MY TEAM CANADA

Brian Sutherby
January 06 2014 09:23AM

With Hockey Canada unveiling their Olympic team on Tuesday, I decided to take a stab at this year’s roster.

As we have already seen with the US squad, there will be arguments for days about the additions and omissions. Canada is deeper than the USA, so we can imagine the scrutiny of this team when it is announced.

GOALIES

R. Luongo

C. Price

M. Smith

I have no idea who may be the starter but it’s safe to say Luongo and Price will be 1-2 in any particular order. However, Luongo’s recent injury could change this. If you have to use your third goalie, you are likely in some trouble anyways so I’m not going to focus too much there.

DEFENSE

There are 3 no brainers in Keith, Weber and Doughty.

The rest of the corps is up for grabs.

Keith (L) Weber (R) Doughty (R) Hamhuis (L) Bouwmeester (L) Pietrangelo (R) Subban (R) Vlasic (L)

Notable Additions

Dan Hamhuis – He plays all the hard minutes for the Vancouver Canucks and someone (likely a lefty) will need to play the left side with one of Weber or Doughty. He’s not an offensive guy but he can make a good first pass, he’s a veteran and isn’t going to be overwhelmed by the big stage.

You need to have stability on the back end. Canada’s strength in their defense in my opinion is their ability to have “two-way” type defenseman. It won’t hurt them to have one guy that creeps even farther to the defensive side of things.

Bouwmeester could easily be in the top 4 but they may want to keep him with Petriangelo who are teammates in St Louis. The other 2 additions are Vlasic and Subban.

PK Subban -  He is making all the headlines right now and it will be up for great debate if he is left off the team. There is no question of this guy’s ability. In my opinion he has be to on the team but I don’t know how much he plays until necessary. If the back end is struggling to create offense or the power play needs some pop he will play. The extra roster spots this year give you that flexibility.

He’s a wild card in that he can be careless and a defensive liability. We all saw what the USA did with Keith Yandle. In a short tournament there are many questions Steve Yzerman and the gang must ask themselves when picking a guy like Subban.

Can you trust him to not cost you with his high risk, high reward play? Are you better off picking “safer” players? If he’s not playing the minutes he wants, will he be a distraction; will he be a good team guy?

He’s the Norris trophy winner and I think he has to be named.  He’s too talented but I expect he will be added with extreme caution and will need to earn the coaches trust.

FORWARDS

I’m not going to bother putting people on certain lines and decide which is my second, third or fourth line but I expect you will see pairs. In a short tournament finding quick chemistry is big.

Kunitz Crosby

Sharp Toews

Getzlaf Perry

Stamkos

Giroux

Tavares

St. Louis

Benn

Marleau

Bergeron

Couture

Steven Stamkos – Obviously he gets named but you have to think it’s in pencil. Coming back from any injury is so tough. Who knows how he is physically. The bone may be healed but has he had enough time to strengthen the leg? Then there is the timing and the speed factor. This isn't the NHL, this is another level.

NOTABLE ADDITIONS

Chris Kunitz – He makes the team in my opinion as a safety blanket. In a short tourney and all the concerns of chemistry, I think he's called upon. Are there more talented and better players? Sure.

Is there a better fit with Crosby in a short time frame? Your guess is as good as mine.

He may not have the notoriety or draft status of some guys and he’s definitely painted with the “carried by Sidney Crosby” brush but he’s still a pretty good player. He was a first liner for the Anaheim Ducks when they won the Stanley Cup in 2005-2006 and he’s third in the league in scoring right now.

He can hang with the best and if the best player in the world wants him there, then he will be there. If it doesn’t start out well you plug in one of your extras. I won’t lose sleep either way but I think Team Canada picks him.

Claude Giroux – Played his way back on to the team after a slow start.  He has really elevated his game at the right time.

Martin St Louis – Has experience and is still getting it done at his age. He also knows that Stamkos guy pretty well. It’s not a bad thing having a couple old guys around.

Patrick Sharp – Can snipe, has familiarity in Toews and can play up and down the lineup if needed.

Jamie Benn - I've played with this guy and if he wasn't in Dallas people would be more aware of who he is. He skates well for a big guy, has phenomenal hands and he can play a heavy game. I think he's a perfect fit beside Getzlaf and Perry. At the Vancouver games, the line with Morrow-Getzlaf-Perry was very effective.

Benn is more skilled than Brenden Morrow and has the ability to adapt his game to a more physical style if need be. The thought of a line like that excites me.

Patrice Bergeron – Great role guy, can fill a lot of holes when called upon

Patrick Marleau – Still one of the best skaters in the league, he can score and kill penalties. His experience and the big ice should be an advantage to him making the team.

Logan Couture – Also a guy that can kill penalties, there are only a handful of forwards they are picking from that kill on their NHL squads. He goes to the dirty areas and I think those things give him an edge to squeak into the top 14. I could see Duchene replace him or Marleau as well to add a little more offensive flare.

NOTABLE CUTS

Rick Nash – Hasn’t had a tremendous season, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he is still named. Experience is on his side.

Joe Thornton - There’s no question he is one of the best players in North America but on the big ice I worry a bit. He wants to slow the game down and they are so deep down the middle.

Jeff Carter - Definitely there if Stamkos can't go.

Eric Staal – Could be there, I just don’t see it with their center depth right now.

Milan Lucic – On North American ice he's a no brainer. On the bigger ice there isn't as much hitting, it's harder to get to the guy before the puck is moved. I think the Canadians have enough skilled size and grit that can get around a little better.

 James Neal – You could interchange him and Benn. He’s close.

Taylor Hall - I think he just misses out. His two-way game isn't quite there in my opinion and when you look at where he would likely need to play, he doesn't fit for me. I don’t think he cracks the top 6 and he doesn’t have as many intangibles some other bottom 6 guys will bring.

Unfortunately I also think his lack of playoff experience at the NHL level may hurt him a bit. In 4 years he's a lock.

Matt Duchene – Same as Hall. Great talent, just not as well rounded as some older more experienced guys.

TUESDAY

It will be exciting. I’m not sure you can go very wrong with any of the bubble guys. Canada is so deep, many are interchangeable.

Who’s on your squad?

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#1 Chris A
January 06 2014, 09:28AM
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If Neal is really interchangeable with Benn, then you put Neal on the team. He also has a lot of chemistry with Crosby. Add to that the fact he is second in the league in points per game and fifth in the league in goals per game this season.

IMO, Neal should be on the team.

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#2 EricOG
January 06 2014, 09:31AM
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Hello, this year they play on the big ice right?

Do you think that team USA took that into consideration when making the roster?

Thank you for your answer Mr. Sutherby

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#3 Mikey
January 06 2014, 09:40AM
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Great list. But I would leave off Marleau and St.Louis. Bring in Nash, Carter, or Neal.

You are right about expereance. Nash is the man.

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#4 Mr common sense
January 06 2014, 09:42AM
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Hall for sure should not be on the team, no oiler knows how to play defence and in a one-game scenario, no friggin way to take that chance. The one guy who gets no love is Matt duchesne. Jesus this guy is unreal, best and fastest skater in the league, he'd draw 3 penalties a game just because of his speed, lethal player should be automatic. Anyone who has seen him live knows what I'm saying

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#5 **
January 06 2014, 09:48AM
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I would bring Thorton instead of Benn. If I'm bringing MArleau and Couture, then Thorton is a no brainer, he leads the NHL in assists, and the chemistry team would work out great with those 3 on the same line. I leave Benn out for the same reason Lucic and Staal are being left out, and Carter for that matter: there's not much need for big hitting forwards on the bigger ice.

I would bring Giordano over Subban. If a game is tight or if there is an injury, I think Giordano has more character and grit to hold the fort. Somehow I got the feeling Phaneuf makes the team.

Either way, Canada's back end is going to be sick.

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#6 Chris A
January 06 2014, 09:50AM
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Nash has no place on this team. Dude only has 7 goals and 16 points this season. I get that he has been a Team Canada fixture in the past, but he has not been very good lately.

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#7 Spydyr
January 06 2014, 09:52AM
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Nice, cut the slow skaters. Me like.

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#8 The Farmer
January 06 2014, 09:53AM
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Honestly it's so close it probably doesn't matter. However I hate hearing about safe picks. That worked really well for the Junior team. Maybe the high risk high reward guy (Subban) is the guy who scores the OT winner instead of the safe guy who played really great D in a 2-1 loss.

I have Hall on my team but I'm obviously biased, just would make the team more fun to watch as an Oiler fan.

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#9 Truth
January 06 2014, 10:05AM
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I hope they don't name Kunitz.

Everyone's reasoning for thinking he makes the team: Chemistry with Crosby, plus he's a decent player.

Firstly, I like the looks of Crosby + any other Canadian you listed including the notable cuts, with the exception of Joe Thornton, instead of Kunitz as a pair. How about Giroux - Crosby - Marleau as a line instead of Kunitz - Crosby - Marleau, for example. Not even close who I'd rather have playing. Also, once you remove Kunitz you get to add any other player from the list of cuts to the team. All of which are much better players than Kunitz.

It has been mentioned a ton out there the last couple of days, but if Hall played on practically any other team in the league and put up identical numbers I think he would a lock to make team Canada.

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#10 MessyEH
January 06 2014, 10:09AM
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I really don't get the dislike for Subban around here.

Won a Norris. He's on my team.

I would leave Mike Smith off the team. Brodeur and his 100 years of experience is who I bring. Price and Lou are the goalies, Brodeur is there because he's a legend and a good team guy.Smith is the benefactor of a strong Phoenix Defense. Much like Happy Boozin and Breezy before him.

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#11 DAVE
January 06 2014, 10:44AM
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What's all this talk about big ice? This was a ball hockey team last summer.

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#12 Mo Playoffs Mo Problems
January 06 2014, 10:52AM
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Hey Brian, great article and solid assessments.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't Hall be the youngest player for Canada if he made the team? I can't seem to find anyone from the 2010 draft class onward that's in consideration. I'm a big fan of Hall and am often critical of his game (turnovers, attempted toe drags, etc.), but it's easy to forget how young he is compared to the people that are currently dominating the game.

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#13 The Soup Fascist
January 06 2014, 11:05AM
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Neal > Benn. Neal is the better skater, IMO.

St. Louis seems like he has aged a lot over the last year. Leave him at home. Same with your bubble guys Thornton and Nash.

Marleau would not be on my list but it would be OK to have him just for the fact that naming Patty would cause Jeremy Roenick's head to explode - literally - if he is doing Olympics for NBC.

Personally I would have both Hall and Duchesne on my team. Both are fantastic skaters and eat up ice. I know they are very unlikely to make it but I think it would be fun to watch. Problem is in a tight game is Babcock throwing T. Hall over the boards? Unlikely. Duchesne a little "safer" if one of them gets the nod. But if you are having two forwards sitting in the pressbox each game, why not young guys who can play in 2018 vs. raisins like St. Louis and Marleau.

Kunitz pick is tough. I know he has had success with Sid, but hard not to believe there are not more talented guys that could play with 87. Has a Rob Zamuner feel to the pick.

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#14 jake
January 06 2014, 11:14AM
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Does anyone think the NHL is going to South Korea in 2018? I think you see those World Cups etc. start to take shape, where the NHL can make more money, instead of the Olympics.

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#15 Cody anderson
January 06 2014, 11:16AM
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I love Hall. He is easily my favorite Oiler. that being said I leave him off the team for the same reason PK is either brought over as a PP specialist or left off the team.

Canada is so deep that you can get players that are a lot more sound defensively without giving up to much on the offensive side.

I would love to see Hall playing with some of the superstars over there and have no doubt he will force his way on the team next time, but he still has way to many give-aways in his game.

PK is what I think J Schultz has the potential to be. Very talented offensive D-man that has the ability to be a game changer......in either direction.

I love J Schultz' skill and willingness to jump into the forecheck, but until we have a stud to put out there as his partner he will always be a liability.

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#16 Muji
January 06 2014, 11:18AM
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"he (Hall) doesn’t have as many intangibles some other bottom 6 guys will bring."

Can you elaborate on these "intangibles"? What are they? I think it's a little lazy to simply write "intangibles" without going into detail (considering this is what Oilers fan will want to know). It's like that Seinfeld episode where everyone is describing things with "yadda yadda yadda". Taylor Hall doesn't make the team because despite being the best offensive LW in the world, yadda yadda yadda...

I don't think Taylor Hall will make the team; it'd be nice for this Oilers fan to watch him play, but there are so many great Canadian forwards that you really can't go wrong.

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#17 oilerman53
January 06 2014, 11:30AM
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I dont see the Canadians winning this one, there isnt enough emphasis on playing the bigger ice surface. I think the rules should be amended to every year or every olympics to be played on an NHL ice surface. Hall does deserve a spot and could in fact have one due to Lowes influence on the Canadian braintrust.

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#18 K_Mart
January 06 2014, 12:08PM
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COUTURE and BENN shouldn't be on anyone's team IMO. Neither of them is there defensively AT ALL. Big fail if either of those two end up on the team.

The team has enough face off specialists and top penalty killers that PATRICE BERGERON really has no business being on the team either. His speed isn't where it needs to be for the big ice either.

And KUNITZ?!?! Really? I don't think Crosby is the kind of player that needs Kunitz to be there in order to produce points. That relation ship works the other way. If you remove Kunitz from the Crosby Kunitz pairing, it will be kunitz that suffers, not Crosby. Trust me when I say, no matter who you put on Crosby's wing, he will find a way to get his line producing offense right away, in no way does he depend on Kunitz being there.

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#19 Tikkanese
January 06 2014, 12:09PM
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The only real question is: Would Canada's "B" team contend for a medal?

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#20 Serious Gord
January 06 2014, 12:26PM
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I heard some of cherrys picks this am. And I like the way he's going- bieksa instead of vlasic, duchene instead of St. Louis. (I think he left of St. Louis) and Seguin in as a winger (played well there with Boston) in a PK role.

Hurts not to see Thornton and lucic there...

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#21 A-Mc
January 06 2014, 12:31PM
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Like the wild card PK Subban on D, i think Taylor hall brings something that you can't deny that could make him a great wild card choice for Forwards. I definitely do not think I'm being a homer here; i get that Hall has major warts.. But when you can dress 13 forwards (read: 1 extra over the 4 lines) i don't see how you pass up Halls speed and ability to push the pace of the game. Duchene is right there as well for the same reasons. I would be really happy for either of these young guys if they were named and i seriously think Team Canada needs to do so.

Also, as much as i would love to see Stamkos there, his injury isn't a simple groin pull. He broke his damn leg in half.. You don't just "return" from that after a few months. Guys will say anything to play in the olympics so you can't really trust what Stamkos is going to tell you about how he feels. I worry that the coaching staff will find out the hard way; once the team is set and his performance is lacking. All i have to say about this is that he had better be kicking ass in the NHL again before they even THINK of giving him a plane ticket to Sochi.

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#22 A-Mc
January 06 2014, 12:36PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Neal > Benn. Neal is the better skater, IMO.

St. Louis seems like he has aged a lot over the last year. Leave him at home. Same with your bubble guys Thornton and Nash.

Marleau would not be on my list but it would be OK to have him just for the fact that naming Patty would cause Jeremy Roenick's head to explode - literally - if he is doing Olympics for NBC.

Personally I would have both Hall and Duchesne on my team. Both are fantastic skaters and eat up ice. I know they are very unlikely to make it but I think it would be fun to watch. Problem is in a tight game is Babcock throwing T. Hall over the boards? Unlikely. Duchesne a little "safer" if one of them gets the nod. But if you are having two forwards sitting in the pressbox each game, why not young guys who can play in 2018 vs. raisins like St. Louis and Marleau.

Kunitz pick is tough. I know he has had success with Sid, but hard not to believe there are not more talented guys that could play with 87. Has a Rob Zamuner feel to the pick.

You bring up a good point.

Why not bring a couple guys along that may not play any significant minutes, but will most certainly be on the team 4 years from now. It's like a small, low risk, investment into your future.

I am a huge fan of Hall/Duchene also, due to their speed (on top of the skill they have for making plays AND finishing). I would love to see both of them, and imagine if they somehow played together? That line would fly like a mofo

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#23 Fish
January 06 2014, 12:40PM
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Neal for sure. He's one of my locks.

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#24 Tikkanese
January 06 2014, 12:41PM
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Where's Scott Hannan and Eric Brewer on these lists? Didn't Team Canada play them when they were near rookies with the sole purpose of giving them experience to lead Team Canada's Defense in future tournaments?

What's that you say? They were never even mentioned as possibilities ever since? Good call Team Canada! Sounds like Oilers' management. Oh wait, KLowe ran that brain trust too.

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#25 MessyEH
January 06 2014, 12:50PM
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Hemsky named to the Czech team.

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#26 Smokey
January 06 2014, 12:59PM
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Seabrook over Hammy for the obvious connection to his teamates. No slight on him.

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#27 The Soup Fascist
January 06 2014, 01:04PM
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jake wrote:

Does anyone think the NHL is going to South Korea in 2018? I think you see those World Cups etc. start to take shape, where the NHL can make more money, instead of the Olympics.

Good question. Gary isn't trying to sell the NHL in Seoul. What times would "prime time" games be in EST - 4 or 5 a.m.?

I like the NHLers in the Olympics but if they are going to skip one - 2018 is the time to do it.

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#28 Serious Gord
January 06 2014, 01:18PM
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jake wrote:

Does anyone think the NHL is going to South Korea in 2018? I think you see those World Cups etc. start to take shape, where the NHL can make more money, instead of the Olympics.

I say less than 10% chance they go to Korea. It will be a u20 tournament.

Far too much money to be made having a world (Canada) cup. Bring back the Canada cup trophy and as a nod to cdas role in the hockey world call it the Canada cup.

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#29 Tikkanese
January 06 2014, 01:25PM
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jake wrote:

Does anyone think the NHL is going to South Korea in 2018? I think you see those World Cups etc. start to take shape, where the NHL can make more money, instead of the Olympics.

I'd rather NHL played in World Cups and leave the Olympics to amateurs. Seems to be an issue with almost every Olympics, either time zone, or gay rights, or political whatever.

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#30 MessyEH
January 06 2014, 01:27PM
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They we t to Nagano Japan. Why not Korea? They'll go. The players enjoy it. And the whole world watches. Not just the locals.

PVR is a wonderful thing.

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#31 Serious Gord
January 06 2014, 01:40PM
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MessyEH wrote:

They we t to Nagano Japan. Why not Korea? They'll go. The players enjoy it. And the whole world watches. Not just the locals.

PVR is a wonderful thing.

Players like the dough better. And they would get 49% of the World Cup take. It is a union issue and 600 members who aren't going are going to vote for a World Cup over the possible wishes of those who think they might go wanting to play in the Olympics.

And thusfar Olympic attendance has done squat in terms of boosting hockey popularity in no small part because the IOC owns all of the rights.

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#32 Dog Train
January 06 2014, 01:52PM
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The forward group is where the toughest decisions will be made. I was a supporter of Hall making the team in the summer but I don't think he has cut down enough on the bad turnovers (especially in his own end) to justify making the team. It does bug me a little that when TSN does their projections, and they are pretty plugged in, that Hall's name is not even in the conversation. Still, there is no shame in not making Team Canada, it's the toughest hockey team to make on the planet. I'm a Couture fan but I would probably bump him for Duchene because Duchene's speed and two-way ability would be a good fit in a depth role and killing penalties. Should be lots of debate anyways.

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#33 Cynic
January 06 2014, 02:23PM
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Would be a far more entertaining tournament if they brought two full squads of Canadians, one full team of Americans, and one full team of "other." Sticks in the middle. Rene Fassel - or whatever tool is running the IIHF these days - goes to centre and starts tossing sticks into the four corners. There's your teams. Magic.

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#34 rickithebear
January 06 2014, 02:27PM
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top 12 centers and 8 at each wing even points canadians:

with overall rank in Brackets.

Centers #1 (1) stamkos #2 (2) Crosby #3 (3) Getzlaf #4 (6) Seguin #5 (7) Thorton #6 (8) Duschene #7 (10) Toews #8 (12) Benn #9 (13) Tavares #10 (20) Marleau #11 (23) Carter #12 (24) Santorelli

Left Wing #1 (4) Hall #2 (9) Neal #3 (14) Sharp #4 (15) Schwartz #5 (16) Kunitz #6 (18) Skinner #7 (19) Perron #8 (25) E. Kane

Right Wing #1 (5)Perry #2 (11) burns #3 (17) St. louis #4 (21) Parenteau #5 (22) Little #6 (26) Eberle #7 (28) R. Smith #8 (30) Doan

Top Penalty killing Forwrds by Goals against results for Canada.

#1 B. Sutter C 2.07GA/60 #2 K. Turris C 2.30 GA/60 #3 T. HAll LW 2.47 GA/60 #4 Couture C 2.57 GA/60 #5 Santorelli C 2.61 Ga/60 #6 J. Carter C 3.38 GA/60 #7 Peverley C 3.41 GA/60 #8 Stoll C 4.26 GA/60 #9 Macarthur LW 4.31 GA/60 #10 Couturier C 4.46 GA/60 #11 Eberle RW 4.54 GA/60 #12 R. Smyth LW 4.60 GA/60 #15 Getzlaf C 4.68 GA/60

So there are going to be 2 units of PP time. 3 pairs of Pk units Our bottom two lines better be strong at even play and PK.

Pk rank and Overall (PK) and (even) by position #3 (#1 PKW)(#1LW) T. Hall #4 (#3 PKC) (#14C) Couture #5 (#4PKC) (#12C) Santorelli #6 (#5PKC) (#11C)J. Carter #11 (#3 PKW) (#6RW)Eberle #15 (#9 PKC) (#3C) Getzlaf

I am building my Pk unit and bottom lines from these 6 players. Cause they cover Pk and Even play! So you are not going to take Taylor Hall.

The 4th best even producing Forward for Canada

Who is the #1 even producing Winger.

Who is the #3 PK forward for Canada.

The # 1 Pk winger for canada.

So you are not going to take the #1 producing Even and PK winger Canada has!

Nice!

Did you pick canada's junior team?

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#35 Randaman
January 06 2014, 02:50PM
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Dog Train wrote:

The forward group is where the toughest decisions will be made. I was a supporter of Hall making the team in the summer but I don't think he has cut down enough on the bad turnovers (especially in his own end) to justify making the team. It does bug me a little that when TSN does their projections, and they are pretty plugged in, that Hall's name is not even in the conversation. Still, there is no shame in not making Team Canada, it's the toughest hockey team to make on the planet. I'm a Couture fan but I would probably bump him for Duchene because Duchene's speed and two-way ability would be a good fit in a depth role and killing penalties. Should be lots of debate anyways.

You mean TSN The Toronto Sports Network? That should answer that question

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#36 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 06 2014, 03:14PM
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I've always found it strange / frustrating that some Olympic snowboarder take three 30 second runs on a half pipe and gets one gold medal in the standings and Canada sends 25 or so elite athletes who play six or seven games and if they win gold it counts as one gold medal in the medal standings. WTF!?!?

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#37 Spoils
January 06 2014, 03:16PM
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Hall will NOT be on Team Canada. moving on...

Tuesday will be an idealized view of what pieces you want on a team, when you can choose any piece you like. Maybe we should best fit our players onto that team and see what we are missing most, and ask if that is because we have a different approach, or because we have a real GAP.

We drafted the consensus #1, and by definition that means we didn't pick for fit. Gretzky had 92 goals at 21, granted our players will get better, but we should have a great idea of what we have.

We need to decide what type of team we want to be, and what pieces we need to have on that team.

Anytime someone says "I wouldn't trade Hall", I just think of the Avalanche hoisting a cup without Sundin & Nolan & Lindros.

Tuesday for me is an opportunity to see what constitutes a state of the art team.

Let's get a plan and let's make some of these BOLD MOVES.

sooner the better.

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#38 Serious Gord
January 06 2014, 03:35PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

I've always found it strange / frustrating that some Olympic snowboarder take three 30 second runs on a half pipe and gets one gold medal in the standings and Canada sends 25 or so elite athletes who play six or seven games and if they win gold it counts as one gold medal in the medal standings. WTF!?!?

How about a swimmer who medals in three or four different strokes over three or four different distances? Should we have medals for best slap shot, best wrister, best passer, fastest 100ft skater, winner of a shoutout competition and on and on.

The Winter Olympics is truly execrable - sometime they just make $hit up and call it a medal event.

The medal totals should be based on number of contestants - a hockey gold should be worth 24 or so.

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#39 Jimmeh
January 06 2014, 03:57PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

How about a swimmer who medals in three or four different strokes over three or four different distances? Should we have medals for best slap shot, best wrister, best passer, fastest 100ft skater, winner of a shoutout competition and on and on.

The Winter Olympics is truly execrable - sometime they just make $hit up and call it a medal event.

The medal totals should be based on number of contestants - a hockey gold should be worth 24 or so.

Medals are awarded on event basis, not participant. Examples in Summer Olympics: Relay races, team kayak/canoe, soccer. Having the medal count adjust by participant would skew the numbers when comparing to previous Olympics. It's fine the way it is.

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#40 LoweBlow
January 06 2014, 04:42PM
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Spoils wrote:

Hall will NOT be on Team Canada. moving on...

Tuesday will be an idealized view of what pieces you want on a team, when you can choose any piece you like. Maybe we should best fit our players onto that team and see what we are missing most, and ask if that is because we have a different approach, or because we have a real GAP.

We drafted the consensus #1, and by definition that means we didn't pick for fit. Gretzky had 92 goals at 21, granted our players will get better, but we should have a great idea of what we have.

We need to decide what type of team we want to be, and what pieces we need to have on that team.

Anytime someone says "I wouldn't trade Hall", I just think of the Avalanche hoisting a cup without Sundin & Nolan & Lindros.

Tuesday for me is an opportunity to see what constitutes a state of the art team.

Let's get a plan and let's make some of these BOLD MOVES.

sooner the better.

Finally, the first adult post I've seen so far. Excellent insight.

Honestly, having seen the current edition of the Edmonton Oilers perfect the art of pathetic play, it's safe to say that no player on this team belongs on any Olympic team given their defensive play (unless Brazil or Colombia have a team). Hemsky lucked out with the Czech Republic though their lack of depth is to blame, not accreditation of his exemplary play.

Hall is our team's best shot and he belongs on Canada's C team. Eakin's cry for defensive responsibility seems to be a cry of irony at this stage of the season. The team was much better at keeping the puck out of their own net last year and with Gordon, Perron, Arco & Ference, this team is much better on paper. Why hasn't the team come together?

We have such short-sighted memories. Before the 10 game losing streak last year, the team rested in 8th place in the West. I remember the Oil taking it to a well-coached Wings team for 50mins before Petry put one in his own net and then was burnt by Datsyuk. We had a team that could control games last year. Isn't it reasonable to expect that the team would've improved this year? The team hasn't even stagnated, it's digressed.

Can we collectively create a 'report card' for the team and send it to the Edmonton Journal? Furthermore, to Mr. Katz in his Yaletown suite? Embarrassment is a decent incentive.

Sadly, even from Brazil, I still find the time to stream games of my mistress, the Oilers, even though all they do is disappoint. It's time to blow out the candle and just watch highlights...

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#41 Zarny
January 06 2014, 06:10PM
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Predicting Team Canada is fun because you can't really scr*w it up. 50 players good enough for 25 spots.

On big ice skating is paramount; every country should be focused on speed.

Price-Luongo are locks. Bernier or Smith for 3G. Bernier's played better this year but Smith stood on his head at the World's so he'll go to Sochi.

Brodeur should not be considered. He used to be the man. That's still his mentality. Price and Lu don't need a legend like Brodeur looking over their shoulder.

I'd probably go with Seabrook over Hamhuis even though Keith will play with Doughty. I get 4L and 4R though. If you take Subban there is no point taking Boyle.

Kunitz is the conundrum on F. Crosby is notoriously hard to play with much like Gretzky. 1st line LW or not Olympic caliber is a bridge too far. I'd leave Kunitz at home and take Duchene.

Good to see no Lucic. On big ice his skating isn't good enough.

No Joe Thornton either. He's the same player as Getzlaf. He's not going to play ahead of Crosby-Toews-Getzlaf and I'd want a better skater for the 4th line.

Benn > Neal. They are both good enough skaters but Benn is a far better player without the puck.

Canada is weakest at LW so I agree Carter only goes if Stamkos can't. I want 5 LW and Marleau is the bubble player. I'd go with Nash if he hadn't been hurt. Neal and Staal are close.

Hall was the youngest player at the orientation camp by 10 months behind Duchene. In Vancouver, Crosby was the only 22 y/o everyone else was 24+. Hall certainly doesn't have the intangibles of other bottom 6 guys.

The argument to take Hall though is simple...offense. The popular scenario is always an untimely turnover that costs a goal. The Juniors didn't medal because they couldn't score enough goals. They had a hard time generating shots. Since 2011 Hall is Canada's top offensive LW. He won't go to Sochi but he should get a lot more consideration over guys like Lucic on the big ice.

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#42 Serious Gord
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Jimmeh wrote:

Medals are awarded on event basis, not participant. Examples in Summer Olympics: Relay races, team kayak/canoe, soccer. Having the medal count adjust by participant would skew the numbers when comparing to previous Olympics. It's fine the way it is.

It's broken. Fix it.

There are what? 20 medals given out in speed skating? Is that fair compared to one for hockey? Individual sports are grossly over-awarded.

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For the idiots who argue based on points as of right now here is points by position:

centre: Crosby, Getz, Thornton, Tavares lw: Kunitz, Sharp, Hall, Steen rw: Perry, St louis, Eberle, Little.

that's your forward team right there.

dfence: keith, subban, seabrook, pietrangelo, weber , bowmeester, Garrison, number 8 Doughty.

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#47 Serious Gord
January 06 2014, 07:31PM
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Brian Sutherby wrote:

Babcock apparently wants 4 left D and 4 right D, making it tough for the additional righties.

I won't be surprised or upset to see several differences come tomorrow.

Pretty tough to be the actual people making these decisions, so many good players.

Interesting that babcock says its an issue when apparently there are not righties on the red wings...

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#50 outdoorzguy
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God I hope they don't let 6Rings talk! Whats he even doing at the table?

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