GDB 46.0: BLUES ON A HIGH NOTE...

Jason Gregor
January 07 2014 01:02PM

Ken Hitchcock's St. Louis Blues come to town on a five-game winning streak, and they are the 2nd highest scoring team in the NHL. That's right, the Blues are no longer just a great defensive team; they are a scoring machine.

The Blues have scored 150 goals and they are averaging 3.56 goals/game. Only five teams in the NHL score 3 goals/game: Chicago is at 3.62, the Blues 3.56, Anaheim 3.27, Pittsburgh 3.16 and San Jose is at 3.14.

The Oilers are in the midst of playing those five teams in a span of six games. Ouch.

The lost 5-1 and 5-2 to the Sharks and Ducks last week, and they face the Blues tonight, Pittsburgh on Friday and Chicago on Sunday.  When you are the 29th place team, every game is a challenge, but you can make the argument that the Blues are currently the best team in the NHL.

Not only are the Blues the 2nd highest scoring team, they are the 3rd best defensive team in the league allowing only 2.27 goals/game.

The Blues are a league-best +55 in goals for/against.

The Oilers are currently -39 in goals for/against, only Buffalo is worse at -44.

On paper this is a major mismatch, and when they met on December 21st the game on the ice mirrored the stats. The Blues crushed the Oilers 6-0, and outshot them 28-9 in the final 40 minutes.

The Blues don't need many shots to score. They are 18th in SF/game at 29.1, yet they are 2nd in the league in goals.

Some statisiticians will argue that the Blues can't keep scoring at this pace.

Backes has a 21.3 SH%.
Steen is at 20.5%.
Schwartz is at 17.9%
Stewart is 16.9%
Tarasenko is at 15.7% and even 4th liner Ryan Reaves is at 20%.

Boyd Gordon leads the Oiler at 17.1%, while David Perron is at 13.5%.

The Blues are getting some puck luck, but they also score a lot of goals from in close. The Oilers blueline will be in for a huge challenge, literally and figuratively, tonight.

Look at the size difference between the Blues forwards and the Oilers defence.

 

Blues Forwards    
Chris Stewart    6' 2"  231
Ryan Reaves    6' 1"  224
David Backes "C"   6' 3"  221
Vladimir Tarasenko    6' 0"  219
Patrik Berglund    6' 3"  217
Maxim Lapierre    6' 2"  215
Adam Cracknell    6' 2"  210
Magnus Paajarvi    6' 3"  208
Brenden Morrow    6' 0"  205
Vladimir Sobotka    5' 10"  197
Jaden Schwartz    5' 10"  190
T.J. Oshie "A"   5' 11"  189
Derek Roy    5' 9"  184
     
Oilers D    
Nick Schultz    6' 1"  203
Jeff Petry    6' 3"  195
Brad Hunt    5' 9"  188
Martin Marincin    6' 4"  188
Justin Schultz    6' 2"  188
Andrew Ference    5' 11"  187

The Oilers have one D-man over 200 pounds, while the Blues have eight forwards, who will dress tonight, who are 205 pounds or more. That makes a significant difference when you are trying to battle for pucks in the corner or move guys from the front of the net.

LINEUP

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Perron-Gagner-Yakupov
Smyth-Gordon-Hemsky
Gazdic-Arcobello-Jones

Ference-J.Schultz
Marincin-Petry
N.Schultz-Hunt

Bryzgalov

It is clear that Bryzgalov has become the starter. Eakins said they plan to play him a lot leading up to the Olympic break. What does this mean for the Oilers moving forward?

Both Bryzgalov and Dubnyk are UFAs. Will they re-sign one of them, none or both? No chance both are back and how they play in the final 40 games will decide if one of them returns. It is going to be interesting to see how the goalie position unfolds over the next eight months.

Many have said the Oilers should go after Jonas Hiller in the summer. That makes sense, but why would Anaheim let their proven starter leave for free agency? I know they have depth in goal, but none of Fasth, Andersen or Gibson is a proven NHL starter.

If you were the Ducks, would you let Hiller, who turns 32 in February, walk away for nothing and start the season with three unproven goalies? I don't see why you would. I think the Oilers have a better chance of acquiring Fasth than they would Hiller in the summer.

QUICK HITS....

  • Taylor Hall shouldn't fell bad he didn't make the Canadian Olympic team, when you look at some of the other names who didn't make it.  Marty St. Louis has scored the most points, 271, of any Canadian player since the start of the 2010/2011 season and he didn't make the team. Claude Giroux has scored the third most, 255, and he also was snubbed.

    Based on Canada's decision to keep Nash, all Giroux or Hall need to do is light it up at the World Championships for the next few years and they are a lock to make the team. That is the only explanation why Rick Nash is on the squad.
     
  • Canada has a lot of depth. For fun this is who could be on Canada's B team:

    Goalie: Crawford, Fleury, Ward

    Defence: Beauchemin, Boyle, Campbell, Giordano, Letang, Phaneuf, Seabrook, M. Staal.

    Forwards: Couture, Eberle, Giroux, Hall, E.Kane, Ladd, Lucic, M. Richards, Neal, Seguin, Skinner, St. Louis, E. Staal, Thornton.
  • The Blues have won five straight without their leading scorer. Alex Steen hasn't played since December 21st. 

TONIGHT....

GAME DAY PREDICTION: Oilers keep it respectable, but lose 4-2.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Hall continues his hot streak with another two points. He had 13 points in 9 games entering tonight.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: In their last meeting David Backes challenged every Oiler and none of them did anything about it. Tonight the Oilers will at least show some push back. Ference engages with Backes to show the kids you can't let teams intimidate you even if they are bigger and stronger. Sadly, very few of his teammates will follow his lead.

RECENTLY BY JASON GREGOR 

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#1 gm_armchair
January 07 2014, 01:07PM
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I see the Oilers win tonight..gonna go with 6-4, Hatty from Yakupov and another 2 goal game for Eberle.

Side note - Why can't countries ice more than one hockey team for the Olympics? Your allowed to do it with any other sports there so why not with Hockey? Canada could probably ice 3 very legit teams, go for Gold, Silver, and Bronze.

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#2 Rick Stroppel
January 07 2014, 02:09PM
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GOALIE SITUATION

Dubnyk is a very nice young man and a "gamer", but I see him as a "tweener". He is not quite good enough to be your starter, too good to be a back-up. Somebody on a phone-in show said he should be a greeter at Walmart. "Capgeek" says he made nine million dollars playing hockey in the NHL the last five years. At that salary, I wish I was a greeter at Walmart.

The Oilers are desperately hoping that Bryzgalov will play well, mostly because they would like to use him as a chip in a trade. I predict that by the end of the year his numbers will be the same or worse than Dubnyk's. And Bryzgalov has a BIG TIME attitude problem. Don't say he's "fiery". This throwing the stick and throwing the arms in the air is strictly pee-wee hockey stuff.

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#3 pkam
January 07 2014, 05:03PM
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Sisyphus wrote:

This may be totally off-base, but I don't think its too far off. I truly think the reason so many Oilers fans are having absolute fits, and are demanding, screaming, begging for trades, moves, DO SOMETHING NOW, is that they don't have any patience left. It's been a long road, and their patience is gone--no more "wait, hold on, patience fans" for them.

And what makes that the case? The fact that they were sold a bill of goods, that with 3 #1 picks, with this huge injection of fantastic youthful players, that we would be in the hunt for the Cup before you know it. However, the years keep passing, and the Oilers are no closer to the Cup than they were when they started picking those #1's.

Who is to really say that even if the Oilers faithful reach deep, and find that patience to hold out for another 2-4 years, until the youthful fantastic D starts to arrive, that the Oilers won't STILL be terrible? Given how things have gone with the great picks/young studs so far, I dont think its too far out of line to question whether it wont be more of the same in 4 years "Just hold on, wait for Player X and Y to arrive, and then we'll really be something"

Enough is enough. The Oilers need to start winning, and ASAP. No more finishing in the basement. Frankly, I'd consider finishing in any less than the top half of the league next year an indictment on the current plan of patience & hope.

I am one of those odd fans.

I look at the Pens rebuild. Didn't they draft MAF in 2002-2003, and after drafting 4 top 2 picks 4 years in a row, they still finished 2nd last and drafted Jordan Staal?

And if you look at Chicago, when they drafted Cam Barker 3rd overall in 2004, they already drafted Keith (2002) and Seabrook (2003). Then they made their 1st playoff in 2009, 7 years after they drafted Keith, or 5 years after they drafted Barker.

We are in the 4th year of the rebuild and we didn't have our own farm team to develop our young players before 2010. So what makes you think we can rebuild faster than the Pens and Hawks?

You can complain about the 4 years of no playoff before 2010, unfortunately it will not speed up the rebuild. If we can't make the playoff in 2015-16, then I will consider this rebuild a failure.

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#4 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 07 2014, 01:05PM
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GDP: big and skilled beats small and skilled. Blues Win! FIST

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#5 Zarny
January 07 2014, 10:09PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Sorry there Zippy

Statistically worse, in almost every advance category, better for you.

Unless being one of the worst teams in the NHL since his draft year is ok with you? It might be, but how long do you think Hall shares your perspective?

They ARE worse the Halls draft year Clown!! Just because the players are different? The team is still full of filler or equally bad players.

Spare me your drivel dumba$$.

In 2009-10 the Oilers were 30th. Dead last by 12 pts. They might not be much better this year but they'll be better.

And what you seem too stupid to figure out is that the team is not still full of filler and equally bad players. It's only half full.

The other half includes a 21 y/o whose more than a pt/gm franchise player. The only real disconnect this year was clowns like you thinking kids with less than 200 games experience were going to carry half a team's worth of sh*t.

If you actually think that 2009-10 team starring pancakes and Jeff Deslauriers is a better team than these Oilers you should give up and quit watching hockey.

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#6 stg
January 07 2014, 02:33PM
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easy oilers win

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#7 dv.asteroid
January 07 2014, 03:47PM
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Okay....eff this!!! Oil win. There's no reason our team can't.wi 11 of 12...then do it again. ..and again. We've had enough losing to last a decade. Come on men (oilers) fight!!! Eff them....get mad!! Would be so sweet to crush Olympic blues...5-1 oil.

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#8 Mac962
January 07 2014, 04:16PM
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Trading now in the grand scheme of things, does not matter, no other team is desperate yet. They will be. Playoffs are out of the question for us so don't give anything away. Just hope that the pieces we will probably move don't toss the last half of the season away. I hate to say it, but Mact is doing the right thing and waiting. Ever Crosby and Weber would not turn this season around now. Trades are a must, but right now makes no sense from an organizational perspective. Just us fans want to see change and change now. We have to be Patient. If there is any left. I know i am like all of you. Sick of it. But tossing Bucky and Smith can not hurt, they will be gone next year anyway. Or they better be.

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#9 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 07 2014, 01:27PM
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Hall definitly shouldnt feel bad about not making the Olympic team. Eakins, Mact, and lowe maybe should but not Hall. Way to give a talented player support guys.

6 rings and counting....

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#10 pkam
January 07 2014, 05:06PM
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Mac962 wrote:

Speaking of Katz ... is there a more uninvolved Owner in professional sports ? When was the last time he spoke ? Asking his wife what he is worth now does not count. Some Edmontonian [ Former ] you are Katz. We were better off with the 467 owners we had before. At least they cared.

Time for a BLOG strictly on our crap owner. The bottom line is he makes the final call on all things Oilers right ?? oh - wait , i forgot that why he has The Master Mind - The legend in his own Mind, the one, the only Kevin " 6 RINGS" Lowe.

Wonder how it feels walking around town Lowe knowing what pretty much everyone is thinking about you when they look at you. I'll tell you incase you didnt know. We wish you were a Calgarian.

Please tell me how many owners of the 30 NHL teams speak about their teams in public?

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#11 hallsyoilerforever5
January 07 2014, 01:05PM
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Don't see us winning against this strong team. May the hockey gods be on our side! ( I hope)

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#12 TayLordBalls
January 07 2014, 01:33PM
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Let's Go Oilers!

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#13 Anton
January 07 2014, 08:04PM
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bwar wrote:

Every time I watch the Blues play I get a little bit closer to becoming a Blues fan. They have an unbelievable group of forwards and one of the best defensive groups in the game. They have hard working veterans mixed with youth that is talented and buying into the team. In my eyes I see them as a team built to win a Stanley Cup.

Blues will not win the Stanley Cup simply that if they have to play the same team more than twice at short stretch that other teams will figure them out.

Blues is a team full of overachievers but lack of a true leadership to take over the game when everything is on the line. Which is why they lost last year to Kings even when they had 2-0 game lead.

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#14 Hauk15
January 07 2014, 09:12PM
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Everyone always says Oilers need new defense core, but I rarely see people discuss how bad our bottom six is. Oilers need a new bottom 6 with the exception of Boyd Gordon. Smyth's contract is up, time to retire. Hemsky is a top 6 player. Trade him for a tough player like Wayne Simmonds. Joensuu sucks. Jones is lazy doesn't play nearly as hard as he used to. Arcobello is small weak. We need big tough. Gazdic rarely finishes a check. Oilers need some Cal Clutterbuck or Steve Ott.

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#15 Zarny
January 07 2014, 09:58PM
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Sisyphus wrote:

This may be totally off-base, but I don't think its too far off. I truly think the reason so many Oilers fans are having absolute fits, and are demanding, screaming, begging for trades, moves, DO SOMETHING NOW, is that they don't have any patience left. It's been a long road, and their patience is gone--no more "wait, hold on, patience fans" for them.

And what makes that the case? The fact that they were sold a bill of goods, that with 3 #1 picks, with this huge injection of fantastic youthful players, that we would be in the hunt for the Cup before you know it. However, the years keep passing, and the Oilers are no closer to the Cup than they were when they started picking those #1's.

Who is to really say that even if the Oilers faithful reach deep, and find that patience to hold out for another 2-4 years, until the youthful fantastic D starts to arrive, that the Oilers won't STILL be terrible? Given how things have gone with the great picks/young studs so far, I dont think its too far out of line to question whether it wont be more of the same in 4 years "Just hold on, wait for Player X and Y to arrive, and then we'll really be something"

Enough is enough. The Oilers need to start winning, and ASAP. No more finishing in the basement. Frankly, I'd consider finishing in any less than the top half of the league next year an indictment on the current plan of patience & hope.

Yep you're off-base.

Years keep passing? Good grief. Yakupov just finished playing 82 games. Nuge only has 145 games experience.

Sorry, you have to wait longer than 90-145 games for Yakupov, Schultz and Nuge to "arrive".

Experience takes time; imagine that. What the Oilers need to start doing is build a team beyond 3 draft picks and a handful of players.

You might want to take note that the average age for Team Canada is 28, or 6 years older than Taylor Hall.

Some get all wild and crazy and call that an athlete's prime. Unlike some Oilers fans who seem to think it's 19.5.

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#16 A-Mc
January 07 2014, 01:31PM
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Good luck tonight Boys, you'll need it!

Oilers lose 4-1

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#17 S cottV
January 07 2014, 01:39PM
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Along with our small d men, add in the heights and weights of our d zone supporting centremen, as compared to St Louis forwards.

Easy to see we are not built to compete with the successful teams in the West.

Eakins tries to compensate for the size disparity down low by overly bringing our wingers into that low mix. This gives up too much time and space to the points and all sorts of problems when St Louis moves the puck up top. Oilers get tired with everyone running around their own end and we look like we are killing a penalty at even strength.

Game day prediction - this situation will cost the Oilers one or two GA's tonight.

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#18 northof51
January 07 2014, 02:06PM
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We all know the Oil shouldn't win tonight, but I'm sick of them playing tentative against the top teams, like they're trying to lose by less. They need confidence (false or real) and maybe they'll actually play with the Blues.

I'm going to watch tonight's game expecting the Oilers to win. And then I'm gonna be all kinds of pissed off when they lose, cause we're better than 29th place and a 40 PTS% at home, aren't we?

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#19 pkam
January 07 2014, 02:22PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

4 man bob sled

bodsled is an interesting argument but I wonder if it is considered a team event.

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#20 tileguy
January 07 2014, 04:01PM
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Dubbie did us a favor by playing lousy in a contract year, he is more than adequate as a backup and can fill in as a #1 during injury, should be able to sign him in the 2 2.5 mil mark and go after a true #1 free agent.

GDP, been a while since the oilers experienced an old fashion blow out, 7-0 blues.

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#21 Rama Lama
January 07 2014, 04:12PM
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Eakins has a bunch of thorobred racehorses trying to pull a cart.......for the love of God Eakins..........let the horses run.

We do not have the type of players that can grind, so making them play a defensive system without taking chances, seems plain stupid. If for one believe that the best defense is good offence just like the Oilers of old.

I for one cannot understand why Belov and Potter are not playing, when we are playing a large team like Gregor pointed out?

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#23 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 07 2014, 01:11PM
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Sarcasm Alert. Strange how all the sound defensive teams have not one but three good goalies...all of whom could be starters. The Blues, LA, Anaheim, etc.

The Oilers need to fix their TEAM DEFENSE before any of these other goalies are going to look good in Edmonton! End of story.

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#24 pkam
January 07 2014, 01:15PM
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gm_armchair wrote:

I see the Oilers win tonight..gonna go with 6-4, Hatty from Yakupov and another 2 goal game for Eberle.

Side note - Why can't countries ice more than one hockey team for the Olympics? Your allowed to do it with any other sports there so why not with Hockey? Canada could probably ice 3 very legit teams, go for Gold, Silver, and Bronze.

I see more than one entry allowed for single or double event, but not team event. Can you tell me which team events allow more than one entry per country?

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#25 Mac962
January 07 2014, 03:43PM
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Speaking of Katz ... is there a more uninvolved Owner in professional sports ? When was the last time he spoke ? Asking his wife what he is worth now does not count. Some Edmontonian [ Former ] you are Katz. We were better off with the 467 owners we had before. At least they cared.

Time for a BLOG strictly on our crap owner. The bottom line is he makes the final call on all things Oilers right ?? oh - wait , i forgot that why he has The Master Mind - The legend in his own Mind, the one, the only Kevin " 6 RINGS" Lowe.

Wonder how it feels walking around town Lowe knowing what pretty much everyone is thinking about you when they look at you. I'll tell you incase you didnt know. We wish you were a Calgarian.

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#26 pkam
January 07 2014, 04:26PM
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Mac962 wrote:

Trading now in the grand scheme of things, does not matter, no other team is desperate yet. They will be. Playoffs are out of the question for us so don't give anything away. Just hope that the pieces we will probably move don't toss the last half of the season away. I hate to say it, but Mact is doing the right thing and waiting. Ever Crosby and Weber would not turn this season around now. Trades are a must, but right now makes no sense from an organizational perspective. Just us fans want to see change and change now. We have to be Patient. If there is any left. I know i am like all of you. Sick of it. But tossing Bucky and Smith can not hurt, they will be gone next year anyway. Or they better be.

You will win but you don't get immediate help by selling at trade deadline because what you get from buyers are future prospects or draft picks.

However, we may turn around what we get during the trade deadline to immediate help during the draft and off season.

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#27 Arius Mumin
January 07 2014, 06:06PM
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@Jason Gregor

I have a feeling Tyler Myers will be an Oiler sooner than later.

What do you believe the Oilers could get him for? Would they?

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#28 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 07 2014, 06:22PM
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Oilerz4life wrote:

Speaking of dead yet, what happened to DSF, is he still alive?

Speaking of the one whose name can not be spoken....I'd guess 1) he's exhausted 2) he's posting on another site or, 3) he feels his job here is done....most posts here these days are anti-oiler establishment. I'm not missing him...you?

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#29 RexHolez
January 07 2014, 08:30PM
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Can we bench Hemsky til the Olympics? He deserves better than to risk injury playing for this team.

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#30 Zarny
January 07 2014, 09:15PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

I believe there is some truth in that, just as there is some in what you mention.

However, look at it from there point of view! The individual player is getting better( In this case Hall) it's not really about there character, if you've played your best but your team still sucks there is very little consolation in that.

After four years & your team is actually worse then when you first got drafted there is no doubt that complacency, apathy, & drive will be affected, it's human nature. I'm by no means saying that they will throw there hands up and give up, I'm just saying it's got to be extremely hard not to play for anything but pride.

Except...the Oilers aren't worse than when Hall got drafted. That's actually quite silly to suggest. Indicative of losing all perspective in the midst of a perceived crisis.

The Oilers' top scorer in 2009-10 was Dustin Penner with 63 pts. Gagner and Brule were 2nd and 3rd with 41 and 37 respectively; although to be fair Hemmer had 22 pts in 22 games. Jeff Deslauriers started 48 games. Andrew Cogliano and Robert Nilsson were the other "prospects" on the team.

Step back from the ledge and stare into that abyss. That was ground zero. Soak it in to remember where this party started.

This year was unfortunate. We learned five 20 y/o with less than 200 games experience can't carry the worst blueline in the NHL and bad goal-tending.

Worse than 2009? Get a grip.

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#31 camdog
January 07 2014, 11:15PM
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Best game I have been too all year! The fans were engaged and the players didn't back down. I don't know if this constitutes a moral victory though...

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#32 vetinari
January 07 2014, 01:50PM
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GDP: Unless they are still massively hungover from New Year's, the Blues phone this one in and still win 5-2.

OGDP: One Oiler will stand out over all the others tonight. It's just one. And we won't know who it is until game time.

NSOGDP: For "fun-zies", the entire Blues team decides to try using "trick shots" only. "Okay, I call ricochet deflection bank shot off Jones then Petry then top shelf."

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#33 Oilerz4life
January 07 2014, 01:58PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Sarcasm Alert. Strange how all the sound defensive teams have not one but three good goalies...all of whom could be starters. The Blues, LA, Anaheim, etc.

The Oilers need to fix their TEAM DEFENSE before any of these other goalies are going to look good in Edmonton! End of story.

Our defence is an embarrassment, but nobody wants to come play in Edmonton. No way Weber is ever going to happen and the defence needs a complete overhaul. If by some miracle the Oilers can trade and upgrade the defence then we lose talent upfront and in a few years when our defensive prospects develop we are bottlenecked on D.

No way are Edmonton fans hearing patience any longer and this roster is a mess. I don't see how MacTavish is going to pull off the bold moves to make this team competitive in our conference. You read the trade rumors but honestly, what can the Oilers do at this point to improve the current situation with our roster?

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#34 Disappointed Italian Oiler Fan
January 07 2014, 02:03PM
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Oilers lose 5:1. Hall with the goal.

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#35 **
January 07 2014, 03:22PM
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Add the fact that ST. Louis has 10 guys going to the olympics and you have a group very motivated tonight.

This is going to be a slaugther, probably the worst of the season.

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#36 Eberle4MVP
January 07 2014, 03:56PM
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Until management finally figures out that Grebeshkov, Nick Schultz, etc is not the answer on the back end, and is willing to actually make that "Bold Move" they so desperately talk about, then we will always be lingering in year 4 of this so called "re-build"

Oilers players deserve better

Edmonton deserves better

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#37 Giant
January 07 2014, 04:35PM
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Mac962 wrote:

Speaking of Katz ... is there a more uninvolved Owner in professional sports ? When was the last time he spoke ? Asking his wife what he is worth now does not count. Some Edmontonian [ Former ] you are Katz. We were better off with the 467 owners we had before. At least they cared.

Time for a BLOG strictly on our crap owner. The bottom line is he makes the final call on all things Oilers right ?? oh - wait , i forgot that why he has The Master Mind - The legend in his own Mind, the one, the only Kevin " 6 RINGS" Lowe.

Wonder how it feels walking around town Lowe knowing what pretty much everyone is thinking about you when they look at you. I'll tell you incase you didnt know. We wish you were a Calgarian.

Katz is locked away somewhere in a dark closet. Seriously, every time that guy speaks to the public he says something incredibly stupid and kills his own cause. (Arena deal anyone?)

We're better off if he just stays hidden away, pays the bills, and lets PR do the talking.

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#38 ToppsSmith
January 07 2014, 04:36PM
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Belov is a huge loss on the blue line tonight, but Potter...Ehhh I was never on the Potter Band wagon. I always thought he was over rated. However he is the best we have at the moment, so i'll keep quite on that. What Edmonton needs to find is a guy who can make that first pass out, I'm sick of looking at the D fire the puck blindly up the boards while the other teams D-man knows its coming and blocks the clearing attempt. A guy who can make the first pass out wont fix the team as a whole, but it will start them in the right direction.

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#39 Sisyphus
January 07 2014, 04:49PM
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This may be totally off-base, but I don't think its too far off. I truly think the reason so many Oilers fans are having absolute fits, and are demanding, screaming, begging for trades, moves, DO SOMETHING NOW, is that they don't have any patience left. It's been a long road, and their patience is gone--no more "wait, hold on, patience fans" for them.

And what makes that the case? The fact that they were sold a bill of goods, that with 3 #1 picks, with this huge injection of fantastic youthful players, that we would be in the hunt for the Cup before you know it. However, the years keep passing, and the Oilers are no closer to the Cup than they were when they started picking those #1's.

Who is to really say that even if the Oilers faithful reach deep, and find that patience to hold out for another 2-4 years, until the youthful fantastic D starts to arrive, that the Oilers won't STILL be terrible? Given how things have gone with the great picks/young studs so far, I dont think its too far out of line to question whether it wont be more of the same in 4 years "Just hold on, wait for Player X and Y to arrive, and then we'll really be something"

Enough is enough. The Oilers need to start winning, and ASAP. No more finishing in the basement. Frankly, I'd consider finishing in any less than the top half of the league next year an indictment on the current plan of patience & hope.

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#40 Walter Sobchak
January 07 2014, 05:27PM
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I'm curious to see if there is a drop off in play from Hall or Hemsky?

I know players are pro's, but a part of me felt this was the only thing Hall & Hemsky really had left to play for (Oly team selection).

It's got to be painfull for the guys not to have anything to play for.

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#41 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 07 2014, 05:38PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

I'm curious to see if there is a drop off in play from Hall or Hemsky?

I know players are pro's, but a part of me felt this was the only thing Hall & Hemsky really had left to play for (Oly team selection).

It's got to be painfull for the guys not to have anything to play for.

If what you're saying is true......then there's a character problem.....they should be playing for professional pride.....striving each and every day to get better.....getting better a little each day now is how you position yourself to compete for a playoff spot 15 months from now......anything less and you don't deserve to have your name on Stanley. If they don't absolutely HATE being in the bottom 5 then we're screwed!

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#42 Oilerz4life
January 07 2014, 06:13PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

I think it will take a lot more than that to contend....... And I'm old but the horse is not dead yet, and until it is I plan to continue flogging it.

Speaking of dead yet, what happened to DSF, is he still alive?

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#43 Serious Gord
January 07 2014, 06:36PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

4 man bob sled

But the team races as one entity...

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#44 Serious Gord
January 07 2014, 06:50PM
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GDP st Lou gets ahead early 3-0. Bryz then decides to mail it in 6-1 blues.

Neither dubnyk or Bryz should be signed. Start fresh there should be a few options out there.

Bonus GDP - jerseys will be thrown on the ice. Security will physically throw out the perpetrators and the oil will have a(nother) nasty PR mess on its hands.

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#45 Freewheeling Freddie
January 07 2014, 07:22PM
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Big problem tonight you pummel Backes then Reaves will run roughshod over the rest Sit Gagner bring back Big Mac

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#46 Walter Sobchak
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Zarny wrote:

Except...the Oilers aren't worse than when Hall got drafted. That's actually quite silly to suggest. Indicative of losing all perspective in the midst of a perceived crisis.

The Oilers' top scorer in 2009-10 was Dustin Penner with 63 pts. Gagner and Brule were 2nd and 3rd with 41 and 37 respectively; although to be fair Hemmer had 22 pts in 22 games. Jeff Deslauriers started 48 games. Andrew Cogliano and Robert Nilsson were the other "prospects" on the team.

Step back from the ledge and stare into that abyss. That was ground zero. Soak it in to remember where this party started.

This year was unfortunate. We learned five 20 y/o with less than 200 games experience can't carry the worst blueline in the NHL and bad goal-tending.

Worse than 2009? Get a grip.

Sorry there Zippy

Statistically worse, in almost every advance category, better for you.

Unless being one of the worst teams in the NHL since his draft year is ok with you? It might be, but how long do you think Hall shares your perspective?

They ARE worse the Halls draft year Clown!! Just because the players are different? The team is still full of filler or equally bad players.

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#47 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 07 2014, 01:17PM
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pkam wrote:

I see more than one entry allowed for single or double event, but not team event. Can you tell me which team events allow more than one entry per country?

4 man bob sled

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#48 Chainsawz
January 07 2014, 02:06PM
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Anaheim has Fasth, Andersson, Bobkov, and Gibson all under contract for goaltenders next season.

What kind of term are they willing to give Hiller with that stable of goalies? 3 years, 4 years maybe? Not ideal for a 32 year old goalie.

I think a desperate team like the Oilers could come in with a 5-6 year offer and more money per year than what Anaheim is willing to offer.

If Anaheim wants Hiller back, they have had since July 1st to get something done. It looks to me as if they are prepared to move on from him, possibly trading his negotiating rights prior to free agaency.

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#49 Sisyphus
January 07 2014, 02:24PM
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Chainsawz wrote:

Anaheim has Fasth, Andersson, Bobkov, and Gibson all under contract for goaltenders next season.

What kind of term are they willing to give Hiller with that stable of goalies? 3 years, 4 years maybe? Not ideal for a 32 year old goalie.

I think a desperate team like the Oilers could come in with a 5-6 year offer and more money per year than what Anaheim is willing to offer.

If Anaheim wants Hiller back, they have had since July 1st to get something done. It looks to me as if they are prepared to move on from him, possibly trading his negotiating rights prior to free agaency.

I hate to say, but I still think its quite possible that, especially with players like Hiller (will have more then one suitor), even throwing more $ and term wont be enough to get them to come to the tundra. If I were a Hiller, I'd take a little less money or term, to play for a team with a remote shot in h3ll at competing for a playoff slot in the next couple years.

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#50 They're $hittie
January 07 2014, 02:25PM
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maybe all the st louis players will be drunk from celebrating their Olympic appointments and they chose just to forfeit the game.

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