Sometimes a bad defence just gets exposed

Jonathan Willis
January 07 2014 10:48PM

Edmonton's defence has been bleeding all season, and the St. Louis Blues aren't the kind of team that lets its opponents get away with that kind of weakness. There's a lot that went into the Oilers' 5-2 loss on Tuesday night, but that was a big part of it. 

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  • The scoring chance numbers aren't kind to him, but I think they lie a little about Justin Schultz tonight. Edmonton's top pairing featured two players on the evening, and the veteran couldn't seem to make a pass or win a foot race or for that matter catch a break. Schultz was smart all over the ice - he made a gorgeous pinch on the Arcobello goal, but he was economical in his own end and didn't get carried away looking for points - and the coaches rewarded him with almost 30:00 of ice-time. 
  • Brad Hunt, on the other hand, looked like a guy who should get demoted tonight. He's been a nice story for the Oilers and Barons; an undrafted, pint-sized defender who worked his way into an NHL contract, forced his way up the Oklahoma depth chart (and proved capable on his off-side when roster need pushed him there) and was thus in position to take advantage of an NHL opportunity. He's an enthusiastic guy, a heavy underdog and impossible to dislike. He also isn't as good as Taylor Fedun is today (again it's worth mentioning that Hunt is on his off-side, while Fedun would not be) and now that Fedun's healthy the Oilers ought to swap the two.
  • Martin Marincin got exposed a little, particularly by Chris Stewart on the penalty kill in the leadup to Stewart's goal, but he also showed some creativity offensively and there's a lot to like there. On a real NHL team he wouldn't be in the majors, but it's nice to see he's not as far away as we might have thought. 
  • Nail Yakupov might have been the Oilers' best forward. He's looked like a different player since his latest scratch, a much better, more committed player all over the ice. It's too early to say he's turned a corner, but his play of late is fantastic news for a team that could use it. 
  • For a guy with no footspeed, it's amazing how much havoc Ryan Smyth can create on the forecheck. 
  • Twice Jeff Petry, who has an undeserved reputation for not hitting, laid the body in the defensive zone and caused St. Louis turnovers. It was nice to see.
  • Jordan Eberle had an awful first shift, but he certainly recovered nicely as the game went on. That steal off David Backes in the Blues' zone is something very, very few players can do.
  • The Oilers didn't quit when the going got tough, but they did get thoroughly outplayed by a better team. There's not much to say about that; St. Louis is arguably the best team in the NHL today and the Oilers aren't clearly better than anybody. It's the kind of loss that just reinforces how far the team has to go.

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#1 Impartial Oilers Fan
January 08 2014, 12:02AM
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Kr55 wrote:

Major Kudos to people with Fire Lowe signs tonight! Tier 1 fans finally sick of the terrible product created under Lowe's leadership!

Hope "Lowe Must Go!" chants are next and can be heard on TV during the games!

If you can provide specific examples of how Kevin Lowes decisions, since he has been President of Hockey Operations have negatively effected the success and results of the on ice product, then I will accept your premise that Lowe is a sole causal link to the Oilers abysmal record

If you can't answer that, but obvious are just hell bent on having a scapegoat for this disaster of a season AND you are a fan that doesn't ever actually put any accountability on the players and their performance, THEN by all means, go ahead and take signs to the game. It will make it much easier to identify who the idiot, over reactionary fan are. It'll be the Oilers fan version of Jeff Foxworthy's "Here's Your Sign". So go ahead, run to Walmart and get your construction paper, markers and glitter. I'm sure those signs are going to have a big impact.

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#2 Impartial Oilers Fan
January 07 2014, 11:51PM
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If this was Yakupov's best game in a while, then it was indicative of 3 things:

1) How far he has actually fallen in terms of his potential and actual gameplay. If that is being graded as a really good game for the great YakCity, then we must have been close to the basement of his value.

2) How he is judged differently than other players. If that goal was scored on an Oiler goalie, there instantly would have been a twitter reaction saying that was another soft goal allowed by Dubnyk. That wasn't a highly skilled goal at all. Be honest.

3) How incredibly insecure certain Oilers fans can be of Yakupov criticism. Are we that scared that he will jump to the KHL that (obvious) fans and bloggers go out of their way to blindly defend him and and mercilessly pump his tires. It doesn't matter if he screws up and turns over the puck, then it wasn't his fault but the defenceman who passed him the puck. It doesn't matter if he gets lucky while scoring a goal, it will get praised with a #YakCity, and proclaimed to be yet again a display of him turning the corner...yet again.

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#3 Bryzarro World
January 07 2014, 11:23PM
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Nice fluff piece....

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#4 john
January 08 2014, 12:35AM
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Harry wrote:

The president is the guy who runs the entire organization. If hes a bumbling idiot do you really think the rest of the team has a snowballs chance? John Davidson came into St Louis and completely.changes that franchise. Sakic is doing the same in Colorado. And now Davidson is in Columbus watch theyve already started to turn the corner.

Pull your head out from between your cheeks

When Lowe was GM, Oilers was 1 win from winning the Cup. They had bad scouting staffs so they had bad drafts for a long time. If Lowe is an idiot why is he the president and you are not? Hockey Canada has Lowe in charge too along with Yzerman, so you are saying those people are stupid too?

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#5 DT
January 08 2014, 10:07AM
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@Rod from Viking

Give me a break. Now you're going to blame him for who he didn't trade for? You're going to blame him for things that didn't happen? Brodziak was on pace for slightly more than 20 points last year, and is on pace for the same total this year. Lowe traded a franchise player? If that's all you can drum up, keep whining.

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#6 JT
January 08 2014, 06:42AM
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Is it Mike or Brad Hunt? I can't remember so I'm going to assume it's Mike.. Mike Hunt got pounded and embarrassed tonight. Mike Hunt left gaping holes which allowed guys like Backes able to turn the puck over. I'm so disappointed in Mike Hunt as I was expecting much more out of Mike Hunt after the last showing. With the hits and bumps Mike Hunt took, I hope that Mike Hunt is swollen and bruised enough to have learned a lesson. Mike Hunt is too small and will never be able to compete until Mike Hunt becomes more aggressive. Work harder Mike Hunt!

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#7 NJ
January 08 2014, 02:11AM
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Whatever.

Public burning of jerseys should ensue until Lowe goes. Until he does that one word is indicative of my feelings about "my team". I'm waiting for the day someone throws a burning bag of feces on the ice. Now THAT would be a Statement.

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#8 john
January 08 2014, 12:12AM
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Get over it, Lowe is the president, he will not lose his job. GM make trades, draft picks to make up the team. Coaches to teach the players play the game. Players to perform and get the wins. Eakins is all talk, the team is worst in goals against, how can it get worst from previous years? The Blues were bad before, Hitchcock got them into a better team. The Avs were bad last year, Roy (can't stand the guy) got them play better this year. Good coaches make the team better with what he has. If 20 players play harder than the other teams each game, they will win games. Top Dman can't win you the Cup, did Weber win the Preds a Cup? Put a really good goalie on a bad defensive team, he can't win games either. Last 10 years only 1 team won the Cup twice, Blackhawks, it's a team game win as a group not as individuals.

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#9 john
January 08 2014, 01:11AM
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There are 30 teams, 16 make playoffs, 15 teams will not win the Cup. 14 teams miss playoffs, so these teams keep firing coaches and GMs. This is business, like 30 fast food franchises, some provide bad foods and bad services but people still go there to eat. As sports fans we want a winning team, just to make playoffs we are happy. But making playoffs each year and not winning the Cup, we still not happy. It's hard to win it all, the Penguins has the best player but he can't win it all each year for the team. It's hard being a fan, winning is everything. Look at the Leafs, biggest market still no Cup since 1967. But look at the Jays, when they won it all in 92 and 93. Then they start losing, nobody comes to the game any more. So if some how the Oilers win a Cup next few years, then they start losing, nobody will come to the games any more. That's just business, when teams try to win it all, fans has hope they come to the games. We are just suckers to sports teams, it's a form of entertainment that make us happy when they win, when they lose we get mad.

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#10 DT
January 08 2014, 09:36AM
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@Harry

If you're going to criticise, be impartial. What about the consistency before the coaching changes? MacT was here since Lowe was the head coach. He lost the ear of the players and had to leave. Lowe's fault? Further coaching changes were under Tambellini's watch. I'm sure K-Lowe had some input, but Steve was running the show. I don't believe he was a puppet or a figure head. He had been assistant GM in Vancouver and in the Olympic Team management team. Why would he come here if he wouldn't be allowed to make his own decisions? Sheldon Souray proved the Oilers wrong with solid bounce back seasons in Dallas and Anaheim. He had a conflict with Pat Quinn and Tambellini. Is that Lowe's fault? Most GMs in the league have a Horcoff contract on their resume (Redden, etc). Lowe hasn't been perfect, but how much day to day management of the roster do you think he does? He's the president, not coach or GM. Man, this town loves scapegoats. Think of the players that were traded after the fanbase turned on them. Then, we have the audacity to boo them when they return. I can understand the frustration after so many years of crap, but be reasonable. I thought we were supposed to be a knowledgeable fan base.

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#11 BPP
January 08 2014, 09:37AM
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rickithebear wrote:

Chicago: 1998 to 2007 10 years of draft affect

Versteeg, Ladd, Sharp, Kieth,Burish,Seabrook, Crawford, Byfuglien, Bolland, Bickell, Brouwer, Hjarlmasson, Toews, Kane 14 players

Edmonton: 1998 to 2007 Hemsky, Dubnyk,Petry, Gagner

2008 to 2013 5 year of draft affect Eberle, MP(perron6' 200lb),Lander, Hall 6'1" 200lb, Marincin, RNH, Yakupov 7 players

Viable prospects: Pitlick 6'2" 190, Hamilton 6'2" 210, Klefbom 6'3" 215, Gernat 6'3" 200, Moroz 6'3'215lb, Khaira 6'3" 215, McCarron 6'3" 225, Nurse 6'4" 195, Yakimov 6'4" 220lb, Slepyshev 6'2" 195, Chase 6'0" 205 11 guys who will see NHL over next 4 years.

St. Loius has 7 guys 215LB+ all but 1 are 26-they have 5 Fwds 205lb or less.

Our prospect list is a colection of effective forwards rolling in the next 3 years.

The Oil could get Forward McLaren and Dman Fraser from the Leafs for Gagner easily right now! Both very tough guys who can play a little bit. Do it before the Flames do.

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#12 Harry
January 08 2014, 12:16AM
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Impartial Oilers Fan wrote:

If you can provide specific examples of how Kevin Lowes decisions, since he has been President of Hockey Operations have negatively effected the success and results of the on ice product, then I will accept your premise that Lowe is a sole causal link to the Oilers abysmal record

If you can't answer that, but obvious are just hell bent on having a scapegoat for this disaster of a season AND you are a fan that doesn't ever actually put any accountability on the players and their performance, THEN by all means, go ahead and take signs to the game. It will make it much easier to identify who the idiot, over reactionary fan are. It'll be the Oilers fan version of Jeff Foxworthy's "Here's Your Sign". So go ahead, run to Walmart and get your construction paper, markers and glitter. I'm sure those signs are going to have a big impact.

You cant be serious. Have you been living under a rock for the past 8 years? There are countless reasons and I know theyll all come out in this comment section so ill start with a couple. 1 Grosly over evaluates Horcoff and gives him a massive contract

2 Hires a rookie GM to head up year 4 of a rebuild who inturn hires a rookie coach to teach rookie players

3 Publicly insults Oiler fans everywhere diring his arrogant assinine press conference during the MacT hiring

4 Sheldon Souray

5 5 coaches 6 years

ok now someone else take ball and run with it

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#13 Ryan2
January 07 2014, 11:56PM
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Players like Hunt will always be given a chance as long as MacT is the GM. Go back to his days as the head coach with his MacFavorites - he always has time for the underdog that has to work his way up. Unfortunately for the Oilers, those players do not = winning.

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#14 Kr55
January 07 2014, 10:52PM
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Major Kudos to people with Fire Lowe signs tonight! Tier 1 fans finally sick of the terrible product created under Lowe's leadership!

Hope "Lowe Must Go!" chants are next and can be heard on TV during the games!

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#15 hallsyoilerforever5
January 07 2014, 10:58PM
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Bye Brad Hunt. Lowe must go signs = highlight of the night.

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#16 hallsyoilerforever5
January 07 2014, 10:58PM
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Bye Brad Hunt. Lowe must go signs = highlight of the night.

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#17 Rob from Edmonton
January 08 2014, 10:19AM
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I did enjoy the game last night. It was definitely better. Some bad errors, but over all better work effort overall.

One thing I am starting to wonder is are there too many teams currently playing within the NHL. Ie 30 teams with 23 players . Is there really 690 players who have the skill, work ethics and game intelligence to legitimately play hockey at the highest level? Is the real reason there are thirty teams in the NHL is to increase the number of games played a season thereby increasing potential revenue? Would we see more consistency if there were only 20 teams in the league instead of 30?

In all North American sports there is no system of relegation and promotion. There is currently no level between Major Junior and the NHL (Major Professional). Team with poor performance are rewarded with higher draft picks. With current player salary levels a one division lower league would likely not be profitable for those teams which would be relegated down to a lower division.

Is the current system destroying some players before they have the chance to properly develop to their full potential by rushing them too soon into NHL and expecting too much from them?

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#18 peppran
January 07 2014, 11:47PM
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Rebuild is right on track! Impatient MacTavish likes bold moves, wont mortgage the future and Klowe knows about winning...etc,etc,etc

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#19 Kr55
January 08 2014, 12:19AM
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Impartial Oilers Fan wrote:

If you can provide specific examples of how Kevin Lowes decisions, since he has been President of Hockey Operations have negatively effected the success and results of the on ice product, then I will accept your premise that Lowe is a sole causal link to the Oilers abysmal record

If you can't answer that, but obvious are just hell bent on having a scapegoat for this disaster of a season AND you are a fan that doesn't ever actually put any accountability on the players and their performance, THEN by all means, go ahead and take signs to the game. It will make it much easier to identify who the idiot, over reactionary fan are. It'll be the Oilers fan version of Jeff Foxworthy's "Here's Your Sign". So go ahead, run to Walmart and get your construction paper, markers and glitter. I'm sure those signs are going to have a big impact.

He said deciding to try to win was a bad plan and decided losing on purpose was better. He also hired his buddy Tambo who was a terrible GM and let him dismantle the last semi-respectable pieces of this team to drive it completely into the gutter.

How can he be passed over from any blame when he has been at the top of the totem pole in the Oilers organization throughout all of these 8 years of missing the playoffs?

Oh, and I don't think for a second he's the only issue. Look at the coaching staff, how has Buchy survived 4 HC changes as an assistant? That is a record. What good is Smith if Eakins told us our players never learned basic defense and that's the reason his "swarm" gameplan failed? The amount of unqualified under-performing people in the oilers management and coaching staff goes far beyond Lowe. The issue is, Lowe is the glue that keeps it all together and keeps this team terrible.

How about you tell me something. What team has been this consistently terrible and ever got out of the hole without firing the guy at the top of the leadership ladder?

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#20 brad
January 08 2014, 04:36AM
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@Impartial Oilers Fan

Dear Ms. Lowe,

Please don't take what is said about your son so personal.

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#21 Harry
January 08 2014, 12:22AM
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john wrote:

Get over it, Lowe is the president, he will not lose his job. GM make trades, draft picks to make up the team. Coaches to teach the players play the game. Players to perform and get the wins. Eakins is all talk, the team is worst in goals against, how can it get worst from previous years? The Blues were bad before, Hitchcock got them into a better team. The Avs were bad last year, Roy (can't stand the guy) got them play better this year. Good coaches make the team better with what he has. If 20 players play harder than the other teams each game, they will win games. Top Dman can't win you the Cup, did Weber win the Preds a Cup? Put a really good goalie on a bad defensive team, he can't win games either. Last 10 years only 1 team won the Cup twice, Blackhawks, it's a team game win as a group not as individuals.

The president is the guy who runs the entire organization. If hes a bumbling idiot do you really think the rest of the team has a snowballs chance? John Davidson came into St Louis and completely.changes that franchise. Sakic is doing the same in Colorado. And now Davidson is in Columbus watch theyve already started to turn the corner.

Pull your head out from between your cheeks

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#22 Kr55
January 08 2014, 01:06AM
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Harry wrote:

Your right when he was GM they were one win away. The comment above stated what has he done as PRESIDENT to warrant such a negative response. And the many many reasons are well documented.

Not to mention the fact that was in 2006 and we are now in 2014.

I was still in school in 2006. Now I've been working at a company for 7 years. Lowe bragging about that run is almost as bad as his bragging about being lucky enough to play with Gretzky and Messier to win his cups. Plus the 2006 win was a fluke. We were gifted Pronger. That was orobably the last time such an elite #1 dman was traded and we still barely made the playoffs. The bottom 4 seeds beat the top 4 seeds in the west by some miracle (Legace crapped the bed against us) and we only needed to play teams as green as ours at playoff hockey to get to the finals. The core of that team also had a lot of Sather pieces in it. If you're waiting for Lowe to reproduce a miracle run like that again, chances are Lowe will run out of years to try before he kicks the bucket.

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#23 john
January 08 2014, 01:20AM
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It's hard I was in Edmonton for the 5 Cups, then I moved to Ontario, I m still an Oilers fan. I have been on the bandwagon, fall of it, climb back on, jump off it and then running along it. When they lose, I get mad like everyone else too. One day, keep hoping like in 2006, we almost won it all again.

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#24 DT
January 08 2014, 10:10AM
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@Rod from Viking

Also, Tambellini traded Brodziak. Plus, the summer they let Glencross go, was Tambellini's first summer here. Whose decision was it?

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#25 Dangilitis
January 08 2014, 12:04AM
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Huberdeau 41 GP 7 G 10 A (GP 89, Pts 48, -17) Yakupov 43 GP 9 G 8 A (GP 90, Pts 47, -29)

One player is on his way out of town (or at least has been hypothetically traded so many times that it feels this way) from the team that drafted him before he hits his 21st birthday, while the other player is considered a franchise forward and an immovable piece.

The difference? 8 years of losing breeds hysteria.

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#26 camdog
January 08 2014, 01:09AM
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If you take out the first 4 games of the season when DD sucked then he and Breeze have a near equal save percentage. That said DD's win percentage is superior. Don't know what it means, but the Oilers are't winning with the change in net.

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#27 Chet134
January 08 2014, 06:35AM
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Dont worry yakupov will get blamed for all the mistakes. Even when the kid plays well he doesnt get rewarded. It will be a huge mistake trading yak.

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#28 Oiler Al
January 08 2014, 06:55AM
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Didnt expect anything different , did we ? What you see is what you get. This group can play together for the next 4 years, and would still play the same way.

Team gets out played badly, and players get grades of 5 6 7. Bit of a joke. Even a bigger joke is Gadzic gets a 5.... for what? He is not doing what he is paid to do.... Reaves running around hitting guys, the other night same with Cote doing the same... and Mr Gadzic scores a goal, and thinks he is the second coming of Bobby Hull. He is more like the second coming of Hordichuk.

If he cant make some small difference to the game, why is he on the ice.

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#29 Freewheeling Freddie
January 08 2014, 07:55AM
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Kevin Lowe was a good hockey player who played a big role in the Oilers five cups. However as a manager and now president he has failed miserably. Players don't always make good management material. Friends and business do not always seem to be good partners you listening Daryl .Sorry Kevin you will never build a team like your mentor Slats. The scouting staff is horrendous, Maggie the monkey could have made the three first overalls. It is rounds 2 to 7 where you build championship teams. I will never give up on this team, however I don't want be a fan of a team who has the longest playfoff in the NHL. That would be truly sad

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#30 The Real Scuba Steve
January 08 2014, 08:18AM
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Impartial Oilers Fan wrote:

If this was Yakupov's best game in a while, then it was indicative of 3 things:

1) How far he has actually fallen in terms of his potential and actual gameplay. If that is being graded as a really good game for the great YakCity, then we must have been close to the basement of his value.

2) How he is judged differently than other players. If that goal was scored on an Oiler goalie, there instantly would have been a twitter reaction saying that was another soft goal allowed by Dubnyk. That wasn't a highly skilled goal at all. Be honest.

3) How incredibly insecure certain Oilers fans can be of Yakupov criticism. Are we that scared that he will jump to the KHL that (obvious) fans and bloggers go out of their way to blindly defend him and and mercilessly pump his tires. It doesn't matter if he screws up and turns over the puck, then it wasn't his fault but the defenceman who passed him the puck. It doesn't matter if he gets lucky while scoring a goal, it will get praised with a #YakCity, and proclaimed to be yet again a display of him turning the corner...yet again.

Sounds like you just want attention, or your really Kevin Lowe.

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#31 Tikkanese
January 08 2014, 11:50AM
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Ryan Smyth gets a lot of undeserved hatred.

I don't know what it is exactly. Some seem bitter still about when his agent and Lowe battled over $100,000 per year on that contract and Lowe played hardball and traded him. $100,000 per year. Are you really taking Lowe's side on that? Kevin Lowe's side?!? He traded the one player that no Oiler fan would have been upset about being overpaid over a measly $100,000. Unbelievable. Others seem to think he still makes $5 million per season, I saw a post saying that the other day. He's making only 2.25 million. That's hardly an issue.

He is arguably the greatest of all time in front of the net. He still is fantastic at that. He does a lot of great veteran type plays that don't show up in the stats like picks and getting under the opponents skin, that you wouldn't notice unless you watch the games in person in the lower bowl. Sure his foot speed isn't the best, but it never was. It doesn't need to be either, that has never been his game. If your a true Oiler fan you should be celebrating the possible last season of the player who has arguably bled more copper and blue than anyone else.

Captain Canada will make the IIHF Hall of Fame some day as well. Before you thumbs down just for that, maybe look up his international record and what the IIHF is. But no, let's hate on him because we'd rather see even more rookies in this lineup that desperately needs more veterans. Ryan Smyth is hardly a problem on this team.

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#32 Blucifer Copperballs
January 08 2014, 01:13PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Lowe doesn't hire the coaches, that is the GM's job.

Horcoff was not grossly overpaid when the contract was signed, based on his numbers and what other players of his equivalent were garnering at the time.

Keep in mind Edmonton has always had to pay more for less as no one wants to come here/play here.

Horcoff failed to live up to the expectations of the contract partly due to the supporting cast jumping ship shortly thereafter

Bad contract in todays market, absolutely! But the contract at the time and Horcoffs failure to live up to said contract are two very different things.

On Souray and Lowes assinine insults to Oiler fans everywhere, I couldn't agree more.

I believe that Mac T is the right guy to turn this s&%t show around, but you cannot turn over 60% of a roster in one season.

Stop making sense. This is not the place for that. If you took the time and consideration to read ALL of the comments here, you would know that already.

TRADE KLOWE FOR FEASTER!!!

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#33 Harry
January 08 2014, 12:31AM
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Impartial Oilers Fan wrote:

If you can provide specific examples of how Kevin Lowes decisions, since he has been President of Hockey Operations have negatively effected the success and results of the on ice product, then I will accept your premise that Lowe is a sole causal link to the Oilers abysmal record

If you can't answer that, but obvious are just hell bent on having a scapegoat for this disaster of a season AND you are a fan that doesn't ever actually put any accountability on the players and their performance, THEN by all means, go ahead and take signs to the game. It will make it much easier to identify who the idiot, over reactionary fan are. It'll be the Oilers fan version of Jeff Foxworthy's "Here's Your Sign". So go ahead, run to Walmart and get your construction paper, markers and glitter. I'm sure those signs are going to have a big impact.

#6 Hires Steve Tambellini, another rookie GM to head up a massive personnel over haul of our on ice product. Quite possibly the worst gm ever. Right up there with Milbury.

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#34 Kr55
January 08 2014, 12:44AM
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john wrote:

When Lowe was GM, Oilers was 1 win from winning the Cup. They had bad scouting staffs so they had bad drafts for a long time. If Lowe is an idiot why is he the president and you are not? Hockey Canada has Lowe in charge too along with Yzerman, so you are saying those people are stupid too?

I did wonder why he was still with Hockey Canada, until I saw Katz in CBC's making of the team video and how he is a large contributor. Katz is keeping his buddy on board. Lowe's credibility is not near what it use to be. Remember when he was able to get Brewer on the Olympic team when Brewer had no business there? Now Lowe can't even get Hall on it as one of the top point producing Canadians over the last years.

In any case, the reason Lowe is still around is the same reason lots of people that are horrible at their jobs keep them, his relationship with the owner. However, lots of fans are now hoping the evidence of how terrible he is at his job is have become far too obvious for Katz to look the other way anymore.

This team is going towards being one of the all time worst. We are only a few years away from breaking Florida's 10 year playoff drought record. Honestly, do you see this garbage team Lowe lead the organization in creating making the playoffs in the next 3 years? With the long list of powerhouse teams and other teams that are way ahead of us in their rebuilds starting to emerge?

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#35 OilDieHard
January 08 2014, 08:13AM
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oilabroad wrote:

I am not one of the guys calling for Kevin Lowes head but when an organization flounders like this for so long, and there is turnover all throughout the org with little to no change in results, eventually you need to cut the head off the snake. You may not be able to point to any one move and say that is Lowes fault, but you have to assume his fingerprints are on EVERY move they made, its just the way the shat flows...

it may also be time to move one or two of our top 6 instead of always moving coaches or GM's.

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#37 EHH Team
January 08 2014, 12:12PM
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DT wrote:

If you're going to criticise, be impartial. What about the consistency before the coaching changes? MacT was here since Lowe was the head coach. He lost the ear of the players and had to leave. Lowe's fault? Further coaching changes were under Tambellini's watch. I'm sure K-Lowe had some input, but Steve was running the show. I don't believe he was a puppet or a figure head. He had been assistant GM in Vancouver and in the Olympic Team management team. Why would he come here if he wouldn't be allowed to make his own decisions? Sheldon Souray proved the Oilers wrong with solid bounce back seasons in Dallas and Anaheim. He had a conflict with Pat Quinn and Tambellini. Is that Lowe's fault? Most GMs in the league have a Horcoff contract on their resume (Redden, etc). Lowe hasn't been perfect, but how much day to day management of the roster do you think he does? He's the president, not coach or GM. Man, this town loves scapegoats. Think of the players that were traded after the fanbase turned on them. Then, we have the audacity to boo them when they return. I can understand the frustration after so many years of crap, but be reasonable. I thought we were supposed to be a knowledgeable fan base.

I agree.

The hatred on this site has become unbearable.

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#38 2004Z06
January 08 2014, 12:35PM
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@Harry

Lowe doesn't hire the coaches, that is the GM's job.

Horcoff was not grossly overpaid when the contract was signed, based on his numbers and what other players of his equivalent were garnering at the time.

Keep in mind Edmonton has always had to pay more for less as no one wants to come here/play here.

Horcoff failed to live up to the expectations of the contract partly due to the supporting cast jumping ship shortly thereafter

Bad contract in todays market, absolutely! But the contract at the time and Horcoffs failure to live up to said contract are two very different things.

On Souray and Lowes assinine insults to Oiler fans everywhere, I couldn't agree more.

I believe that Mac T is the right guy to turn this s&%t show around, but you cannot turn over 60% of a roster in one season.

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#39 Sailge
January 07 2014, 11:24PM
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Ken Hitchcock post game: "We didn't play well. We didn't play well."

My goodness Oil are bad and we have a looooong way to go.

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#40 Serious Gord
January 08 2014, 07:45AM
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Since the the new era in the nhl started - 2005-06 - when a salary cap and other changes brought on-ice franchise parity - the holy grail for several smaller market franchises of which EDM was one of the most vocal in demanding change, the oilers have THE worst regular season record in the entire league.

And no one has missed the playoffs for as long a period of time.

That is by any sane observer a collosal record of failure.

In the business world - and nhl hockey is definitely a business - the leadership that was present for such serial and complete failure would have been terminated long before now.

Instead, with the oilers now halfway through their worst season in franchise history, the POHO has not made a public appearance since the summer, and the GM is likewise avoiding unregulated pressers and the incompetent, failing coach remains in place apparently only because the team has hired too many coaching failures in the past to fire one more so soon.

And yet there are still fans who support these clowns.

Amazing.

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#41 Serious Gord
January 08 2014, 08:17AM
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OilDieHard wrote:

it may also be time to move one or two of our top 6 instead of always moving coaches or GM's.

Let's have someone else make those moves.

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#42 David S
January 08 2014, 08:38AM
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Bryzarro World wrote:

Nice fluff piece....

Nice fluff comment...

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#43 smiliegirl15
January 08 2014, 09:42AM
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I was at the game last night. Although they played pretty good for the second period, there were a lot of times when they looked like they were watching the game instead of playing. Eberle made quite a few really good plays. Ryan Smyth did everything he could. He was great to watch. Gagner was atrocious.

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#44 He Who Knows
January 08 2014, 10:09AM
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More empty seats and Lowe must go signs. I'm pretty sure Lowe and his Mrs. order in under an alias. Otherwise they would get the "house" special.

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#45 Rod from Viking
January 08 2014, 10:25AM
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DT wrote:

Give me a break. Now you're going to blame him for who he didn't trade for? You're going to blame him for things that didn't happen? Brodziak was on pace for slightly more than 20 points last year, and is on pace for the same total this year. Lowe traded a franchise player? If that's all you can drum up, keep whining.

The trade for Perry straight up was a done deal and then Lowe let his temper get the best of him and told Comrie he would have to pay back part of his salary to get it done and that is a fact, is Pouliot in the NHL? All of the things I listed were heavily criticized at the time and is not in hindsite. By the way I don't whine and can't stand tough guys (or girls) who go by initials and then throw insults around on the internet.

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#46 camdog
January 08 2014, 10:44AM
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DT wrote:

Also, Tambellini traded Brodziak. Plus, the summer they let Glencross go, was Tambellini's first summer here. Whose decision was it?

Considering free agency starts July 1 and Tambelini was hired July 31, Glencross not resigning was Kevin Lowe's call.

Tambelini had little power over free agent moves in the summer of 2008 as he was signed to GM a month after free agency even began, that's 6 week's too late.

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#47 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 08 2014, 10:50AM
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pelhem grenville wrote:

JT...you look like Helen Green!

Hey idiot! We're talking about the Oilers defence here. Cut the crap Mr. irrelevant! But today's another day, isn't it Pelhem.

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#48 Brian
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Sure Marincin got exposed and is only here cuz the team is crap, but he is a keeper IMHO.

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#49 camdog
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john wrote:

Get over it, Lowe is the president, he will not lose his job. GM make trades, draft picks to make up the team. Coaches to teach the players play the game. Players to perform and get the wins. Eakins is all talk, the team is worst in goals against, how can it get worst from previous years? The Blues were bad before, Hitchcock got them into a better team. The Avs were bad last year, Roy (can't stand the guy) got them play better this year. Good coaches make the team better with what he has. If 20 players play harder than the other teams each game, they will win games. Top Dman can't win you the Cup, did Weber win the Preds a Cup? Put a really good goalie on a bad defensive team, he can't win games either. Last 10 years only 1 team won the Cup twice, Blackhawks, it's a team game win as a group not as individuals.

Interesting, you bring up Hitchcook. This is the same coach that Scott Howson fired in Columbus, before he himself was fired in Columbus and whom is now currently the senior VP of Hockey Operations for the Edmonton Oilers. Appears Oiler VP's couldn't win with Hitch when he worked for them in previous organizations....

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#50 Harry
January 08 2014, 12:42AM
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john wrote:

When Lowe was GM, Oilers was 1 win from winning the Cup. They had bad scouting staffs so they had bad drafts for a long time. If Lowe is an idiot why is he the president and you are not? Hockey Canada has Lowe in charge too along with Yzerman, so you are saying those people are stupid too?

Your right when he was GM they were one win away. The comment above stated what has he done as PRESIDENT to warrant such a negative response. And the many many reasons are well documented.

Not to mention the fact that was in 2006 and we are now in 2014.

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