SAM GAGNER'S NAME "OUT THERE"

Lowetide
January 04 2014 05:10PM

During tonight's Hotstove portion of the HNIC pre-game, Elliotte Friedman told the nation "Sam Gagner's name is out there" and suggested the Oilers would find him a place he'd be comfortable with playing (if a transaction were to be completed). It sounds very much like the team and player have decided a move could be made if it fits for all sides, although specifics weren't covered in the brief report.

LATE SEPTEMBER (21st)

Gagner's season went sideways in a hurry one autumn night in Vancouver, and the impact has been felt by player and team all season long. I don't for a minute believe that the Kassian stick incident led us to this day, but it probably hurried it along.

Bottom line: Craig MacTavish has to make plans for next year. He has to ask questions:

  1. Is Dallas Eakins the coach of next year's team?
  2. Do the Oilers need to improve up the middle?
  3. Has Mark Arcobello done enough to make Gagner expendable?
  4. Will the organization have the same number of similar talents in the top 6F next season?
  5. Can they get value for Gagner?
  6. Is Gagner a part of the future with Eakins in charge?

Those are tough questions, but the news today suggests that they exist in the organization and Sam Gagner (who perhaps Gagner has questions about his future as an Oiler) may be heading out of Edmonton during the season.

What does it all mean? Well, you never get full value in these situations, so prepare to be disappointed with the return. On the other hand, the Oilers will be going to market next summer with more money and will very likely arrive at training camp next fall with a bigger lineup.

We wait.

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#51 MessyEH
January 05 2014, 12:35PM
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Naky wrote:

She can be a doctor there, she just can't leave here for two more years during her practice. Hence NTC.

Merfer, I hope some day you are in a position where you're given a raise and a transfer (or you lose the job entirely) but your significant other can't follow you so you know what that might be like. Pro sports or not, there's always a human element involved where you should treat people as you wish to be treated.

In the end, it's just a game. There's no need to be a hateful person about it. The organization has finally done something classy for a player who has been a loyal soldier for them and if they're both agreeable on the movement because things have been worked out, then great. Otherwise, I fully hope they uphold it and try to redeem some semblance of honor in that management group.

Grow up. Suck it up. Your an effing millionaire. And it is your job. The world is tough, wear a helmet

There are those of us who have had to go through a lot worse. While earning a lot less.

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#52 michael
January 04 2014, 06:52PM
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Reagan wrote:

Salary for salary.

Gagner for Del Zotto.

I would do that deal and throw in a case of Alberta beef T bone steaks and a box of Cuban Cigars.

Lowetide I am so frustrated with Eakins right now that I am the last person to ask about his future with this franchise. I posted earlier today some of my feelings towards the man. The numbers are against him. But are the numbers a product of the players not grasping his system. Or are they a product of system play that does not work. Eakins is an issue for the off season. I just can't put all this mess on the players. Eakins has a few personality issues that rub me the wrong way.

The Oilers trade Gagner at this point it opens the can of worms at center. Would sam Rheinharts name be then in the mix.Or alternatively would Paul Stastny's or O'Reilly.

Either way I don't see MacT doing anything before the trade deadline.

The season is a write off. The question for me is who on the Oilers will step up to the challenge and show that despite the record they have pride.

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#53 Jimmy
January 04 2014, 09:37PM
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I wanted to trade Gagner in 2009-10 for Hanzal. Gagner today ain't worth much.

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#54 Sam
January 04 2014, 09:47PM
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Perhaps the Oilers could trade Gagner for Smid.

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#55 Oliveoiler
January 05 2014, 09:52AM
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I, like tens of thousand of others, am a die hard Oilers' addict. Can't help it - good or bad, I HAVE to support them. And that, my friends, I think is a huge part of the problem. We treat our players as Gods, we hope against hope that things will get better. It breaks our hearts when we lose, it breaks our hearts when a favourite is traded. So perhaps we should back off, stop slamming everyone involved and walk around with big grins on our faces. Perhaps our Gods don't like it when we criticize them, when we tell them to toughen up. Who am I kidding? no-one. We Oilers' fans will never change, why not? because we love our team and are the best fans in the NHL. So drop the trade axe all you like, the next Gods are waiting in the wings (or centre, or goal, or D zone) for our adoration. Let's hope the next group live up to our long-time hopes and expectations. Let's face it, we are loyal to the jersey, to the history and not one man makes a team. After all, the cup was one again without Gretzky, and he never won another.

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#56 RexHolez
January 05 2014, 12:23PM
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D-Unit wrote:

Not sure if you are aware of this, but many people work and live in different places than their wives, and families live, especially in Alberta. Some who get home a few days or a week a month to spend times with their wives and families, others who when they leave for work aren't sure when they will get to come home again. Also, the vast majority of them don't make 4.8 million dollars a year, or won't make that in there entire career, and don't have A doctor wife at home.

Don't give us the "human element" argument. Life isn't fair, and can be rough at times, we have to get over it, and if Sam can't, we can add that to the list of reasons he doesn't belong with the Oilers.

Well said. If Sam wants to stay in edmonton with his wife, he can do so without playing for the oilers

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#57 CMG30
January 04 2014, 05:24PM
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I don't see a move till trade deadline day.

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#58 VK63
January 04 2014, 05:53PM
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he makes 4.8 million and is completely lost.

Those sorts of trades generally return head cases or road kill.

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#59 Stall35
January 04 2014, 06:56PM
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Pull the trigger, I am waiting on Gags to flourish or at least turn into a reliable NHL'er some where else just like his old buddy Cogs did in Anaheim.

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#60 etownman
January 04 2014, 07:35PM
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Maybe Kadri is coming this way from the Big Smoke!

Also, Gagner got the pay the market had him at according to his numbers & what other players were getting. Sometimes players & teams just have to make a change & we all know the Oilers have to change the make up of this team so why not Sammy? Besides, there is other centers on this team right now who can do what Sammy does only better. Let's get it done!

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#61 Bryzarro World
January 04 2014, 08:09PM
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Primo wrote:

Coaching is not the problem with the Oilers!! The one and only problem with the Oiler organization is ACCOUNTABILITY! There is none. 6 rings has no accountability to win. Hate to break it to you but neither do the players. 1st overalls that sign >$30MM contracts need to be held accountable for production. With the Oilers they are not! 1st overalls that don't produce RNH, YAK) require development in the AHL. That will never happen with the Oilers because they do not hold players accountable! Justin Schultz is pathetic and needs development in the AHL, that will never happen! Eberle needs to be accountable for his poor ice performance but rather he keeps playing. Nothing changes! Oiler fans wake up, coaching is not the problem.

The coach doesn't need to be accountable for his bad systems, poor communication, poor player management and on and on and on...??

The guy takes no responsibility for anything.

Give your head a shake...

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#62 Rod from Viking
January 04 2014, 08:17PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

Some real comedians posting here today. Speaking of packages... Umm actually never mind.. May be some kids reading this.

Don't you think that was pretty funny? I think Clarkson and his contact would be better here than in Toronto, it looks like he has the playing in front of the home town syndrome.

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#63 Nina Russo
January 04 2014, 08:40PM
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Why not trade him ... It worked for Cogliano. Lord knows we couldn't use a third line centre like Cogliano on this team right now. Oh wait we have Boyd Gordon, who scores a point a game. Trade gags so he can be a point a game player on a team like LA or Anaheim, or Van, or St Louis.

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#64 Serious Gord
January 04 2014, 08:50PM
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Sam gagner's value as a player is less than his contract is in $. In other words he has negative value - if he just disappeared and the oil got his salary and roster spot back they could get a better player - better ability and a better fit - with the cash.

Thus the oil when - not if - they trade him sometime before the start of next season will be trading for another player who has negative value in the eyes of their current team.

The difficulty is that the type of player gagner is is in extreme surplus - very few teams need or want what he has to offer whereas what the oil needs is in heavy demand almost everywhere

So the oil need to find a team that is under extreme salary cap pressure, has a 1-2 line player who is under performing and is grossly over paid - much more than gagner - and that team has to have an up and coming replacement for that player - because the oil don't have one to sweeten the deal.

I have no idea what team (or teams) fits that bill but I fear that his boldness will trade like for like - a small, ineffective, sub 1-2 line centre coming back or get a bunch of 3-4 line size that is too slow.

And when that trade happens it will be a huge negative on the scoresheet for MacT. Signing gagner was a massive mistake.

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#65 Serious Gord
January 04 2014, 09:57PM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

Gord, another way another team may look at is almost every player the Oiler's have traded lately has been far better on the next team. With the cap they will have to take back another contract that may be deemed excessive but maybe that player will fit in better here,do you feel the Oil management is starting to feel the heat?

I think it is accurate to say that players who leave the oil on balance do better than they did in EDM. Conversely I think that the opposite has been the case for players coming to EDM (perrons regression of late is a very interesting case that may only just be developing - i had a brief on air chat with rob brown about it after the San Jose game - he may be losing heart working for this coach and this non-team team).

That said while other teams may be making that 'we can resurrect this player' calculation when they look at the possibility of trading with EDM, very little of that valuation will be credited to EDM. I can't envision MacT saying to another GM "gagner's worth more to you than he is to us because your coaches can get more out of him than our wretched staff can, so you need to cough up more on your side to get him".

As for the likely hood of a move in the near future:

I think the pressure is really on MacT to do something. Anyone looking at the schedule can see that the crushing defeats aren't going to end any time soon - pretty-much all the way to the all star break. And as some have noted above, it's very likely that buffalo will pass the oil leaving them in dead-ass last.

The pressure to act is only going to get worse - my guess is the real tipping point will be when the sales dept starts calling season ticket and regular super pack clients to talk about renewing for next year. Can you imagine the kind of calls those are going to be? And the same goes for ad sales and other marketing sales. You have to think they are looking at a lot of resistance and quite possibly some price cutting on the ad side for sure.

Once that negative pressure starts - or just before it (I imagine the marketing guys are already sqwalking about it) They will have to act if only to appear like they will be better next year.

Obviously I think the best action to take is not a trade - but to fire the POHO and the coach. That would really take the pressure off the sales dept.

More likely - if past actions foretell the future we will see a trade of gagner and or hemsky. I think tambo was conservative because Lowe insisted he be that way and that MacT is under similar constraints unless yak becomes a real public irritant and then Lowe (and Katz?) will direct that he be moved.

So yes - I think it very likely we will see something of note happen in the next six weeks. But I am very pessimistic that it will be something of significant long term benefit.

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#66 Kr55
January 04 2014, 10:00PM
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Jimbo wrote:

Oilers are on pace to lose 48 games. Management is still getting paid. Ha Ha Ha

so you're telling me you're impatient after ONLY 4 years of King Lowe's genius master plan???

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#67 Oiler Al
January 04 2014, 10:23PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

Some real comedians posting here today. Speaking of packages... Umm actually never mind.. May be some kids reading this.

Josh, for a 6 year old, your typing isn't that bad.

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#68 Sisyphus
January 05 2014, 11:41AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Teams always look for defensive depth for the playoffs any of the eight 5-6 defencmen the Oilers have may be traded. Teams also look to have a veteran backup in goal if they are not sure of their starter ability of health both goalies are tradeable.

Teams will be looking to take advantage of a rookie GM in a position of weakness.

Hate to break it to you, but very few of the Oilers d-men would be 5-6 on a team in the chase this year. That isn't the kind of "depth" they want--and am 100% certain they wouldn't give you a dman, center, or goalie back.

Oilers dont need more picks and prospects, they need veteran roster players right now. Anyone in the chase isn't giving those up, especially not for what the Oilers have to offer in return

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#69 vetinari
January 04 2014, 05:33PM
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Is it a case of a coach who can't use a player properly or a case of a player who wants a new start?

Frankly, almost all of the Oilers are underperforming right now which makes me think that it is more a problem with the coaching and if you are going to make a change anywhere, start there, and start now.

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#70 Jodes
January 04 2014, 05:36PM
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Kr55 wrote:

What happened to MacT's gentlemen's agreement that he never should have made? I'm very down on Gagner's game, but MacT made his agreement to not trade him public.

That said, I guess he did tell Krueger he would find him coaching help and then told the media how Krueger is not at fault for last season and he needs to be given good players and then stabbed him in the back to jump on a total fraud manufactured by the Toronto Hype Machine.

This Oilers management group has a pretty lengthy history of backstabbing and having no class. People think it's the weather that scares teams away. That a tiny bit of it, but that's nothing compared to the bad reputation of Lowe and MacT. I would never want to work for them either.

But if Gagner goes to MacT and says "I want to do what's best to help the team/get me out of here" then the agreement is null don't you think?

I will agree on how he sh*t canned Krueger. That was classless. Should have manned up and did it right from the start.

Time for both of them to go..

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#71 Rod from Viking
January 04 2014, 06:05PM
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Is Dallas Eakins the coach of next year's team? Most likely since it is a 4 year deal, they will give him at least another 1/2 season after this. I am worried if they let him go they would promote Bucky.

Do the Oilers need to improve up the middle?

Yes with a larger more two way player. Has Mark Arcobello done enough to make Gagner expendable? A small sample size but for sure the rest of this year, he is not a second line center solution on this team either. Will the organization have the same number of similar talents in the top 6F next season? Not a chance, they know this isn't working Can they get value for Gagner? Value? A veteran defense man with a similar contract that is physical from a team that needs more offense, maybe.

Is Gagner a part of the future with Eakins in charge? I don't see Eakins making a whipping boy out of Sam but he still isn't being responsible in his own end.

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#72 camdog
January 04 2014, 06:10PM
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-30- wrote:

Not to be a pessimist but will this end up like Andrew Cogliano?

Funny how the grass always looks greener elsewhere isn't it?

-30-

Do you believe Cogliano turns into that type of hockey player if he had remained in Edmonton?

On a side I do believe if you put Gags on the wing or with some big wingers he can be a productive player. However I don't believe that Gags playing with small, defensively weak wingers is a means of success for him. The balance is off with this team, has been for 8 years and nobody's done a thing to correct this imbalance, why???

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#73 mlselli
January 04 2014, 06:45PM
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Yak went to his agent because he doesn't like how he is being treated. Appears to look like Gagner wants out too. (He insisted on a no move/trade clause in his contract, and was on the door step on an arbitration hearing---clearly he wanted to be here). Who's next? Can we really blame the players? The fans have been predicting this for over a month now. My finger is pointing toward Eakins as being our biggest problem. Nobody is happy in Edmonton, and the rest of the league either pities us or are laughing at us. The morale for the fans and players couldn't possibly be lower, and the management can't be blind. When do they do the right thing. The time for panic has come and gone. I think we now have a crisis.

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#74 TeddyTurnbuckle
January 04 2014, 06:49PM
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Didn't see the hot stove but it wouldn't be the first time a rumour didn't have any legs. I can only hope. Even if you believe Gagner is a good player or not I think it's clear the organization needs to go in a different direction for the second line center. Some believe he could be moved to the wing but there is no room in the top six and then we are paying 4.8 million for a third liner. After Cogliano's impressive display last night it rubbed salt in the wound that Anahiem has a better player and value going forward . If MacT can't trade Gag's before the deadline then he may have to look at a buyout. Either way Ganger can't be back next season. Sucks that his value is at an all time low though.

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#75 Mr common sense
January 04 2014, 07:27PM
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Ummm the oil may rid themselves of one of their midgets? Ummm....what's the issue?

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#76 vetinari
January 04 2014, 08:02PM
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Primo wrote:

Coaching is not the problem with the Oilers!! The one and only problem with the Oiler organization is ACCOUNTABILITY! There is none. 6 rings has no accountability to win. Hate to break it to you but neither do the players. 1st overalls that sign >$30MM contracts need to be held accountable for production. With the Oilers they are not! 1st overalls that don't produce RNH, YAK) require development in the AHL. That will never happen with the Oilers because they do not hold players accountable! Justin Schultz is pathetic and needs development in the AHL, that will never happen! Eberle needs to be accountable for his poor ice performance but rather he keeps playing. Nothing changes! Oiler fans wake up, coaching is not the problem.

You are arguing accountability, then hold the coaches accountable-- fire the ones that need to go.

Coaches determine the lineup, coaches determine the lines, coaches determine the time on ice for players, coaches determine how the players are deployed (PP, PK, 5v5), and the coaches determine what strategies are used. If all (or almost all) of these areas have gotten worse after a coaching change, then it likely wasn't a good coaching change.

I'm not saying it's the only problem, but it's a big one. Yak asked for a trade because of how he was being used, and it won't be long before that spreads to other players. Refusing to fix a problem because there has been too much movement at that position (i.e. the coach) recently is just not rational.

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#77 Rama Lama
January 04 2014, 08:31PM
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Primo wrote:

Hmmm...I guess your solution then is to change coaches pretty much on a yearly basis. Unheard of in pro sports history. Expand your horizons, look beyond the coaching. Your strategy in not sustainable. The coaches in the Oilers organization cannot continuously be held as the scapegoats year in and year out. What a joke!

Did it ever occur to you that just maybe.......we had the right coach in Krueger all along??

Keeping the wrong coach just because he started a few months ago.......now that's a joke.

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#78 **
January 04 2014, 08:43PM
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"Suck D%#k for the top pick!"

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#79 MessyEH
January 04 2014, 09:10PM
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@Serious Gord

Seriously Gordo,

maybe your best post yet.

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#80 Seth
January 04 2014, 10:04PM
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Kevin Lowe's definition of "winning" is completely different then any other person on earth.

Inigo Montoya: Kevin you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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#81 Walter Sobchak
January 04 2014, 11:58PM
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MacTavish.

Looking ahead, The Oilers have very little options left; they don’t even leverage on a trade for Gagner, which belongs to Gagner, so if Gagner want to go to the Maple Leafs….well the Oilers options are limited.

I can’t see the Oilers improving their position without massive change, not a player here or there but almost everyone.

The problems I see, MacTavish is viewed by many in the MSM as an intelligent man, after Tambellini, he is a pretty confident, well-spoken man & accommodating compared to Steve.

My issue, and has been from the start of MacTavish as GM is this; MacTavish is the same guy who helped give birth to the rebuild in the first place.

MacTavish body of work so far, most of what he has done has been on the signing and trade front is pretty unremarkable to incomprehensible.

He failed pre-draft in my estimate to move up in the draft secure a center (Monahan), this would have given him the leverage to move Gagner.

He failed to land a starting goalie, even after offering Vancouver an overpayment for Schneider.

He did the most alarming change in my mind by firing Krueger and hiring Eakins, this is what I would consider the arrogance & entitlement of the position he inherited.

Krueger had the Oilers in the hunt for a playoff position playing with a weaker team on paper & playing tougher comp, had Tambellini reacted sooner…..well we can’t judge what if’s.

I’m not buying the rookie coach thing ether, look at TB record with young kids and first year players.

While overpaying for Ference & Gordon, I thought these were actually really good support signings; Eakins & MacTavish have viewed these signing differently, both play above what their roles would be on any other team.

MacTavish went out, got no size, no talent, and no center depth, He talked about viewing Grebeshkov, Belov (the best defensemen not in the NHL) He talked about viewing Klefbom once and told the scout he’d seen enough to know.

Which brings me to a bigger question, from coach to GM & the players that left town during his time with the Oilers, is it a fair assessment his view on talent ranks extremely low?

Let’s bring in young Yakupov now, a good GM would have intervened by now, instead we get to watch the Oilers mishandle yet another young player; ask yourselves, have we seen this before with this management team?

The only way we can judge this is by results, (he actually said this during his presser) well, after 40 games the team is trending backwards, its regressing in every facet of the game, and the team needs still remain the same as the day he took over. The Oilers still need center depth, (mostly to take some heat off an 20 year old kid RNH, so he can learn and develop at an easier pace, nothing like sinking or swimming) A viable replacement for Gagner.

I’m going to throw this out there too; while Tambellini was not a good GM, he at least gave MacTavish the tools to use to get better, it’s not like MacTavish walked into his own mess & was told to clean it up, Tambellini cleaned up most of MacTavish’s & Lowe’s mess up.

So what can MacTavish do? The mess this team is in, the only real solution would bepicks prospects & anyone not named RNH or Hall has to be traded for this team to be competitive & that still might not be enough.

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#82 MessyEH
January 05 2014, 06:42AM
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2007 draft is to blame for today's a lot of todays mess. Three 1st round pics. (Riley Nash and Alex Plante. WTF.)

Gagner is almost a bust. (Based off of draft position.) 2007 draft redox here.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=634928

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#83 Freewheeling Freddie
January 05 2014, 08:31AM
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Do you think Justin Schultz wishes he had signes in Anaheim? What snow job did Lowe and company do to convince him to come here? I remember Dave Lumley saying the Oilers should have been on the phone after Sams eight point night .He is absolutely right. Too slow too timid .The Oilers have no vision, his trade value will be very low right now .However Sam if you need a ride to the airport call me. Also to all you Eakins haters, he was put in a very tough position. He had to keep the 3 stooges Smith Bucky and Chabot. Why couldn't he bring in his own coaches? Lowe just threw him out to the wolves. The coach and players are in a serious world of hurt. Time for management to grow some gonads and do an intervention

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#84 the tikk
January 05 2014, 09:03AM
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@Don W

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#85 OilFanInVan
January 05 2014, 01:33PM
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OIL or NOTHING wrote:

Having read through the comments, I have only 1 question

Where is DSF?

I would prefer to have him around as blog clown over this "Josh Oiler"

DSF was a paid troller by OIlersnation. When they got called on it and the advertisers approached them about it, DSF ceased being paid and thus ceased posting.

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#86 merfer
January 05 2014, 02:31PM
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D-Unit wrote:

Not sure if you are aware of this, but many people work and live in different places than their wives, and families live, especially in Alberta. Some who get home a few days or a week a month to spend times with their wives and families, others who when they leave for work aren't sure when they will get to come home again. Also, the vast majority of them don't make 4.8 million dollars a year, or won't make that in there entire career, and don't have A doctor wife at home.

Don't give us the "human element" argument. Life isn't fair, and can be rough at times, we have to get over it, and if Sam can't, we can add that to the list of reasons he doesn't belong with the Oilers.

No kidding life isn't fair. I won't make $15,000,000 in 5 lifetimes and that's just his last contract. You cannot tell me she can't finish her medical degree or practice in some other city. Please, thats crap. I know he doesn't want to disturb her right now, OK,then he should start playing like someone who wants to stay on this team, not the garbage that he has been producing. I know he can play a lot better than this. When you go out and get paid like this you need to start producing or accept the consequences.

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#87 Chet134
January 04 2014, 05:22PM
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Crickets crickets

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#88 LoweMustGO
January 04 2014, 06:06PM
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MacT learned how to buy high and sell low while getting his MBA.

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#89 Brian
January 04 2014, 06:59PM
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LoweMustGO wrote:

MacT learned how to buy high and sell low while getting his MBA.

It might have been Serious Gord, or another poster , who pointed out that MacT's "MBA" has an asterisk; one you can normally buy rather than earn.

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#90 vetinari
January 04 2014, 07:22PM
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Primo wrote:

So that will make 5 coaches in the past 6 years. Do you still think a problem with the coaching?? Wake up man look beyond the coaching!!

@Primo-- we all know that there are problems with the roster and problems with upper management, but how can anyone say that the present coaching team is not the number one problem right now?

We're worse in all aspects of the game, in the standings and in player morale and performance-- if that's not signs of a coaching problem, then what is?

Are you saying that it is better to stick with the current problem just because we've had too many coaches recently? That's like saying we should stick with a bad goalie just because it would be too hard on team morale to bring it a different goalie. Identify the problem and either do something to remove it or else if you have to live with it, then minimize it.

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#91 D-Unit
January 04 2014, 07:26PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

I told everyone yesterday!!!

Lindy Ruff was available and the Oilers didn't move!

Brian Burke could have also been had as GM!

MacT: ITS TIME TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON A BLOCKBUSTER DEAL

Sam Gagner and 2014 1st round pick for David Clarkeson.

For Burke to be the Oilers GM, Klowe would have had to be gone.

Also, Burke most likely would have had to have the POHO job, which would be a good thing.

I would love to hear Burke give true assessment of the Oilers players, Bobby Ryan style. Coaches and Management too.

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#92 madjam
January 04 2014, 07:35PM
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Gagner probably talked with ex Oilers in Anaheim the other day , and decided he might want to go to a contender . He's probably given up the Oilers will be a contender any year soon . Time for Gagner to maybe blossom in another venue like a lot have done . Big salary like Smid had and probably quite similar scenario trading him .Expect return to be negative at best , unfortunately .

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#93 S cottV
January 04 2014, 07:38PM
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1. He may not survive into Feb the way it's going and with the teams they are up against.

2. With RNH 2 to 3 years away from entering his prime a strong 2C or better yet an immediate 1C is a must, in order to compete for a playoff spot.

3. Arco can fill in short term but is not the mid term answer. He needs to demonstrate 3C capability beyond what Gordon is capable of in order to stick long term. Don't see that happening but give him a go to see. Would love to see the Oilers so strong in the middle, that it bumps Gordon to an excellent 4C.

4. Oilers have to plug holes in the middle and back end. The abundance of small skill forwards are expendable if could somehow assist toward filling the critical holes.

5. Probably not but move him anyway. Oilers will not make the playoffs with Gagner in the middle.

6. I don't see Eakins or Gagner in the mix beyond this year. Gagner will probably go at the deadline. Eakins may not make it past the end of the month but even if he does, I really think MacT will be forced to fess up that Eakins is not the answer for a playoff run.

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#94 6 ring circus
January 04 2014, 08:09PM
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Does everyone remember when Tambellini first took over? They blamed the losing on the veterans and the bad attitude and they got rid of them,then management blamed the training staff after Souray called them out because the Oilers wanted him to play hurt and they were all fired,then management blamed the losing on man games lost do to injury and coaching for a few seasons,now Eakins is blaming the losing on inexperience and the players do not understand defense systems,WTF the team is made up mostly of young players and wasn't Eakins hired because he had success developing young players? When will the blaming carousal end up on management and the professional and amateur scouting departments, they are the idiots who put this team together!!!

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#95 MessyEH
January 04 2014, 08:57PM
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The only measure of a player's worth is his ability to help his team.

Gagner does not help us.

He may just be what the Devils need. We need someone like Adam Larson. Not yet a #1 Dmen. But may be soon.

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#96 Naky
January 04 2014, 09:14PM
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I am skeptical about Sam Gagner being willing for a trade knowing what I know about the circumstances behind his requiring the NTC. But if those circumstances have changed or he was able to make things work then I suppose it's possible.

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#97 nick
January 04 2014, 09:22PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Did it ever occur to you that just maybe.......we had the right coach in Krueger all along??

Keeping the wrong coach just because he started a few months ago.......now that's a joke.

excellent post. MacT fired a coach he should not have. All that needs to be said. Keeping a bozo just because is compounding the problem.

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#98 Oil Can
January 04 2014, 09:30PM
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Shopping for LD wrote:

Possible LD shopping list. CHRISTIAN EHRHOFF, DMITRY KULIKOV, MICHAEL DEL ZOTTO, PAUL MARTIN, BRYDON COBURN, ANDREI MARKOV UFA, DAN HAMHUIS. Who is possibly in play? Who is a good fit for XXX?

1st pairing of XXX, Shultz Jr. 2nd pair Ference and Ekblad, 3rd pair Nurse and Petry

Probably not my first choice, but Ehrhoff could be a nice fit there. I'd take Markov on a 3 year deal.

WITH THE RIGHT XXX, I don't mind those pairings. Better than what we're rolling now.

How could anybody who watches the Oilers include J. Shultz as their top pairing D-man?

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#99 Jimbo
January 04 2014, 09:55PM
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Oilers are on pace to lose 48 games. Management is still getting paid. Ha Ha Ha

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#100 Maddy
January 04 2014, 10:19PM
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@Salvation

i love your optism, and love the choices you chose for players!! but by end of next year yak wouldn't have earned 6 million..around 4 will be good, but i like that you went and put stastny and winnik and downie...3 guys with size and talent!! i like the boyes depth signing as well

buttt i wouldn't resign ryan smyth, id leave that spot open for maybe travis ewanyk if hess ready maybe mitch moroz...its been trashed a lot but i like the idea you got going...ehrhoff.....lets only hope we can snag him!

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