear isn't mine: that's Mike Babcock and Ken Hitchcock. They just can't help themselves. I think it's cruel. But to question Dallas Eakins value is more than fair; every aspect of the team is worse. PP,PK, 5 v 5, but most condemning, the 'kids' have stagnated. The very future of this franchise have either taken a step sideways or backwards. And Lord knows Yak has struggled, but I didn't realize that he was drafted for his checking and defence. Stupid me. Eakins is far from the only problem this team has, but it is apparent he is one of many. Which means he is part of the problem. MacT had to know he was taking a chance with an inexperienced AHL coach, and a very weak supporting staff. So why give the guy a 4 year contract? He wouldn't have signed for 2? Perhaps the NHL needs to implement an entry level contract restriction for coaches, to protect them from themselves. Gagner? Oh my word. We've known for 5 years what he is; smart, tenacious, committed and not a top 2 center, too slow for 3rd line checking, and too small for 4th line banging. His trade value? In my world, zero. But considering the Oilers just got a 17th round pick for Linus Omark, Gagner might just get you Stamkos. I dunno. Tis indeed the winter of our discontent. After 8 years, it's beginning to feel like the Ice Age of our Discontent.

A better year to you all. Thanks for reading.

Vancee in LA

Nice read and some good points.

However, I have just one word for you today regarding grammar. That word is "paragraphs" - you should try and use them.

That is all.

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#139 outdoorzguy
January 05 2014, 09:35AM
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First phase of the fan protest: stop wearing Oiler jerseys to games. Let there be a visual sign of frustration. Besides not going to the games (which we all know won't happen), this would serve a good purpose. When your kid asks why he can't wear his jersey tell them it's because the team sucks. Signs won't work because A/ you'll have a hard time getting anything into the building and B/ the Oiler game day staff will have Northlands security and usher staff take it away from you (Oiler staff won't do this, they don't like to be seen as pissing of their fan base and they're busy just watching the game). The chants are effective. You know, "Fire Lowe", "Fire the Coaching Staff" but I don't think the fans are themselves prepared to do that. I've said it before and others have as well, the only real form of protest that is to keep $$$$ from going into the Oilers bank account and ultimately the pockets of Katz. That means don't buy future tickets (I realize most of them have been sold for the season), don't buy Oiler logo'd items, don't get your flu shot at a Rexall/Medicine Shoppe pharmacy (or anything else for that matter) and stop supporting anything remotely attached to the Oilers. Economics are the only thing that will affect this team. Clearly they don't care what either tier of fan has to say and it is becoming apparent that they don't have the ability to clearly assess that there is a bad product on the ice. There has been two significant events in the last few years that has got managements attention. McKinnons question which got us the 6 ring answer and a jersey on the ice. But even these instances died out because the media have almost gone out of their way not to challenge management with the hard questions and as much as I hate to say it, I think the fan base has learned to accept the organizational philosophy of mediocrity.

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#140 Brian
January 05 2014, 11:17AM
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How bout Gags to Carolina for Keegan Lowe, or would Lowe refuse to report?

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#141 MessyEH
January 05 2014, 12:50PM
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@Zarny

Gagner has trade value. You can tell that from the amount of traffic on the interwebs and forums. Lots of different teams fans want him. I have said for a while Gagner and Ebs have got to go. They do not make this TEAM better. They could be package to bring us in some solid depth. MacT should be working the phones.

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#142 merfer
January 05 2014, 02:31PM
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D-Unit wrote:

Not sure if you are aware of this, but many people work and live in different places than their wives, and families live, especially in Alberta. Some who get home a few days or a week a month to spend times with their wives and families, others who when they leave for work aren't sure when they will get to come home again. Also, the vast majority of them don't make 4.8 million dollars a year, or won't make that in there entire career, and don't have A doctor wife at home.

Don't give us the "human element" argument. Life isn't fair, and can be rough at times, we have to get over it, and if Sam can't, we can add that to the list of reasons he doesn't belong with the Oilers.

No kidding life isn't fair. I won't make $15,000,000 in 5 lifetimes and that's just his last contract. You cannot tell me she can't finish her medical degree or practice in some other city. Please, thats crap. I know he doesn't want to disturb her right now, OK,then he should start playing like someone who wants to stay on this team, not the garbage that he has been producing. I know he can play a lot better than this. When you go out and get paid like this you need to start producing or accept the consequences.

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#143 michael
January 04 2014, 06:52PM
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Reagan wrote:

Salary for salary.

Gagner for Del Zotto.

I would do that deal and throw in a case of Alberta beef T bone steaks and a box of Cuban Cigars.

Lowetide I am so frustrated with Eakins right now that I am the last person to ask about his future with this franchise. I posted earlier today some of my feelings towards the man. The numbers are against him. But are the numbers a product of the players not grasping his system. Or are they a product of system play that does not work. Eakins is an issue for the off season. I just can't put all this mess on the players. Eakins has a few personality issues that rub me the wrong way.

The Oilers trade Gagner at this point it opens the can of worms at center. Would sam Rheinharts name be then in the mix.Or alternatively would Paul Stastny's or O'Reilly.

Either way I don't see MacT doing anything before the trade deadline.

The season is a write off. The question for me is who on the Oilers will step up to the challenge and show that despite the record they have pride.

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#144 D-Unit
January 04 2014, 07:26PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

I told everyone yesterday!!!

Lindy Ruff was available and the Oilers didn't move!

Brian Burke could have also been had as GM!

MacT: ITS TIME TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON A BLOCKBUSTER DEAL

Sam Gagner and 2014 1st round pick for David Clarkeson.

For Burke to be the Oilers GM, Klowe would have had to be gone.

Also, Burke most likely would have had to have the POHO job, which would be a good thing.

I would love to hear Burke give true assessment of the Oilers players, Bobby Ryan style. Coaches and Management too.

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#145 MessyEH
January 04 2014, 08:16PM
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Primo wrote:

Hmmm...I guess your solution then is to change coaches pretty much on a yearly basis. Unheard of in pro sports history. Expand your horizons, look beyond the coaching. Your strategy in not sustainable. The coaches in the Oilers organization cannot continuously be held as the scapegoats year in and year out. What a joke!

Please take the time to look at the roster turnover. the Oilers have gone through a lot of players over the last 4 years.

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#146 Salvation
January 04 2014, 09:22PM
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Roster for next year, if UFA breaks our direction

Hall 6 RNH 6 Ebs 6 - Perron 3.8 P. Stastny 5.5 Yak 3.75 - D Winnik 2.5 Gordon 3 Downie 3 Smyth 1 Arco 1.5 Brad Boyes 2

Ehrhoff 4 Shultz (3x3) Ekblad 3.75 Ference 3.25 Nurse 1.7 Petry 2.75 MAX

=62.5

AROUND 8.5 MILL IN CAP Leave 2.25 for YAK extension (7 years 6 mill if he earns it) Leaves 6.25 for a goalie to GET AND ACTUAL GOALIE!!!! Spend 5 on a goalie 1A and 1.25 goalie B

You're welcome MAC T. What say you nation?

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#147 Dave
January 04 2014, 10:31PM
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I agree with Serious - the poor play has already impacted all sorts of revenue streams. Fans and sponsors had hope at the start of the year and now the hope is gone... in fact the whole situation reminds me the the last days of the Pocklington regime. I could go to a game and pick my seat at the game.

The easiest way to gain hope is a whole scale coaching change during the Olympic break. Trading Sam would help the team but would not restore hope. Fans and sponsors need hope.

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#148 Dog Train
January 04 2014, 10:46PM
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Sam Gagner is not a good fit for what we need going forward. He could be of use to another team but everybody knows Edmonton is desperate right now. I don't see a big return but the fact is that we will not win with our top 6 currently constructed the way that it is.

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#149 Serious Gord
January 04 2014, 11:36PM
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HardBoiledOil wrote:

I have posted it here and there on hockey boards about how the Oilers will be lucky to win 25 games this year!

They have only won 9 in regulation so far. There is an outside chance they win fewer than twenty out of 82. Since '68 I'm pretty sure that that is in the top twenty-five for worst win record for a team that still exists.

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#150 MessyEH
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I fear the worst for DSF. He may have found, Oilers fans have been doing a better job of destroying all hope.

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