THE TEAM....

Jason Gregor
January 07 2014 10:30AM

Canada finally announced their 2014 roster for the Sochi Olympics, and without a doubt the biggest surprise is Claude Giroux not making the team.

There are eleven returning players on the 25-man roster, but in my eyes Rick Nash continues to be the most overrated player in the NHL. Nash has had one 70-point season, and since the 2010 Olympics he has scored 185 points in 228 games, 25th most amongst Canadian-born players. In that same time span Marty St.Louis has scored the most points, 271, while Giroux is third with 255.

Giroux is flat out more competitive game in, game out than Nash. Nash has only two goals in 16 NHL playoff games, but Hockey Canada seems to put more onus on the fact he has played well at the water-downed World Championships.

Nash did play okay at the last Olympics, but how much of that was because he was on Toews line, and Toews was the best player in the tournament.

Nash has 18 points in 27 games this year. No one can say he is playing well, or close to the level of Claude Giroux, but Hockey Canada choose him because he's played for them before. I guess Giroux should not play crappier in the NHL so his team could miss the playoffs and he can pad his stats at the World Championships.

Here is the roster, returning players have **.

Goalies:

  • Roberto Luongo**
  • Carey Price
  • Mike Smith

Defence:

  • Jay Bouwmeester
  • Drew Doughty**
  • Dan Hamuis
  • Duncan Keith**
  • Alex Pietrangelo
  • PK Subban
  • Marc-Edouard Vlasic
  • Shea Weber**

Forwards:

  • Jamie Benn
  • Patrice Bergeron**
  • Jeff Carter
  • Sidney Crosby**
  • Matt Duchene
  • Ryan Getzlaf**
  • Chris Kunitz
  • Patrick Marleau**
  • Rick Nash**
  • Corey Perry**
  • Patrick Sharp
  • Steven Stamkos
  • John Tavares
  • Jonathan Toews**

I still believe Canada is the favourite, because of the blueline and their top-six forwards; Crosby, Tavares, Stamkos, Getzlaf, Perry and Toews.

It will be an awesome tournament and I can't wait to watch, but picking Nash over Giroux makes little sense. Essentially they are basing it on seven good games that happened four years ago. Horrible decision.

Which decision surpised you?

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#1 FSD
January 07 2014, 11:26AM
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Look at all these Oiler fans talking about who should and should not be on the team.

Your credibility is lacking most of you thought the Oilers were a playoff team this year.

Ha Ha Ha

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#2 Me
January 07 2014, 11:01AM
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They're $hittie wrote:

If Gagner gets traded to Pittsburg and plays RW with Crosby does that mean he qualifies for the olympics?

Also if Kunitz is there to play with crosby and we know he is not one of the best four LWs than why would Seabrook not make the team to play with Keith when he is a better option than Hamhuis or Vlassic.

They made this choice based on handedness and not skill. So instead of the better player with more skill and playing with his partner for chemistry they decided to take an inferior player because they dont think elite players can take a pass on their back hand.

So....these guys don't have skill?

And how is having all this "skill" working for the oilers?

IDIOT.

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#3 Ballsy Hallsy
January 07 2014, 10:38AM
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They made some mistakes (cough, Bergeron, Hamhuis, Carter, Bouwmeester, Nash), but they got some right (Duchene, Subban, Vlasic, Benn, Pietrangelo). Overall, I think they got more correct than not and I'm stoked for Canada's 2014 Gold Medal Run!

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#4 Vernon Huynh
January 07 2014, 10:58AM
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@pelhem grenville

87 is a great player and the face of team canada, but he's no veteran...

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#5 Eric
January 07 2014, 11:23AM
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It is not all about the points. Most people think if you build an All-Star team you win. I really don't care that X got more points than Y. Look at J. Toews Bergeron 2 way players that put up points. YOUR BUILDING A TEAM.

Nash has an incredible record for international hockey.

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#6 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 07 2014, 11:29AM
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Oilerz4life wrote:

Your article failed to mention that the Edmonton Oilers are being considered to represent the best that Canada has to offer in Interpretive Ice Dancing at the Sochi Games.

And Gagner's in the Luge! The guy LOVES to slide on ice!

And bonus....his feet don't hang over the back of that little wee sled!

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#7 stg
January 07 2014, 02:29PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

What's this bunk? Where's Will Acton?

Are you kidding me hes a 4th liner for edmonton how would he possibly make team canade

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#8 Rondo
January 07 2014, 10:48AM
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Logan Couture and Giroux surprised me the most.

Nash has been one of the best international player for Canada consistently.

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#9 Tikkanese
January 07 2014, 11:25AM
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World Cup is superior to the Olympics.

1. Every team gets an actual training camp. This eliminates the debates over who should have been named to the team. It also creates chemistry for the teams by not relying on one or two practices for that chemistry.

2. No interupted NHL schedule

3. No condensed NHL schedule

4. No 5 A.M. game times due to time zone issues

5. Gives us hockey in the summer

6. The players will like it better as they will get paid for it as opposed to the Olympics

7. If Olympics are back to the amateurs, it gives the possibility of another "Miracle On Ice" to happen again

8. An amateur Olympic program in the past gave us great players such as Cliff Ronning, that would have never made it otherwise. It also strengthens other tournaments such as the Spengler Cup

9. There would be more parity in the Olympics. Even the USA domination of basketball is another example for things to change

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#10 Me
January 07 2014, 10:51AM
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I find the arguments against Kunitz hilarious...have you seen his totals? "Well his numbers are inflated playing with Crosby" Who the f--k do you think he'll be playing with?

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#11 Vernon Huynh
January 07 2014, 10:36AM
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i would argue the biggest surprise is no MSL...we had lemieux in 2002 as our veteran, 2006 was sakic, and 2010 was iggy....i don't see our veteran leader on this team

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#12 They're $hittie
January 07 2014, 10:53AM
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If Gagner gets traded to Pittsburg and plays RW with Crosby does that mean he qualifies for the olympics?

Also if Kunitz is there to play with crosby and we know he is not one of the best four LWs than why would Seabrook not make the team to play with Keith when he is a better option than Hamhuis or Vlassic.

They made this choice based on handedness and not skill. So instead of the better player with more skill and playing with his partner for chemistry they decided to take an inferior player because they dont think elite players can take a pass on their back hand.

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#13 Josh Gladu
January 07 2014, 10:39AM
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This team needs more Luke Gazdic's on it. CLEARLY

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#14 Romulus' Apotheosis
January 07 2014, 10:52AM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Looks like Hockey Canada puts a premium on 1) Talent 2) Experience 3) Size

Looks more like

1) legacy 2) tradition 3) chemistry 4) BS

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#15 Oilerz4life
January 07 2014, 11:21AM
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Your article failed to mention that the Edmonton Oilers are being considered to represent the best that Canada has to offer in Interpretive Ice Dancing at the Sochi Games.

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#16 Oilerz4life
January 07 2014, 11:42AM
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pelhem grenville wrote:

...yikes can you and all the rest of the smarmy types here stop with the Oiler jabs?

this is the OLYMPIC TEAM we're talking about!

Sorry, I forgot that this is OILERSNATION.COM. What are you the blog police?

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#17 Rick Stroppel
January 07 2014, 01:57PM
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corky wrote:

Whats laughable is that Kevin Lowe is still part of this Team Canada "brainstrust".

A TIME AND A PLACE

Listen buddy, this is the place to talk about the Olympic team, not the Oilers! Everybody knows that Lowe is a CONCEITED, EGOTISTICAL NINCOMPOOP, but this is not the appropriate place to point that out!

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#18 Romulus' Apotheosis
January 07 2014, 10:35AM
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Kunitz, Marleau, Nash, are mind boggling.

Duchene, Carter are bubble boggling.

D looks good.

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#19 Tikkanese
January 07 2014, 10:32AM
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What's this bunk? Where's Will Acton?

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#20 pkam
January 07 2014, 10:46AM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Also interesting to note...only three players that play from Canadian teams. No Oilers, Flames, Leafs, or Senators.

Edit: OOPS! Left out the Jets! No Jets either.

There is a Jets in the roster?

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#21 pelhem grenville
January 07 2014, 10:49AM
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Vernon Huynh wrote:

i would argue the biggest surprise is no MSL...we had lemieux in 2002 as our veteran, 2006 was sakic, and 2010 was iggy....i don't see our veteran leader on this team

...87

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#22 Rondo
January 07 2014, 11:01AM
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They're $hittie wrote:

Halls team is why he lacks defense. With team Canada defense he will not be exposed.

Why is it that no one mention's Hall on TSN poll biggest omissions?

He really hurt himself playing for Canada last year. He continued to do his drag move and lose the puck and put his center and winger in bad position . Duchene was clearly the better player. Hall does not play a 200ft game.

I think Hall's competition for a place on the team was Duchene Giroux and Martin St louis. He comes in 3rd

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#23 Rick Stroppel
January 07 2014, 11:10AM
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HUH?

Like is says on the back of a losing lottery ticket, "please try again".

Interesting pattern relating to Crosby. Kunitz is Crosby's linemate, he is IN. Giroux and Crosby hate each other, Giroux is OUT. Matt Duchene trains with Crosby in the summer, Duchene is IN. Is is possible the nabobs are afraid to stand up to Mr. Wonderful?

I hope they win gold, I think they will. But if they do not, I will be very dis-a-POINTED!

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#24 Zarny
January 07 2014, 11:25AM
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A-Mc wrote:

I had 1 hope going in: i really wanted either Duchene or Hall to make the team. Both these players have something to their game that is hard to pin down. I think, if given the opportunity, they could really shine.

I am really happy for Matt Duchene! The announcement leaves me with a smile on my face.

My only gripe revolves around Nash. He's an OK player but he is no where near the player of some of these other guys being left off.

Many of the players being left off the team contribute greatly to their clubs. WHen they step on the ice, it's apparent that they are in play and they are difference makers. The only way i know Rick Nash is on the ice is to look for his number.. He doesnt stand out and doesnt really contribute in a way that you would expect to see from a player that was named to the best Olympic hockey team of 2014.

Nash had 42 pts in 44 games last year and played great. He has looked less than himself after the concussion this year and I agree there are better picks.

But to say Nash is an "OK" player is ridiculous.

OK players don't even get mentioned in the group of players cut before making final cuts for invitations to the orientation camp.

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#25 pelhem grenville
January 07 2014, 11:26AM
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Oilerz4life wrote:

Your article failed to mention that the Edmonton Oilers are being considered to represent the best that Canada has to offer in Interpretive Ice Dancing at the Sochi Games.

...yikes can you and all the rest of the smarmy types here stop with the Oiler jabs?

this is the OLYMPIC TEAM we're talking about!

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#26 tileguy
January 07 2014, 11:32AM
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How interesting that Bellov made the Russian team. I wonder if the oil will harness his talent properly or this guy gone in June?

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#27 hankthetank
January 07 2014, 11:32AM
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Martin St.Louis > Rick Nash

WTF?

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#28 A-Mc
January 07 2014, 11:33AM
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Zarny wrote:

Nash had 42 pts in 44 games last year and played great. He has looked less than himself after the concussion this year and I agree there are better picks.

But to say Nash is an "OK" player is ridiculous.

OK players don't even get mentioned in the group of players cut before making final cuts for invitations to the orientation camp.

So what?

St. Louis had 60, Eric Stall 53 and Taylor hall 50.

Mike Ribeiro had more points than Nash last year, with 49

Giroux had 48, Ladd had 46 and Kadri had 44, Moulson had 44 and Parenteau had 43pts.

Who gives a flying F#ck that Nash had 42 points last season.

With the super stars that comprise Team Canada, Nash is simply "OK". There are definitely better options.

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#29 Nowuknow
January 07 2014, 11:44AM
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Had. 6rings involved in this selection process he knows a thing or two about losing. No metals for Canada but mental victory!

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#30 ToppsSmith
January 07 2014, 11:46AM
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A-Mc wrote:

So what?

St. Louis had 60, Eric Stall 53 and Taylor hall 50.

Mike Ribeiro had more points than Nash last year, with 49

Giroux had 48, Ladd had 46 and Kadri had 44, Moulson had 44 and Parenteau had 43pts.

Who gives a flying F#ck that Nash had 42 points last season.

With the super stars that comprise Team Canada, Nash is simply "OK". There are definitely better options.

Why are you obsessing with points. We have a ton of scoring on the team, guys like Nash will play a physical role that others can't. He plays a complete game, which will at times not score, but will tighten up a complete D-Game. Why does everyone want a team of cherry pickers. Teams built that way in the past has failed. I think Nash was a smart pick.

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#31 Sid
January 07 2014, 12:37PM
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Lets face the truth Hall looked horrible on the big ice last year for Canada. He looked like a Junior hockey player using his speed to go through 5 players. It did not work and Ruff benched him. Sorry but that is the truth.

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#32 Me
January 07 2014, 01:04PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

Does FSD stand for Flames Suck D#$@?

How is wonder kid Sven Bartschi working out for you. Thought you all said he was going to get 55 points this year.

LOL

Nice comeback. Really. IDIOT.

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#33 Rick Stroppel
January 07 2014, 02:21PM
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He Who Knows wrote:

Listen buddy, we will talk about Lowe anywhere and everywhere, even on Ellen if we have to because that POS does not belong in any executive capacity period. So there's always a time and place.

SO HARSH!

I don't like to reference cuss words, even using initials. Can we agree to refer to Lowe as a STEAMING PILE OF ODIFEROUS EXCREMENT?

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#34 Zarny
January 07 2014, 03:17PM
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RexHolez wrote:

How come all the hockey canada managers come from winning teams accept Kevin Lowe? 1 of these things is not like the others....

And yet Lowe is still included in the Hockey Canada brain trust.

Sort of tells you the merit of all the Lowe criticism doesn't it.

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#35 Cold Hard Truth
January 07 2014, 03:45PM
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New Rule: Nobody is allowed to use the semicolon anymore. Use a period instead. 90% of the posters on this board use it incorrectly.

Jonathan Willis uses them correctly, albeit too liberally.

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#36 Rondo
January 07 2014, 10:52AM
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Duchene is one of the fastest skaters in the NHL . When he played last year with Hall for Canada he was clearly the better player. Hall's lack of a 200ft game and no playoff experience hurt him.

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#37 Serious Gord
January 07 2014, 01:51PM
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Looking through the list of forwards - the G and D I have zero problem with - Fleury has the same rep with hockey cda as dubnyk has with oiler fans. 4left 4right makes perfect sense - three things dominate:

Speed

Size

Seniority

Speed - every player is in the top percentile for speed

Size - every player is 6ft or over except crosby and Duchene - both at 5'11"

Seniority - eleven alumni

Apply all those criteria and the likes of st louis (size) and Giroux (5'11" 172lbs and declined to play for HC in the past) are knocked out.

This is a team that will not be beaten to a puck nor will it be knocked off the puck.

The one thing that may be missing - believe it or not - or at least was further down the list is playmaking. And playmaking begets scoring chances and goals. This may be a team that struggles to score against a disciplined defensive team - i'm looking at you sweden.

The three that I quibble with are:

Marleau - Got exposed/disappeared in the playoffs in years past. Perhaps in a less physically brutal olympic game he will play at a high level

Carter - Defensively how good is he? aren't there better options (see below)

Nash - Big ? - is he back to past levels or is he damaged like LeCavalier? going to be hard to tell him to go on the DL if he is subpar.

In their place i would have like to have seen:

Seguin - excellent two way player and playmaker can SKATE

Hall - lots of things in his favour - two Mem cup MVPs, natural LW to name two

Skinner - natural LW - great skater, even better shot- beats the very best goalies, Fearless

All three are part of the young guard, play on teams that are out of the playoffs, and are not part of the HC establishment.

Should this team fail, the place to start in the questioning will be with leaving these guys off. TOO conservative and approach will be the refrain.

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#38 Fish
January 07 2014, 10:36AM
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I can't stand Nash. People are in love with the guy because of his size, hands and he skates well. He scores the occasional highlight goal, but his production is nothing to write home about. Definitely the most overrated player in the league. James Neal should be pissed. Duchene Carter is ???? for me. Giroux and St. Louis should bether.

Seabrook off is a tough one as well.

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#39 DrDave
January 07 2014, 10:40AM
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Yzerman didn't read your post about Hall v Duchene I guess.... I feel Hall wasn't even really given that much consideration in the grand scheme of things. I mean TSN didn't even have him listed as a "notable"...

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#40 Sisyphus
January 07 2014, 10:45AM
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Something of note—for Team Canada’s roster—of the 25 players, 22 come from teams in the top half of the standings. The only outliers are Tavares, Weber, and Nash. Hate to say it, but if you play for a team in the bottom half of the league, your chances of making Team Canada plummet. There are a few exceptions, but by and large if you aren’t playing for a good team, and playing well for them, you lack a lot of opportunity to make the Olympic roster.

What this says to me about Hallsy’s chances for 2018, barring a truly miraculous turnaround by the Oilers, is not good. I hope for his sake he could be one of the exceptions, but it’s definitely not a sure thing. And for a guy with his talent level and passion, you’d hate to see him get skipped again because he plays for a joke of an organization.

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#41 Rama Lama
January 07 2014, 10:51AM
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No matter who make these decisions, it's always going to be political and there will always be unhappy people.

What I don't understand is WHY Rick Nash or how Rick Nash made this team? Did I miss something or is there some awkward pictures he has of Stevie Y?

We could have two teams in there. The big ice surface will demand the best skaters and I'm not convinced this team was chosen on that basis?

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#42 They're $hittie
January 07 2014, 10:56AM
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Rondo wrote:

Duchene is one of the fastest skaters in the NHL . When he played last year with Hall for Canada he was clearly the better player. Hall's lack of a 200ft game and no playoff experience hurt him.

Halls team is why he lacks defense. With team Canada defense he will not be exposed.

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#43 Chris
January 07 2014, 11:31AM
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surprises:

left off - St Louis, Giroux included - Nash, Benn, Marleau

I'm not surprised Hall didn't make it. Ithink he should be there as 13 or 14th fwd at teh very least. And I just can't believe he's not included in the notable ommissions. Didn't we just go through Team Canada coming in 4th (WJHC) with a "safe team" and with the "best fit".

Hall hurt by playing for a losing team? WEll Nash starred on those powerhouses in Columbus and NY. And Marleau's SJ Sharks have disappeared in the playoffs as many times as the oilers have missed. But the 2 Memorial Cup winner& MVP doesn't.

How many natural wingers on the team? I count 5 (source NHL.com) and 9 natural centers. I guess knowing how to play wing isn't a consideration. They'll adjust.

I wish them good luck. They going to need it!

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#44 pelhem grenville
January 07 2014, 11:34AM
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...still haven't answered the question Vern

who's your 'leader' on this team

EDIT ... whoever did the last edit on my comment ...wtf

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#45 pelhem grenville
January 07 2014, 11:50AM
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hey Vern... ...with this team I don't believe Canada will even medal at Sochi...

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#46 pelhem grenville
January 07 2014, 11:58AM
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Oilerz4life wrote:

Sorry, I forgot that this is OILERSNATION.COM. What are you the blog police?

...no not the police but if you don't have anything else but donkey things to say (ice dancing) then drop the Oilez4life moniker and go with mister irrelevant instead...

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#47 Will
January 07 2014, 12:04PM
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How in the world Hockey Canada took Nash, Duchene, Carter, and Kunitz over guys like Giroux, Thorton, and Eric Stall. Is simply baffling. Even if you want to make the argument that Kunitz is there to play LW and that's good because all we have is a bunch of centres. How you take Duchene over Eric Stall is just stunning.

I like that they took Boumester over Seabrook as Hitchcock explains the international ice as much more of a lateral game than the vertical one played in the NHL.

Our defence and goal tending should give us a chance for gold as long as the coaches aren't afraid to pull the goalie at the first sign of trouble during the round robin and give the job to whichever 3 is the hottest.

I'm really excited to watch Stamkos and Crosby play on a line together, and to watch the classic Canadian style of hockey whatever line they put together with Toews.

If I was doing line combos it would be: Kunitz Crosby Stamkos Tavaras Getzlaf Perry Benn Toews Nash Sharp Bergeron Carter

Defence I really don't think it matters.

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#48 Time Travelling Sean
January 07 2014, 12:08PM
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What if Crosby gets injured? Or Crosby hits an awful dry streak? Kunitz will be dead weight if that happens.

I'd rather have someone not ride Crosby's coat tails to success but could rather make Crosby better or if Crosby falters pick up the weight himself and help move the team/line.

Nash is getting there on legacy, I'd rather have Giroux on big ice than Nash on big ice.

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#49 john
January 07 2014, 12:09PM
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Team Canada will not win any medal at Sochi, so stop stressing over who made or didn't make the team. Oilers players can rest and relax, start fresh the second half and knock off teams trying to make playoffs.

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#50 Zarny
January 07 2014, 12:51PM
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A-Mc wrote:

So what?

St. Louis had 60, Eric Stall 53 and Taylor hall 50.

Mike Ribeiro had more points than Nash last year, with 49

Giroux had 48, Ladd had 46 and Kadri had 44, Moulson had 44 and Parenteau had 43pts.

Who gives a flying F#ck that Nash had 42 points last season.

With the super stars that comprise Team Canada, Nash is simply "OK". There are definitely better options.

It's simple dumba**...I agree there are better selections than Nash.

Calling Nash "OK" though is flat out idiotic; even with the superstars that comprise Team Canada.

Because the reality is that even though I don't think Nash should have been selected he's on the short list of reserves well ahead of Ladd, Kadri, Moulson, Ribeiro and Parenteau.

It is beyond laughable how dolts like you call a F who probably should 15-16th right now not 12-13th "OK".

LAUGHABLE. Like literally ROFLMAO.

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