IF THERE'S EVER A CONCERN: HANDS ON

Robin Brownlee
January 08 2014 02:18PM

 

 

Frustration within the passionate and loyal fan base of the Edmonton Oilers is growing by the day and by the loss with the Oilers destined to miss the playoffs for an eighth straight season. Rightfully so.

Much of that frustration -- again, rightfully so -- is being directed at Kevin Lowe, the team's former GM who is now owner Daryl Katz's president of hockey operations. There was a sign of that, literally, at Rexall Place during Tuesday's 5-2 loss to the St. Louis Blues. A fan sitting front row displayed a cardboard sign that read: "Fire Kevin Lowe."

The frustration directed toward Lowe is, in large part, because of the perception that, while he's been bumped out of the hot seat and into the background publicly in his position by Katz, he's still had his fingerprints all over player personnel decisions – trades and free agent signings -- made by former GM Steve Tambellini and now Craig MacTavish.

Actually, perception is the wrong word. Lowe confirmed his participation in the decision-making process Tuesday during a wide-ranging interview on the Jason Gregor Show on TSN 1260. While Lowe didn't get specific about how much influence he has, it's obvious he's hands-on – we're not talking about the façade of the "senior advisor" position Pat Quinn was dumped in.

Lowe has been, as has been noted before, the one constant in Edmonton's front office through these eight years of ineptitude and losing dating back to the 2006 Stanley Cup final, and beyond.

WHAT HE SAID

Gregor asked Lowe what role he played as POHO in the decision-making process with Tambellini and now MacTavish.

"I would say that uh, that uh . . . really, it's a tough, tough question," Lowe said. "Craig is the general manager, as was Steve Tambellini. They go about their business and shop around the NHL with the scouting staff and collectively throughout the organization try to come up with ways to make the hockey club better, whether it's signing a player or trading a player or what have you.

"At the end of the way, when those recommendations or when those ideas come up, Craig will talk to me and get my feelings on it and you know . . . we talk enough over the course of the season that I generally know where he's going on things and, you know, there's an owner that has to make a call in terms of whether you're going to spend the money for a free agent or trade an asset that's been part of the organization for a while, so there's a collective decision being made.

"I mean, if there's any concern that our people can't make decisions without me endorsing them, then that's not accurate. We've always had a, taken the approach from the day that I took over as general manager that we're collectively going to make decisions – not that it's a purely democratic process, but it's wise of you to involve as many people in your organization when you are making decisions.

"It's not a fiefdom where one person says, 'No, this is what we're going to do.' It's a collective group decision on any strategy that the hockey team is going to make. It's not easy. We've been in this rebuild and it's incredibly frustrating for everyone. The fans should know that, for the people that are running the show they are probably, I don't even know if you can compare it, but in terms of frustration, it's incredibly frustrating, but we're in it. We are where we are.

"The only thing we can do is continue to work hard and believe that, in time, if we've done the drafting we hope we've done and we are patient with the young players that they're going to become the players we expect them to be and it'll result in a, you know, positive and exciting hockey team."

(Photo via @quickone1 on Twitter)

STARTS AT THE TOP

Lowe was at the top of Edmonton's management food chain as GM for eight seasons – he had nobody to answer to in hockey operations decisions, except ownership, until he was moved to POHO in July 2008. Essentially, anybody Lowe huddled with when making decisions as the GM was an underling – an assistant GM, members of his scouting staff or coaches. It stands to reason Lowe's opinion carried more weight than anybody else's did.

Was that the case during Tambellini's troubled and indecisive tenure in Lowe's former position? I don't know for sure, but I doubt it. Is that the case now with MacTavish? No way. Still, you'd have to be a fool to think Lowe doesn't carry considerable swing in every hockey decision made now.

Simply put, Lowe had more say than anybody else in the organization in building the Oilers from 2000 to 2008 as GM. At the very least, he has had considerable influence in hockey decisions made since then. That's a span of command and influence approaching 14 seasons.

Draw your own conclusions.

Listen to Robin Brownlee Wednesdays and Thursdays from 3 p.m. to 5 p.m. on the Jason Gregor Show on TEAM 1260.

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#51 **
January 08 2014, 03:58PM
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@BigE91

makes you wonder indeed. would be interesting to see if Klowe ever gets the boot, how the other GMS change their willingness to make deals with Edmonton.

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#52 HOFFFF
January 08 2014, 04:01PM
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The Krueger Factor

A real underrated ingredient for Team Canada has been the presence of Ralph Krueger as a consultant to the coaching staff. “A huge assistance, real smart,” Team Canada coach Mike Babcock told ESPN.com on Tuesday. Babcock said Krueger was going to join him for three Red Wings games in the next week starting in San Jose on Thursday to update him on what he’s picked up overseas ahead of the Olympics. The Canadian coaching staff as a whole has raved about his impact since last summer. Krueger was coach of the Swiss national team for a dozen years, from 1998 through 2010, and his experience with the international game already has proved immeasurable to the Canadian coaches. Krueger has been central in consulting Canada’s transition to the larger international ice surface, but he’s also been key in other areas, as relayed to ESPN.com Wednesday by Team Canada assistant coach Ken Hitchcock:

I miss Ralph...

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#53 **
January 08 2014, 04:02PM
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W wrote:

You have to give Lowe full marks for being on the show. He is a courageous, bright, passionate man who loves the Oilers and will be successful in the end! Winning or losing is a group and team effort, leave Mr. Lowe alone! He is not the problem nor is Mr. MacTavish or Mr.Eakins!

"They see me Trollin' they hatin'"

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#54 Dallylamma
January 08 2014, 04:02PM
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Drunk Farmer wrote:

The arrogance of this front office, KLowe specifically, is absolutely disgusting. The brain trust who got us where we are right now, are back together to continue this path of disgrace. (Howson, MacT, Lowe). I seem to remember this combination of hockey acumen once stating that Robert Neilson was someone who you could build a franchise around. Our pipeline of prospects has been a complete bust until recent time, and we not sure how the new crop are going to develop. Maybe some problems as an organization in developing talent? I think that record speaks for itself

I actually would not have any problem with MacT as GM, but under the current circumstances I believe that a wholesale change of management is necessary. Lowe at the very least should get the axe if not for at least the appearance of some accountability.

As a side note to the state of our beloved Oilers; we have season tickets in the family, and have had for 15 years. There was once upon a time where arguments were had on who got which tickets and who got to go to the games. The argument now is who wants to drive the hour each way to sit through another boring mediocre hockey game and listen to the same post game comments and bogus trade scenarios on the long quiet drive home in -30 weather in mid-January. There once was a list of friends who would gladly take the tickets off our hands if we couldn’t make it. Some would actually offer money in exchange for a night of entertainment. Now, there are literally games that I cannot give my tickets away for. “I will watch at home tonight”, “It’s too cold”, “Roads are crappy”, “Phoenix… seriously, maybe next time” are all excuses not to take free tickets to an Oilers game this year.

I am not entirely sure where the future of our franchise is heading, but being the laughing stock of the NHL is starting to become a little tired. Not sure what the answer is but… I won minor hockey week in 1996 with the K of C tier II midgets if there is ever a concern…

Your Jib, Drunk Farmer...I like the cut of it.

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#55 **
January 08 2014, 04:04PM
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Jerry wrote:

Anybody else with Kevin Lowe's record would have been fired years ago.

He is a joke. Unfortunately the joke is on the fans.

How does this guy look himself in the mirror.

He puts on six championship rings and holds his bank account statement on his hand. Then he just smiles from ear to ear.

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#56 Kr55
January 08 2014, 04:04PM
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BigE91 wrote:

I really wonder how much the Oilers current futility can be attributed to Lowe's willingness to throw around the offer sheets in the wake of the 2006 Finals run and subsequent departure of 2/3 of the players?

Are NHL GMs and executives holding the Oilers in some sort of purgatory because KLowe was willing to "throw grenades" at the 29 other organizations?

He also has a bad reputation handling players. How he handled the Comrie situation will never be forgotten. No doubt he had his grubby paw prints all over how the Souray thing went down. MacT adds to that a little too. You think Penner would have ever considered joining the oilers last off-season if we wanted him with MacT as GM? Not a chance, and he would have been a great addition.

It's not just the weather that makes players wary about joining the Oilers. We carry around a lot of old baggage by keeping this group of buddies leading the team. Like we don't suffer enough by them simply not being good at their jobs.

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#57 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 08 2014, 04:07PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Must be a Tier 1 fan.

You joke....but these are the fans that Lowe listens too.....unfortunately there is not as much anger in the general fan base as there is on this site or other social media sites. I'm not saying they are happy with the current state of affairs but they are willing to support the team and wait it out.

I know people who don't analyze things like we do here and they still enjoy going to the games.

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#58 wizeman
January 08 2014, 04:07PM
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Nowhere in the business world would a management team survive with the results this organization has had in the last ten years. Lowe, MacTavish, LaForge,Howson, Smith, Buchberger, Macgregor, Semenko and all of the scouting team are to blame for this mess. When you hire inexperienced individuals, suggest bold moves, rid yourself of the kind of defenceman you are now in need of you have to shake your head. "Its the definition of insanity" Doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result.How can anyone take this organization seriously when the owner is nowhere to be seen except to threaten the city with relocation. Yet despite all this we are to look forward to a new area and a playoff team to fill it. ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! As long as the fans show up at the rink nothing will change.

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#59 Bucknuck
January 08 2014, 04:07PM
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It's hard not to want some heads to roll considering what the fans have had to watch for EIGHT seasons. I was quite pleased when Pendergast and Tambellini were canned.

I used to defend Lowe, but the more time goes by and the more arrogant stupid crap he says, the more I feel resentment and the more I want him to go away.

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#60 Rod from Viking
January 08 2014, 04:08PM
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To do with nothing wrote:

Best Minor hockey league teams name:

Beacon Heights Bandits [ Yosimite Sam was our logo] Kilkenny Komets Next ?

Yeah- tired of reading about losing and Lowe...

Our rec hockey team had Chicago Sweaters and the crest had Foghorn Leghorn laying on the ice concussed and the Chicken Hawk skating away with the puck, the name of course was "The Chicken Hawks"

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#61 HOFFFF
January 08 2014, 04:10PM
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wizeman wrote:

Nowhere in the business world would a management team survive with the results this organization has had in the last ten years. Lowe, MacTavish, LaForge,Howson, Smith, Buchberger, Macgregor, Semenko and all of the scouting team are to blame for this mess. When you hire inexperienced individuals, suggest bold moves, rid yourself of the kind of defenceman you are now in need of you have to shake your head. "Its the definition of insanity" Doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result.How can anyone take this organization seriously when the owner is nowhere to be seen except to threaten the city with relocation. Yet despite all this we are to look forward to a new area and a playoff team to fill it. ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! As long as the fans show up at the rink nothing will change.

Makes me think anybody can run a drug store...

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#62 Rod from Viking
January 08 2014, 04:15PM
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I was a huge fan of every ex-Oiler that is in the organization when they played, I was also very happy when Kevin Lowe came back to Edmonton to finish his career and become the head coach, no one of the other 80's players had came back. I as well as many were ecstatic when he became the GM and under the tight budget he did quite well,and between good trades and lightning in a bottle got this team to the Stanley Cup finals. I also thought Mac T was a good coach and did well with the talent he had. However there was many mistakes made 2001-2004 and post cup run until now and no other C.E.O in any business could weather 8 consecutive years of failure. The people that are upset I would hope do not hate any of the boys on the bus, but between last years press conference, the unheard of assistant coaches surviving 3 head coaches and of course the on ice product the paying customer(and that includes all fans) deserve better and calling for his resignation is not out of line.

I bought 4 season tickets when the Oilers were going to be moved to Texas in the 90's when our dollar was worth 63 cents and there was 6-7000 fan's turning out

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#63 Greenlingj
January 08 2014, 04:16PM
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Who wants to go get Jerseys that say #FIREKLOWE?

And the number on the back will be 2014

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#64 Pipeline
January 08 2014, 04:17PM
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Thanks Robin for "belling the cat" that is Kevin Lowe. The local mainstream media have long done a disservice to the fans by failing to be objective in covering the Oilers. Kevin Lowe was brought back to Edmonton by Slats (probably because Slats saw him as a similar player to himself--tough, good team player, played through injuries, blocked shots,limited offensive skills, street smart but no post secondary education). Under Slats, Kevin was assistant coach to Ron Low for one year then head coach for two years. In this capacity he did a decent job; the team was competitive and made the playoffs one year. When Slats was let go by the new regime, Cal Nichols inexplicably made Kevin the GM. I say inexplicably because he wasn't qualified for the job, either through administrative experience or academic training. He blundered along as GM until his buddy Mr. Katz bought the team and elevated him to President of Hockey Operations; again without solid credentials for the position. So his reign of error began with Slats but was extended by Cal Nichols and Mr. Katz and all along abetted by the local media who were too intimidated to seriously challenge what was clearly an enfeebled organization. That's why we are in the predicament we are in now.

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#65 Taylor Gang
January 08 2014, 04:18PM
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A blog long overdue. Thank you Brownlee.

Kevin Lowe isn't a bad guy, he's just incompetent; he has to leave. Simple as that.

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#66 anonymous
January 08 2014, 04:18PM
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** wrote:

He puts on six championship rings and holds his bank account statement on his hand. Then he just smiles from ear to ear.

Sure BEATS what you afre always holding in your hand!

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#67 Oneeye
January 08 2014, 04:19PM
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Thank You for putting to print this article. It's about time someone with influence(us their 2 fans having none) starts to look at at the feeling amongst many. These guys have had plenty of time to prove anything... And have proved nothing so let's move on.

I wish more media had your independance.

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#68 **
January 08 2014, 04:20PM
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anonymous wrote:

Sure BEATS what you afre always holding in your hand!

the pot calling the kettle black. now please excuse me, my hand is busy.

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#69 Randaman
January 08 2014, 04:20PM
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Romanus wrote:

Ditto. Have had problems giving tickets away this year when I can't go.

They even had the nerve to up the parking prices this week, which means I now have to pay even more to go watch this crap.

Neither one of you will give up your tickets though will you? Wouldn't want to give up your seats in the new building? This is why Katz makes no changes. Why should he? Rebellion is more than posting, it takes ACTION! Easy for me to say I know but still...

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#70 Spydyr
January 08 2014, 04:28PM
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And so it begins.This will not end well for Lowe.

It is way overdue.

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#71 Craig
January 08 2014, 04:29PM
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Can someone explain to me why know one else is writing this? I don't understand why guys who write for the sun and journal don't jump all over this but they will when it comes to 8am practices.

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#72 CMG30
January 08 2014, 04:32PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

You joke....but these are the fans that Lowe listens too.....unfortunately there is not as much anger in the general fan base as there is on this site or other social media sites. I'm not saying they are happy with the current state of affairs but they are willing to support the team and wait it out.

I know people who don't analyze things like we do here and they still enjoy going to the games.

I for one don't mind that Klowe made that statement because it's the bare truth. The people who pay the most get the most consideration. It might have been tone deaf but at least he had the balls to say it.

The unfortunate part is that it seems that the people who can afford the season tickets and skyboxes are not necessarily the people who care the most about the team. But as long as the people paying the bills are content nothing changes. If you want to know how long that can go on check out Toronto...

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#73 Kr55
January 08 2014, 04:35PM
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Craig wrote:

Can someone explain to me why know one else is writing this? I don't understand why guys who write for the sun and journal don't jump all over this but they will when it comes to 8am practices.

Scared of losing some of the access they get to the team? The Oilers are pretty candid to reporters with all the moves they want to make. Candid to a fault, projecting their needs and who we don't like on our team that we want to get rid of. That's the kind of great stuff no reporter that has to answer to his boss looking for stories is willing to lose access to.

You've seen how defiant Lowe is any time he is questioned. You'd probably be cut out of the inside info if you questioned him publicly so fast your head would spin.

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#74 A-Mc
January 08 2014, 04:36PM
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Craig wrote:

Can someone explain to me why know one else is writing this? I don't understand why guys who write for the sun and journal don't jump all over this but they will when it comes to 8am practices.

Credible writers tend to stick to facts they can prove. Until Lowe bumbled his way through a well placed question by Gregor, there was absolutely no proof of what he really did in the organization.

Even with the interview response, there is much left to be desired in terms of details, but it's a start.

I would suggest a sneaky follow up question like: "Have you ever had to pull the reigns on one of your GMs when maybe they wanted to make a move that you just couldn't let happen?"

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#75 Spydyr
January 08 2014, 04:36PM
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Craig wrote:

Can someone explain to me why know one else is writing this? I don't understand why guys who write for the sun and journal don't jump all over this but they will when it comes to 8am practices.

Quick answer, MSM does not want to bite the hand that feeds it.

Hard to cover the Oilers if your banned from Rexall.

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#76 Craig
January 08 2014, 04:39PM
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@Kr55

What about the reporter who got kevin worked up the last press conference, is he still around?

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#77 HOFFFF
January 08 2014, 04:45PM
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St. Louis is 4 points out of 1st in the league and Hitchcock likes doughnuts.

Edmonton is 5 points out of last place and Eakins doesn't allow doughnuts.

These kids need to be jacked up on sugar still. I can't believe we haven't picked up on this yet....

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#78 Kr55
January 08 2014, 04:49PM
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Craig wrote:

What about the reporter who got kevin worked up the last press conference, is he still around?

John MacKinnon I believe was the guy. Looks like he has been writing about the Esks and mainly game review type articles about the Oilers. Don't think he was sticking his neck out with his questioning of Lowe quite as much as some other "insider" type guys would have been.

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#79 DAVE
January 08 2014, 04:49PM
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Going with out a dedicated farm team was'nt K-Lowes fault, during the time of EIG, which I believe hurt player devolopement and acquisition within the organization very badly, but surely that should have been overcome by now. If not K-Lowes fault, then what or who is the problem? As the POHO It is my opinion that he should have the arrows at the very least pointing in the right direction by now. Unless it is Katz( Iam going to spend to the cap every year) to cheap to invest in such things.

Fan's in other city's might quit going to games because of the economy, but that won't be the case here, if that is indeed what happens. If the fans in Edmonton had a hockey team to be proud of, and had to decide if baby gets new shoes or go to a game? Well baby would have to wait for those shoes.

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#80 **
January 08 2014, 04:50PM
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problem is the six rings only excite your avarice, and they were made to control only dwarves. Klowe needs to go to Mordor to get the one ring to rule them all.

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#81 Lawndemon
January 08 2014, 04:55PM
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HOFFFF wrote:

The Krueger Factor

A real underrated ingredient for Team Canada has been the presence of Ralph Krueger as a consultant to the coaching staff. “A huge assistance, real smart,” Team Canada coach Mike Babcock told ESPN.com on Tuesday. Babcock said Krueger was going to join him for three Red Wings games in the next week starting in San Jose on Thursday to update him on what he’s picked up overseas ahead of the Olympics. The Canadian coaching staff as a whole has raved about his impact since last summer. Krueger was coach of the Swiss national team for a dozen years, from 1998 through 2010, and his experience with the international game already has proved immeasurable to the Canadian coaches. Krueger has been central in consulting Canada’s transition to the larger international ice surface, but he’s also been key in other areas, as relayed to ESPN.com Wednesday by Team Canada assistant coach Ken Hitchcock:

I miss Ralph...

Just for the hell of it, replace the name Krueger with the name Eakins.

Now it's funny!

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#82 jybute
January 08 2014, 04:56PM
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@wizeman

Actually, you're mistaken. There isn't a business owner in the world who would fire his chief executive if that company was literally making money in piles the way the oilers are. I've been saying this for a long time. The only way there will ever be a change, is if people stop buying tickets. Katz is a fan, no doubt. But he's a business man first.

Unfortunately, with this new TV deal from Rogers, the oilers will still make money, even if half of season seats are not picked up next year, or the year after, or the year after.

We can only hope that the luck involved in building a winner comes full circle in the next couple years. Because let's face it. There is no GM who has been able to build a winner just because he's good at spotting talent. There is a lot of luck that goes along with it.

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#83 KBLOWES
January 08 2014, 04:57PM
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I had a dream that Rogers bought the Oilers from Katz and fired everybody and than hired some real professionals to run the team. Sad. As long as Katz owns the Oilers, Kevin Lowe will keep his job.

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#84 DAVE
January 08 2014, 04:58PM
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Craig wrote:

Can someone explain to me why know one else is writing this? I don't understand why guys who write for the sun and journal don't jump all over this but they will when it comes to 8am practices.

You might have noticed Brownlee only writes the truth as he see's it. That in my estimation is why he does'nt write for either anymore.

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#85 Puck_In_Throat
January 08 2014, 04:59PM
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“Every coach has a shelf life,” Burke said.

“After the last home game, it would be cruel and unusual punishment to let Ron coach another game in the Air Canada Centre.”

This is a quote from Brian Burke after the infamous "Fire Wilson" chant in Toronto.

Tier 1 fans, you know what to do.

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#86 Craig
January 08 2014, 05:01PM
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Very disappointing to hear robin back track on his story on air.

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#87 Hoozonphirst
January 08 2014, 05:02PM
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To 'you of the 6 rings whose name cannot be spoken by mere mortals', I pray the next piece of paper you receive is pink and written with crayon if that helps you.

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#88 Spydyr
January 08 2014, 05:03PM
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While watching the Blues Oilers game it was hard not to notice every shift the blues were much larger then the Oilers.They might be on to something there.

You think?

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#89 Moog's helmet
January 08 2014, 05:05PM
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Well we know Kevin Lowe can help assemble the best team in hockey (Canadian men's olympic team) and the worst ( Edmonton Oilers) Question is, can he do anything in between? He had a great run of decision making in 2006 but I think at this point we can safely chalk that up to a fluke. I know a lot of people say "Why fire him? What does that do? Will the team improve? No." But his time is up, just like Horcoff's was. He's emblematic of this team's failure and based on his history there is a zero percent chance he's helping this team get better going forward. Zero. He assures us he's just as frustrated as the fans. That's cute. Wonder if making millions of dollars to watch this team makes it any easier. I'd love to give it a try.

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#90 Arius Mumin
January 08 2014, 05:05PM
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Puck_In_Throat wrote:

“Every coach has a shelf life,” Burke said.

“After the last home game, it would be cruel and unusual punishment to let Ron coach another game in the Air Canada Centre.”

This is a quote from Brian Burke after the infamous "Fire Wilson" chant in Toronto.

Tier 1 fans, you know what to do.

FIRE EAKINS!

*Friday night with the Penguins in town-perfect opportunity.

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#91 Robin Brownlee
January 08 2014, 05:05PM
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Craig wrote:

Very disappointing to hear robin back track on his story on air.

Back track on air? How so? Do explain.

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#92 Arius Mumin
January 08 2014, 05:08PM
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Moog's helmet wrote:

Well we know Kevin Lowe can help assemble the best team in hockey (Canadian men's olympic team) and the worst ( Edmonton Oilers) Question is, can he do anything in between? He had a great run of decision making in 2006 but I think at this point we can safely chalk that up to a fluke. I know a lot of people say "Why fire him? What does that do? Will the team improve? No." But his time is up, just like Horcoff's was. He's emblematic of this team's failure and based on his history there is a zero percent chance he's helping this team get better going forward. Zero. He assures us he's just as frustrated as the fans. That's cute. Wonder if making millions of dollars to watch this team makes it any easier. I'd love to give it a try.

Gagner is a curse. As soon as they get him off that team all will be right again.

I assumed you were talking about Gagner when I read"wonder if making millions of dollars to watch this team".

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#93 Dean Belanger
January 08 2014, 05:11PM
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@KBLOWES

Oh you mean like when Rogers hired Kypreos and made him the lead guy on Sportsnet with NO training. The guy could barely form a sentence... He's improved some but he's still terrible.

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#94 camdog
January 08 2014, 05:16PM
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Moog's helmet wrote:

Well we know Kevin Lowe can help assemble the best team in hockey (Canadian men's olympic team) and the worst ( Edmonton Oilers) Question is, can he do anything in between? He had a great run of decision making in 2006 but I think at this point we can safely chalk that up to a fluke. I know a lot of people say "Why fire him? What does that do? Will the team improve? No." But his time is up, just like Horcoff's was. He's emblematic of this team's failure and based on his history there is a zero percent chance he's helping this team get better going forward. Zero. He assures us he's just as frustrated as the fans. That's cute. Wonder if making millions of dollars to watch this team makes it any easier. I'd love to give it a try.

"Sometimes change is good for both the organization and the player, but at the same time they're valuable players and we're not in a position where we're able to move them without getting something substantial in return...I have a lot of allegiance and a lot of loyalty to 'Horc' and to Ales. I have a lot of respect for both those players. But from both those perspectives, I think the ideal scenario would be to move them on and wish them the best in their next destination."

Craig Mactavish

Sometimes a fresh outlook given years of losing is good for the player/the team President.

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#95 wizeman
January 08 2014, 05:18PM
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@jybute

I lived thru the Ballard years in Toronto and see the same thing happening here. Lowe was put in place to run a hockey team. Using your argument can you imagine how much more he would make if this team was winning. You or I could make this team make money given the loyalty here in this city. What most fans want is a competitive team. Changes are necessary if only to improve the optics of the situation. ( See coaching carousel)

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#96 Oliveoiler
January 08 2014, 05:22PM
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If Mr. Lowe truly cares for the Oilers' organization, the fans and the people of Edmonton, he will do the decent thing and resign. By doing this he will retain some semblance of dignity, if not, I'd hate to be him having a quiet coffee anywhere in the city - he'd never avoid all the negativity. Yes, he WAS a good player, and not too bad a GM, but now, he's a dictator and the team wont thrive much longer with him in charge. PLEASE hand over the reins to MacT, as GM. A POHO is NOT needed, it was a created position to put someone somewhere when no-one knew what else to do with him. Give MacT the absolute right to choose his players. Give it up, PLEASE, you are destroying Edmonton's reputation and credibility. Brian Burke was never a favourite of mine, but reading what he said about KL leading the Oilers into the sewer makes me respect him a bit more. Come on ex #4, you time REALLY is up.

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#97 Oilerz4life
January 08 2014, 05:23PM
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It is true, unfortunately, that the Edmonton Oilers organization should gut management. I used to get frustrated about hearing the fire Lowe rant all the time but its true. Lowe, MacTavish, Smith, Bucky, they should all be let go. The Edmonton Oilers need a fresh unbiased approach, with new experienced management put in place.

Its completely fair that that message needs to come across loud and clear from the fans until there is change. Seeing that this is an article about Lowe I don't mind adding my voice to the crowd. Also, jerseys on the ice and fire Lowe signs are par for the course. That is the voice that fans have to communicate their frustration and let that voice be heard. Fans are the ones paying for all of this and that's how we can communicate our appreciation for all that Lowe and company has contributed to the Edmonton Oilers.

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#98 Sisyphus
January 08 2014, 05:27PM
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I just feel badly for players like Hall. Drafted #1, should have had a glorious career. Made the mistake of signing a long contract in Edmonton, and has essentially locked himself into losing for the next 3-4 years as badly as this year.

Everyone knows unfortunately players like him won't have a remote shot of getting out of town unless they flat out refuse a trade. And even then, I can't see Oilers moving Hall--if they move him, they admit the past 6 years have been a bust. Never happening.

Poor guy. Sorry that you're stuck Hallsy--you really are a great player and deserve so much better than this pathetic joke of an organization

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#99 Sisyphus
January 08 2014, 05:34PM
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Sisyphus wrote:

I just feel badly for players like Hall. Drafted #1, should have had a glorious career. Made the mistake of signing a long contract in Edmonton, and has essentially locked himself into losing for the next 3-4 years as badly as this year.

Everyone knows unfortunately players like him won't have a remote shot of getting out of town unless they flat out refuse a trade. And even then, I can't see Oilers moving Hall--if they move him, they admit the past 6 years have been a bust. Never happening.

Poor guy. Sorry that you're stuck Hallsy--you really are a great player and deserve so much better than this pathetic joke of an organization

Gah. Not *refuse* a trade, rather unless they demand a trade, publicly

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#100 Craig
January 08 2014, 05:36PM
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@Robin Brownlee

From what I take from your article is you think Kevin Lowe is someone that should take most of the blame and should be looked at for replacement and then you agreed with Gregor that he should only be fired if he has to fire Mac T and that we should all come to our own conclusions. I figured you would of stood your ground more on all the facts that you brought up and not seem so passive on Gregors comments.

Would of liked to hear you finish what you had to say before you got interrupted.

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