WHAT WOULD GAGNER FETCH THESE DAYS?

Lowetide
January 07 2014 07:10PM

TSN reported tonight that the "ask" for Sam Gagner is a top 6 forward, a top 4D or a starting goaltender. What would that look like? 

TRADE FOR ANOTHER GAGNER? TOP 6F

Gagner's contract (just signed this summer) is a $4.8 million dollar cap hit times three seasons (including this one), so there's clearly a need to have him inside the top 6F. The players in Gagner's cap hit range offer an interesting idea about what that kind of money buys you in today's NHL; I think Bryan Little is (45, 14-20-34) a good comparable for Gagner, about the same dollars and their point totals per 82 games march in lock step:

  • Little per 82gp: 21-27-48
  • Gagner per 82gp: 18-32-50

That seems about right, I think Little's current season would give him more value, but Gagner's coming on and has a solid offensive resume despite warts at center.

FANCY STATS COMPARABLES

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The two season comparison from extra skater offers us a unique look at the two players (man, does shooting percentage make a difference) and shows the Corsi for % goes to the Jet.

TOP 4D

 

The Penguins have a ton of young defensemen and prospects, so maybe Gagner to the Pens could work (hat tip to Jonathan Willis for the Lavoie tweet). Could Gagner replace Dupuis?

Among the Pens blue, I really like Kris Letang, but can't imagine the Pens moving him—and of course Gagner's value is not close to Letang's worth despite the difference in cap dollars. Pittsburgh has a lot of defensive prospects, but so does Edmonton, and I don't see a forward match here either. The two teams would have to be creative to get anything done. Do you see a match?

STARTING GOALIE

This is even-strength save percentage, NHL 2013-14. See anyone you like? Martin Jones is an interesting name, as is Ben Scrivens for that matter. Reimer in Toronto has been rumored heading here from time to time, and Jonas Hiller might end up being an Oiler via free agency this summer.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

Chances are Gagner will be dealt after the Olympics to a team in need of offense. I'll guess eastern conference, and will guess that it won't be a goalie. Beyond that, I'm out. Any guesses?

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#51 Sisyphus
January 08 2014, 04:00AM
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camdog wrote:

Gags is low risk for non playoff non cap teams, however he is a high risk for a cup contending playoff team like Pittsburgh. So I guess I agree, with your comment in some respect.

Disagree re non-playoff teams. To me, he's still a pretty high risk to them. Considering how he has been playing this year, his size, his skill level given his age in the league, etc., his next contract is very expensive--and hasnt even begun yet. Add to that the NTC, so that a team that takes a chance on him is effectively totally stuck with him for the next several years, and I just dont see even non-playoff teams having any interest

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#52 Spydyr
January 08 2014, 06:48AM
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Josh Oiler is either Katz, Katz's kid or Lowe. Just not sure which one.

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#53 wintoon
January 08 2014, 08:21AM
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This is once again a case of the Oilers over valuing one of their players. Gagner has a large contract, he's not good enough to play 2C on the worst team in the league, he can't win a face off, he doesn't/can't play defense and has never won a puck battle in his career.

Who in their right mind will make a substantial offer for this type of player?

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#54 Serious Gord
January 08 2014, 09:17AM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Someone looking for a scoring winger. No one said he has to play center!

Hard to see how gagner would be a better winger than he is a centre. Far too small to go and dig pucks, not much of a playmaker. If this were an option with upside i suspect that it would have been tried already.

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#55 The Oilers Shot Clock
January 08 2014, 12:23PM
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If Sam could get 2 legitimate and productive 3rd and 4th liners I'd make that trade. I'd give him to Washington for Chimera and Fehr.

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#56 D
January 07 2014, 07:41PM
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Hope MacT pulls something off LT, but it's hard to see Gagner fetching much of a return.

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#57 RexHolez
January 07 2014, 08:12PM
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Lowetide wrote:

I think the Oilers can't keep doing this losing thing, and any move made this summer has to be with an eye to improving every possible slot on that 23-man roster.

If Jenner does that, then I'm onside.

I'm onboard the Jenner train too! Is there any other recent junior that we can get?? Getting younger should be key for this team

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#58 ToppsSmith
January 07 2014, 08:19PM
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The Reimer thing with Toronto could be a possibility as well, but it would cost more than Dubs and a pick i'm thinking

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#59 Dog Train
January 07 2014, 10:26PM
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If we're looking for a top 6 forward, a top 4 D or a starting goaltender for Gagner, we might be looking for a while. That's just my opinion though, hopefully a team in need of some secondary scoring for their playoff push picks up the phone.

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#60 gongshow
January 07 2014, 11:41PM
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A few random thoughts on moving Gagner...

1) Despite his warts as a center, Gagner is an NHLer. Maybe not a great center, but he has skills and apparently MacT thinks he's got the heart.

2) Who fills the hole down the middle if you move him. With Gags gone, you'd be looking at RNH/Gordon/Arcobello/Lander.

3) Are we at the point that we don't care how badly we get beat this season? I guess MacT hasn't had the pleasure himself of seeing the Oilers ball drop last (first overall) at the draft lottery. It's only so ofter that you get to experience moments like that.

4) After sending Horcoff away, does it make sense to just ship off another center without a backup plan?

5) As an afterthought, what would things look like right now if they had moved Gags and kept Horc instead?

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#61 CaptainLander
January 08 2014, 07:42AM
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I think his worth would be something like Tuomo Ruutu and 4th round.

Umberger or Anisimov maybe??

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#62 Lurkeyson
January 08 2014, 08:44AM
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Zarny wrote:

Gagner is only 24 with 6 years experience. 50 pt per 82 games career average and on pace for 65 pt last year. Very low risk on a short contract with good upside offensively.

A top 6 F or top 4 D is the right value and there will be plenty of interest.

Contenders likely won't give up roster players until after the playoffs. At best you're getting a guy like Simon Despres.

More likely the Oilers are looking at non-playoff teams. Gagner won't get you Weber but perhaps Josi. Erhoff or Myers in Buf. Campbell or Kulikov in Fla. Methot in Ott. Gardiner in Tor. MacDonald in NYI. Byfuglien or Bogosian in Wpg. Yandle or Ekman-Larsson in Phx could be available tho you'd need to package draft picks or prospects too. Larssen or Zajac in NJ.

There are lots of options to move Gagner although likely more after the season finishes.

Oh yeah OEL is definitely available. Cut this guy off

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#63 A-Mc
January 08 2014, 09:03AM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

SAMMY GAGS + 2014 1st round pick FOR: EVANDER KANE

Change that to a 2nd round pick, and i'd look at that!

THe 1st round pick alone will end up being more valuable than Evander Kane

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#64 A-Mc
January 08 2014, 09:28AM
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Gordie Wayne wrote:

Byfglieun is getting a lot of negative press in Winnipeg (and likely warranted):

Time To Dust Dustin

The thing is, even with his current play, he is likely better than most (if not all) of the Oilers defense. The article suggests a trade value of a top six forward and a late pick.

Could we do Gagner and a late pick (I would go as high as a 2nd rounder) for Byfuglien?

If he doesn't work out on defense, we can always put him in our top 6 like Chicago did early in his career?

If that announcement was made: Gagner + 3rd round pick to WPG for D. Byfuglien, I think I'd be ok with it.

I would be ok with it because i truly believe that we already have a centerman capable of playing a more defensively responsible game than Gagner, in Arcobello. Arco wont get as many points and he isn't as heavy as Gagner, but he is already better in almost every other stat and he plays heavier than Gagner.

Byf would bring experience to the group and a heavy body that isn't easily moved off the puck. Considering his defensive gaffes (as reported), i would still be OK with him because the guy we're losing does the same thing.

Throw into the Mix that if the Oilers end up drafting 1/2, there is always that chance that they take Sam Reinhart as the #2 C of the future, and look to sit on the Defensive prospects we already have. ie: Get some D Plugs until Nurse/Klef/Marincin are ready.

Ekblad is likely the best fit for the Oilers at this years draft, but it'll be years before we even see him in the NHL, and another 200-300 NHL games before he's the defenseman we need. While i absolutely think the Oilers would do great in drafting this kid, i think they might pass on him because of the time line. Sam Reinhart could literally come play in EDM next year (or give him 1 year in OKC before he comes up).

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#65 TigerUnderGlass
January 08 2014, 12:39PM
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oilerjed wrote:

And replacing Yak isnt solving any of our problems. He will come around and be a scoring machine but we will still be soft at center and Defence.

I just want to make sure I'm getting the hang of Oiler fandom.

Pacioretty is taller than Yakupov, so this would automatically be a trade win, right?

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#66 DoubleDIon
January 09 2014, 12:59PM
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pkam wrote:

The management didn't get a #1 defenseman didn't mean they didn't try. The problem here is we don't know if they did and who were they went after and what was the asking price. Most teams don't trade away their top pairing defenseman unless they are under performing or becoming UFA and are not willing to resign.

We all know MacT tried very hard to get Cal Clutterbuck and David Clarkson but both of them decided to go somewhere else. Actually, we heard that our offer to Clarkson was more than the Toronto offer. We also heard lots of rumors between the Oilers and Flyers. Who knows what the other side are asking for.

The Smid trade and Perron trade shows that MacT is willing to overpay a little to get what he wants. But if he constantly overpays a lot to UFAs and trades, he is not doing his job properly.

If you didn't get it done you didn't try hard enough. You can't tell me Eberle and your 1st isn't enough to get it done. It definitely is. You pay what you have to when you want to win. Eberle and a 1st gets you the top defenseman from any rebuilding team in the league. Trying and excuses are for losers. Good GM's fill the needs of their team. If MacT offered Clarkson more than the Leafs did he's a braindead idiot. If you think the Perron trade was an overpayment then you don't understand hockey at all. If you think the Smid trade did anything for you at all you don't understand hockey.

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#67 Jamie B.
January 07 2014, 07:36PM
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Wondering what Elliotte meant by a "soft landing". A team which might actually make the playoffs? Somewhere he'd be a big part of the team? Location? (Presumably Ontario ... if it's Calgary I f&%@ing quit.)

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#68 Walter Sobchak
January 07 2014, 08:01PM
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LT

I know I've mention this to you before but not on the nation here.

I know you think that dealing for more youth is bad, however.

I’ve been a huge fan of Boone Jenner since before the 2011 draft & became a fan fanatic at the WJC, I would like to know if a Gagner trade to CBJ could pry Jenner out of CBJ?

I believe this kid to be the real deal, I think as time goes on (next year or two) you’re going to see a real solid two way player emerge, He’s big, he’s fast, ultra-competitive, has good offensive upside but his two way game is what really impresses me, he has a solid frame at 6’2 210 & isn’t afraid to get a little dirty, the perfect future 2C.

I honestly don’t think the Oilers can get a like type trade for Gagner, in fact I can’t see the Oilers winning any trade involving Gagner, certainly not for veteran help, so what should MacTavish do?

I look back to what Sather use to do; he always seemed to find that perfect trade were it involved a veteran for almost developed talent.

This is MacTavish’s only play IMO, he's in a bad way and dealing from a point of weakness, which is all kinds of bad.

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#69 ToppsSmith
January 07 2014, 08:10PM
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If they are going to move SG, now is not the time. His value may go up at deadline for teams looking to make playoffs may need a second to 3rd line guy, or top teams need to add depth. At the moment no one will want to make that big move that is risky unless they don't have a playoff spot either. The only trade I can think of working is SG for Erik Gudbranson from Florida straight up. Sweeten the deal with a 2nd if you feel you need to MacT

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#70 Brian
January 07 2014, 09:02PM
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Danger Pay wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnqaRY00Cug

Buddy, I'm afraid to watch this. I cracked a rib laughing at the last one you posted.

On another note, see Lapierre flick Brad Hunt away like he was a mosquito on his arm, or like he was a 5'6 " Dman (5'9" my ass).

The Blues also like to play the "swarm" but I'm not sure it's the one Eakins had in mind.

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#71 The Fasthest Man Alive
January 07 2014, 09:22PM
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LT, I've heard rumours regarding Adam Henrique as well as Shawn Matthias. Both these names interest me. What's your opinion on either player being available?

Thanks

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#72 reduced2tears
January 07 2014, 09:49PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

ANYWAYS LETS TALK ABOUT SHEA WEBER AND POSSIBLE TRADE SCENARIOS IN ORDER TO LAND HIM.

Who wants to begin?

Petry, Eberle or Yak, and Hemsky. Never going to happen and it will cost either Yak or Eberle. I will say if we went for Weber we would need to keep our #1 to draft another D man. Weber is probably peaking and we will need another Nurse to fill that void in 5 years.

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#73 Jerry
January 07 2014, 10:10PM
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Oilers have lost the most games in regulation in the NHL.

Well done

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#74 TonyT
January 07 2014, 10:20PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

Oh yeah if I'm SHEA Weber is much rather play pro hockey in Nashville Tennessee (sarcasm), than play in HOCKEY MAD EDMONTON ALBERTA.

Have you actually been to Nashville for a game or anything for that matter? I go to a road game every year, and Nashville besides being a great city, easily was one of the best in-game atmospheres I've ever been to. What the fans lack in hockey IQ, they make up for involvement. Not that I work for Nashville tourism, but statements like yours sound just as intelligent as "players won't come to Edmonton because it's cold"...

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#75 Soccer Steve
January 07 2014, 10:43PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

ANYWAYS LETS TALK ABOUT SHEA WEBER AND POSSIBLE TRADE SCENARIOS IN ORDER TO LAND HIM.

Who wants to begin?

You spelled Impossible wrong.

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#76 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 07 2014, 10:52PM
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Lowetide wrote:

The story (specifics of what it'll take to get Gagner out of Edmonton from Oilers pov) warranted an article. I actually hadn't planned on writing on this evening, but decided to when the information came out.

You've got a tough job LT....if I was you I'd just tell OutDorzGuy to take a hike......get it ...OutDorzGuy.....take a hike ......haha.......mind you I'd say take a hike Doucheb*g.....but it wouldn't be as funny cause doucheb*gs don't actually have feet......and you're too polite and professional to reference feminine hygiene products.....so....carry on.

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#77 camdog
January 08 2014, 12:14AM
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If I am the Pens I pretend to be interested in Sam and then trade for Hemsky. If Hemsky works they sign him as a free agent, if he doesn't I let him walk. Pens aren't in a place to have Sam locked up for 3 years at 5 million, too many years on the table.

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#78 ToppsSmith
January 08 2014, 05:50AM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

Oh yeah if I'm SHEA Weber is much rather play pro hockey in Nashville Tennessee (sarcasm), than play in HOCKEY MAD EDMONTON ALBERTA.

Yes I believe he would. Though Nashville isn't doing great this season, I know a few former Oilers who played, and a few other people in the NHL and their worst fear is being traded to Edmonton where they say their career will die. Try to not be a ignorant fan for two seconds and look at it like a player would. Team has been in trouble since 2007, management is... well just read the board. Players you see are visually upset after just about every game, and morale is very low. Having die hard fans in the city is all the team has going for it. If it was any place else besides in Edmonton most likely the team would be bankrupt and have to be moved. Who would waive a no trade to come to this unless they wanted to end their career in their hometown. We can't get Webber. If we do well I guess we will have to give up something like a Hall or Eberle, as that would be the asking price, also his contract would be tough to fit in.

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#79 2004Z06
January 08 2014, 09:10AM
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wintoon wrote:

This is once again a case of the Oilers over valuing one of their players. Gagner has a large contract, he's not good enough to play 2C on the worst team in the league, he can't win a face off, he doesn't/can't play defense and has never won a puck battle in his career.

Who in their right mind will make a substantial offer for this type of player?

Someone looking for a scoring winger. No one said he has to play center!

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#80 Rod from Viking
January 08 2014, 09:24AM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

Gagner and Dubynk for Reimer and a second round pick?

This won't work under the cap, Could the Oilers take Kadri or Franson or Gunderson with Reimer?

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#81 pkam
January 08 2014, 10:50AM
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I really don't understand some fans here.

A few years ago, they wanted Penner's head because Penners only showed up when he liked to, then they turn around and want Byfuglien.

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#82 Spoils
January 08 2014, 10:58AM
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Nobody is untradeable as long as you improve the fit of the team with the trade. think Avs trading all three of their #1 overalls prior to winning Stanley.

Why not package Gagner up with someone else. At this point I would go to Nashville and say - you have great D and need scoring...

Pick one from bucket A and one from bucket B and give us Shea Weber or Seth Jones - your pick.

Bucket A = RNH, THall, Eberle, JSchultz, Yak,

Bucket B = Perron, Gagner, Hemsky, Klefbom,

etc.

No1 D. Pronger styles...

BOLDMOVES time.

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#83 oilerjed
January 08 2014, 11:02AM
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To the many bitter posters who are bagging MacT for his asks, go back to the top of LTs article and start over. "TSN reported tonight that the "ask" for Sam Gagner is a top 6 forward, a top 4D or a starting goaltender."

TSN reported should be your first flag........ They have to say something in their umpteen hours of hockey "reporting" program.

Secondly, the worse the Oilers record gets this year, the less value posters see in our players. Im not an insider for sure but Im willing to bet that this is not how business works in the NHL. Value isnt based on team acheivments but past performance and future speculation. Putting Gags with bigger and better defenders on his line is a sure fire way for him to succeed. So IMO there is plenty of value left for a quality return. Im hoping MacT gets creative and tries to fix two holes with one deal, moving out a couple of players at once.

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#84 pkam
January 08 2014, 12:03PM
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The Oilers Shot Clock wrote:

Montreal must be looking for centers. Briere plays limited minutes and Gally is hurt. Gagner plus Klefbom for Gallagher?

Gagner + Klefbom for Gallagher? Are you a Habs fan?

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#85 Serious Gord
January 08 2014, 12:34PM
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pkam wrote:

Nobody in their right mind should believe we can trade Horcoff for more than a bag of pucks and without getting a bad contract back. I guess MacT should be fired already for asking Philips Larsen + 7th rounder for Horcoff.

Larsen was a bad contract/poor player in return for a worse contract and somewhat better player.

Horcoff has played 41 games this season. Larsen has played 16.

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#86 oilerjed
January 08 2014, 01:04PM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

I just want to make sure I'm getting the hang of Oiler fandom.

Pacioretty is taller than Yakupov, so this would automatically be a trade win, right?

hmm this is an odd inference. I understand your sarcasm but you'd still be better off saving the bytes you consumed with your post until you have something useful to say.

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#87 jake
January 08 2014, 01:33PM
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He got 8 points with Hall and Eberle that night. So I would play him there in the run up to the olympics, and when the injuries start during the tournament, trade him the week after leading up to deadline.

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#88 Strange Tamer
January 08 2014, 08:00PM
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The Little and Gagne comparisons are pretty good. Small, soft forwards with decent offense, but not good enough to play 2C on a good team. Little is a bit more of a scorer though, has potted 30 before.

Thats the type of return we are likely to get for Gagne at this point if we want a 1 for 1 for an established player: small, over paid, and or defensively flawed.

Maybe we could get a perceived flawed player that turns out just needs a change of scenery or is a diamond in the rough, but I wouldn't trust the track record of our pro scouting to accomplish this.

So far MacT has done fairly well in trades. Dumping Horcoff seemed an impossible task without taking back a bad contract, but he accomplished it. Perron deal was best of the year so far. Smid deal looks like a stinker at present, he should of at least explained the reasoning behind it if he wanted cap relief for future moves, etc..., but so far MacT has done alright.

If Gagne is moved it would probably have to be for picks and prospects to maximze value, you are not going to get the top 6 F or top 4 D with size and grit we need for just him at his current value.

I'd like to propose a Gagne for Kreider deal. Slats loves dealing with his former team, also loves offensive skill. Kreider has had his growing pains with the Rangers, but has the speed and size the Oil could use. Change of scenery could benefit both. Rangers might even have to throw in a little something to sweeten the deal.

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#89 Cubro
January 09 2014, 11:37AM
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pkam wrote:

I don't think Tambo/MacT missed the boat at all.

We have inquired about Schneider and Bernier but the price was just too high.

We all know the Canucks asked our 1st and 2nd rounder in 2013 and a high prospects, like Pitlick or Klefbom. I guess if MacT made that trade, you will be here blaming him for overpaying in a bonehead trade.

Leafs had to give a young goalie, a roster player and a 2nd round pick for Bernier. And LA asked for even more from the Oilers because we are in the same conference and division. Not sure if Bernier worth that much after watching his game against the Pens 2 night ago. That performance looked worse than any of Dubnyk's game.

We all knew Tambo made an offer for Bishop, I believe it is Ryan Jones and a draft pick, but Senators preferred a rookie and a pick from Tampa. Most fans said the Sens were crazy to choose the Tampa's offer but how is this Tambo or MacT's fault?

And Elliot? Really? He was traded to Avs by Sens in 2010-11, and Avs decided not to resign him and let him walked UFA. Did you see his performance in Sens and Avs in 2010-11? If you didn't, you can ask some Sens fans or go to NHL.com and watch the game highlight.

So what you're saying is that management did "all they could" to acquire a #1 goalie. Obviously they didnt do good enough, maybe the asking prices were high but in this league you have to make these deals sometimes. Take off your rosy coloured glasses.

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#90 pkam
January 09 2014, 12:48PM
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DoubleDIon wrote:

I think it was reasonable to assume that your goaltending would we averagish. What is inexcusable is not recognizing the surplus of one dimensional offensive guys and dealing Eberle for a top pairing defenseman. Everyone with half a brain could see that the Oilers had no top pairing defensemen. To go into this season without one meant this management still had either no clue or no playoff aspirations. Either way, it's inexcusable.

Gordon was a good start on a shutdown line, but they need another winger to play with him and Jones against other teams top groups.

The management didn't get a #1 defenseman didn't mean they didn't try. The problem here is we don't know if they did and who were they went after and what was the asking price. Most teams don't trade away their top pairing defenseman unless they are under performing or becoming UFA and are not willing to resign.

We all know MacT tried very hard to get Cal Clutterbuck and David Clarkson but both of them decided to go somewhere else. Actually, we heard that our offer to Clarkson was more than the Toronto offer. We also heard lots of rumors between the Oilers and Flyers. Who knows what the other side are asking for.

The Smid trade and Perron trade shows that MacT is willing to overpay a little to get what he wants. But if he constantly overpays a lot to UFAs and trades, he is not doing his job properly.

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#91 vetinari
January 07 2014, 07:36PM
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I can see something shake out with Toronto or Carolina, but multiple pieces would need to be involved, and money would need to balance out. I could also see the Rangers or the Pens being suitable trade partners.

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#92 Saytalk
January 07 2014, 07:48PM
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I actually think Hemsky would be a better fit to replace Dupuis for the Pens, especially if it's as a short-term injury replacement at RW.

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#93 Soccer Steve
January 07 2014, 09:24PM
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Don't have any guesses about his return but we should all remember, not too long ago, that we netted Perron for MPS. Maybe lightning strikes twice with Gagner.

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#94 Walter Sobchak
January 07 2014, 09:41PM
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ToppsSmith wrote:

Because Webber probably won't waive his no trade to go to Edmonton for one, for the second its cap space you would be looking at giving up a RNH or a Eberle for Webber

Weber doesn't have a NTC, it became void when he signed the Flyers offer sheet.

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#95 15w40
January 07 2014, 09:47PM
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ToppsSmith wrote:

Because Webber probably won't waive his no trade to go to Edmonton for one, for the second its cap space you would be looking at giving up a RNH or a Eberle for Webber

I don't believe Weber has a NTC

Already posted - my bad

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#97 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 07 2014, 10:53PM
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Soccer Steve wrote:

You spelled Impossible wrong.

Soccer Steve wins the internet today! That is all.

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#98 camdog
January 08 2014, 12:46AM
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@Zarny

Gags is low risk for non playoff non cap teams, however he is a high risk for a cup contending playoff team like Pittsburgh. So I guess I agree, with your comment in some respect.

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#99 Quinn the Eskimo
January 08 2014, 01:23AM
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ToppsSmith wrote:

Because Webber probably won't waive his no trade to go to Edmonton for one, for the second its cap space you would be looking at giving up a RNH or a Eberle for Webber

And number three is because Josh keeps shouting out names.

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#100 Rod from Viking
January 08 2014, 08:11AM
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Gagner and Dubynk for Reimer and a second round pick?

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