SAM GAGNER'S NAME "OUT THERE"

Lowetide
January 04 2014 05:10PM

During tonight's Hotstove portion of the HNIC pre-game, Elliotte Friedman told the nation "Sam Gagner's name is out there" and suggested the Oilers would find him a place he'd be comfortable with playing (if a transaction were to be completed). It sounds very much like the team and player have decided a move could be made if it fits for all sides, although specifics weren't covered in the brief report.

LATE SEPTEMBER (21st)

Gagner's season went sideways in a hurry one autumn night in Vancouver, and the impact has been felt by player and team all season long. I don't for a minute believe that the Kassian stick incident led us to this day, but it probably hurried it along.

Bottom line: Craig MacTavish has to make plans for next year. He has to ask questions:

  1. Is Dallas Eakins the coach of next year's team?
  2. Do the Oilers need to improve up the middle?
  3. Has Mark Arcobello done enough to make Gagner expendable?
  4. Will the organization have the same number of similar talents in the top 6F next season?
  5. Can they get value for Gagner?
  6. Is Gagner a part of the future with Eakins in charge?

Those are tough questions, but the news today suggests that they exist in the organization and Sam Gagner (who perhaps Gagner has questions about his future as an Oiler) may be heading out of Edmonton during the season.

What does it all mean? Well, you never get full value in these situations, so prepare to be disappointed with the return. On the other hand, the Oilers will be going to market next summer with more money and will very likely arrive at training camp next fall with a bigger lineup.

We wait.

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#201 Dave
January 05 2014, 12:58PM
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That video clip was terrific. We have seen the spoof before but this one was truly prophetic.

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#202 Smokey
January 05 2014, 02:02PM
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I don't thinks Eberle is healthy. Track record will show he will turn this around. When he goes on a run of 12 points in the next 7 games his detractors will shut up. I can't believe people are saying we should trade him. Unless he's in the magical nonsensical Weber dreams he's an Oiler. If Weber was an Oiler, why would anyone suggest we trade him. Top 3 defenceman in NHL are rare, he is Nashville. David Poille is not trading the fragship piece of his franchise period.

Sam has had 4 years to emerge as a 50 point player. Last year he was essentially that, spare me the he was not. If seven years have shown us anything he is a defensively inept and small and inconsistant. I say moving forward you move him to the wing and make a decision to keep him or Hemsky. You dangle both names and see if there are takers for one or the other.

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#203 Rod from Viking
January 04 2014, 05:52PM
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Kr55 wrote:

What happened to MacT's gentlemen's agreement that he never should have made? I'm very down on Gagner's game, but MacT made his agreement to not trade him public.

That said, I guess he did tell Krueger he would find him coaching help and then told the media how Krueger is not at fault for last season and he needs to be given good players and then stabbed him in the back to jump on a total fraud manufactured by the Toronto Hype Machine.

This Oilers management group has a pretty lengthy history of backstabbing and having no class. People think it's the weather that scares teams away. That a tiny bit of it, but that's nothing compared to the bad reputation of Lowe and MacT. I would never want to work for them either.

This will only happen if Sam agrees to the deal, no one is going back on their word, his fiance is a Dr so it would also have to be somewhere that would work for her, Vancouver or Toronto?

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#204 Josh Oiler
January 04 2014, 08:16PM
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@Fish

@Fish Face

Sidney Crosby won't get you Connor McDavid

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#205 Maddy
January 04 2014, 10:19PM
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@Salvation

i love your optism, and love the choices you chose for players!! but by end of next year yak wouldn't have earned 6 million..around 4 will be good, but i like that you went and put stastny and winnik and downie...3 guys with size and talent!! i like the boyes depth signing as well

buttt i wouldn't resign ryan smyth, id leave that spot open for maybe travis ewanyk if hess ready maybe mitch moroz...its been trashed a lot but i like the idea you got going...ehrhoff.....lets only hope we can snag him!

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#206 Quinn the Eskimo
January 05 2014, 01:22AM
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MessyEH wrote:

Seriously Gordo,

maybe your best post yet.

Agreed.

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#207 Spydyr
January 05 2014, 09:36AM
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Sisyphus wrote:

Just a thought....and let me be clear before I begin that I don't think any of Oilers current mgmt team is particularly brilliant.

That said, the Oilers are in a tough spot. Every GM in the league knows how bad we are, and how desperate we must be to improve. The current make-up of the team leaves very, very few truly trade-able assets to offer to other teams. The vast majority of our players (entire 3/4 lines, pretty much all dmen, all goalies) are the kind that other teams MIGHT see as fringe players at best. Certainly nothing worth trading for, let alone trading a solid NHL center/dman, etc. for.

Given that, I do think MacT may be trying his best, but he's finding that any trades at all in the next year or two are going to be very hard for the Oilers to break even on, let alone win. Other teams have little use for most of our players, and the players they would be interested in, we either can't or wont get rid of.

Gagner--never happening. Certainly not just before a NTC and contract starts. That's a fool's bet that he stops sucking. Hemmer--they'll just wait until he walks from EDM to pick him up, no one wants him for a playoff run. Yak might be valuable, but given his tantrums earlier, his one-dimensional play, the risk of KHL bolting--won't be as valuable as we'd really like. That leaves Ebs, RNH, and Hall. And two of the three we basically will not get rid of, no matter how bad things get.

So how DO you make the kind of big trades needed to improve this team in the next 1-4 years, when you basically only have 1.5 tradeable players to use (Ebs & Yak)?

Teams always look for defensive depth for the playoffs any of the eight 5-6 defencmen the Oilers have may be traded. Teams also look to have a veteran backup in goal if they are not sure of their starter ability of health both goalies are tradeable.

Teams will be looking to take advantage of a rookie GM in a position of weakness.

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#208 Oliveoiler
January 05 2014, 09:52AM
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I, like tens of thousand of others, am a die hard Oilers' addict. Can't help it - good or bad, I HAVE to support them. And that, my friends, I think is a huge part of the problem. We treat our players as Gods, we hope against hope that things will get better. It breaks our hearts when we lose, it breaks our hearts when a favourite is traded. So perhaps we should back off, stop slamming everyone involved and walk around with big grins on our faces. Perhaps our Gods don't like it when we criticize them, when we tell them to toughen up. Who am I kidding? no-one. We Oilers' fans will never change, why not? because we love our team and are the best fans in the NHL. So drop the trade axe all you like, the next Gods are waiting in the wings (or centre, or goal, or D zone) for our adoration. Let's hope the next group live up to our long-time hopes and expectations. Let's face it, we are loyal to the jersey, to the history and not one man makes a team. After all, the cup was one again without Gretzky, and he never won another.

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#209 2004Z06
January 05 2014, 10:24AM
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vetinari wrote:

@Primo-- we all know that there are problems with the roster and problems with upper management, but how can anyone say that the present coaching team is not the number one problem right now?

We're worse in all aspects of the game, in the standings and in player morale and performance-- if that's not signs of a coaching problem, then what is?

Are you saying that it is better to stick with the current problem just because we've had too many coaches recently? That's like saying we should stick with a bad goalie just because it would be too hard on team morale to bring it a different goalie. Identify the problem and either do something to remove it or else if you have to live with it, then minimize it.

But our corsi numbers are fantastic! Bah ha ha ha.

On another note....Cogliano is an ironman. 502 consecutive games played and counting.

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#210 Josh Oiler
January 05 2014, 10:35AM
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PLAY BAD FOR EKBLAD

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#211 the rake
January 05 2014, 01:03PM
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MessyEH wrote:

Gagner has trade value. You can tell that from the amount of traffic on the interwebs and forums. Lots of different teams fans want him. I have said for a while Gagner and Ebs have got to go. They do not make this TEAM better. They could be package to bring us in some solid depth. MacT should be working the phones.

Totally agree. Gagner will be gone this year, Eberle will be the guy that is moved close to or on draft day, really depends on where the Oil are picking, but if it is in the top 2, this will be the one and only chance that they may have a shot at getting Weber. Nashville may take Eberle, the Oiler's first (which could get them Eckblad), and probably a prospect to make the deal. For the naysayers saying there is no way Weber ends up an Oiler, you maybe surprised. If Nashville misses playoffs, they will need to also make some serious changes, and one thing they need is skilled offensive players.

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#212 Shopping for LD
January 04 2014, 08:45PM
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Possible LD shopping list. CHRISTIAN EHRHOFF, DMITRY KULIKOV, MICHAEL DEL ZOTTO, PAUL MARTIN, BRYDON COBURN, ANDREI MARKOV UFA, DAN HAMHUIS. Who is possibly in play? Who is a good fit for XXX?

1st pairing of XXX, Shultz Jr. 2nd pair Ference and Ekblad, 3rd pair Nurse and Petry

Probably not my first choice, but Ehrhoff could be a nice fit there. I'd take Markov on a 3 year deal.

WITH THE RIGHT XXX, I don't mind those pairings. Better than what we're rolling now.

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#213 Serious Gord
January 04 2014, 08:57PM
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kale wrote:

The positive thing about trading Gags for Clarkson is that we would be getting Clarkson for less than we were prepared to pay for him last summer and we would be moving Gags. But I am not a huge Clarkson fan otherwise

Surely clarkson has an NTC.

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#214 Woogie63
January 05 2014, 12:02AM
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Lots of talk of firing Lowe, but WHO replaces him. The President of hockey operations is critical to the vision and the standard for the team for the next ten years. It is one thing to hate on Lowe, but getting the highest quality to replace him may not be that easy.

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#215 michael
January 05 2014, 06:02AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Sam gagner's value as a player is less than his contract is in $. In other words he has negative value - if he just disappeared and the oil got his salary and roster spot back they could get a better player - better ability and a better fit - with the cash.

Thus the oil when - not if - they trade him sometime before the start of next season will be trading for another player who has negative value in the eyes of their current team.

The difficulty is that the type of player gagner is is in extreme surplus - very few teams need or want what he has to offer whereas what the oil needs is in heavy demand almost everywhere

So the oil need to find a team that is under extreme salary cap pressure, has a 1-2 line player who is under performing and is grossly over paid - much more than gagner - and that team has to have an up and coming replacement for that player - because the oil don't have one to sweeten the deal.

I have no idea what team (or teams) fits that bill but I fear that his boldness will trade like for like - a small, ineffective, sub 1-2 line centre coming back or get a bunch of 3-4 line size that is too slow.

And when that trade happens it will be a huge negative on the scoresheet for MacT. Signing gagner was a massive mistake.

The NJ fit that bill. They'll need his contract just to reach the floor nest season.

How about a Adam Larrson for Sam?

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#216 Rod from Viking
January 05 2014, 09:39AM
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@michael

I had left the word "your" buddy out by mistake, Bob always takes Gord's calls,I listen everyday as well. The problem's the team has is not what Mac T or Dallas Eakins has done although Eakins has made some rookie mistakes that have made the situation worse.

If the rebuild started with drafting Taylor Hall the veteran players that have been brought in have for sure in hindsight been wrong and the only one of them currently in the NHL is Ryan Smyth,(Belanger,Barker,Eager,Hordichuck,Petrell) I didn't include Ryan Whitney and Andy Sutton because they were the right veterans until they got hurt. They somehow have to find a way to get some better veterans in here or the losing culture will continue and it can't wait for rookie players that will be here in 2-3 years. This all falls on the management and pro scouting staff that were here the previous 4 years.

Do you really think season ticket holders and fan's need to keep shelling out for this if none of this is addressed before season ticket renewal?

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#217 Rod from Viking
January 05 2014, 09:49AM
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OIL or NOTHING wrote:

Having read through the comments, I have only 1 question

Where is DSF?

I would prefer to have him around as blog clown over this "Josh Oiler"

He put up a couple of comments one night last week and they were very mild so maybe it wasn't really him.

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#218 Spydyr
January 05 2014, 10:31AM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

He put up a couple of comments one night last week and they were very mild so maybe it wasn't really him.

It was a fake. Always check the avatar.

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#219 YAKCITY64
January 05 2014, 11:03AM
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michael wrote:

I can't speak for BOB. But do you actually listen to his show. All the time? I do. Whether live or podcast later. He is just as hard on the poor play by the team as anyone else here in Edmonton. The Oilers record is near indefensible.

Where we see whats going on on the ice Bob sees also what is going on off the ice. He cannot report everything he sees and hears. Its incumbent upon him though to report the facts.

I feel for the team right now. Now isn't the time to sharpen the knives. And I much as anyone wish this season had gone different. The results are what they are and going into 2014 we are 29th in the standing. Who would have thought that?

I saw us as 20-23 place team. The needs of this team are glaring. Realignment intothe Pacific Division has shown us what are sorely lacking.

Backin the day the Smythe Division was one of the strongest. Because the Oilers,Flames and Jets all had good teams and competed to be top dog. The Pacific Division has 3 ofthetopdogsin the WC. For the Oilers to be competitive they are going to have a team that has skill,size and not just average goaltending but great goaltending. MacT has a lot of work to do to reshape this team. Eakins has a lot of work to do also. On the ice and off the ice. Eakins has his faults and by goodness when your record is as poor as ours is those faults are just like a spotlight.

I am as frustrated as anyone but when I look at the WC standings and see who is on top I can't help but be a little jealous. But they too paid in terrible season after terrible season.The top dogs did not get there overnight. I want to be Chicago or San Jose or LA. But mistakes in the past 5 years have cost us dearly. Drafting for more size and grit and character is needed. MacT came in last draft and Nurse was our number 1 pick. Moroz number 2.I can't argue those picks. Greg Chase in the 7th round? It will take MacTand Eakins more than just this year and next to get this train wreck moving in the right direction.

Bob Stauffer.... GO AWAY OILERSNATION DOESNT WANT YOU HERE:)

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#220 RexHolez
January 05 2014, 08:19PM
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brian hitchinson wrote:

The problem with the Oilers is, the management has overpaid all the supposide "stars". You have Hall, Eberly. RNH making 6mil & Smyth, Hemsky & Gagne making around 5mil! All the players I just wrote down are 2nd line players & probably 3rd line players on any desent team! Then the Oiler brass, says they can't sign any future good player with a high salary because they're at the salary cap. I thought they finally grabbed a brain by trading Horcoff, who was a 7mil. dollar third line center who scored less than 20 goals! Most Oiler fans can see the problem but the Lowe lead management team can't. Until they get rid of especially Lowe & who again looks for the supposed goal scorers who are small & get pushed around by all the large teams like STL,LA, Bos & just about every other team!! Then you have Aikens who has been a bust. Until the Oilers get rid of all management, the Oilers will struggle!!

The problem with your comment is your poor spelling.

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#221 TeddyTurnbuckle
January 04 2014, 07:10PM
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@Reagan

I would do that trade in a heart beat.

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#222 Josh Oiler
January 04 2014, 08:10PM
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Kr55 wrote:

Yeah, I'd rather get a bum off the street named David "Clarkeson" for that package than David Clarkson and his horrible contract.

Some real comedians posting here today. Speaking of packages... Umm actually never mind.. May be some kids reading this.

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#223 Naky
January 04 2014, 09:14PM
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I am skeptical about Sam Gagner being willing for a trade knowing what I know about the circumstances behind his requiring the NTC. But if those circumstances have changed or he was able to make things work then I suppose it's possible.

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#224 camdog
January 05 2014, 09:41AM
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K_Mart wrote:

Shopping list has been the same ever since Visnovsky was given away and souray was run out of town...

Top veteran d man, top veteran centre who can teach these kids by showing them what to do.

and still we wait...

Visnovsky demanded a trade back to southern California. Tambelini honored the no trade clause, that Lowe ignored.

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#225 Chet134
January 05 2014, 10:53AM
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Shawn Cronin wrote:

Top 10 Oilers Problems: (in no particular order) 1) No veteran presence on top lines 2) The players. A bunch are just not as good as Oilers staff and media make them out to be. Defense and bottom 2 forward lines loaded with other teams AHL/KHL castoffs and very marginal NHLers. No coach in the world would win with this bunch. (ie crapola) 3) Terrible at faceoffs 4) Too many floaters 5) Too many forwards that are terrible defensively 6) This year, poor goaltending (Dubnyk is not that bad as this year has dictated) 7) The ex Oiler players in the organization (mgmt and asst coaches) are not good at what they do 8) All the coaching changes have left players confused on systems and probably feeling like they are not the problem....it's been past coaches. 9)If no one in upper management is being accountable, why should the players be? 10) Darryl Katz

I totally agree with ur comments. No veterns in the top six and defense is the bigest problem our team. Break it down people: Nick Schultz 5/6 defenseman Andrew Ference 5/6 defenseman playing too many minutes Belov: 42 games in the NHL rookie Potter: ahl player Larsen: ahl players Grevishkov: didn't play in the NHL the last three years Maurincin: 6 games in the NHL rookie Other schultz: 85 games in the NHL. Basically a rookie. Petry playing too many minutes. Number four defenseman. 29 teams have a better defense than us. Ask yourself how many of these players can make a first pass out of our zone to a attacking forward. One or two of these kids. Maybe. That's why ur seeing a 50/50 pass off the boards where we lose possession cuz we have troubles winning one on one battles. Who do we have in the AHL is replace these kids? No one. This defense is TERRIBLE. U can't coach crap.

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#226 K_Mart
January 05 2014, 11:00AM
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Spydyr wrote:

I didn't but I did expect them to try.

yeah me too. what fools we are. I also expected them to "not get worse". boy do i feel dumb.

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#227 michael
January 05 2014, 11:05AM
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@Rod in Viking.

Your right about the quality of the veterans that have passed through of late. Though MACT has been better by bringing in Ference and Gordon. IB has been good.Gazdic better than good.

MacT though wasted several contracts this past off season. Including Acton,Grebby and Hamilton and SMACK(who I like but he was never used). He has managed to dump a couple of contracts so far and come this off season should be able to shave 7-10 more. Explain to me how Joensuu was an upgrade on Petrell? who 5x5 was a non factor but was a beast on the PK. JJ has done exactly what? Ryan Jones? the word squat comes to mind. Corey Potter? Even fictional Harry Potter couldn't abracadabra his poor play away. Larsen? Size matters at this level.Especially on defence. Belov? A long way to go.

I would like to see the Oilers part ways with Hemsky. N Shultz and Ryan Smyth. As far as Gagner is concerned he has not shown diddly in the way of defensive zone improvement. Trading him to NJ or to the NYIsles might be the ticket. Arcobello as a stop gap until the summer at 2cd line center is fine by me.

Like we all think and post this team has a long way to go.

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#228 outdoorzguy
January 05 2014, 04:04PM
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mnm wrote:

is it just me or does anyone else feel that this rebuild is never gonna end

Wait until Loser Lowe tells us its just beginning all over again!!

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#229 brian hitchinson
January 05 2014, 08:10PM
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@S cottV

The problem with the Oilers is, the management has overpaid all the supposide "stars". You have Hall, Eberly. RNH making 6mil & Smyth, Hemsky & Gagne making around 5mil! All the players I just wrote down are 2nd line players & probably 3rd line players on any desent team! Then the Oiler brass, says they can't sign any future good player with a high salary because they're at the salary cap. I thought they finally grabbed a brain by trading Horcoff, who was a 7mil. dollar third line center who scored less than 20 goals! Most Oiler fans can see the problem but the Lowe lead management team can't. Until they get rid of especially Lowe & who again looks for the supposed goal scorers who are small & get pushed around by all the large teams like STL,LA, Bos & just about every other team!! Then you have Aikens who has been a bust. Until the Oilers get rid of all management, the Oilers will struggle!!

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#230 Rod from Viking
January 04 2014, 08:17PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

Some real comedians posting here today. Speaking of packages... Umm actually never mind.. May be some kids reading this.

Don't you think that was pretty funny? I think Clarkson and his contact would be better here than in Toronto, it looks like he has the playing in front of the home town syndrome.

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#231 hall the time
January 05 2014, 09:13AM
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Sisyphus wrote:

Just a thought....and let me be clear before I begin that I don't think any of Oilers current mgmt team is particularly brilliant.

That said, the Oilers are in a tough spot. Every GM in the league knows how bad we are, and how desperate we must be to improve. The current make-up of the team leaves very, very few truly trade-able assets to offer to other teams. The vast majority of our players (entire 3/4 lines, pretty much all dmen, all goalies) are the kind that other teams MIGHT see as fringe players at best. Certainly nothing worth trading for, let alone trading a solid NHL center/dman, etc. for.

Given that, I do think MacT may be trying his best, but he's finding that any trades at all in the next year or two are going to be very hard for the Oilers to break even on, let alone win. Other teams have little use for most of our players, and the players they would be interested in, we either can't or wont get rid of.

Gagner--never happening. Certainly not just before a NTC and contract starts. That's a fool's bet that he stops sucking. Hemmer--they'll just wait until he walks from EDM to pick him up, no one wants him for a playoff run. Yak might be valuable, but given his tantrums earlier, his one-dimensional play, the risk of KHL bolting--won't be as valuable as we'd really like. That leaves Ebs, RNH, and Hall. And two of the three we basically will not get rid of, no matter how bad things get.

So how DO you make the kind of big trades needed to improve this team in the next 1-4 years, when you basically only have 1.5 tradeable players to use (Ebs & Yak)?

Well McaT better figure out a way then.

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#232 K_Mart
January 05 2014, 10:57AM
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Not sure why anyone expected us to even be a bubble team this year.

We are the youngest team in the league when you average the age of players based on minutes played each night.

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/10/17/are-the-edmonton-oilers-the-youngest-team-in-the-league-or-how-math-shrunk-big-john-scott/

Chicago scores the most and their top 4 forwards are 34,32,25,25 years of age.

Ours are 20,20,22,23. Think about it. Not realistic for fans to expect the smallest, youngest, least physical forward core to actually succeed at this level.

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#233 HOCKEY FAN 1976
January 05 2014, 05:18PM
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the fact that they want to trade Gags when his value is so low goes to show you that acquiring an MBA in business really was a waste of money. Allocating assets is about moving pieces at high value which you deem will have a greater impact in the long term, not moving pieces when you realized you failed in your player assessment. Any smart GM (which compared to the Oilers I almost argue all of them are smarter) knows you are at their mercy when it comes players coming back in the trade. Its actual value vs. actual value, not potential value vs. great value. Morons!!!

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#234 RexHolez
January 05 2014, 08:04PM
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Gags is never getting traded. Hes Kevin Lowes pet project!

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#235 MessyEH
January 06 2014, 04:13AM
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Better do some fact checking.

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#236 G-Unit
January 06 2014, 12:04PM
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mnm wrote:

is it just me or does anyone else feel that this rebuild is never gonna end

It will end when we stop showing up to games in the new rink, Katz holds the team ransom and an EIG group makes that chimp a couple extra hundred million for his dumb-a@@ to sit on.

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