WHAT WOULD GAGNER FETCH THESE DAYS?

Lowetide
January 07 2014 07:10PM

TSN reported tonight that the "ask" for Sam Gagner is a top 6 forward, a top 4D or a starting goaltender. What would that look like? 

TRADE FOR ANOTHER GAGNER? TOP 6F

Gagner's contract (just signed this summer) is a $4.8 million dollar cap hit times three seasons (including this one), so there's clearly a need to have him inside the top 6F. The players in Gagner's cap hit range offer an interesting idea about what that kind of money buys you in today's NHL; I think Bryan Little is (45, 14-20-34) a good comparable for Gagner, about the same dollars and their point totals per 82 games march in lock step:

  • Little per 82gp: 21-27-48
  • Gagner per 82gp: 18-32-50

That seems about right, I think Little's current season would give him more value, but Gagner's coming on and has a solid offensive resume despite warts at center.

FANCY STATS COMPARABLES

12-13

13-14

The two season comparison from extra skater offers us a unique look at the two players (man, does shooting percentage make a difference) and shows the Corsi for % goes to the Jet.

TOP 4D

 

The Penguins have a ton of young defensemen and prospects, so maybe Gagner to the Pens could work (hat tip to Jonathan Willis for the Lavoie tweet). Could Gagner replace Dupuis?

Among the Pens blue, I really like Kris Letang, but can't imagine the Pens moving him—and of course Gagner's value is not close to Letang's worth despite the difference in cap dollars. Pittsburgh has a lot of defensive prospects, but so does Edmonton, and I don't see a forward match here either. The two teams would have to be creative to get anything done. Do you see a match?

STARTING GOALIE

This is even-strength save percentage, NHL 2013-14. See anyone you like? Martin Jones is an interesting name, as is Ben Scrivens for that matter. Reimer in Toronto has been rumored heading here from time to time, and Jonas Hiller might end up being an Oiler via free agency this summer.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

Chances are Gagner will be dealt after the Olympics to a team in need of offense. I'll guess eastern conference, and will guess that it won't be a goalie. Beyond that, I'm out. Any guesses?

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#101 BobbyCanuck
January 08 2014, 09:34AM
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Dog Train wrote:

If we're looking for a top 6 forward, a top 4 D or a starting goaltender for Gagner, we might be looking for a while. That's just my opinion though, hopefully a team in need of some secondary scoring for their playoff push picks up the phone.

This is actually a slightly redacted quote, they missed the part 'top 6 forward, a top 4 D' the rest of it was from the AHL, as opposed to NHL level top 6F or top 4D . I think that trade maybe doable

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#102 Lochenzo
January 08 2014, 09:59AM
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CBJ: Columbus is skill deficient, especially when Gaborik is out of the lineup. That James Wisniewski contract doesn't look as bad as it used to with prices going up. RJ Umberger is also a name that we've heard before.

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#103 Truth
January 08 2014, 10:45AM
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Oohhh fantasy trades.

Gagner, Eberle, and a pick or defensive prospect for Evander Kane and Byfuglien.

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#104 The Oilers Shot Clock
January 08 2014, 12:12PM
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I doubt it's enough from Montreals perspective.

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#105 oilerjed
January 08 2014, 12:20PM
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Truth wrote:

Yak for Pacioretty and a pick.

Pacioretty has taken a little heat in Montreal, Yak gets a lot of heat in Edmonton. Yak has a higher upside. If I was Montreal I would like the idea of Galchenyuk and Yak back together.

And replacing Yak isnt solving any of our problems. He will come around and be a scoring machine but we will still be soft at center and Defence.

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#106 Ed in Edmonton
January 08 2014, 12:35PM
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Perhaps MacT is just asking high and seeing what interest is out there. Gagner will be very difficult to move for anything of value.

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#107 2004Z06
January 08 2014, 12:59PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Hard to see how gagner would be a better winger than he is a centre. Far too small to go and dig pucks, not much of a playmaker. If this were an option with upside i suspect that it would have been tried already.

He was a winger when he entered the league and coincidentally his best season in points. He may not be big, or win a lot of puck battles, but he is fast enough to get in on the fore-check and as a winger, he doesn't need to be the playmaker. The center is usually the playmaker. It also alleviates the defensive responsibilities and the face off requirements from his game.

He will be traded, he will become a winger on a line with some size, strength and defensive prowess to offset his and he will produce 50 points a year on a second line.

It just won't be and shouldn't be here.

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#108 2004Z06
January 08 2014, 01:05PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Larsen was a bad contract/poor player in return for a worse contract and somewhat better player.

Horcoff has played 41 games this season. Larsen has played 16.

How is Larsen's contract bad? Have you seen the numbers? Of course Horcoff is a better player than Larsen, he has how many NHL games under his belt compared to Larsen.

You are missing the point entirely. EVERYONE agreed dumping Horcoff's contract was impossible and if it could be done, the Oilers would have to retain salary.

The fact that Mac T didn't have to eat salary and received a prospect + pick on top is sheer genius!

The fact that the prospect and/or pick may not pan out is irrelevant.

He essentially got something for nothing.

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#109 Truth
January 08 2014, 01:08PM
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@TigerUnderGlass

Who do you take on your team, and why?

Michael Ryder: 33 yo, 6'1", 200 lbs - 69G previous 3 seasons

Max Pacioretty: 25 yo, 6'2", 217 lbs - 62G previous 3 seasons

David Backes: 29 yo, 6'3", 225 lbs - 61G previous 3 seasons

Michael Grabner: 26 yo, 6', 185 lbs - 70G previous 3 seasons.

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#110 Sisyphus
January 08 2014, 01:36PM
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The Oilers Shot Clock wrote:

If Sam could get 2 legitimate and productive 3rd and 4th liners I'd make that trade. I'd give him to Washington for Chimera and Fehr.

No chance in h3ll McPhee bites on that deal. The last thing WAS wants is a small, ineffective forward who is easily pushed around. Anyways, WAS needs a 1st line LW, and unless Hall is on the table coming back to WAS, I don't see them having any interest in what we have to offer. And since we all know Hall is going nowhere, its a non-starter

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#111 Serious Gord
January 08 2014, 02:37PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

How is Larsen's contract bad? Have you seen the numbers? Of course Horcoff is a better player than Larsen, he has how many NHL games under his belt compared to Larsen.

You are missing the point entirely. EVERYONE agreed dumping Horcoff's contract was impossible and if it could be done, the Oilers would have to retain salary.

The fact that Mac T didn't have to eat salary and received a prospect + pick on top is sheer genius!

The fact that the prospect and/or pick may not pan out is irrelevant.

He essentially got something for nothing.

Dallas took on 7 mill of salary when they took Horcoff and got a serviceable third liner.

Edmonton took on 2.2 mill of salary for an AHLer.

So Dallas gets two years for 2.4/yr. not great. But not bad either.

MacT didn't win on the trade and he didn't lose. Horcoff is worth about that. And that he comes with a higher cap hit is a good thing as far are Dallas as concerned as it gives them some altitude above the floor. So in effect he ate thirty percent of the contract. And a seventh rounder should not be considered a prospect of any value. If I remember correctly that's the last round of the draft and Dallas likely will be somewhere in the middle so that player will be the 15th LAST person drafted - that's usually reserved for drafting friends and relatives kids... Maybe Katz has nephew who is draft age...

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#112 Death Metal Nightmare
January 09 2014, 05:06AM
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pretty hilarious how over the years the media/bloggers were saying, "Gagner is good. he's still only X years old. Just wait, he has the potential for 70 points. just wait. just wait." then he has a so-so HALF SEASON last year and everyone is fully on board with him being a main offensive weapon in the top 6 and supported the ridiculous contract. couple months later almost the entire fan base is against him and the media is acting like all their BS prophecies never existed.

"i remain smart, and can still see through everything. read my bullcrap. love, blogger"

no.

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#113 DoubleDIon
January 09 2014, 12:22PM
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@2004Z06

I think it was reasonable to assume that your goaltending would we averagish. What is inexcusable is not recognizing the surplus of one dimensional offensive guys and dealing Eberle for a top pairing defenseman. Everyone with half a brain could see that the Oilers had no top pairing defensemen. To go into this season without one meant this management still had either no clue or no playoff aspirations. Either way, it's inexcusable.

Gordon was a good start on a shutdown line, but they need another winger to play with him and Jones against other teams top groups.

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#114 pkam
January 09 2014, 12:32PM
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Cubro wrote:

So what you're saying is that management did "all they could" to acquire a #1 goalie. Obviously they didnt do good enough, maybe the asking prices were high but in this league you have to make these deals sometimes. Take off your rosy coloured glasses.

Why we always have to pay more than other teams to get a player? Why Devils can get Schneider with a 9th overall, and we can't get him for a 7th overall, and even with an additional 37th overall?

So paying a lot more to get a player means doing a good enough job?

And when we did overpay (Smid for a goalie prospect) and you guys are all over MacT.

Damn you do and Damn you don't, right?

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#115 pkam
January 09 2014, 01:52PM
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DoubleDIon wrote:

If you didn't get it done you didn't try hard enough. You can't tell me Eberle and your 1st isn't enough to get it done. It definitely is. You pay what you have to when you want to win. Eberle and a 1st gets you the top defenseman from any rebuilding team in the league. Trying and excuses are for losers. Good GM's fill the needs of their team. If MacT offered Clarkson more than the Leafs did he's a braindead idiot. If you think the Perron trade was an overpayment then you don't understand hockey at all. If you think the Smid trade did anything for you at all you don't understand hockey.

I know for sure that Eberle + our 1st are not enough for Weber. I also heard rumor that they inquired about Yandle and Eberle + our 1st are not enough. The rumor is Coyotes asked Eberle + 1st + 2nd + a top prospect. I also heard they inquire about JBo but he refused to come to Edmonton. Perhaps we can get Ehrhoff with Eberle + 1st but I won't pay that much for Ehrhoff.

Am I glad MacT didn't try hard enough to get Clarkson, you bet. Am I glad MacT didn't give Eberle + 1st + 2nd + a top prospect for Yandle, you bet. I will feel bad if MacT give Eberle + 1st for Ehrhoff. And I did feel bad for the Smid trade.

NYI did try hard enough to get Vanek. Not sure how their fans feel about it now.

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#116 Eberle4MVP
January 09 2014, 03:33PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

NAIL YAKUPOV + 2015 1st round pick for SHEA WEBER

You make retarded trade proposals, but how the hell is this getting so many trashes? Shea Webber for Yakupov and a 1st round draft pick in 18months from now?.... YES PLEASE!!!

jesus, id throw in this years first round pick (likely first overall), or Klefbom or whoever the hell Nashville wanted!

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#118 oilcountryforlife
January 07 2014, 10:58PM
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outdoorzguy wrote:

This clip was posted in another article the other day. Reruns!!

Fricken hilarious video....first time I've laughed as an Oilers fan in two months.

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#119 Fresh Mess
January 08 2014, 07:28AM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

ANYWAYS LETS TALK ABOUT SHEA WEBER AND POSSIBLE TRADE SCENARIOS IN ORDER TO LAND HIM.

Who wants to begin?

A bit rough around the edges, but you are on the verge of being something special. Keep working on your craft. This post was a glimpse of your talent.

The picture and screen name are brilliant.

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#120 Gordie Wayne
January 08 2014, 08:22AM
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Byfglieun is getting a lot of negative press in Winnipeg (and likely warranted):

Time To Dust Dustin

The thing is, even with his current play, he is likely better than most (if not all) of the Oilers defense. The article suggests a trade value of a top six forward and a late pick.

Could we do Gagner and a late pick (I would go as high as a 2nd rounder) for Byfuglien?

If he doesn't work out on defense, we can always put him in our top 6 like Chicago did early in his career?

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#121 mayorblaine
January 08 2014, 09:43AM
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i'd like to propose a trade of JOSH OILER and Mike Krushelnyski for a realistic dream and single post bot. i think it's fair.

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#122 Threepack
January 08 2014, 09:53AM
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Charisma Carpenter is all kinds of gorgeous. Thank you very much, Lowetide.

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#123 Fish
January 08 2014, 10:16AM
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Straight up to Pens for O Matta or Gags Plus 2nd to Buf for Ehroff or to the Jets for Dustin Byfug.

My dream trade however is for Harmonic from the Isle. Maybe Gagner, and Marincine get it done? Maybe add in a 2nd? I'm okay if we overpay a little here.

If we got him our Right side is solid with him in the one slot, Petry and Schutlz to take the rest of the minutes. Respectable D core that is still pretty young and can stay together for awhile.

Then try to finagle Ehrhoff to take care of the 1LD slot with Ferrence, and Nurse (or Klefbom) playing clean up next year, whichever is more ready, and let the other ripen. It might cost a Klefbom to get an Ehrhoff though.

Draft Sam R. with our first overall and he takes up our 2nd C position.

I think that reasonably fixes the D, and rounds out the top 6 nicely.

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#124 pkam
January 08 2014, 10:26AM
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Bucknuck wrote:

Boy, Oilersnation has been a cesspit of negativity lately. Wow.

I see the Maple Leafs as a good match. They are not performing as well as some people expected them to, so there could be an appetite to move a player.

I think I would be OK with Clarkson and Reimer for Gagner and Dubnyk, providing Clarkson would waive his NTC. He's having a terrible season, but I think it's an aberration.

I don't understand why some people think Gagner's contract is bad, then they suggest to acquire Clarkson.

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#125 Danger Pay
January 08 2014, 10:29AM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

NAIL YAKUPOV + 2015 1st round pick for SHEA WEBER

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM-7Ts-3wmY

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#126 TeddyTurnbuckle
January 08 2014, 10:53AM
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If that's the asking price he will never be moved. Be lucky if we got a third liner for him. Maybe a late first rounder.

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#127 pkam
January 08 2014, 11:28AM
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Spoils wrote:

Nobody is untradeable as long as you improve the fit of the team with the trade. think Avs trading all three of their #1 overalls prior to winning Stanley.

Why not package Gagner up with someone else. At this point I would go to Nashville and say - you have great D and need scoring...

Pick one from bucket A and one from bucket B and give us Shea Weber or Seth Jones - your pick.

Bucket A = RNH, THall, Eberle, JSchultz, Yak,

Bucket B = Perron, Gagner, Hemsky, Klefbom,

etc.

No1 D. Pronger styles...

BOLDMOVES time.

Easy choice for Poile.

Hall + Perron for Jones.

Hall was 1st overall 4 years ago. Despite playing off position for a few games to start the season, he is now 4th LW in PPG, although his team is 2nd last in standing. Not to mention his 6+ years left in his 6M contract, one of the best contracts you can find.

Jones is just a rookie, although he has a lot of potential, it is just potential.

We have a pretty good chance to draft Ekblad this year, why would we want to give up Hall + Perron for Jones? Is Jones really that much better than Aaron Ekblad?

I hope MacT is not that naive.

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#128 pkam
January 08 2014, 11:51AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

If MacT wants that much for gagner he should be fired.

No team in their right mind is valuing gagner as a net positive asset. That MacT so grossly overvalued him must make him a laughing stock among the GMs (the third in a row).

Lowetide that you would even post at length possible trades makes me shake my head...

Nobody in their right mind should believe we can trade Horcoff for more than a bag of pucks and without getting a bad contract back. I guess MacT should be fired already for asking Philips Larsen + 7th rounder for Horcoff.

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#129 pkam
January 08 2014, 01:06PM
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The Oilers Shot Clock wrote:

I doubt it's enough from Montreals perspective.

I guess nothing, not even Hall, will be enough from Montreals perspective.

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#130 pkam
January 08 2014, 01:16PM
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The Oilers Shot Clock wrote:

If Sam could get 2 legitimate and productive 3rd and 4th liners I'd make that trade. I'd give him to Washington for Chimera and Fehr.

I have no doubt you will. And I am glad you are not the Oilers GM or I'll lose my faith in Oilers much sooner.

I don't agree with all the moves MacT made, but not one he made that I disagree more than this.

Being said that, this is a much better suggestion than the previous one.

Honestly, I doubt the Caps will trade Chimera and Fehr for Gallagher, but I believe they will do it for Gagner, even without Klefbom.

So you still think Gagner + Klefbom is not quite enough for Gallagher?

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#131 A-Mc
January 08 2014, 01:18PM
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Truth wrote:

Who do you take on your team, and why?

Michael Ryder: 33 yo, 6'1", 200 lbs - 69G previous 3 seasons

Max Pacioretty: 25 yo, 6'2", 217 lbs - 62G previous 3 seasons

David Backes: 29 yo, 6'3", 225 lbs - 61G previous 3 seasons

Michael Grabner: 26 yo, 6', 185 lbs - 70G previous 3 seasons.

I'd be all over Backes!

Big. Is a Captain. Has some Jam, can score and he plays Center! He also has a wicked snipe, in-case you hadn't noticed.

Backes would be awesome for the Oilers!

***edit*** Just to be clear: we're talking who would we take 1-1 for Yakupov, right? I'd trade YakAttack for David Backes for sure but i dont think there is any hope in hell that St. Louis would even CONSIDER that trade. Yak doesnt bring enough to the table.. atleast not until he has a 30 goal season

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#132 shaddup
January 08 2014, 01:57PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

NAIL YAKUPOV + 2015 1st round pick for SHEA WEBER

Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny for Sid Crosby

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#133 2004Z06
January 08 2014, 03:13PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Dallas took on 7 mill of salary when they took Horcoff and got a serviceable third liner.

Edmonton took on 2.2 mill of salary for an AHLer.

So Dallas gets two years for 2.4/yr. not great. But not bad either.

MacT didn't win on the trade and he didn't lose. Horcoff is worth about that. And that he comes with a higher cap hit is a good thing as far are Dallas as concerned as it gives them some altitude above the floor. So in effect he ate thirty percent of the contract. And a seventh rounder should not be considered a prospect of any value. If I remember correctly that's the last round of the draft and Dallas likely will be somewhere in the middle so that player will be the 15th LAST person drafted - that's usually reserved for drafting friends and relatives kids... Maybe Katz has nephew who is draft age...

And conversely Edmonton shed the FULL cap hit of 5.5 x 3 years remaining on Horcoff's deal in a season when the cap went down. I think you are forgetting that important fact.

Mac T definitely won the trade from a financial perspective. I also said the pick and the prospect (which is all I consider Larsen at this point) was irrelevant.

The bottom line is he freed up 14.3 (subtracting Larsens 2.2)mil in cap space for a player that it was generally agreed would cost us money to get rid of.

How you see this is a negative is beyond me!

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#134 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 08 2014, 03:34PM
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Truth wrote:

Who do you take on your team, and why?

Michael Ryder: 33 yo, 6'1", 200 lbs - 69G previous 3 seasons

Max Pacioretty: 25 yo, 6'2", 217 lbs - 62G previous 3 seasons

David Backes: 29 yo, 6'3", 225 lbs - 61G previous 3 seasons

Michael Grabner: 26 yo, 6', 185 lbs - 70G previous 3 seasons.

Of this list I would take Backes. Perfect combination of size, toughness, skill and character for the Oilers needs. At 29 he's got at least 4-5 good years left in him.

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#135 pkam
January 08 2014, 03:39PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Dallas took on 7 mill of salary when they took Horcoff and got a serviceable third liner.

Edmonton took on 2.2 mill of salary for an AHLer.

So Dallas gets two years for 2.4/yr. not great. But not bad either.

MacT didn't win on the trade and he didn't lose. Horcoff is worth about that. And that he comes with a higher cap hit is a good thing as far are Dallas as concerned as it gives them some altitude above the floor. So in effect he ate thirty percent of the contract. And a seventh rounder should not be considered a prospect of any value. If I remember correctly that's the last round of the draft and Dallas likely will be somewhere in the middle so that player will be the 15th LAST person drafted - that's usually reserved for drafting friends and relatives kids... Maybe Katz has nephew who is draft age...

Huh? Where do you get your number?

Larsen will be a RFA at the end of this season. So he has only one year left in his contract at 1.025M cap hit and 1.15M actual salary.

So 1.025M for a 3rd pair defenseman who has 6 pts in 16G is a bad contract? He has 7 pts in 7 games in OKC, leads all our defenseman in scoring in OKC. And best PPG among all our NHL defenseman.

Using your logic, Dallas is paying Horcoff almost 6M actual salary and 10M cap space over 2 years.

And using your logic again, we are getting paid 3M salary and 4.5M cap for a 3rd pair defenseman who leads all our defense in PPG. And that is a bad contract?

And MacT turned around and signed a better 3rd line center in Gordon who is younger, better in FO and PPG than Horcoff, with less salary and cap hit.

And your conclusion is fortunately MacT didn't lose this trade. I guess MacT should just take that 7th rounder and refuse to take Larsen.

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#136 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 08 2014, 03:40PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

And conversely Edmonton shed the FULL cap hit of 5.5 x 3 years remaining on Horcoff's deal in a season when the cap went down. I think you are forgetting that important fact.

Mac T definitely won the trade from a financial perspective. I also said the pick and the prospect (which is all I consider Larsen at this point) was irrelevant.

The bottom line is he freed up 14.3 (subtracting Larsens 2.2)mil in cap space for a player that it was generally agreed would cost us money to get rid of.

How you see this is a negative is beyond me!

It was a win- win which is the objective of most GMs.

And it was a classic example of how a successful trade is not about fleecing the other guy or about just talent for talent...it's usually situational....like this one.. Multiple pieces coming together to make it right for both teams. Situational also in this sense.....What's the value of James Reimer?.....well if your the Edmonton Oilers the value may be quite high.....if you're the Anaheim Ducks...not so much.

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#137 pkam
January 08 2014, 04:04PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

And conversely Edmonton shed the FULL cap hit of 5.5 x 3 years remaining on Horcoff's deal in a season when the cap went down. I think you are forgetting that important fact.

Mac T definitely won the trade from a financial perspective. I also said the pick and the prospect (which is all I consider Larsen at this point) was irrelevant.

The bottom line is he freed up 14.3 (subtracting Larsens 2.2)mil in cap space for a player that it was generally agreed would cost us money to get rid of.

How you see this is a negative is beyond me!

Horcoff has only 2 years, not 3 left in his contract.

And Larsen has only 1 year, not 2 left in his contract.

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#138 Jakethesnake
January 08 2014, 04:09PM
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WOW Things are getting crazy on here Edmonton must have some of the dumbest fans around

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#139 BIGDAWG
January 08 2014, 04:34PM
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Its awesome on how Tambo/Mac T missed the boat on getting a goalie.. Schneider, Bishop, Bernier, Elliot, any one would be nice...

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#140 pkam
January 08 2014, 04:42PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Dallas took on 7 mill of salary when they took Horcoff and got a serviceable third liner.

Edmonton took on 2.2 mill of salary for an AHLer.

So Dallas gets two years for 2.4/yr. not great. But not bad either.

MacT didn't win on the trade and he didn't lose. Horcoff is worth about that. And that he comes with a higher cap hit is a good thing as far are Dallas as concerned as it gives them some altitude above the floor. So in effect he ate thirty percent of the contract. And a seventh rounder should not be considered a prospect of any value. If I remember correctly that's the last round of the draft and Dallas likely will be somewhere in the middle so that player will be the 15th LAST person drafted - that's usually reserved for drafting friends and relatives kids... Maybe Katz has nephew who is draft age...

Just want to make 2 more points in response to your comment.

Dallas really didn't have to get help to reach the salary floor when the cap was reduced to 64M after the new CBA.

Taking about 7th round picks, our latest 7th rounder drafted in 2013, Greg Chase at 18 years old is the leading scorer in Calgary Hitman and 12th in WHL, putting up 49 pts in 40 games. Not sure how he is related to Katz though.

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#141 Johnnydapunk
January 08 2014, 05:42PM
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BIGDAWG wrote:

Its awesome on how Tambo/Mac T missed the boat on getting a goalie.. Schneider, Bishop, Bernier, Elliot, any one would be nice...

I don't know if they missed the boat so much as it was a bit pricey to get on said boat.

It seems like he tried to get one of the goalies listed, but the "cost" was too high, and then he had hoped that Dubnyk could at least have a relatively decent season and then they can search for a UFA in the summer as there are quite a few available.

The Oil are giving up a comedy number of shots and as much as goaltending has been an issue (which it is for sure) I think that the shocking defence is also a massive issue that needs to be addressed as well.

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#142 nick
January 08 2014, 06:51PM
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The Oilers Shot Clock wrote:

If Sam could get 2 legitimate and productive 3rd and 4th liners I'd make that trade. I'd give him to Washington for Chimera and Fehr.

Nice try but Chimera hates MacTavish with a passion. Would never happen

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#143 2004Z06
January 08 2014, 09:47PM
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pkam wrote:

Horcoff has only 2 years, not 3 left in his contract.

And Larsen has only 1 year, not 2 left in his contract.

Thanks for the correction on the numbers, but the premise of my point stands.

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#144 pkam
January 09 2014, 09:56AM
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BIGDAWG wrote:

Its awesome on how Tambo/Mac T missed the boat on getting a goalie.. Schneider, Bishop, Bernier, Elliot, any one would be nice...

I don't think Tambo/MacT missed the boat at all.

We have inquired about Schneider and Bernier but the price was just too high.

We all know the Canucks asked our 1st and 2nd rounder in 2013 and a high prospects, like Pitlick or Klefbom. I guess if MacT made that trade, you will be here blaming him for overpaying in a bonehead trade.

Leafs had to give a young goalie, a roster player and a 2nd round pick for Bernier. And LA asked for even more from the Oilers because we are in the same conference and division. Not sure if Bernier worth that much after watching his game against the Pens 2 night ago. That performance looked worse than any of Dubnyk's game.

We all knew Tambo made an offer for Bishop, I believe it is Ryan Jones and a draft pick, but Senators preferred a rookie and a pick from Tampa. Most fans said the Sens were crazy to choose the Tampa's offer but how is this Tambo or MacT's fault?

And Elliot? Really? He was traded to Avs by Sens in 2010-11, and Avs decided not to resign him and let him walked UFA. Did you see his performance in Sens and Avs in 2010-11? If you didn't, you can ask some Sens fans or go to NHL.com and watch the game highlight.

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#145 pkam
January 09 2014, 09:57AM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Thanks for the correction on the numbers, but the premise of my point stands.

Doesn't hurt to get the number right, does it?

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#146 2004Z06
January 09 2014, 10:51AM
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pkam wrote:

Doesn't hurt to get the number right, does it?

I believe I said thank you for the correction. Are you now rubbing it in?

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I know we are all tired of Weber trade offers on ON, but I have a deal that I think makes sense for all involved. Here's my thought process:

Oilers desperately need a #1D (Weber), but no way Nashville gives him up without getting someone who can go some way to replacing Weber on D. Since the Oil do not have anyone like that, we go for a three-way trade and get Buffalo to send Erhoff (I know he has a NTC but if I was him I would flee Buffalo right now). To pry Erhoff from Buffalo we send over Petry (to go some way in replacing Erhoff) plus our first in this year's draft. Seems to me like an overpayment, so we also ask to get, say, a top 9F (M. Foligno?) from Buffalo as well. Then we send Eberle to Nashville to get Weber, and Nashville gets the first line sniper they badly need. Also noteworthy: some buzz was made at the start of the season when Jones was forced to his off-side to play with Weber, and Erhoff allows Jones to go back to his natural side.

To recap:

To Nashville: Eberle Ehroff

To Edmonton: Weber Top-9 Forward

To Buffalo: Petry Oiler's 2014 First Round Pick

A final note: the deal would be done after the season, so that Edmonton's pick would be most likely to retain its value.

Thoughts?

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#148 loweblows
January 09 2014, 11:41AM
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Jakethesnake wrote:

WOW Things are getting crazy on here Edmonton must have some of the dumbest fans around

Were not dumb. Insane yes.

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#149 DoubleDIon
January 09 2014, 11:53AM
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pkam wrote:

Gagner + Klefbom for Gallagher? Are you a Habs fan?

That would be an outright theft for you guys. Klefbom has potential, but he's struggling at the AHL level, while Gallagher is starring at the NHL level. He's a 200 foot player. Gagner doesn't have any trade value unless it's negative. No one wants a 4.8 million dollar liability. The piece you should be trading is Eberle, he'll never have more value than he does right now. Hang on to Yak and Gagner until they rebound, then deal their asses too. Hall and RNH are the building blocks. They shouldn't be traded for anything but a huge overpay.

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armchair GMing wrote:

I know we are all tired of Weber trade offers on ON, but I have a deal that I think makes sense for all involved. Here's my thought process:

Oilers desperately need a #1D (Weber), but no way Nashville gives him up without getting someone who can go some way to replacing Weber on D. Since the Oil do not have anyone like that, we go for a three-way trade and get Buffalo to send Erhoff (I know he has a NTC but if I was him I would flee Buffalo right now). To pry Erhoff from Buffalo we send over Petry (to go some way in replacing Erhoff) plus our first in this year's draft. Seems to me like an overpayment, so we also ask to get, say, a top 9F (M. Foligno?) from Buffalo as well. Then we send Eberle to Nashville to get Weber, and Nashville gets the first line sniper they badly need. Also noteworthy: some buzz was made at the start of the season when Jones was forced to his off-side to play with Weber, and Erhoff allows Jones to go back to his natural side.

To recap:

To Nashville: Eberle Ehroff

To Edmonton: Weber Top-9 Forward

To Buffalo: Petry Oiler's 2014 First Round Pick

A final note: the deal would be done after the season, so that Edmonton's pick would be most likely to retain its value.

Thoughts?

Well thought out. If Nashville wants to move the Weber contract that's a move that makes sense. They get a scorer which is a huge need for them and plug the Weber hole with a 2/3 type of guy. I think the top 9 forward could be the difference in value. Probably depends who it is and is would have to come from Buffalo.

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