ROCK BOTTOM: WAITING ON THE BOUNCE

Robin Brownlee
January 05 2014 03:19PM

When a team hits rock bottom in the standings like the Edmonton Oilers have twice since the NHL lockout of 2004-05, the silver lining for fans is the expectation short-term pain will result in long-term gain and that the team will eventually pick itself up off the floor.

After seven straight years out of the playoffs, soon to be eight, the Oilers, as everybody is acutely aware, have been selling that hope to the faithful folks who buy their tickets and jerseys for years now – the bounce off the bottom, a rise back to respectability and playoff contention.

If you look at teams that have hit the bottom of that elevator shaft in the eight seasons since the lockout – I'm leaving out the Florida Panthers, who finished 30th overall in 2012-13 because we don't know where they'll finish this season -- the expectation better times are ahead isn't unfounded.

Except for fans of the Oilers, of course, who've looked on as their team has gone from being Stanley Cup finalists in 2006 to finishing 2009-10 and 2011-12 dead-last, where they have pretty much stayed.

Where's the bounce?

LONG WAY DOWN

Here's a look at the teams that have finished 30th since the lockout and where they've finished in NHL overall standings in subsequent seasons.

2005-06: ST. LOUIS BLUES 21-46-15 for 57 points

  • 2006-07: 34-35-13 for 79 points – 22nd
  • 2007-08: 33-36-13 for 79 points – 27th
  • 2008-09: 41-31-10 for 92 points – 15th
  • 2009-10: 40-32-10 for 90 points – 15th
  • 2010-11: 38-33-11 for 87 points – 20th
  • 2011-12: 49-22-11 for 109 points – 3rd
  • 2012-13: 29-17-2 for 60 points – 6th

2006-07: PHILADELPHIA FLYERS 22-48-12 for 56 points

  • 2007-08: 42-29-11 for 95 points – 11th
  • 2008-09: 44-27-11 for 99 points – 9th
  • 2009-10: 41-35-6 for 88 points – 18th
  • 2010-11: 47-23-12 for 106 points – 3rd
  • 2011-12: 47-26-9 for 103 points – 6th
  • 2012-13: 23-22-3 for 49 points – 20th

2007-08: TAMPA BAY LIGHTNING 31-42-9 for 71 points

  • 2008-09: 24-40-18 for 66 points – 29th
  • 2009-10: 34-36-12 for 80 points – 25th
  • 2010-11: 46-25-11 for 103 points – 8th
  • 2011-12: 38-36-8 for 84 points – 21st
  • 2012-13: 18-26-4 for 40 points – 28th

2008-09: NEW YORK ISLANDERS 26-47-9 for 61 points

  • 2009-10: 34-37-11 for 79 points – 26th
  • 2010-11: 30-39-13 for 73 points – 27th
  • 2011-12: 34-37-11 for 79 points – 27th
  • 2012-13: 24-17-7 for 55 points – 16th

2009-10: EDMONTON OILERS 27-47-8 for 62 points

  • 2010-11: 25-45-12 for 62 points – 30th
  • 2011-12: 32-40-10 for 74 points – 29th
  • 2012-13: 19-22-7 for 45 points – 24th

2011-12: COLUMBUS BLUE JACKETS 29-46-7 for 65 points

  • 2012-13: 24-17-7 for 55 points – 17th

THIS ABOUT THAT . . .

Philadelphia's last-place finish was a blip on the radar as they enjoyed the biggest bounce in a season after finishing 30th when they improved by 39 points. St. Louis is next with a 24-point improvement. The Blues best season since finishing last is 109 points, an improvement of 52 points. Philly is next with a 50-point jump in 2010-11.

Coming into this season, the Flyers have made the playoffs in four of six seasons since finishing 30th. The Blues have made it in three of seven seasons. Even Tampa Bay and the Islanders, who have floundered almost as badly as the Oilers, have made the playoffs once each, and the Bolts are poised to get in again this season.

Listen to Robin Brownlee Wednesdays and Thursdays from 3 p.m. to 5 p.m. on the Jason Gregor Show on TEAM 1260.

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#51 hockey fan 1976
January 05 2014, 05:12PM
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JERSEY NIGHT!!JERSEY NIGHT!! Say it with me Oilers fan!!!JERSEY NIGHT!!!!!

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#52 K_Mart
January 05 2014, 05:12PM
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No game day blog?

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#53 Spydyr
January 05 2014, 05:14PM
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K_Mart wrote:

No game day blog?

Oilers lose......again.

There you go.

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#54 RexHolez
January 05 2014, 05:16PM
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K_Mart wrote:

No game day blog?

There needs to be a game for a GDB. This is more of a sacrifice or slaughtering

JERSEY NIGHT!!! JERSEY NIGHT!!!!

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#55 vetinari
January 05 2014, 05:17PM
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K_Mart wrote:

No game day blog?

They don't deserve a game day blog!

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#56 Walter Sobchak
January 05 2014, 05:17PM
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David S wrote:

I honestly have to wonder how many people saying the answer is for fans to cancel their season tickets and quit going to games - actually have season tickets?

Dave, I have season tickets & I've already said that I'm not renewing, I can't see anything changing my mind at this point.

I've enjoyed giving my tickets to people who otherwise wouldn't be able to go to games, at least this way, I think my money is at least spent to make someone happy.

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#57 Hockey Fan 1976
January 05 2014, 05:20PM
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the fact that they want to trade Gags when his value is so low goes to show you that acquiring an MBA in business really was a waste of money. Allocating assets is about moving pieces at high value which you deem will have a greater impact in the long term, not moving pieces when you realized you failed in your player assessment. Any smart GM (which compared to the Oilers I almost argue all of them are smarter) knows you are at their mercy when it comes players coming back in the trade. Its actual value vs. actual value, not potential value vs. great value. Morons!!!

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#59 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 05 2014, 05:24PM
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Hockey Fan 1976 wrote:

the fact that they want to trade Gags when his value is so low goes to show you that acquiring an MBA in business really was a waste of money. Allocating assets is about moving pieces at high value which you deem will have a greater impact in the long term, not moving pieces when you realized you failed in your player assessment. Any smart GM (which compared to the Oilers I almost argue all of them are smarter) knows you are at their mercy when it comes players coming back in the trade. Its actual value vs. actual value, not potential value vs. great value. Morons!!!

It's like they say....the learning begins once you leave University.

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#60 Rama Lama
January 05 2014, 05:24PM
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Do we really want the team to start winning now? Since we are out of the playoffs, let's stink bad for Ekblad.

All the pundits are saying he is good enough to start in the NHL right away........perfect!

Since Mr. Chop Water drink wood is leading the charge.......I say stay the course.

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#61 Gerald R. Ford
January 05 2014, 05:26PM
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The only member of Team Katz whose employment is directly tied to performance is Mr. Patrick LaForge. Since he performs extremely well, in the only capacity that Mr. Katz seems concerned about, I see no impetus for substantive change, vis-a-vis the old boys club.

"Rock Bottom" was almost two years ago to the day, when Team Chicken S*** let Sam Gagner get the absolute snot beat out of him by Francois Beauchemin, as they all slid down the bench, whistling aimlessly, pretending like he had walked into a door, or something. The Oilers have dug down several strata below rock since then.

Paraphrasing Brad Pitt as Billy Beane:

"There are unlucky organizations, there are poorly run organizations, there are absolute jokes, there's thirty feet of crud, and then there's the Oilers."

I hate what they've done to this team that we love. Losing is one thing. This is bi-weekly obliteration, physically and morale wise.

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#62 oilbaron
January 05 2014, 05:27PM
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@Spydyr

I truly believe this has allot more to do with player development than drafting....

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#63 Woodchopper's Ball
January 05 2014, 05:29PM
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Piles of crap don't bounce too good.

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#64 Spydyr
January 05 2014, 05:32PM
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oilbaron wrote:

I truly believe this has allot more to do with player development than drafting....

Ever try to polish a turd?

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#65 Walter Sobchak
January 05 2014, 05:33PM
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It's just terrible to say right now, the only two things that are going to have any chance of getting the Oilers out of this mess is.

The Oilers continuing to lose & fans not showing up.

The only thing that will get the attention of this owner, god knows nothing else has.

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#66 RexHolez
January 05 2014, 05:35PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Sorry to bore you with information and context.

Hey Robin, in all your years covering this team have you ever seen the fan base so agitated and do you think it will lead to any dominoes falling, or will the fans just keep getting ignored?

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#67 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 05 2014, 05:39PM
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RexHolez wrote:

Hey Robin, in all your years covering this team have you ever seen the fan base so agitated and do you think it will lead to any dominoes falling, or will the fans just keep getting ignored?

If Brownlee doesn't respond, will that answer your question?

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#68 Serious Gord
January 05 2014, 05:39PM
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Gerald R. Ford wrote:

The only member of Team Katz whose employment is directly tied to performance is Mr. Patrick LaForge. Since he performs extremely well, in the only capacity that Mr. Katz seems concerned about, I see no impetus for substantive change, vis-a-vis the old boys club.

"Rock Bottom" was almost two years ago to the day, when Team Chicken S*** let Sam Gagner get the absolute snot beat out of him by Francois Beauchemin, as they all slid down the bench, whistling aimlessly, pretending like he had walked into a door, or something. The Oilers have dug down several strata below rock since then.

Paraphrasing Brad Pitt as Billy Beane:

"There are unlucky organizations, there are poorly run organizations, there are absolute jokes, there's thirty feet of crud, and then there's the Oilers."

I hate what they've done to this team that we love. Losing is one thing. This is bi-weekly obliteration, physically and morale wise.

And your proof that laforge is performing well in a job that considering the market is akin to shooting fish in a barrel would be?...

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#69 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 05 2014, 05:40PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Do we really want the team to start winning now? Since we are out of the playoffs, let's stink bad for Ekblad.

All the pundits are saying he is good enough to start in the NHL right away........perfect!

Since Mr. Chop Water drink wood is leading the charge.......I say stay the course.

Then the Oilers can ruin his career as well as Yak's

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#70 Gerald R. Ford
January 05 2014, 05:45PM
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@Serious Gord

He makes money. A LOT of it.

With respect, you, sir, have no clue, whatsoever, what it takes to run a corporation the size of the Oilers. If built-in fanbases were all it took to be successful, Steve Jobs would never have been fired from Apple in the 80s. Or John Scully in the 90s, for that matter.

Monopolies, contrary to the disparaging cries of Joe. Q. Public, do NOT succeed without talented human capital.

LaForge, is VERY good at what he does. If you think the fire MacT rally was a bust, I wish you good luck with the fire LaForge rally. Heh.

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#71 TayLordBalls
January 05 2014, 05:47PM
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Rock Bottom is trying to read this dribble about how the Oilers have peed in your cereal.

I can assure you this, MacT is doing all he can to find value players without emptying the cupboard.

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#72 Romulus' Apotheosis
January 05 2014, 05:49PM
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There seems to be some disparity between the persistently bad teams and the teams that dip into terrible very briefly.

Colby Cosh tweeted this the other day:

Colby Cosh ‏@colbycosh 3 Jan Worst NHL teams since start of 2005-06: 1. Edmonton 2. NY Islanders 3. Columbus 4. Florida

Colby Cosh ‏@colbycosh 3 Jan Worst NHL teams since start of 2006-07: 1. Edmonton 2. NY Islanders 3. Columbus 4. Florida RT @Toukochan: @colbycosh I sense a trend.

Colby Cosh ‏@colbycosh 3 Jan Worst NHL teams since start of 2007-08: 1. Edmonton 2. NY Islanders 3. Columbus 4. Florida

Colby Cosh ‏@colbycosh 3 Jan Worst NHL teams since start of 2008-09: 1. Edmonton 2. NY Islanders 3. Florida 4. Columbus

Colby Cosh ‏@colbycosh 3 Jan Worst NHL teams since start of 2009-10: 1. Edmonton 2. Florida 3. Columbus 4. NY Islanders

Colby Cosh ‏@colbycosh 3 Jan Worst NHL teams since start of 2010-11: 1. Edmonton 2. Florida 3. Columbus 4. NY Islanders

Colby Cosh ‏@colbycosh 3 Jan Worst NHL teams since start of 2011-12: 1. Edmonton 2. Columbus 3. Buffalo 4. Carolina

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#73 RexHolez
January 05 2014, 05:50PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

If Brownlee doesn't respond, will that answer your question?

I'm afraid I knew the answer before I even asked it

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#75 Sevenseven
January 05 2014, 05:57PM
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You know things are bad for the oilers when they dont even bother to do a gdb at thr oilers nation anymore. Talk about apathy, hope katz hears about this...

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#76 6 ring circus
January 05 2014, 05:57PM
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David S wrote:

I honestly have to wonder how many people saying the answer is for fans to cancel their season tickets and quit going to games - actually have season tickets?

Do you want my Oilers account number?

All I know is I will be 10k richer come May,I should've known better to renew this year, I will no longer buy tickets as long as Lowe and the old boys club are involved with the Oilers and I've been a season seat holder since 1999.

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#77 John Chambers
January 05 2014, 06:03PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Or it just fritters it all away via more bad management like the islanders have done for about 25 years.

The Islanders got impatient halfway through their re-build and traded Chara and a 2nd overall pick that became Jason Spezza for Yashin. Whoops!

They also traded away Roberto Luongo for Oleg Kvasha, and selected Rick DiPietro instead of Dany Heatley.

So in fact the Oilers are nothing like the Islanders because they're not wasting the draft picks they paid so dearly to acquire for enigmatic Russians and hunches with the first pic.

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#78 6 ring circus
January 05 2014, 06:05PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

Why would they bring back Howson? Columbus fired him and K Lowe hired him WTF for ? I don't think Lowe and Mactavish need any help ruining the team!!!

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#79 Gerald R. Ford
January 05 2014, 06:07PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

The mid-90s was bad.

Lots of nights with 7,000-9,000 people in the rink. Not sure if fans were as "agitated," but they certainly were more indifferent to the team, as the attendance indicates.

Fans won't be ignored for long if they stop showing up. That speaks louder than any ranting and raving on fans boards and call-in shows does.

It was different back then. People were worried about their jobs and the economy, more than what the Oilers were doing. Plus, I think fans were really sick of the owner. Not in the "He doesn't care" fashion, but, in the "I wish he'd get smothered in honey and dropped on an ant hill fashion". Plus the on-going threat of relocation, combined with Northlands rapidly showing its age, and the general sense of the party being over.

The crowds back then were a lot older, too, and they started spending their disposal income on more practical things. It was the perfect storm of indifference.

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#80 Arius Mumin
January 05 2014, 06:07PM
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The effort and the context of the latest articles on ON, show: if they aren't already-the writers definetely could and should be employed by the Oilers.

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#81 Rod from Viking
January 05 2014, 06:07PM
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6 ring circus wrote:

Do you want my Oilers account number?

All I know is I will be 10k richer come May,I should've known better to renew this year, I will no longer buy tickets as long as Lowe and the old boys club are involved with the Oilers and I've been a season seat holder since 1999.

What if they go on a 37-2-1 streak and make the play-offs and win the Cup? The chances are 1 in a million but I/m telling you there's a chance. I share my tickets and I am out for sure unless Katz gets to see lots of jerseys on the ice on National T.V. and decides to make a change at the top or a minimum of the assistant coaches get canned.( 1 in a billion)

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#82 DCC
January 05 2014, 06:11PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

The mid-90s was bad.

Lots of nights with 7,000-9,000 people in the rink. Not sure if fans were as "agitated," but they certainly were more indifferent to the team, as the attendance indicates.

Fans won't be ignored for long if they stop showing up. That speaks louder than any ranting and raving on fans boards and call-in shows does.

Even if fans don't show up this is a long road to nowhere.

There have been 4-6 games this season where my tickets have gone unused. Two weeks ago I got a call from my "Oiler Game Experience Representative" who after noticing the absences from games was concerned that it was because we were having trouble navigating the online ticket system.

From top to bottom this organization is lost.

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#83 Robert (AKA Hockey Fan)
January 05 2014, 06:17PM
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Early PP goal against....though nice comeback by Ebs

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#84 Anton
January 05 2014, 06:23PM
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The frustrating thing about Oilers management is that they don't get it that being impatient will only regress any development.

This is still a young team, what they need is to let youngsters polish their games and gain some confidence by doing the best in their own department.

Instead, they hired a fancy-pansy coach that wants to introduce a "system" when most of the players are still learning the basic. It is like trying to teach bunch of elementary calculus.

Roy's successes in Colorado was that he simplify the game, keep doing what his player can do best, play hard, and keep the puck out of their own zone, be more aggressive when the team is behind, taking care of the puck, and shoot more shoot often. How many of those messages have delivered by Eakins? Forget about the defense, the team are not even trying to shoot and surely are not taking care of the puck.

The team is not that bad, at least it is not last place kind of bad. It is up to management to fully understand about how this team is and how to get each player individually better instead of rushing the development of bunch of kids.

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#85 vetinari
January 05 2014, 06:24PM
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To make some extra money for the team, the Oilers should offer a MBA course to interested fans using their management team's strengths:

"How To Distinguish Tiers of Fans with Kevin Lowe"

"Bold Moves, Bad Moves? With Craig MacTavish"

"Mastering the Grimace with Dallas Eakins"

"Media Relations 101: Open Mikes + Management = Disaster?"

"Jersey Tosses and Home Game Losses-- Keeping the Villagers Away From the Pitchforks"

"Terminate Like the Terminators: How to Fire a Coach Using Technology with Craig MacTavish"

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#86 Shawn Cronin
January 05 2014, 06:26PM
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Oilers win this one, in keeping with their trend of losing 4-6 games in a row then winning 1. Fans hop back on bandwagon, which is also part of the trend. Oilers lose next 5 after this one (STL, PIT, CHI, DAL, MIN) before beating Jets in the 6th game. The cycle repeats......

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#87 Robert (AKA Hockey Fan)
January 05 2014, 06:29PM
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@vetinari

Or this award winning Kevin Lowe course: WARNING: Consumption of alcohol. Will make Kevin Lowe believe that NHL GMs are dying to call him at four in the morning!

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#88 Josh Oiler
January 05 2014, 06:34PM
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PLAY BAD FOR EKBLAD

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#89 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 05 2014, 06:44PM
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Gerald R. Ford wrote:

He makes money. A LOT of it.

With respect, you, sir, have no clue, whatsoever, what it takes to run a corporation the size of the Oilers. If built-in fanbases were all it took to be successful, Steve Jobs would never have been fired from Apple in the 80s. Or John Scully in the 90s, for that matter.

Monopolies, contrary to the disparaging cries of Joe. Q. Public, do NOT succeed without talented human capital.

LaForge, is VERY good at what he does. If you think the fire MacT rally was a bust, I wish you good luck with the fire LaForge rally. Heh.

laforge is a typical lying rich guy. Doesnt take genius to tell us that people dont show up cause of snow. remember a year and a half, 2 years ago he tried to tell us the Oilers were losing money and that why they needed public money for the arena. Yet the Oilers were one of the "Have" franchises when it came to money at the time.

He was one of the architects behind not having a farm team for 2 years.

Laforge is atypical greedy bitch. He will kiss Katz ass to the extreme and lie his ass off when told to. No ethics. No morality when it comes to the fans. just another douche in a suit.

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#90 RexHolez
January 05 2014, 06:51PM
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John Chambers wrote:

The Islanders got impatient halfway through their re-build and traded Chara and a 2nd overall pick that became Jason Spezza for Yashin. Whoops!

They also traded away Roberto Luongo for Oleg Kvasha, and selected Rick DiPietro instead of Dany Heatley.

So in fact the Oilers are nothing like the Islanders because they're not wasting the draft picks they paid so dearly to acquire for enigmatic Russians and hunches with the first pic.

So is that a good thing or a bad thing that this team sucks more than the team that mismanaged as bad as you pointed out?

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#91 bulldog12
January 05 2014, 06:52PM
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Quit your whining and crying in your beer. The Oilers need what everyone else either has, wants or needs. If you already have the big Centremen,bigger bodies or the #1 dman the only reason you trade them is if you have cap issues. See Pronger and Perron. With the cap going up that's not going to happen anytime soon. The only way to build is thru the draft and every manager will tell you that. Now you want to trade a 24 year old Gagner and complain because they traded a young Cogliano. You don't think MacT knows this and tried all summer to acquire these types of players. Patience you idiots. Half you guys are either really stupid or just like complaining and reading each others dumb repetitive comments.

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#92 Josh Oiler
January 05 2014, 06:53PM
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6 ring circus wrote:

Do you want my Oilers account number?

All I know is I will be 10k richer come May,I should've known better to renew this year, I will no longer buy tickets as long as Lowe and the old boys club are involved with the Oilers and I've been a season seat holder since 1999.

Yes I will take that Oilers Account Number

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#93 Serious Gord
January 05 2014, 07:06PM
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John Chambers wrote:

The Islanders got impatient halfway through their re-build and traded Chara and a 2nd overall pick that became Jason Spezza for Yashin. Whoops!

They also traded away Roberto Luongo for Oleg Kvasha, and selected Rick DiPietro instead of Dany Heatley.

So in fact the Oilers are nothing like the Islanders because they're not wasting the draft picks they paid so dearly to acquire for enigmatic Russians and hunches with the first pic.

They haven't traded them - yet.

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#94 Mo Playoffs Mo Problems
January 05 2014, 07:08PM
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@Josh Oiler

Josh Oiler: redefining rock bottom, one comment at a time.

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#95 RexHolez
January 05 2014, 07:11PM
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bulldog12 wrote:

Quit your whining and crying in your beer. The Oilers need what everyone else either has, wants or needs. If you already have the big Centremen,bigger bodies or the #1 dman the only reason you trade them is if you have cap issues. See Pronger and Perron. With the cap going up that's not going to happen anytime soon. The only way to build is thru the draft and every manager will tell you that. Now you want to trade a 24 year old Gagner and complain because they traded a young Cogliano. You don't think MacT knows this and tried all summer to acquire these types of players. Patience you idiots. Half you guys are either really stupid or just like complaining and reading each others dumb repetitive comments.

Holy hell you blind faith jock sniffers are annoying

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#96 RexHolez
January 05 2014, 07:15PM
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Get rid of Kevin Lowe tomorrow! He's clearly telling Eakins how to coach this team, practices and games! Lowe just cant let it go! Hall would be better without Lowe in management! period!

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#97 RexHolez
January 05 2014, 07:19PM
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RexHolez wrote:

Get rid of Kevin Lowe tomorrow! He's clearly telling Eakins how to coach this team, practices and games! Lowe just cant let it go! Hall would be better without Lowe in management! period!

That wasn't me, although I do agree

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#98 Serious Gord
January 05 2014, 07:19PM
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Gerald R. Ford wrote:

He makes money. A LOT of it.

With respect, you, sir, have no clue, whatsoever, what it takes to run a corporation the size of the Oilers. If built-in fanbases were all it took to be successful, Steve Jobs would never have been fired from Apple in the 80s. Or John Scully in the 90s, for that matter.

Monopolies, contrary to the disparaging cries of Joe. Q. Public, do NOT succeed without talented human capital.

LaForge, is VERY good at what he does. If you think the fire MacT rally was a bust, I wish you good luck with the fire LaForge rally. Heh.

You have no idea what i do or don't know about business operations. I have outlined much of my background here in the past before so I won't repeat it now.

That you use jobs as an example shows you certainly know jack. Jobs was fired because the company was on the brink of insolvency and he had hired a complete disaster to be CEO (scully). Apples "monopoly" was down to single digit market share and was saved in part by a loan from Microsoft because they needed apple in the market to avoid being regulated as a monopoly.

The oilers do indeed have a strong regional monopoly in professional hockey in one of the most hockey crazed and well-heeled markets in the world. How well would laforge fare in a tough market like Phoenix or Columbus?

Neither you nor I know.

But to say he's doing a super job here is just as impossible to say.

As someone who has been to more than few oilers games and can compare it to other markets and sports I would say that much of what the oilers do for entertainment off the ice surface is pretty miserable - I'm assuming that is laforges beat - so if that's anything to go by I think he is below average at the job.

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#99 "armchairgm"
January 05 2014, 07:22PM
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Quit your whining and crying in your beer. The Oilers need what everyone else either has, wants or needs. If you already have the big Centremen,bigger bodies or the #1 dman the only reason you trade them is if you have cap issues. See Pronger and Perron. With the cap going up that's not going to happen anytime soon. The only way to build is thru the draft and every manager will tell you that. Now you want to trade a 24 year old Gagner and complain because they traded a young Cogliano. You don't think MacT knows this and tried all summer to acquire these types of players. Patience you idiots. Half you guys are either really stupid or just like complaining and reading each others dumb repetitive comments.

Agreed! Lets blame Kevin Lowe while were at it! (best part about reading blogs is to see how many business savvy hockey minds there are with an opinion.) Robin Brownlee is one of the few sane ones who writes or comments on this site ever.

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#100 RexHolez
January 05 2014, 07:23PM
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That wasn't me, although I do agree

ignore previous statement. someone is falsifying facts.

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