THE TEAM....

Jason Gregor
January 07 2014 10:30AM

Canada finally announced their 2014 roster for the Sochi Olympics, and without a doubt the biggest surprise is Claude Giroux not making the team.

There are eleven returning players on the 25-man roster, but in my eyes Rick Nash continues to be the most overrated player in the NHL. Nash has had one 70-point season, and since the 2010 Olympics he has scored 185 points in 228 games, 25th most amongst Canadian-born players. In that same time span Marty St.Louis has scored the most points, 271, while Giroux is third with 255.

Giroux is flat out more competitive game in, game out than Nash. Nash has only two goals in 16 NHL playoff games, but Hockey Canada seems to put more onus on the fact he has played well at the water-downed World Championships.

Nash did play okay at the last Olympics, but how much of that was because he was on Toews line, and Toews was the best player in the tournament.

Nash has 18 points in 27 games this year. No one can say he is playing well, or close to the level of Claude Giroux, but Hockey Canada choose him because he's played for them before. I guess Giroux should not play crappier in the NHL so his team could miss the playoffs and he can pad his stats at the World Championships.

Here is the roster, returning players have **.

Goalies:

  • Roberto Luongo**
  • Carey Price
  • Mike Smith

Defence:

  • Jay Bouwmeester
  • Drew Doughty**
  • Dan Hamuis
  • Duncan Keith**
  • Alex Pietrangelo
  • PK Subban
  • Marc-Edouard Vlasic
  • Shea Weber**

Forwards:

  • Jamie Benn
  • Patrice Bergeron**
  • Jeff Carter
  • Sidney Crosby**
  • Matt Duchene
  • Ryan Getzlaf**
  • Chris Kunitz
  • Patrick Marleau**
  • Rick Nash**
  • Corey Perry**
  • Patrick Sharp
  • Steven Stamkos
  • John Tavares
  • Jonathan Toews**

I still believe Canada is the favourite, because of the blueline and their top-six forwards; Crosby, Tavares, Stamkos, Getzlaf, Perry and Toews.

It will be an awesome tournament and I can't wait to watch, but picking Nash over Giroux makes little sense. Essentially they are basing it on seven good games that happened four years ago. Horrible decision.

Which decision surpised you?

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#101 DrunkGuyTy
January 07 2014, 12:35PM
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Was there more anticipation to find out who was on the team so we could start getting behind the guys or so everyone could start b!tching about who was omitted? I think it took TSN all of 3 seconds to turn the focus away from supporting the team to leading the complaints about who was left out.

Bottom line is we have the best players. Let's focus on getting behind those who are going and forget about those who aren't.

G'Oh Canada!

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#102 Eberle4MVP
January 07 2014, 12:36PM
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@Mo Playoffs Mo Problems

Ward shouldnt even be considered on a "C" Team. Terrible right now. That would be like saying Dubnyk should start in net.

There is no way Marchand makes any of my teams on a big ice surface. Too many other better and well-rounded players. You dont need an agitator in the Olympics.

Only difference on the B squad as opposed to the A squad is that the B squad would let in a pile more goals. There arent a lot of players on that list that are defensively sound.

If Harding was healthy, he should have been the third string goaltender instead of Smith. What a steller year he is having!

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#103 Sid
January 07 2014, 12:37PM
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Lets face the truth Hall looked horrible on the big ice last year for Canada. He looked like a Junior hockey player using his speed to go through 5 players. It did not work and Ruff benched him. Sorry but that is the truth.

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#104 S cottV
January 07 2014, 12:38PM
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Big ice lends itself more to guys with big reach who can move. So Nash - 6 ft 4 / 220 who can skate with anyone, makes more sense than meets the eye, offensivly and defensively.

You have to be careful applying full defensive pressure anywhere on the ice, and particularly out to the boards. Big reach guys who can skate, can apply full pressure when it makes sense, but dont have to fully commit to still be effective at limiting time / space, angling with a big body and reach.

Also helps big time on the PK side of things.

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#105 Zarny
January 07 2014, 12:38PM
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Mo Playoffs Mo Problems wrote:

Imagine Canada's "B-Team". They could probably still contend for a medal:

Hall - Thornton - Couture

Neal - Giroux - Eberle

St. Louis - E. Staal - J. Staal

Lucic - Seguin - Ladd

Reserves: Marchand - M. Richards - Doan - J. Williams

Boyle - Seabrook

Giordano - Phaneuf

Letang - M. Staal

Reserves: Girardi - Beauchemin

Bernier

Harding

Ward

Canada's B team is no doubt impressive, but you have 3 players who shoot left (Couture, Staal and Ladd) playing RW. That won't work.

Luckily St. Louis is actually a RW so you can move him to the 1st line.

Otherwise, you probably have to move Seguin to RW, Staal to C, and cut Ladd for Doan, Williams, Little or most likely Iginla.

Giordano and Phaneuf are both left D that shoot left.. So is M. Staal although Letang is a righty. Giordano or M. Staal likely move to the reserves for Girardi who shoots right.

G is where Canada's B team would be weakest.

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#106 Eberle4MVP
January 07 2014, 12:39PM
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@Vernon Huynh

Clearly the best pic for Captain is Jonathan Toews... its not even close

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#107 pkam
January 07 2014, 12:42PM
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S cottV wrote:

I wonder where the Oilers had Jamie Benn in the 2007 draft?

They took a lot of guys ahead of him that never turned into anything close to this guy.

He would sure look good at centre for the Oilers.

29 other teams passed on him for 4 rounds. Oilers didn't even have a 2nd and 3rd round picks that year. So in a sense, we were better than the other 29 teams since they all had more picks than us yet they passed on him.

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#108 Zarny
January 07 2014, 12:42PM
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Sid wrote:

Lets face the truth Hall looked horrible on the big ice last year for Canada. He looked like a Junior hockey player using his speed to go through 5 players. It did not work and Ruff benched him. Sorry but that is the truth.

Let's face the truth, Hall turned 22 less than 2 months ago.

In Vancouver, Canada had one 22 y/o on the team...Sidney Crosby. Everyone else was 24+. And Hall is 3 months younger than Crosby was in 2010.

Hall has barely played 200 NHL games. He was the youngest player at the orientation camp by almost a year. Duchene was the only other '91 invited and he's 10 months older than Hall with almost 100 more NHL games experience.

It's not surprising when a 21 y/o struggles a bit. It really isn't. Not even in the slightest.

That is the truth.

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#109 Shaner
January 07 2014, 12:43PM
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Jeff carter.........seriously Jeff F'n Carter. Am I missing something? Not good defensively and mediocre year offensively

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#110 pelhem grenville
January 07 2014, 12:44PM
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...you're the second person to have changed his or her name on here after I have called them on demeaning & belittling comments...yes I know about having fun at the expense of our beloved team but I'm allowed to NOT like it! it's why I read some of the silliness... Wanye's the best at silly...but you sir are what you are...irrelevant

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#111 ToppsSmith
January 07 2014, 12:44PM
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Jeffff wrote:

Every player cannot be the same. You need to build a team, they picked team Canada with that in mind. Each player has a role to play with different strength's. Hall did not make this team because the didn't need another player with excellent speed. They needed something different.

You people turned me. Get Nash out of that uniform. We will make Crosby do the grinding on the 3rd line, Stamkos will goon it up on 4th, and the highly over rated MSL can be our penalty killing specialist. It makes perfect sense.

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#112 OILERSORDEATH
January 07 2014, 12:46PM
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Dan Hamuis!!?? Are you fricken serious? not sure about that one either.

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#113 He Who Knows
January 07 2014, 12:47PM
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Hey Gregor, I heard Lowe is going to be on your show today. This is your chance to grill his ass and let him know the fan base despises him. Thanks.

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#114 They're $hittie
January 07 2014, 12:50PM
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Me wrote:

So....these guys don't have skill?

And how is having all this "skill" working for the oilers?

IDIOT.

I didnt say they dont have skil, I said they dont have as much skill.

My point was they made the decision on bringing an inferior player to play with crosby even though there were better options. However they did not use that reasoning when selecting the D. Seabrook is a better player than hamhuis and vlasic and has chemistry with keith, but they decided that our great players cant play with there back hand so lets take worse players.

Read the context properly before you criticize someone.

Idiot.

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#115 ToppsSmith
January 07 2014, 12:51PM
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OILERSORDEATH wrote:

Dan Hamuis!!?? Are you fricken serious? not sure about that one either.

He is one of the better defensive choices. He has wheels and can see the plays develop. He is an extremely smart player. However I didn't expect to see him.

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#116 S cottV
January 07 2014, 12:51PM
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@pkam

I guess he played in the BCJHL, in his draft year, so Vancouver comes out looking the dumbest. He put up a lot of points that year in Victoria, so - the Oilers should have been aware.

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#117 Zarny
January 07 2014, 12:51PM
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A-Mc wrote:

So what?

St. Louis had 60, Eric Stall 53 and Taylor hall 50.

Mike Ribeiro had more points than Nash last year, with 49

Giroux had 48, Ladd had 46 and Kadri had 44, Moulson had 44 and Parenteau had 43pts.

Who gives a flying F#ck that Nash had 42 points last season.

With the super stars that comprise Team Canada, Nash is simply "OK". There are definitely better options.

It's simple dumba**...I agree there are better selections than Nash.

Calling Nash "OK" though is flat out idiotic; even with the superstars that comprise Team Canada.

Because the reality is that even though I don't think Nash should have been selected he's on the short list of reserves well ahead of Ladd, Kadri, Moulson, Ribeiro and Parenteau.

It is beyond laughable how dolts like you call a F who probably should 15-16th right now not 12-13th "OK".

LAUGHABLE. Like literally ROFLMAO.

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#118 ToppsSmith
January 07 2014, 12:54PM
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Zarny wrote:

It's simple dumba**...I agree there are better selections than Nash.

Calling Nash "OK" though is flat out idiotic; even with the superstars that comprise Team Canada.

Because the reality is that even though I don't think Nash should have been selected he's on the short list of reserves well ahead of Ladd, Kadri, Moulson, Ribeiro and Parenteau.

It is beyond laughable how dolts like you call a F who probably should 15-16th right now not 12-13th "OK".

LAUGHABLE. Like literally ROFLMAO.

Well said.

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#119 They're $hittie
January 07 2014, 12:54PM
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FSD wrote:

Look at all these Oiler fans talking about who should and should not be on the team.

Your credibility is lacking most of you thought the Oilers were a playoff team this year.

Ha Ha Ha

Does FSD stand for Flames Suck D#$@?

How is wonder kid Sven Bartschi working out for you. Thought you all said he was going to get 55 points this year.

LOL

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#120 Johnnydapunk
January 07 2014, 12:54PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

World Cup is superior to the Olympics.

1. Every team gets an actual training camp. This eliminates the debates over who should have been named to the team. It also creates chemistry for the teams by not relying on one or two practices for that chemistry.

2. No interupted NHL schedule

3. No condensed NHL schedule

4. No 5 A.M. game times due to time zone issues

5. Gives us hockey in the summer

6. The players will like it better as they will get paid for it as opposed to the Olympics

7. If Olympics are back to the amateurs, it gives the possibility of another "Miracle On Ice" to happen again

8. An amateur Olympic program in the past gave us great players such as Cliff Ronning, that would have never made it otherwise. It also strengthens other tournaments such as the Spengler Cup

9. There would be more parity in the Olympics. Even the USA domination of basketball is another example for things to change

I'm prepared for a trashing here...

I don't know if I would call the World Cup superior, it's different and is for a different market.

I'm not going to question all of your points as there is only a few that I kindof disagree with.

4. Regarding time zones, that 5 am start thing, it only applies to North America as 5 am as in Europe it is a normal evening time. I don't see that being an issue if the "World Cup" is actually held worldwide.

5. I could be wrong, but the NHL has an 82 game schedule which is one of the longest hockey schedules worldwide, and I don't know how much the players would want to play or prepare for a summer tournament. I think the players breaking down would be an issue.

6. I. Not sure where payment would come in unless there was some type of prize money involved, there is also the issue of insurance as I don't think too many team owners would be or even are happy with releasing their 5 mil a year player for a summer tournament.

7/9 I don't think there is any fear of a "Miracle on Ice" moment not happening as there is quite a bit of parity among Olympic teams, it just takes time, and you are seeing it with teams like Switzerland for example, who beat Canada in 2010 in the round robin part. I think the IIHF is doing a tremendous job of raising the level of international hockey with their World Championship structure. No one really expected the Finns to win the World Juniors this year, so gold is not guaranteed for anyone.

8. I don't think there is any country that has a full time "National team" anymore, I can only guess that it is a money issue as a National Team program can't be cheap. Something similar to football(soccer) scenario with national team breaks can't really work either as the season is pretty packed as it is.

The idea of a "World Cup" of hockey in the format that was used in 2004 and before, seems only popular in North America as a lot of Europeans take the Olympics and IIHF World Championships as their "World Cup" they both are massively important and popular to watch and players take it very seriously (well Europeans )

Ideally it would be good for the IIHF to move the world championships to a later time so it would get more North American interest, but I guess that affects the European leagues.

Apologies for the novel, I get on a topic and latch on to it :-P

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#121 Rob...
January 07 2014, 12:56PM
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@He Who Knows

FTFY: "Hey Gregor, I heard Lowe is going to be on your show today. This is your chance to grill his ass and let him know the fanbase despise his actions since the summer of 2006."

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#122 A-Mc
January 07 2014, 12:59PM
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@Zarny

Its too bad that when you're challenged you resort to name calling. You shouldn't let a hockey fan site bring you down like that.

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#123 S cottV
January 07 2014, 12:59PM
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ToppsSmith wrote:

He is one of the better defensive choices. He has wheels and can see the plays develop. He is an extremely smart player. However I didn't expect to see him.

He also has a lot of international experience and plays well on big ice.

It is a different game and some guys more suited than others, to make the adjustments required.

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#124 Vernon Huynh
January 07 2014, 01:01PM
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pelhem grenville wrote:

Vern...my concerns are two...goaltending and the big ice surface but I like that there's a righty and lefty on each D pairing...I like that Kunitz made it...I like that we have no smurfs (yes your MSL is big hearted)...but I worry about those things I mentioned...

i agree...but like every olympics or WC or anything international....Canada has the best skaters in the world bar none from 1-22, of course there are the datsyuks of the world, but overall Canada > REST of the World. BUT it's always the goalies that are in the spotlight right or wrong, they're the last line of defence and whenever canada loses, goaltending is almost always the first thing pointed out.

Big Surface is another problem. Canadians NEVER play on such a huge surface from their minor hockey to CHL they are always trained in NA ice, whereas all europeans USUALLY will have some experience on the surface. Having played minor hockey in edmonton i have never even seen an international rink (outside the TV) so yea that's definitely a concern.

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#125 Wabby
January 07 2014, 01:01PM
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I didnt remember Nash playing on Toews line at the last olympics, i was sure he played first line with Crosby and i thought Iginla and from what i can remember he was the most consistant threat offensively out of the three of them. That being said that was 4 years ago and does that give him the right to be on this team, i dont think so, but obviously hockey canada does.

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#126 Me
January 07 2014, 01:02PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

I didnt say they dont have skil, I said they dont have as much skill.

My point was they made the decision on bringing an inferior player to play with crosby even though there were better options. However they did not use that reasoning when selecting the D. Seabrook is a better player than hamhuis and vlasic and has chemistry with keith, but they decided that our great players cant play with there back hand so lets take worse players.

Read the context properly before you criticize someone.

Idiot.

I read it just fine....you said inferior players...according to you Kunitz is inferior to who at left wing? Again by your logic what constitutes an inferior player when building a team?

IDIOT.

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#127 Oilerz4life
January 07 2014, 01:02PM
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pelhem grenville wrote:

...you're the second person to have changed his or her name on here after I have called them on demeaning & belittling comments...yes I know about having fun at the expense of our beloved team but I'm allowed to NOT like it! it's why I read some of the silliness... Wanye's the best at silly...but you sir are what you are...irrelevant

Still fail to see how comparing current Oilers hockey to Interpretive Ice Dancing at the Olympics is so offensive. Funny that you should mention demeaning and belittling comments. Perhaps you should change your name to Mister Hypocrisy, or the Ontario Blog Boss (-_-)

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#128 Me
January 07 2014, 01:04PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

Does FSD stand for Flames Suck D#$@?

How is wonder kid Sven Bartschi working out for you. Thought you all said he was going to get 55 points this year.

LOL

Nice comeback. Really. IDIOT.

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#129 outdoorzguy
January 07 2014, 01:04PM
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Rob... wrote:

FTFY: "Hey Gregor, I heard Lowe is going to be on your show today. This is your chance to grill his ass and let him know the fanbase despise his actions since the summer of 2006."

I doubt it. He'll talk about the Olympic team. But it would be interesting for Gregor to ask Lowe what qualifications he has for being on that selection committee. That answer could be real interesting. But Gregor will take the easy road. He won't bother with any Oiler issues because that is what the fans want to know.

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#130 They're $hittie
January 07 2014, 01:07PM
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Me wrote:

I read it just fine....you said inferior players...according to you Kunitz is inferior to who at left wing? Again by your logic what constitutes an inferior player when building a team?

IDIOT.

take a poll,

Kunitz is inferior to Couture, St. Louis, Neal, Hall, E Staal,

Vlasic and Hamhuis are inferior, to Boyle, Seabrook,

Here is the definition of inferior http://www.thefreedictionary.com/inferior

Being worse than another player does not imply you dont have skill it means you are not as good as them.

MORON.

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#131 A-Mc
January 07 2014, 01:08PM
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Zarny wrote:

It's simple dumba**...I agree there are better selections than Nash.

Calling Nash "OK" though is flat out idiotic; even with the superstars that comprise Team Canada.

Because the reality is that even though I don't think Nash should have been selected he's on the short list of reserves well ahead of Ladd, Kadri, Moulson, Ribeiro and Parenteau.

It is beyond laughable how dolts like you call a F who probably should 15-16th right now not 12-13th "OK".

LAUGHABLE. Like literally ROFLMAO.

When people are discussing the roster for team canada, things are said like "he wouldnt be good for this team", "he isn't a good option", "That's an OK choice, but for my money there are players who are better", etc.

Rick Nash hasn't been described as a "good" option. "Good", "Great fit", "Excellent choice", "Super player", etc. None of these terms are used to describe Nash's place on this team.

He's an OK choice, but (as you agree) there are better options. He's an OK player for Team Canada. That's all i'm saying. I wouldnt have taken him and obviously you agree.

I'm really not sure why you've created this Hill over the "OK" Nash label, and are now willing to die on it.

Nash is a great player in the NHL. He's an OK player for Team Canada. Using terms like Dumba$$, dolt, idiotic, and then finishing with the condescending term of "laughable", is a little much dont you think?

It is my observation that you try fairly hard to be pedantic at best, and flat out Troll-like at worst. Why all the negativity man!?

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!?!

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#132 LoweBlow
January 07 2014, 01:10PM
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I can't bloody wait to see this team play!!!! For an Oiler fan, this'll be the first decent team we'll have had to cheer for in a LONG time!

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#133 A-Mc
January 07 2014, 01:14PM
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I can't bloody wait to see this team play!!!! For an Oiler fan, this'll be the first decent team we'll have had to cheer for in a LONG time!

i neeeeeed 'dis!

This is all we have to look forward to this year. It'll be a welcome distraction.

Although i'm going to have to stay away from twitter and the interwebs until after i finish watching the games.

If canada makes it into the final medal rounds, i might just take the next day off work so i can watch the games live. Hearing the score before you've watched the game is such a killjoy and with the excitement of the final in 2010.. i dont think there's any choice. I need to watch it live!

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#134 bestmyfeeling
January 07 2014, 01:15PM
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Eberle4MVP wrote:

Clearly the best pic for Captain is Jonathan Toews... its not even close

i would like to hear your explanation how it's "not even close"

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#135 Oilers4ever
January 07 2014, 01:17PM
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Doesnt make sense to have duchene or benn ahead of Hall either. They need to fire the arseholes that puck this team. Hope they finish 4th like the jrs.

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#136 Me
January 07 2014, 01:18PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

take a poll,

Kunitz is inferior to Couture, St. Louis, Neal, Hall, E Staal,

Vlasic and Hamhuis are inferior, to Boyle, Seabrook,

Here is the definition of inferior http://www.thefreedictionary.com/inferior

Being worse than another player does not imply you dont have skill it means you are not as good as them.

MORON.

You still havent said how he's inferior... so explain...you also said they went with "handedness" over "skill", so how are you arguing against Kunitz skill? IDIOT.

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#137 He Who Knows
January 07 2014, 01:19PM
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outdoorzguy wrote:

I doubt it. He'll talk about the Olympic team. But it would be interesting for Gregor to ask Lowe what qualifications he has for being on that selection committee. That answer could be real interesting. But Gregor will take the easy road. He won't bother with any Oiler issues because that is what the fans want to know.

I believe in Gregor. I'm sure Lowe probably put 6 rings on his resume and team Canada brought him in. Team Canada also gives a lot of favors to people who are completely under qualified. A lot of people know Giroux and Crosby hate each other and it's more than just the on ice stuff. Guys like Jeff Carter and Patty Marleau are not better than Giroux. He is a beast with an edge and they leave him off the team? The whole system and process wreaks of politics. This is not the best team they could put on the ice.

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#138 Serious Gord
January 07 2014, 01:21PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

World Cup is superior to the Olympics.

1. Every team gets an actual training camp. This eliminates the debates over who should have been named to the team. It also creates chemistry for the teams by not relying on one or two practices for that chemistry.

2. No interupted NHL schedule

3. No condensed NHL schedule

4. No 5 A.M. game times due to time zone issues

5. Gives us hockey in the summer

6. The players will like it better as they will get paid for it as opposed to the Olympics

7. If Olympics are back to the amateurs, it gives the possibility of another "Miracle On Ice" to happen again

8. An amateur Olympic program in the past gave us great players such as Cliff Ronning, that would have never made it otherwise. It also strengthens other tournaments such as the Spengler Cup

9. There would be more parity in the Olympics. Even the USA domination of basketball is another example for things to change

It will never go back to amateur. It will be U20 just like soccer. that means a few NHLers and KHLers will be eligible and will play.

And thus it will be the world juniors on steroids - and the imbalances will remain.

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#139 A-Mc
January 07 2014, 01:21PM
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Question: if the NHL doesnt go to Korea in 2018, but instead does the world cup thing, Is the world cup every year? What is the frequency of the tournament?

I think the 4 year cyclic nature of the Olympics plays a big part in boosting the importance of the hockey tournament. Having a tournament every year might result in a lesser product. Olympic hockey is brutal awesome.. Emotionally it kicks the piss out of us fans. If it were to happen every year, i'm not sure i could say the same thing..

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#140 ToppsSmith
January 07 2014, 01:25PM
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Me wrote:

You still havent said how he's inferior... so explain...you also said they went with "handedness" over "skill", so how are you arguing against Kunitz skill? IDIOT.

I think Kunitz was more a pick to stick with Crosby who he has played with for a good part of the year. Instant chemistry for a national team is hard to get. I think a few of these guys made the team on that alone. Someone a Superstar can bounce off of naturally. Other nations will lack this at this level. Also he can play all 4 lines. Kunitz is a smarter pick if you look deep at it.

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#141 Zarny
January 07 2014, 01:26PM
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A-Mc wrote:

When people are discussing the roster for team canada, things are said like "he wouldnt be good for this team", "he isn't a good option", "That's an OK choice, but for my money there are players who are better", etc.

Rick Nash hasn't been described as a "good" option. "Good", "Great fit", "Excellent choice", "Super player", etc. None of these terms are used to describe Nash's place on this team.

He's an OK choice, but (as you agree) there are better options. He's an OK player for Team Canada. That's all i'm saying. I wouldnt have taken him and obviously you agree.

I'm really not sure why you've created this Hill over the "OK" Nash label, and are now willing to die on it.

Nash is a great player in the NHL. He's an OK player for Team Canada. Using terms like Dumba$$, dolt, idiotic, and then finishing with the condescending term of "laughable", is a little much dont you think?

It is my observation that you try fairly hard to be pedantic at best, and flat out Troll-like at worst. Why all the negativity man!?

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!?!

You're right it is a bit much and troll-like. My bad.

I think it's simply ridiculous to label a player that is at worst 15-16th on the depth chart as OK.

Perhaps it's semantics, but Nash is a good choice for Team Canada. IMO not the best choice but he's far better than OK.

Rob Zaumner in Nagano. Now that was an OK pick.

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#142 Serious Gord
January 07 2014, 01:26PM
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Spydyr wrote:

I also like the World Cup idea but it should be every four years not every two. If it happens too often players will start to back out after long playoff runs.

They should also find that old Canada Cup trophy , award that and call it The Canada Cup.

Gretzky to Lemiuix..... Will it ever get better?

It will be every two - twice the dough ray me.

And twice as many discussions like this.

I love the idea it should be the cda cup. and the cup is on display at the HHOF - it has a slight bend in its tip and looks fantastic.

So every two years - the rotation would be: Canada - Russia/Eastern Europe - United States - Scandinavia. - Thus big crowds every year - not the empty stands like you are going to see in seoul.

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January 07 2014, 01:37PM
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I think Kunitz was more a pick to stick with Crosby who he has played with for a good part of the year. Instant chemistry for a national team is hard to get. I think a few of these guys made the team on that alone. Someone a Superstar can bounce off of naturally. Other nations will lack this at this level. Also he can play all 4 lines. Kunitz is a smarter pick if you look deep at it.

The only place where this is an issue is in sOiler country, Hall doesn't even make the TSN poll as a suprise not being on the team. He's not the first or second highest scoring LW from Canada either, he's 3rd. I wonder if they are whining in Winnipeg today (and showing how a "fan" struggles to be objective) that Bryan Little never came up since he was as of last night the 4th highest point totalled RW, behind Eberle who also never came up.

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A-Mc wrote:

Question: if the NHL doesnt go to Korea in 2018, but instead does the world cup thing, Is the world cup every year? What is the frequency of the tournament?

I think the 4 year cyclic nature of the Olympics plays a big part in boosting the importance of the hockey tournament. Having a tournament every year might result in a lesser product. Olympic hockey is brutal awesome.. Emotionally it kicks the piss out of us fans. If it were to happen every year, i'm not sure i could say the same thing..

The NHL brass certainly prefer a World Cup; I think the plan they have is every 4 years like the Olympics. Maybe every 2 but certainly not every year.

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#145 Zarny
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The only place where this is an issue is in sOiler country, Hall doesn't even make the TSN poll as a suprise not being on the team. He's not the first or second highest scoring LW from Canada either, he's 3rd. I wonder if they are whining in Winnipeg today (and showing how a "fan" struggles to be objective) that Bryan Little never came up since he was as of last night the 4th highest point totalled RW, behind Eberle who also never came up.

Hall has the highest pt/gm for all Canadian LW over the last year.

And no Hall doesn't make the TSN poll because he turned 22 less than 2 months ago and has only played 209 NHL games.

Compared to say Duchene who is 10 months older and has played close to 100 more NHL games.

If the Olympics were next year Hall would be a lock.

Deal with it.

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#146 The Real Scuba Steve
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Oilerz4life wrote:

Sorry, I forgot that this is OILERSNATION.COM. What are you the blog police?

No kidding, quit your crying and go to NHL.com.

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Zarny wrote:

The NHL brass certainly prefer a World Cup; I think the plan they have is every 4 years like the Olympics. Maybe every 2 but certainly not every year.

What's the reason the World Championships have to be so close to the playoffs every year?

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Zarny wrote:

Hall has the highest pt/gm for all Canadian LW over the last year.

And no Hall doesn't make the TSN poll because he turned 22 less than 2 months ago and has only played 209 NHL games.

Compared to say Duchene who is 10 months older and has played close to 100 more NHL games.

If the Olympics were next year Hall would be a lock.

Deal with it.

So it's all about age? Nothing to do with any other shortcomings in his game? All you do is post the same thing about the age of him and Duchene, as if that's the sole reason.

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#149 Zarny
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LoweBlow wrote:

I know y'all dislike Nash and consider Giroux a 'better hockey player'. I believe this is true in a top 6 role. Nash however played on a checking line with Toews & Richards in the 2010 games. That line was magnificent at shutting down Dats-Ovi-Malkin.

Sadly, Giroux's passion will be Ieft out. I still remember him laying out Crosby 30sec into Game 5 before the Flyers knocked out The Pens 2012. Perhaps the rapport between Crosby & Giroux played a roll!

I believe Babcock will put Toews-Sharp-Nash together for a checking line. No one can score on these guys!

My lines.

Kunitz-Crosby-Stamkos Benn-Getzlaf-Perry Sharp-Toews-Nash Duchesne-Tavares-Carter Bergeron (Marleau-extra)

My alternatives: Mike Richards>Marleau Seabrook>Hamhuis (chemistry is a premium in this tourney, he & Keith) Anyone>Bouwmeester

On big ice Marleau > Richards. He also plays the W not C like Richards. Same goes with Carter...he can play RW. Joe Thornton would make the team at C before Mike Richards.

Duncan Keith will play with Drew Doughty on the top pair; Seabrook and Keith were never going to be paired together this Olympics.

Hamhuis shoots left; Seabrook shoots right. That's what the decision is based on. I suppose you can disagree with that strategy, but Babcock has won a Stanley Cup and Olympic gold so his opinion counts more.

Bouwmeester is one of the best skating D in the NHL and plays regularly with Pietrangelo. He also shoots left which after Pronger and Neidermeyer retired Canada is in short supply of.

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#150 ToppsSmith
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Me wrote:

The only place where this is an issue is in sOiler country, Hall doesn't even make the TSN poll as a suprise not being on the team. He's not the first or second highest scoring LW from Canada either, he's 3rd. I wonder if they are whining in Winnipeg today (and showing how a "fan" struggles to be objective) that Bryan Little never came up since he was as of last night the 4th highest point totalled RW, behind Eberle who also never came up.

Ya I said it before and I'll say it again. I would loved to see Hall and Eberle play on the big ice and play with a pure playmaker like Thorton. I think Hall didn't come up on TSN because that network hates the west coast teams. (Like most networks) they put them on TV, but they always favor Toronto or Montreal. It's grossly obvious too.

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