SAM GAGNER'S NAME "OUT THERE"

Lowetide
January 04 2014 05:10PM

During tonight's Hotstove portion of the HNIC pre-game, Elliotte Friedman told the nation "Sam Gagner's name is out there" and suggested the Oilers would find him a place he'd be comfortable with playing (if a transaction were to be completed). It sounds very much like the team and player have decided a move could be made if it fits for all sides, although specifics weren't covered in the brief report.

LATE SEPTEMBER (21st)

Gagner's season went sideways in a hurry one autumn night in Vancouver, and the impact has been felt by player and team all season long. I don't for a minute believe that the Kassian stick incident led us to this day, but it probably hurried it along.

Bottom line: Craig MacTavish has to make plans for next year. He has to ask questions:

  1. Is Dallas Eakins the coach of next year's team?
  2. Do the Oilers need to improve up the middle?
  3. Has Mark Arcobello done enough to make Gagner expendable?
  4. Will the organization have the same number of similar talents in the top 6F next season?
  5. Can they get value for Gagner?
  6. Is Gagner a part of the future with Eakins in charge?

Those are tough questions, but the news today suggests that they exist in the organization and Sam Gagner (who perhaps Gagner has questions about his future as an Oiler) may be heading out of Edmonton during the season.

What does it all mean? Well, you never get full value in these situations, so prepare to be disappointed with the return. On the other hand, the Oilers will be going to market next summer with more money and will very likely arrive at training camp next fall with a bigger lineup.

We wait.

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#1 Josh Oiler
January 04 2014, 07:06PM
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I told everyone yesterday!!!

Lindy Ruff was available and the Oilers didn't move!

Brian Burke could have also been had as GM!

MacT: ITS TIME TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON A BLOCKBUSTER DEAL

Sam Gagner and 2014 1st round pick for David Clarkeson.

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#2 Salvation
January 04 2014, 09:22PM
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Roster for next year, if UFA breaks our direction

Hall 6 RNH 6 Ebs 6 - Perron 3.8 P. Stastny 5.5 Yak 3.75 - D Winnik 2.5 Gordon 3 Downie 3 Smyth 1 Arco 1.5 Brad Boyes 2

Ehrhoff 4 Shultz (3x3) Ekblad 3.75 Ference 3.25 Nurse 1.7 Petry 2.75 MAX

=62.5

AROUND 8.5 MILL IN CAP Leave 2.25 for YAK extension (7 years 6 mill if he earns it) Leaves 6.25 for a goalie to GET AND ACTUAL GOALIE!!!! Spend 5 on a goalie 1A and 1.25 goalie B

You're welcome MAC T. What say you nation?

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#3 Josh Oiler
January 04 2014, 08:31PM
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I'm officially making the statement: you heard it here first.

For the remainder of the season we are going to:

PLAY BAD FOR EKBLAD

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#4 Josh Oiler
January 04 2014, 07:48PM
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LETS TRADE THE ENTIRE TEAM (all 4 lines) ALONG WITH DALLAS EAKINS AND THE ENTIRE COACHING STAFF FOR SHEA WEBER

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#5 Josh Oiler
January 04 2014, 08:10PM
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Kr55 wrote:

Yeah, I'd rather get a bum off the street named David "Clarkeson" for that package than David Clarkson and his horrible contract.

Some real comedians posting here today. Speaking of packages... Umm actually never mind.. May be some kids reading this.

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#6 Josh Oiler
January 04 2014, 08:16PM
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@Fish

@Fish Face

Sidney Crosby won't get you Connor McDavid

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#7 Woogie63
January 05 2014, 12:02AM
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Lots of talk of firing Lowe, but WHO replaces him. The President of hockey operations is critical to the vision and the standard for the team for the next ten years. It is one thing to hate on Lowe, but getting the highest quality to replace him may not be that easy.

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#8 Josh Oiler
January 05 2014, 06:41AM
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From here on in: we going to....

PLAY BAD FOR EKBLAD

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#9 Primo
January 04 2014, 07:54PM
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vetinari wrote:

@Primo-- we all know that there are problems with the roster and problems with upper management, but how can anyone say that the present coaching team is not the number one problem right now?

We're worse in all aspects of the game, in the standings and in player morale and performance-- if that's not signs of a coaching problem, then what is?

Are you saying that it is better to stick with the current problem just because we've had too many coaches recently? That's like saying we should stick with a bad goalie just because it would be too hard on team morale to bring it a different goalie. Identify the problem and either do something to remove it or else if you have to live with it, then minimize it.

Coaching is not the problem with the Oilers!! The one and only problem with the Oiler organization is ACCOUNTABILITY! There is none. 6 rings has no accountability to win. Hate to break it to you but neither do the players. 1st overalls that sign >$30MM contracts need to be held accountable for production. With the Oilers they are not! 1st overalls that don't produce RNH, YAK) require development in the AHL. That will never happen with the Oilers because they do not hold players accountable! Justin Schultz is pathetic and needs development in the AHL, that will never happen! Eberle needs to be accountable for his poor ice performance but rather he keeps playing. Nothing changes! Oiler fans wake up, coaching is not the problem.

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#10 Jodes
January 04 2014, 05:38PM
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Jodes wrote:

Well just when I thought I couldn't post anymore, I decide to come back, so here we go. There are too many what if's in this situation.. Was Sam "rushed" back? Did the coaching staff expect way to much from him when he returned? Has he like many on the team just stopped listening to Eakins?

Or maybe the rumour all those years ago of him wanting out have just finally come to fruition?

Sad to say, but I think Sam Gagner (apart from one night against Chicago) is the 2nd coming of Mike York.. Lots of potential, but just not enough to get over the next hump, regardless of what team you play for.

If he is traded, I don't think it will work out for either team.

Two trashings eh? Must be Mike York fans..

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#11 Josh Oiler
January 04 2014, 08:06PM
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Primo wrote:

Coaching is not the problem with the Oilers!! The one and only problem with the Oiler organization is ACCOUNTABILITY! There is none. 6 rings has no accountability to win. Hate to break it to you but neither do the players. 1st overalls that sign >$30MM contracts need to be held accountable for production. With the Oilers they are not! 1st overalls that don't produce RNH, YAK) require development in the AHL. That will never happen with the Oilers because they do not hold players accountable! Justin Schultz is pathetic and needs development in the AHL, that will never happen! Eberle needs to be accountable for his poor ice performance but rather he keeps playing. Nothing changes! Oiler fans wake up, coaching is not the problem.

Look here Primo Pasta and Sauce,

Accountability comes from the coaching there pal.

P.S. Justin Shultz got 1st team All-Star off half a season in AHL. Check your facts before posting Pasta Man.

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#12 OilDieHard
January 04 2014, 05:40PM
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is Eakins coach next year?....yes

do the Oil need to improve up the middle....year in and year out they do.

has Arco done enough to make Gags expendable?....no

will the Oil have the same similar talents in the top 6 next year?....yes, unless management can get over their fear of trading Yak or Ebs.

can they get value for Gagner? I doubt they ever really will. even when he had his 8 point night, we still wouldn't have gotten his true value.

my 2 cents.

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#13 Primo
January 04 2014, 08:03PM
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Tuningout wrote:

Last year under Krueger (despite the same assistants) this was a better team with a better record, playing entirely against the tougher western conference. The team and it's players were trending up it seemed, enough so that some media and analysts picked the oilers to make the playoffs this year. Games (at least many games) were fun to watch.

This year, Eakins, with a better roster and another year experience for many young players is gaining on DFLast In the league. Everyone and everything is trending down with no hope in sight. And I'd rather watch curling.

There are many problems with this team. But coaching is #1 my friend.

Hmmm...I guess your solution then is to change coaches pretty much on a yearly basis. Unheard of in pro sports history. Expand your horizons, look beyond the coaching. Your strategy in not sustainable. The coaches in the Oilers organization cannot continuously be held as the scapegoats year in and year out. What a joke!

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#14 Josh Oiler
January 04 2014, 08:24PM
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Primo wrote:

Joshy...judging buy your intelligent comments the only comedian is you. I suspect you have never played sports based on your comments. Accountability comes from the players on the ice. Thats right. The ones that are accountable for heart, desire, loyalty, hard work and production. In return they get fame, recognition, an opportunity to play in an elite league and wealth i.e. juicy pay checks. Quit blaming the coaches "intel" man!

"JOSHY"

Haha I've never been called that before. YOU MUST BE A HOCKEY PLAYER!!! I'd like to know on what level?

Look here Primo Pasta and Sauce, there are some coaches you'd run thru a brick wall for..... And some you'd take a piss on.... Accountability??

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#15 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 04 2014, 07:15PM
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DO NOT LET MACT MAKE A TRADE!! He is stupid. the problem is incompetence at the top so why let a fool make a trade for this team?

Not gonna get anything for Gagner anyway and Arco has not shown to be a replacement yet.

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#16 michael
January 05 2014, 06:31AM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

I know how my renewal call is going to go. I think the corporations are finding clients are not really enthused about going to games anymore and hopefully will be looking for a better "PR" investment. I wonder if people are taking their names of the waiting list. As far as buddy Bob Stauffer goes I bet this is driving him crazy trying to defend this nightmare.

I can't speak for BOB. But do you actually listen to his show. All the time? I do. Whether live or podcast later. He is just as hard on the poor play by the team as anyone else here in Edmonton. The Oilers record is near indefensible.

Where we see whats going on on the ice Bob sees also what is going on off the ice. He cannot report everything he sees and hears. Its incumbent upon him though to report the facts.

I feel for the team right now. Now isn't the time to sharpen the knives. And I much as anyone wish this season had gone different. The results are what they are and going into 2014 we are 29th in the standing. Who would have thought that?

I saw us as 20-23 place team. The needs of this team are glaring. Realignment intothe Pacific Division has shown us what are sorely lacking.

Backin the day the Smythe Division was one of the strongest. Because the Oilers,Flames and Jets all had good teams and competed to be top dog. The Pacific Division has 3 ofthetopdogsin the WC. For the Oilers to be competitive they are going to have a team that has skill,size and not just average goaltending but great goaltending. MacT has a lot of work to do to reshape this team. Eakins has a lot of work to do also. On the ice and off the ice. Eakins has his faults and by goodness when your record is as poor as ours is those faults are just like a spotlight.

I am as frustrated as anyone but when I look at the WC standings and see who is on top I can't help but be a little jealous. But they too paid in terrible season after terrible season.The top dogs did not get there overnight. I want to be Chicago or San Jose or LA. But mistakes in the past 5 years have cost us dearly. Drafting for more size and grit and character is needed. MacT came in last draft and Nurse was our number 1 pick. Moroz number 2.I can't argue those picks. Greg Chase in the 7th round? It will take MacTand Eakins more than just this year and next to get this train wreck moving in the right direction.

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#17 Kareem
January 04 2014, 06:32PM
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I miss Cogliano...Great third line centre with a great defensive game who can also put the puck in the back of the net.

Ducks got him at a steal for a second round pick.

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#18 Oiler Al
January 04 2014, 06:09PM
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Package Gagner with Hemsky. Send out a notice to the other 29 GMs .. Glider Twins available for trade.

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#19 john
January 05 2014, 02:03AM
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What is wrong with all you people? Kevin Lowe is not to blame, why don't you apply for the president or GM job if you guys think you can run an NHL team? Hockey Canada has Lowe on board for years with international hockey, if he is so bad they would not hire him. Katz own over a billion dollars pharmacy empire, do you think he does not know how to let people run his business? It's the coaches that run the team, that's where the wins and loses count. This team has too many coaches over the years that are screwing with the development of the players. Eakins is the wrong guy there now, worst in goals against, power plays and penalty kills are worse than previous years. The team is not winning, he is screwing up Yakupov (look what happened when he got more ice time, he scored each of the last 2 games) and now Sam Gagner (he broke his jaws and now he is in the dog house). We are keep trading players away and then they blossom else where. Eakins screwed up Nazem Kadri over here in Toronto too, because it's his way or the high way style of coaching. So big deal if he can bike in a marathon in Denver that has nothing to do with winning hockey games. That's the bottom line, score goals and allow less goals against and win games. I m a fan living in Toronto, it's so sad to see Oilers are not doing well right now. Ralph Kruger was doing a fine job last few years there getting the players playing. I don't see them are having fun out there playing this year.

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#20 Tuningout
January 04 2014, 05:25PM
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Well this should be fun. Time to trade another useful NHL player for more hope and potential. Let me guess.... Gagner for some current oil king ?

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#21 Primo
January 04 2014, 07:13PM
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vetinari wrote:

Is it a case of a coach who can't use a player properly or a case of a player who wants a new start?

Frankly, almost all of the Oilers are underperforming right now which makes me think that it is more a problem with the coaching and if you are going to make a change anywhere, start there, and start now.

So that will make 5 coaches in the past 6 years. Do you still think a problem with the coaching?? Wake up man look beyond the coaching!!

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#22 Rod from Viking
January 04 2014, 08:01PM
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@Primo

Exactly, I think Eakin's and Mac T is trying to change the environment into a more winner mentality but it is 2 against 100 or so it seems.

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#23 Josh Oiler
January 05 2014, 10:35AM
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PLAY BAD FOR EKBLAD

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#24 Slats
January 04 2014, 06:12PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

Package Gagner with Hemsky. Send out a notice to the other 29 GMs .. Glider Twins available for trade.

AKA "the Coaster Girls"

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#25 OilDieHard
January 04 2014, 07:31PM
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Primo wrote:

So that will make 5 coaches in the past 6 years. Do you still think a problem with the coaching?? Wake up man look beyond the coaching!!

people who don't want their favorite players traded will always think yet another coaching change is the answer....I don't and it isn't. we still have several players here that don't buy into Eakins system and didn't try to buy into previous coaching systems.....time to make the players accountable!

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#26 EricOG
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Is Dallas Eakins the coach of next year's team? At some point, they have to give the coach time and his very own assistants. That should be priority.

Do the Oilers need to improve up the middle? Of course they do. Is this a trick question? Has Mark Arcobello done enough to make Gagner expendable? They cannot have two small centers in the top two. This has been said over and over.

Will the organization have the same number of similar talents in the top 6F next season? Let's just hope for the best on that one.

Can they get value for Gagner? If Sam plays with Hall, thus improving his numbers, yes.

Is Gagner a part of the future with Eakins in charge? I think it is a little obvious that a Dallas Eakins kind of team is far from what the on-ice product is at the moment. Let's face it, they should have never let Tom Renney go. Wether we liked him or not. That move right there, is one of the reasons for the current state of the team.

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#27 6 ring circus
January 04 2014, 06:26PM
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@camdog

Anaheim signed Cogliano to a 4 year contract extension this afternoon,his name can be added to the long list of players who have left this gong show and went to other teams to have success.Gagner on the right team will be added to that list.

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#28 Vance in LA
January 04 2014, 07:11PM
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@Tuningout

Hello all. I am Vance (in LA) and this is my first excursion into this sphere of anonymous insults, rants, insights, observations, personal attacks, unfounded rumour and humour. It has been both disappointing and enlightening. I must first take exception to the promo proclaiming Mr. L Tide as a 'shining contributor for over a century'. By my count it is only 83 years, 4 months. Only the great John Short can lay claim to such longevity. Then again, King John is the only reporter alive who actually covered the original 26 mile run from Marathon to Athens live in 490 BC. His interview with Pheidippides is legendary and still controversial, considering he was the only contestant and died immediately after his victorious interview with John. Let us not blame him. As for Dallas Eakins? Tis strange how quickly the tide can turn. Wasn't it just yesterday he was the wave of new young thinking? Of aggressive offense? The opposite of past 'defence first' coaches? Utilizing the offensive talents of this young roster? And then we were introduced to "the swarm", a magical trick in the AHL that was exposed as ridiculous against the best in the world. Then the 5 forward powerplay that would change hockey, and digressed to the most shorthanded goals in the league. And now we witness defencemen coming up the boards with the puck and pulling a 360 degree to get separation from the forechecker. That laughter you hear isn't mine: that's Mike Babcock and Ken Hitchcock. They just can't help themselves. I think it's cruel. But to question Dallas Eakins value is more than fair; every aspect of the team is worse. PP,PK, 5 v 5, but most condemning, the 'kids' have stagnated. The very future of this franchise have either taken a step sideways or backwards. And Lord knows Yak has struggled, but I didn't realize that he was drafted for his checking and defence. Stupid me. Eakins is far from the only problem this team has, but it is apparent he is one of many. Which means he is part of the problem. MacT had to know he was taking a chance with an inexperienced AHL coach, and a very weak supporting staff. So why give the guy a 4 year contract? He wouldn't have signed for 2? Perhaps the NHL needs to implement an entry level contract restriction for coaches, to protect them from themselves. Gagner? Oh my word. We've known for 5 years what he is; smart, tenacious, committed and not a top 2 center, too slow for 3rd line checking, and too small for 4th line banging. His trade value? In my world, zero. But considering the Oilers just got a 17th round pick for Linus Omark, Gagner might just get you Stamkos. I dunno. Tis indeed the winter of our discontent. After 8 years, it's beginning to feel like the Ice Age of our Discontent.

A better year to you all. Thanks for reading.

Vancee in LA

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#29 Kr55
January 04 2014, 05:26PM
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What happened to MacT's gentlemen's agreement that he never should have made? I'm very down on Gagner's game, but MacT made his agreement to not trade him public.

That said, I guess he did tell Krueger he would find him coaching help and then told the media how Krueger is not at fault for last season and he needs to be given good players and then stabbed him in the back to jump on a total fraud manufactured by the Toronto Hype Machine.

This Oilers management group has a pretty lengthy history of backstabbing and having no class. People think it's the weather that scares teams away. That a tiny bit of it, but that's nothing compared to the bad reputation of Lowe and MacT. I would never want to work for them either.

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#30 Walter Sobchak
January 04 2014, 05:30PM
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No free agent worth a damn will come here after witnessing the mess that is the Oilers.

As for Gagner, if a legit two way center isn't coming back in this deal then why make it?

So Gagner fetches a Gardnier or like type player who fills a role on the back end, it still leaves a gaping hole at center, unless the Oilers do plan on drafting another small center.

In this case the Oilers just played marry go-round.

Gagner has to be package for a group of players, that fit a specific need for the Oilers.

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#31 Rod from Viking
January 04 2014, 05:52PM
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Kr55 wrote:

What happened to MacT's gentlemen's agreement that he never should have made? I'm very down on Gagner's game, but MacT made his agreement to not trade him public.

That said, I guess he did tell Krueger he would find him coaching help and then told the media how Krueger is not at fault for last season and he needs to be given good players and then stabbed him in the back to jump on a total fraud manufactured by the Toronto Hype Machine.

This Oilers management group has a pretty lengthy history of backstabbing and having no class. People think it's the weather that scares teams away. That a tiny bit of it, but that's nothing compared to the bad reputation of Lowe and MacT. I would never want to work for them either.

This will only happen if Sam agrees to the deal, no one is going back on their word, his fiance is a Dr so it would also have to be somewhere that would work for her, Vancouver or Toronto?

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#32 Jeffff
January 04 2014, 09:43PM
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The value of all players on the Oilers decreases every year. I feel sorry for players like Gagner so many coaches lost his compete level. It will happen to all the Oilers a couple more years Hall heart will be gone.

This team is a place players go to die. Can't wait to see how many years it will take for Nurse to lose his heart.

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#33 Jodes
January 04 2014, 05:25PM
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Well just when I thought I couldn't post anymore, I decide to come back, so here we go. There are too many what if's in this situation.. Was Sam "rushed" back? Did the coaching staff expect way to much from him when he returned? Has he like many on the team just stopped listening to Eakins?

Or maybe the rumour all those years ago of him wanting out have just finally come to fruition?

Sad to say, but I think Sam Gagner (apart from one night against Chicago) is the 2nd coming of Mike York.. Lots of potential, but just not enough to get over the next hump, regardless of what team you play for.

If he is traded, I don't think it will work out for either team.

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#34 Naky
January 05 2014, 11:47AM
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She can be a doctor there, she just can't leave here for two more years during her practice. Hence NTC.

Merfer, I hope some day you are in a position where you're given a raise and a transfer (or you lose the job entirely) but your significant other can't follow you so you know what that might be like. Pro sports or not, there's always a human element involved where you should treat people as you wish to be treated.

In the end, it's just a game. There's no need to be a hateful person about it. The organization has finally done something classy for a player who has been a loyal soldier for them and if they're both agreeable on the movement because things have been worked out, then great. Otherwise, I fully hope they uphold it and try to redeem some semblance of honor in that management group.

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#35 -30-
January 04 2014, 05:37PM
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Not to be a pessimist but will this end up like Andrew Cogliano?

Funny how the grass always looks greener elsewhere isn't it?

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#36 admiralmark
January 04 2014, 05:56PM
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Once again the Oiler brain trust hang on and hang on and hang onto their deficient player waiting for god knows what?! Until the rest of the entire NHL knows just how useless they are. Sam Gagner has not been an answer since ever. Maybe it wasnt his fault being brought up early. But the team HAS to get better at assessing this and unloading the player while there is still an iota of value. A smallish C that cant win a draw if his life depends on it and has zero defensive IQ... I'm sure the phone is ringing off the hook for him?! As it stands we are going to literally get sweet @%$& all for this player. But I would still take it.

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#37 Reagan
January 04 2014, 06:17PM
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Salary for salary.

Gagner for Del Zotto.

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#38 Thumby
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Vance in LA wrote:

Hello all. I am Vance (in LA) and this is my first excursion into this sphere of anonymous insults, rants, insights, observations, personal attacks, unfounded rumour and humour. It has been both disappointing and enlightening. I must first take exception to the promo proclaiming Mr. L Tide as a 'shining contributor for over a century'. By my count it is only 83 years, 4 months. Only the great John Short can lay claim to such longevity. Then again, King John is the only reporter alive who actually covered the original 26 mile run from Marathon to Athens live in 490 BC. His interview with Pheidippides is legendary and still controversial, considering he was the only contestant and died immediately after his victorious interview with John. Let us not blame him. As for Dallas Eakins? Tis strange how quickly the tide can turn. Wasn't it just yesterday he was the wave of new young thinking? Of aggressive offense? The opposite of past 'defence first' coaches? Utilizing the offensive talents of this young roster? And then we were introduced to "the swarm", a magical trick in the AHL that was exposed as ridiculous against the best in the world. Then the 5 forward powerplay that would change hockey, and digressed to the most shorthanded goals in the league. And now we witness defencemen coming up the boards with the puck and pulling a 360 degree to get separation from the forechecker. That laughter you hear isn't mine: that's Mike Babcock and Ken Hitchcock. They just can't help themselves. I think it's cruel. But to question Dallas Eakins value is more than fair; every aspect of the team is worse. PP,PK, 5 v 5, but most condemning, the 'kids' have stagnated. The very future of this franchise have either taken a step sideways or backwards. And Lord knows Yak has struggled, but I didn't realize that he was drafted for his checking and defence. Stupid me. Eakins is far from the only problem this team has, but it is apparent he is one of many. Which means he is part of the problem. MacT had to know he was taking a chance with an inexperienced AHL coach, and a very weak supporting staff. So why give the guy a 4 year contract? He wouldn't have signed for 2? Perhaps the NHL needs to implement an entry level contract restriction for coaches, to protect them from themselves. Gagner? Oh my word. We've known for 5 years what he is; smart, tenacious, committed and not a top 2 center, too slow for 3rd line checking, and too small for 4th line banging. His trade value? In my world, zero. But considering the Oilers just got a 17th round pick for Linus Omark, Gagner might just get you Stamkos. I dunno. Tis indeed the winter of our discontent. After 8 years, it's beginning to feel like the Ice Age of our Discontent.

A better year to you all. Thanks for reading.

Vancee in LA

Nice read and some good points.

However, I have just one word for you today regarding grammar. That word is "paragraphs" - you should try and use them.

That is all.

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#39 merfer
January 05 2014, 11:41AM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

Agree, Can a Canadian doctor practice in the U.S. or not? This would have a huge impact on where Sam could go. If this player would have spent a year more in junior and a year or two in the AHL would he be a more complete player? I would think so, the years of being thrown to the wolves and this years broken jaw as well as no one dealing with Kassian and all the problems with this team, I think it has him wanting out and no one could blame him.

I never said Joensuu was an upgrade and Mac T made other signings that didn't work out and they would have been made with input from the pro scouting staff that have not done a good job.

I like Gegner as a person but I'm sorry, he gets paid 5 million a year so who cares if his wife to be, can't be a doctor in the states. Just ship him off to anyone who will take him so we can get out from underneath this horrible con tract. MacT has made him a rich man so I have little pity on how this will impact him or her. You would hope that Mac T would be able to find some one to play 2nd or 3rd line centre for a last place team, at least till the end of this year.

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#40 Tuningout
January 04 2014, 07:39PM
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Primo wrote:

So that will make 5 coaches in the past 6 years. Do you still think a problem with the coaching?? Wake up man look beyond the coaching!!

Last year under Krueger (despite the same assistants) this was a better team with a better record, playing entirely against the tougher western conference. The team and it's players were trending up it seemed, enough so that some media and analysts picked the oilers to make the playoffs this year. Games (at least many games) were fun to watch.

This year, Eakins, with a better roster and another year experience for many young players is gaining on DFLast In the league. Everyone and everything is trending down with no hope in sight. And I'd rather watch curling.

There are many problems with this team. But coaching is #1 my friend.

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#41 michael
January 05 2014, 09:50AM
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Who thinks that part of Gagne's discontentment was being passed over for Captain by Eakins?

Eakins player management skills remind me of Mike Keenan. Basically he has none.

Tampa Bay tonight. Wonder what they think of -32/wc-39 this am as they get up for the morning skate. Maybe they'll stay in the hotel and forfeit this one.

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#42 the rake
January 05 2014, 11:22AM
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One of the biggest mistakes last summer was resigning Gagner, I like the guy, but he has reached all he will ever be, and his trade value is dropping fast. He may be a 50 point guy, but that is as high as he will ever achieve, and he brings nothing else to the team that warrants his salary. Poor skater, poor shot, terrible defensively, terrible faceoff guy, no physicality. If he was getting a point a game maybe you keep him, but he is nowhere near that. Arco is the same guy at a quarter of the price. Time to start packaging some of these guys to try and get things moving in the right direction. Boston may be looking for a veteran d-man for the playoffs, does Nick Schultz and Gagner and possibly a prospect get you Paille and Bartkowski. Maybe a deal with Washington to get Joel Ward and Karl Alzner. Management has to start now to make some moves, they need to bring some guys in now to get familiar with one another rather than waiting until the offseason and having to start all over again next year and getting off to another brutal start. MacT says he is not afraid of making bold moves, lets see some.

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#43 S cottV
January 05 2014, 11:26AM
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K_Mart wrote:

Not sure why anyone expected us to even be a bubble team this year.

We are the youngest team in the league when you average the age of players based on minutes played each night.

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/10/17/are-the-edmonton-oilers-the-youngest-team-in-the-league-or-how-math-shrunk-big-john-scott/

Chicago scores the most and their top 4 forwards are 34,32,25,25 years of age.

Ours are 20,20,22,23. Think about it. Not realistic for fans to expect the smallest, youngest, least physical forward core to actually succeed at this level.

So let's give these young guys trying to find their way in the NHL a young first year Coach to find his way too. That way they can relate better with each other.

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#44 D-Unit
January 05 2014, 12:08PM
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Naky wrote:

She can be a doctor there, she just can't leave here for two more years during her practice. Hence NTC.

Merfer, I hope some day you are in a position where you're given a raise and a transfer (or you lose the job entirely) but your significant other can't follow you so you know what that might be like. Pro sports or not, there's always a human element involved where you should treat people as you wish to be treated.

In the end, it's just a game. There's no need to be a hateful person about it. The organization has finally done something classy for a player who has been a loyal soldier for them and if they're both agreeable on the movement because things have been worked out, then great. Otherwise, I fully hope they uphold it and try to redeem some semblance of honor in that management group.

Not sure if you are aware of this, but many people work and live in different places than their wives, and families live, especially in Alberta. Some who get home a few days or a week a month to spend times with their wives and families, others who when they leave for work aren't sure when they will get to come home again. Also, the vast majority of them don't make 4.8 million dollars a year, or won't make that in there entire career, and don't have A doctor wife at home.

Don't give us the "human element" argument. Life isn't fair, and can be rough at times, we have to get over it, and if Sam can't, we can add that to the list of reasons he doesn't belong with the Oilers.

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#45 Zarny
January 05 2014, 12:43PM
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It's funny how haters completely lose perspective. Not to mention clearly don't understand the value of offense in the NHL.

In 2011-12 no team had more than 7 players with 45 pts or more. Most teams only had 1-3. The LA Kings had 3. Chi only had 4. 55 pts would have led the Blues in scoring. Between the lockouts 30th in scoring for C was 62, 60, 56, 58, 57, 57 and 53 pts.

Gagner is 24 and just entering his prime. His career pt/gm over a full season is 50 pts and last year was on pace for 65 pts. He may have tailed off, but even if he dropped to 0.5 pt/gm he still finishes with 55. More likely closer to 60 pts which puts him at the bottom of 1C offensive production without ever having played a game in his prime.

So anyone who thinks Gagner has no value is clueless. The Leafs gave Bozak $4.2M @ 5 yrs and some think Gagner for another 2 yrs is a problem? Good grief.

Most teams are dying for skilled F who can score 50-60 pts. The Oilers have extra and need other types players. By virtue of three #1 draft picks Gagner happens to be the most favorable guy for Edm to trade.

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#46 D
January 04 2014, 05:30PM
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Obviously I'm not the GM, so my opinion is about as valuable as a bucket of John Nance Garner's Vice Presidency. But here goes:

Is Dallas Eakins the coach of next year's team?

Man I hope not.

Do the Oilers need to improve up the middle?

Yes.

Has Mark Arcobello done enough to make Gagner expendable?

Mark needs to show he can perform consistently at the level he started with this season. If he can do it for two seasons, then the answer would trend towards yes.

Will the organization have the same number of similar talents in the top 6F next season?

Not if making the playoffs is their goal.

Can they get value for Gagner?

No. But I bet Oil management don't overvalue him now as much as they did over the summer.

Is Gagner a part of the future with Eakins in charge?

I don't believe that the Edmonton Oilers can win the Stanley Cup with Gagner as the #2 centre.

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#47 outdoorzguy
January 04 2014, 06:04PM
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So how does a Toronto based reporter get this scoop and not one Edmonton "reporter" even had a sniff? The reporters in town are just as bad as the team. They deserve each other.

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#48 Drowning in Oil
January 04 2014, 07:08PM
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THE THING ISN'T " GAGNERS NAME OUT THERE". THE REAL THING IS......

IS THEIR ANYONE LISTENING BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, THE OILERS WILL TAKE AT LEAST ONE NEW COACH FOR GAGNER!

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#49 Primo
January 04 2014, 08:19PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

Some real comedians posting here today. Speaking of packages... Umm actually never mind.. May be some kids reading this.

Joshy...judging buy your intelligent comments the only comedian is you. I suspect you have never played sports based on your comments. Accountability comes from the players on the ice. Thats right. The ones that are accountable for heart, desire, loyalty, hard work and production. In return they get fame, recognition, an opportunity to play in an elite league and wealth i.e. juicy pay checks. Quit blaming the coaches "intel" man!

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#50 JDP
January 05 2014, 09:34AM
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If I was hall Id ask for a buyout.

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