SAM GAGNER'S NAME "OUT THERE"

Lowetide
January 04 2014 05:10PM

During tonight's Hotstove portion of the HNIC pre-game, Elliotte Friedman told the nation "Sam Gagner's name is out there" and suggested the Oilers would find him a place he'd be comfortable with playing (if a transaction were to be completed). It sounds very much like the team and player have decided a move could be made if it fits for all sides, although specifics weren't covered in the brief report.

LATE SEPTEMBER (21st)

Gagner's season went sideways in a hurry one autumn night in Vancouver, and the impact has been felt by player and team all season long. I don't for a minute believe that the Kassian stick incident led us to this day, but it probably hurried it along.

Bottom line: Craig MacTavish has to make plans for next year. He has to ask questions:

  1. Is Dallas Eakins the coach of next year's team?
  2. Do the Oilers need to improve up the middle?
  3. Has Mark Arcobello done enough to make Gagner expendable?
  4. Will the organization have the same number of similar talents in the top 6F next season?
  5. Can they get value for Gagner?
  6. Is Gagner a part of the future with Eakins in charge?

Those are tough questions, but the news today suggests that they exist in the organization and Sam Gagner (who perhaps Gagner has questions about his future as an Oiler) may be heading out of Edmonton during the season.

What does it all mean? Well, you never get full value in these situations, so prepare to be disappointed with the return. On the other hand, the Oilers will be going to market next summer with more money and will very likely arrive at training camp next fall with a bigger lineup.

We wait.

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#101 Serious Gord
January 04 2014, 10:45PM
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Dave wrote:

I agree with Serious - the poor play has already impacted all sorts of revenue streams. Fans and sponsors had hope at the start of the year and now the hope is gone... in fact the whole situation reminds me the the last days of the Pocklington regime. I could go to a game and pick my seat at the game.

The easiest way to gain hope is a whole scale coaching change during the Olympic break. Trading Sam would help the team but would not restore hope. Fans and sponsors need hope.

One aspect regarding seasons ticket holders and regular superpack buyers that is rarely if at all, discussed publically is that many of those holders have for years either broken even or made money selling those tickets in the secondary markets.

Many are writing off the purchase cost and selling and not reporting the sale for cash. If your tax bracket is 38% you can sell them for a pretty hefty discount off the posted price and still be in the black. Many cherry pick the games they want to see and the sell the remainder at enough of a margin that they essentially get to watch for free.

That market has got to be getting rocky. And these "tier one" buyers won't tolerate losses both on ice or from their wallet.

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#102 spliff
January 04 2014, 10:51PM
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The Oilers should have thought "outside the box", like they pride themselves on doing, right after Gagner got 8 points in a game last season, when he actually had trade value. I remember reading this blog and several astute posters suggested this right after Gagner's 8 point game. Why would anyone in the league want a non-contact, flyby specialist, defensive nightmare like Gagner?

In the past I have stuck up for Oiler management, and had some faith in the rebuild and believed that the management group, who have spent their whole lives in hockey, actually knew what they were doing. But after the absolute debacle of this season, which I believed to be the most important in franchise history, I have lost all trust and faith in management, coaching, scouting, ownership or anything to do with the sad-sack loser organization which has become the laughing stock of the league. I laugh when MacT constantly says that there are many GMs around the league who would love to have our roster and young stars. Who in their right mind would want what this? Is MacT on crack? Maybe the Oilers have their very own Rob Ford.

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#103 Andrew
January 05 2014, 12:56AM
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I am not and never have been a believer in Gagner. However if he or his representation think this is about a change of scenery they are delusional. Gagner is pathetic in the face-off circle and his own end. For 7+ seasons he has been the recipient of one golden opportunity after another and he scarcely seems to have learned anything.

He was a poor draft choice who was valued based on his jr linemates. I pray Friedman is not toying with us.

Bye bye, Sammy, your play makes me (Gag)ner. I will miss your post-loss opining and canned excuses (NOT)!!!

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#104 OIL or NOTHING
January 05 2014, 04:30AM
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Having read through the comments, I have only 1 question

Where is DSF?

I would prefer to have him around as blog clown over this "Josh Oiler"

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#105 Sisyphus
January 05 2014, 07:41AM
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Just a thought....and let me be clear before I begin that I don't think any of Oilers current mgmt team is particularly brilliant.

That said, the Oilers are in a tough spot. Every GM in the league knows how bad we are, and how desperate we must be to improve. The current make-up of the team leaves very, very few truly trade-able assets to offer to other teams. The vast majority of our players (entire 3/4 lines, pretty much all dmen, all goalies) are the kind that other teams MIGHT see as fringe players at best. Certainly nothing worth trading for, let alone trading a solid NHL center/dman, etc. for.

Given that, I do think MacT may be trying his best, but he's finding that any trades at all in the next year or two are going to be very hard for the Oilers to break even on, let alone win. Other teams have little use for most of our players, and the players they would be interested in, we either can't or wont get rid of.

Gagner--never happening. Certainly not just before a NTC and contract starts. That's a fool's bet that he stops sucking. Hemmer--they'll just wait until he walks from EDM to pick him up, no one wants him for a playoff run. Yak might be valuable, but given his tantrums earlier, his one-dimensional play, the risk of KHL bolting--won't be as valuable as we'd really like. That leaves Ebs, RNH, and Hall. And two of the three we basically will not get rid of, no matter how bad things get.

So how DO you make the kind of big trades needed to improve this team in the next 1-4 years, when you basically only have 1.5 tradeable players to use (Ebs & Yak)?

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#106 Don W
January 05 2014, 08:52AM
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@Loweblows

We need a slogan for McDavid. I know he isn't draft eligible yet but I think we need to plan ahead. It's kind of like how Vancouver has a parade route planned.

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#107 outdoorzguy
January 05 2014, 09:35AM
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First phase of the fan protest: stop wearing Oiler jerseys to games. Let there be a visual sign of frustration. Besides not going to the games (which we all know won't happen), this would serve a good purpose. When your kid asks why he can't wear his jersey tell them it's because the team sucks. Signs won't work because A/ you'll have a hard time getting anything into the building and B/ the Oiler game day staff will have Northlands security and usher staff take it away from you (Oiler staff won't do this, they don't like to be seen as pissing of their fan base and they're busy just watching the game). The chants are effective. You know, "Fire Lowe", "Fire the Coaching Staff" but I don't think the fans are themselves prepared to do that. I've said it before and others have as well, the only real form of protest that is to keep $$$$ from going into the Oilers bank account and ultimately the pockets of Katz. That means don't buy future tickets (I realize most of them have been sold for the season), don't buy Oiler logo'd items, don't get your flu shot at a Rexall/Medicine Shoppe pharmacy (or anything else for that matter) and stop supporting anything remotely attached to the Oilers. Economics are the only thing that will affect this team. Clearly they don't care what either tier of fan has to say and it is becoming apparent that they don't have the ability to clearly assess that there is a bad product on the ice. There has been two significant events in the last few years that has got managements attention. McKinnons question which got us the 6 ring answer and a jersey on the ice. But even these instances died out because the media have almost gone out of their way not to challenge management with the hard questions and as much as I hate to say it, I think the fan base has learned to accept the organizational philosophy of mediocrity.

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#108 Shawn Cronin
January 05 2014, 09:42AM
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Top 10 Oilers Problems: (in no particular order) 1) No veteran presence on top lines 2) The players. A bunch are just not as good as Oilers staff and media make them out to be. Defense and bottom 2 forward lines loaded with other teams AHL/KHL castoffs and very marginal NHLers. No coach in the world would win with this bunch. (ie crapola) 3) Terrible at faceoffs 4) Too many floaters 5) Too many forwards that are terrible defensively 6) This year, poor goaltending (Dubnyk is not that bad as this year has dictated) 7) The ex Oiler players in the organization (mgmt and asst coaches) are not good at what they do 8) All the coaching changes have left players confused on systems and probably feeling like they are not the problem....it's been past coaches. 9)If no one in upper management is being accountable, why should the players be? 10) Darryl Katz

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#109 Danger Pay
January 05 2014, 11:39AM
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Just came across this. It should help put some things into perspective and my f#%k it's hilarious, mostly because before the season started I knew the Oilers would miss the playoffs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnqaRY00Cug

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#110 MessyEH
January 05 2014, 12:50PM
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@Zarny

Gagner has trade value. You can tell that from the amount of traffic on the interwebs and forums. Lots of different teams fans want him. I have said for a while Gagner and Ebs have got to go. They do not make this TEAM better. They could be package to bring us in some solid depth. MacT should be working the phones.

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#111 the rake
January 05 2014, 01:03PM
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MessyEH wrote:

Gagner has trade value. You can tell that from the amount of traffic on the interwebs and forums. Lots of different teams fans want him. I have said for a while Gagner and Ebs have got to go. They do not make this TEAM better. They could be package to bring us in some solid depth. MacT should be working the phones.

Totally agree. Gagner will be gone this year, Eberle will be the guy that is moved close to or on draft day, really depends on where the Oil are picking, but if it is in the top 2, this will be the one and only chance that they may have a shot at getting Weber. Nashville may take Eberle, the Oiler's first (which could get them Eckblad), and probably a prospect to make the deal. For the naysayers saying there is no way Weber ends up an Oiler, you maybe surprised. If Nashville misses playoffs, they will need to also make some serious changes, and one thing they need is skilled offensive players.

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#112 Serious Gord
January 05 2014, 01:48PM
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Cannot believe there is even a discussion about a player's spouse's career choices having an impact on what to do with a player.

If MacT signed gagner because of it he should have been fired and if he's negotiating with that in mind now he should be fired. His one and only concern should be what's in the best Inteest of the team. These players are amply compensated to deal with their off ice family issues on their own.

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#113 Kr55
January 04 2014, 05:53PM
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But if Gagner goes to MacT and says "I want to do what's best to help the team/get me out of here" then the agreement is null don't you think?

I will agree on how he sh*t canned Krueger. That was classless. Should have manned up and did it right from the start.

Time for both of them to go..

Yup, if Gags initiated the conversation MacT is off the hook. I think that is very unlikely though. Gags is pretty comfortable in Edmonton and fought pretty hard to get his NTC and agreement to not be traded this year. Likely the MacT started up the conversation and has agreed to move Gags to a place he is OK with. Gags technically has no power in the situation, so I guess he can consider himself lucky he will have any input at all, but I'm sure he's still not very happy about it.

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#114 719
January 04 2014, 06:00PM
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Toronto seems like the best fit on paper. We need defensive help, and they need a center.

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#115 GTL
January 04 2014, 06:41PM
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With Oil brass's record of asset management, odds are they lose any deal.

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#116 Rod from Viking
January 04 2014, 07:06PM
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Oilers trade Cog's to Ducks for a second round pick a year later that turned out to be 56th overall, he is one of the best 3rd line centers in the league. Oilers trade a 4th round pick for Jerrod Smithson,who I don't think is in the league unless it is with Marlies. What a joke, don't tell me Lowe didn't assist in both of these deals either. If the Oilers would have traded Gagner at last years deadline for a defense man maybe things would be completely different today.

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#117 D-Unit
January 04 2014, 07:09PM
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-30- wrote:

Not to be a pessimist but will this end up like Andrew Cogliano?

Funny how the grass always looks greener elsewhere isn't it?

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Well, when the team a guy like Cogliano, goes to, is like Anaheim it makes a huge difference. A decent player going to a GOOD team is the key. Would Cogliano be the player he is if he was in Buffalo, or the Islanders or another bottom feeder team? If you put Gagner on a Stanley Cup caliber team, he could probably excel somewhat too, but he won't be a 2C on one of those teams.

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#118 Thinker
January 04 2014, 07:11PM
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, everybody calm down. Only one man in hockey has more rings than our POHO, I think he knows a little something about winning, if that was ever in question.

Honestly though, might as well hope they at least get a useful magic bean oil king back. Lazar or Samuelson would be nice, but when they are overwhelmed in the nhl next year they wouldn't be. The team is gonna die no matter what, as long as six rings has a job. Might as well make a bunch of roster moves so you're not always yelling at the same guys.

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#119 TeddyTurnbuckle
January 04 2014, 07:26PM
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I don't think it's rocket science what MacT needs to do in the off season and trade deadline. Move Hemsky ,Gagner , nick shultz and anyone else we can get rid of at the deadline. If this happens we will have a ton of cap space to sign two new goalies, some players with actual nhl experience ( no more Belovs) and leave who ever we draft in juniors.

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#120 S cottV
January 04 2014, 07:40PM
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1. He may not survive into Feb the way it's going and with the teams they are up against.

2. With RNH 2 to 3 years away from entering his prime a strong 2C or better yet an immediate 1C is a must, in order to compete for a playoff spot.

3. Arco can fill in short term but is not the mid term answer. He needs to demonstrate 3C capability beyond what Gordon is capable of in order to stick long term. Don't see that happening but give him a go to see. Would love to see the Oilers so strong in the middle, that it bumps Gordon to an excellent 4C.

4. Oilers have to plug holes in the middle and back end. The abundance of small skill forwards are expendable if could somehow assist toward filling the critical holes.

5. Probably not but move him anyway. Oilers will not make the playoffs with Gagner in the middle.

6. I don't see Eakins or Gagner in the mix beyond this year. Gagner will probably go at the deadline. Eakins may not make it past the end of the month but even if he does, I really think MacT will be forced to fess up that Eakins is not the answer for a playoff run.

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#121 gcw_rocks
January 04 2014, 07:49PM
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Gagner should be going to Buffalo to be the Sabres top right wing in exchange for Ehrhoff. Who cares if Gagner doesn't want to go there if it's the best move for the Oilers and buffalo shows interest?

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#122 MessyEH
January 04 2014, 08:16PM
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Primo wrote:

Hmmm...I guess your solution then is to change coaches pretty much on a yearly basis. Unheard of in pro sports history. Expand your horizons, look beyond the coaching. Your strategy in not sustainable. The coaches in the Oilers organization cannot continuously be held as the scapegoats year in and year out. What a joke!

Please take the time to look at the roster turnover. the Oilers have gone through a lot of players over the last 4 years.

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#123 40 Double D
January 04 2014, 08:19PM
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The Oilers are so proud to 'Select glad for Ekblad.' And next year, we'll 'Brave it for McDavid.'

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#124 Rick Stroppel
January 04 2014, 08:22PM
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PLEASE DO SOMETHING

Fred Shero had many great sayings and one of them was this: "If you want to avoid controversy, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing".

It looks like MacTavish really wants to avoid controversy.

If he doesn't do something, and quick, this is what MacTavish is saying to all the fans AND every player on the team: "I can say anything (coaching not a problem, bold moves, impatient, etc.) and it all means NOTHING. I don't really have a plan, I am just making this up as we go along. I decide everything on whims and hunches, just like my mentor Kevin Lowe! It's the Oilers way!"

I strongly suspect that Gagner has requested a trade. After being part of this endless gong show for seven years, who can blame him? He seems like a nice young man and I wish him well wherever he winds up.

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#125 Shopping for LD
January 04 2014, 08:45PM
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Possible LD shopping list. CHRISTIAN EHRHOFF, DMITRY KULIKOV, MICHAEL DEL ZOTTO, PAUL MARTIN, BRYDON COBURN, ANDREI MARKOV UFA, DAN HAMHUIS. Who is possibly in play? Who is a good fit for XXX?

1st pairing of XXX, Shultz Jr. 2nd pair Ference and Ekblad, 3rd pair Nurse and Petry

Probably not my first choice, but Ehrhoff could be a nice fit there. I'd take Markov on a 3 year deal.

WITH THE RIGHT XXX, I don't mind those pairings. Better than what we're rolling now.

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#126 nick
January 04 2014, 09:27PM
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Salvation wrote:

Roster for next year, if UFA breaks our direction

Hall 6 RNH 6 Ebs 6 - Perron 3.8 P. Stastny 5.5 Yak 3.75 - D Winnik 2.5 Gordon 3 Downie 3 Smyth 1 Arco 1.5 Brad Boyes 2

Ehrhoff 4 Shultz (3x3) Ekblad 3.75 Ference 3.25 Nurse 1.7 Petry 2.75 MAX

=62.5

AROUND 8.5 MILL IN CAP Leave 2.25 for YAK extension (7 years 6 mill if he earns it) Leaves 6.25 for a goalie to GET AND ACTUAL GOALIE!!!! Spend 5 on a goalie 1A and 1.25 goalie B

You're welcome MAC T. What say you nation?

One huge thing you overlooked in your little scenario. No UFA is going to sign here unless you overpay an old player like Ference. Edmonton will only be able to attract B and C level free agents so do not ever count on the UFA breaking your direction

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#127 HardBoiledOil
January 04 2014, 11:22PM
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Jimbo wrote:

Oilers are on pace to lose 48 games. Management is still getting paid. Ha Ha Ha

I have posted it here and there on hockey boards about how the Oilers will be lucky to win 25 games this year!

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#128 I tried it at home
January 04 2014, 11:42PM
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My New Years Resolutions - 1- somehow rip the Edmonton franchise from D. Katz's uncaring, unfeeling hands 2- Thanks for incredibly passionate yet totally unsuccessful management, services no longer required; K.Lowe, C.Mactavish, S.Howson, R. Olczyk, and if anyone named Messier is on the payroll, thanks. Bye. 3- Coaching. Easy enough. Thank you, gentlemen for your your long, long years of being here, but your services are no longer needed. Have a good one, and Bucky, mind signing my sweater before you leave?? (swoon)Oh, hey, Eakins. not so fast. Billy Moores is being brought in for a little chat, without anyone to look over his shoulder, Im curious what he will actually have to say about you. 4- City of Edmonton, people of Northern Alberta, and Oilersnation worldwide. A new, responsible and actually mature approach to working together on a new arena ( no invisible elevators, etc) and an honest commitment to returning to a community minded, proud and visible symbol of our HOME. Not business interst, profit streams, ego projects... OUR HOME.

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#129 RexHolez
January 05 2014, 12:42AM
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Woogie63 wrote:

Lots of talk of firing Lowe, but WHO replaces him. The President of hockey operations is critical to the vision and the standard for the team for the next ten years. It is one thing to hate on Lowe, but getting the highest quality to replace him may not be that easy.

Replace him? His job is a made up title. There is no replacing needed, just need him gone

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#130 Dan
January 05 2014, 01:24AM
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So what were the Oil thinking in signing Gagner to that big contract, and now supposedly trading him. Not sure what the Oilers are doing...Gags is just one more guy that is being crushed by the constant losing. RNH, Hall and Ebs will be next if the Oilers don't figure this out. Funny how Cogs was roasted here in EDM as being undersized and not skilled enough to be a top 6 performer...all it took for him to reach his potential was to be traded out of Edmonton. typical, anyone leaving EDM blossoms, anyone coming to EDM goes backward.

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#131 K_Mart
January 05 2014, 07:40AM
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Shopping list has been the same ever since Visnovsky was given away and souray was run out of town...

Top veteran d man, top veteran centre who can teach these kids by showing them what to do.

and still we wait...

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#132 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 05 2014, 08:12AM
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Woogie63 wrote:

Lots of talk of firing Lowe, but WHO replaces him. The President of hockey operations is critical to the vision and the standard for the team for the next ten years. It is one thing to hate on Lowe, but getting the highest quality to replace him may not be that easy.

on the bright side, literally locking the door to his office and leaving the position unfilled would probably not result in this getting any worse.

heaven forbid mr.katz drags himself away from spooning with his gravy new arena deal long enough to deal with something...anything...

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#133 season not played
January 05 2014, 08:40AM
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As we all know, there are several aspects to managing an NHL hockey team.

Player Procurement/Roster Construction

Pro Scouting

Amateur Scouting and Drafting

Coaching Staff Selection

Contract/Salary Cap Management

Player Management and Development

Minor League Affiliate Management

I would guess I have missed some but I would think these are the heavy hitters. Now granted I am one disenchanted Oiler fan, but when I look at that list objectively I do not see one area where this management group has done a good job. They make questionable decisions almost every time there is one to make. Now someone could refute that statement, but the proof is on the ice, in their record. There is no disputing this team is really bad and has been for years. The management group, whoever is or has been in charge has run this franchise completely into the toilet. And the frustratingly perplexing part of the whole situation is the same people who have demonstrated no ability whatsoever to properly construct and manage an NHL team(they got lucky in 2006)are in charge of cleaning up their own mess. And I don't buy that bold moves hasn't had a chance. Every move he made in the summer has contibuted to this team being worse. Partial credit for Perron, but that is far outweighed by the Eakins fiasco alone. So we can talk Gagner trade, free agency, top two draft, trade deadline, whatever. Is it reasonable to believe this current management group is capable of doing anything to improve this hockey team in any meaningful way? Unfortunatley no. It is a perennial bottom feeder organization run by people who have essentially no idea what they are doing. Proof is in results.

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#134 JDP
January 05 2014, 09:00AM
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This organization is a joke. I can't believe people still go and pay to watch a team lose every year. I was a fan of cogs. But even a inexperienced fellow like myself always thought that he was more of a winger than a centre. I'm happy for him and glad he was shipped away from this pathetic team. It's pretty bad when a lonely pathetic American commentator goes off on the oilers. Pathetic!

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#135 RexHolez
January 05 2014, 09:28AM
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If I was McDavid and the oilers were picking first, I'd pull the Lindros and refuse to play here

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#136 hall the time
January 05 2014, 09:39AM
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I totally see firing Krueger was Klowes idea he probably said to MacT "you know what would be a good for publicity if get a new coach and show everybody your the new GM", but we all know it's still the KLowe show.

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#137 Rod from Viking
January 05 2014, 09:39AM
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@michael

I had left the word "your" buddy out by mistake, Bob always takes Gord's calls,I listen everyday as well. The problem's the team has is not what Mac T or Dallas Eakins has done although Eakins has made some rookie mistakes that have made the situation worse.

If the rebuild started with drafting Taylor Hall the veteran players that have been brought in have for sure in hindsight been wrong and the only one of them currently in the NHL is Ryan Smyth,(Belanger,Barker,Eager,Hordichuck,Petrell) I didn't include Ryan Whitney and Andy Sutton because they were the right veterans until they got hurt. They somehow have to find a way to get some better veterans in here or the losing culture will continue and it can't wait for rookie players that will be here in 2-3 years. This all falls on the management and pro scouting staff that were here the previous 4 years.

Do you really think season ticket holders and fan's need to keep shelling out for this if none of this is addressed before season ticket renewal?

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#138 Loweblows
January 05 2014, 10:08AM
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Some teams have a teddy bear toss for charity when the home team scores. Our team which needs charity will have a jersey toss when we don't score.

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#139 Smokey
January 05 2014, 02:02PM
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I don't thinks Eberle is healthy. Track record will show he will turn this around. When he goes on a run of 12 points in the next 7 games his detractors will shut up. I can't believe people are saying we should trade him. Unless he's in the magical nonsensical Weber dreams he's an Oiler. If Weber was an Oiler, why would anyone suggest we trade him. Top 3 defenceman in NHL are rare, he is Nashville. David Poille is not trading the fragship piece of his franchise period.

Sam has had 4 years to emerge as a 50 point player. Last year he was essentially that, spare me the he was not. If seven years have shown us anything he is a defensively inept and small and inconsistant. I say moving forward you move him to the wing and make a decision to keep him or Hemsky. You dangle both names and see if there are takers for one or the other.

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#140 MessyEH
January 05 2014, 02:19PM
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OilFanInVan wrote:

DSF was a paid troller by OIlersnation. When they got called on it and the advertisers approached them about it, DSF ceased being paid and thus ceased posting.

I suspect you have some sort of proof!

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#141 Oliveoiler
January 05 2014, 02:28PM
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2 names - Peter Laviolette + his staff Marc Crawford + his staff

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#142 HOCKEY FAN 1976
January 05 2014, 05:18PM
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the fact that they want to trade Gags when his value is so low goes to show you that acquiring an MBA in business really was a waste of money. Allocating assets is about moving pieces at high value which you deem will have a greater impact in the long term, not moving pieces when you realized you failed in your player assessment. Any smart GM (which compared to the Oilers I almost argue all of them are smarter) knows you are at their mercy when it comes players coming back in the trade. Its actual value vs. actual value, not potential value vs. great value. Morons!!!

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#143 brian hitchinson
January 05 2014, 08:10PM
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@S cottV

The problem with the Oilers is, the management has overpaid all the supposide "stars". You have Hall, Eberly. RNH making 6mil & Smyth, Hemsky & Gagne making around 5mil! All the players I just wrote down are 2nd line players & probably 3rd line players on any desent team! Then the Oiler brass, says they can't sign any future good player with a high salary because they're at the salary cap. I thought they finally grabbed a brain by trading Horcoff, who was a 7mil. dollar third line center who scored less than 20 goals! Most Oiler fans can see the problem but the Lowe lead management team can't. Until they get rid of especially Lowe & who again looks for the supposed goal scorers who are small & get pushed around by all the large teams like STL,LA, Bos & just about every other team!! Then you have Aikens who has been a bust. Until the Oilers get rid of all management, the Oilers will struggle!!

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#144 RexHolez
January 05 2014, 08:19PM
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brian hitchinson wrote:

The problem with the Oilers is, the management has overpaid all the supposide "stars". You have Hall, Eberly. RNH making 6mil & Smyth, Hemsky & Gagne making around 5mil! All the players I just wrote down are 2nd line players & probably 3rd line players on any desent team! Then the Oiler brass, says they can't sign any future good player with a high salary because they're at the salary cap. I thought they finally grabbed a brain by trading Horcoff, who was a 7mil. dollar third line center who scored less than 20 goals! Most Oiler fans can see the problem but the Lowe lead management team can't. Until they get rid of especially Lowe & who again looks for the supposed goal scorers who are small & get pushed around by all the large teams like STL,LA, Bos & just about every other team!! Then you have Aikens who has been a bust. Until the Oilers get rid of all management, the Oilers will struggle!!

The problem with your comment is your poor spelling.

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#145 I Remember the Orange Jerseys
January 04 2014, 05:16PM
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...and wait, and wait.

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#146 **
January 04 2014, 06:15PM
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Don't toy with me Lowetide.

Gagner's hatred aside, Mac T should see what a great opportunity this is to improve the team. Since the season is already lost he can trade Gagner as a salary dump, ala Smid. Arcobello can't do worse, and it doesn't matter if he does, I mean, the Oilers can only go lower one more spot in the standings.

Gagner can go to a team where he'll be a better fit and have a better career, at least get a chance to do so, what he does with it is up to him.

Prepare for the deadline and free agency, be proactive, don't make Tambellini moves looking for a plugger when the season is gone.

One can only hope.

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#147 Jerconjake
January 04 2014, 06:43PM
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Don't trade Gagner last year when he had high value. Trade him now that he has a huge contract and his value is at an all-time low. Joke.

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#148 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 04 2014, 07:01PM
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TeddyTurnbuckle wrote:

Didn't see the hot stove but it wouldn't be the first time a rumour didn't have any legs. I can only hope. Even if you believe Gagner is a good player or not I think it's clear the organization needs to go in a different direction for the second line center. Some believe he could be moved to the wing but there is no room in the top six and then we are paying 4.8 million for a third liner. After Cogliano's impressive display last night it rubbed salt in the wound that Anahiem has a better player and value going forward . If MacT can't trade Gag's before the deadline then he may have to look at a buyout. Either way Ganger can't be back next season. Sucks that his value is at an all time low though.

Combine the idea that this management team doesn't have the courage to trade a player who is playing well with the idea that Gagner is not part of the winning equation here and you get to the idea that his playing poorly and lowering his trade value is actually and paradoxically, a net win......it's the only way he gets moved. Sad but true.

I would prefer to keep him till he's playing better...but when he's playing better I don't trust that they'll move him...so I'd rather see him go now.

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#149 TeddyTurnbuckle
January 04 2014, 07:10PM
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@Reagan

I would do that trade in a heart beat.

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#150 HardBoiledOil
January 04 2014, 07:14PM
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Stall35 wrote:

Pull the trigger, I am waiting on Gags to flourish or at least turn into a reliable NHL'er some where else just like his old buddy Cogs did in Anaheim.

Cogs numbers were mediocre at best his first season with the Ducks, and the previous two with the Oilers. he had a pretty decent year last year in 48 games and is doing roughly the same this year so far. let's not get carried away with the "flourish" stuff until we actually see if he can do it consistently year in and year out.

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