IF THERE'S EVER A CONCERN: HANDS ON

Robin Brownlee
January 08 2014 02:18PM

 

 

Frustration within the passionate and loyal fan base of the Edmonton Oilers is growing by the day and by the loss with the Oilers destined to miss the playoffs for an eighth straight season. Rightfully so.

Much of that frustration -- again, rightfully so -- is being directed at Kevin Lowe, the team's former GM who is now owner Daryl Katz's president of hockey operations. There was a sign of that, literally, at Rexall Place during Tuesday's 5-2 loss to the St. Louis Blues. A fan sitting front row displayed a cardboard sign that read: "Fire Kevin Lowe."

The frustration directed toward Lowe is, in large part, because of the perception that, while he's been bumped out of the hot seat and into the background publicly in his position by Katz, he's still had his fingerprints all over player personnel decisions – trades and free agent signings -- made by former GM Steve Tambellini and now Craig MacTavish.

Actually, perception is the wrong word. Lowe confirmed his participation in the decision-making process Tuesday during a wide-ranging interview on the Jason Gregor Show on TSN 1260. While Lowe didn't get specific about how much influence he has, it's obvious he's hands-on – we're not talking about the façade of the "senior advisor" position Pat Quinn was dumped in.

Lowe has been, as has been noted before, the one constant in Edmonton's front office through these eight years of ineptitude and losing dating back to the 2006 Stanley Cup final, and beyond.

WHAT HE SAID

Gregor asked Lowe what role he played as POHO in the decision-making process with Tambellini and now MacTavish.

"I would say that uh, that uh . . . really, it's a tough, tough question," Lowe said. "Craig is the general manager, as was Steve Tambellini. They go about their business and shop around the NHL with the scouting staff and collectively throughout the organization try to come up with ways to make the hockey club better, whether it's signing a player or trading a player or what have you.

"At the end of the way, when those recommendations or when those ideas come up, Craig will talk to me and get my feelings on it and you know . . . we talk enough over the course of the season that I generally know where he's going on things and, you know, there's an owner that has to make a call in terms of whether you're going to spend the money for a free agent or trade an asset that's been part of the organization for a while, so there's a collective decision being made.

"I mean, if there's any concern that our people can't make decisions without me endorsing them, then that's not accurate. We've always had a, taken the approach from the day that I took over as general manager that we're collectively going to make decisions – not that it's a purely democratic process, but it's wise of you to involve as many people in your organization when you are making decisions.

"It's not a fiefdom where one person says, 'No, this is what we're going to do.' It's a collective group decision on any strategy that the hockey team is going to make. It's not easy. We've been in this rebuild and it's incredibly frustrating for everyone. The fans should know that, for the people that are running the show they are probably, I don't even know if you can compare it, but in terms of frustration, it's incredibly frustrating, but we're in it. We are where we are.

"The only thing we can do is continue to work hard and believe that, in time, if we've done the drafting we hope we've done and we are patient with the young players that they're going to become the players we expect them to be and it'll result in a, you know, positive and exciting hockey team."

(Photo via @quickone1 on Twitter)

STARTS AT THE TOP

Lowe was at the top of Edmonton's management food chain as GM for eight seasons – he had nobody to answer to in hockey operations decisions, except ownership, until he was moved to POHO in July 2008. Essentially, anybody Lowe huddled with when making decisions as the GM was an underling – an assistant GM, members of his scouting staff or coaches. It stands to reason Lowe's opinion carried more weight than anybody else's did.

Was that the case during Tambellini's troubled and indecisive tenure in Lowe's former position? I don't know for sure, but I doubt it. Is that the case now with MacTavish? No way. Still, you'd have to be a fool to think Lowe doesn't carry considerable swing in every hockey decision made now.

Simply put, Lowe had more say than anybody else in the organization in building the Oilers from 2000 to 2008 as GM. At the very least, he has had considerable influence in hockey decisions made since then. That's a span of command and influence approaching 14 seasons.

Draw your own conclusions.

Listen to Robin Brownlee Wednesdays and Thursdays from 3 p.m. to 5 p.m. on the Jason Gregor Show on TEAM 1260.

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A sports writer since 1983, including stints at The Edmonton Journal and The Sun 1989-2007, I happily co-host the Jason Gregor Show on TSN 1260 twice a week and write when so inclined. Have the best damn lawn on the internet. Most important, I am Sam's dad. Follow me on Twitter at Robin_Brownlee. Or don't.
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#101 Harlie
January 08 2014, 05:46PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Castor Raiders

...tough to beat.

I was on a minor soccer team in Fort Saskatchewan in the 80's..we were laughably called..

The Coffee House Blue Boys

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#102 Butters
January 08 2014, 05:47PM
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I find it befuddling that Katz allows his friends to run a franchise worth 400mill right into the ground. It is his prerogative I suppose, but it doesn't make any sense to me.

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#103 Serious Gord
January 08 2014, 05:47PM
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Robin:

On reading the first part of your post names and dates flooded my head:

July 16, 1973. Alexander Butterfield

June 23, 1972. Richard Nixon

August 5, 1974 Barry Goldwater

The first date and name go together as the day and person who revealed that the Nixon White House had a secret taping system.

The second name and date are what those tapes ultimately made public - that six days after the watergate arrests Nixon was caught on his own taping system plotting a cover-up

The final pairing is the date when the "smoking gun" tape was made public and Barry Goldwater - the pope of the rock-ribbed wing of the Republican Party and senate minority leader - promptly went to see Nixon and tell him he had lost his support - three days later Nixon submitted his resignation - one that took several staffers days to create -

Dear Mr. Secretary:

"I hereby resign from the office of the president of the United States."

Sincerely,

Richard Nixon

Yesterday is the day that the "smoking gun" exposing the depth of Kevin lowe's involvement in the disaster that is the Edmonton oilers was made public.

It was something many of us had long been certain of. But many others were solid Lowe loyalists who said there was little that the POHO had to do with the day to day.

Well the POHO himself has said flatly that he was involved. And thus he is an accessory in the crime that has been committed on the oiler fanbase.

There is no room for doubt now. The president has to go - either he is fired or - in a more dignified method - he can resign.

Just copy and paste the following Mr. Lowe:

Dear Mr. Katz:

I hereby resign from the office of the President of Hockey Operations.

Sincerely,

Kevin Lowe ...

PS - Kevin Lowe makes public appearances in two days over the last several months and on both occasions he makes a huge faux pas. Yet more evidence of his lack of competence.

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#104 lucky
January 08 2014, 05:48PM
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You have to give Lowe full marks for being on the show. He is a courageous, bright, passionate man who loves the Oilers and will be successful in the end! Winning or losing is a group and team effort, leave Mr. Lowe alone! He is not the problem nor is Mr. MacTavish or Mr.Eakins!

Jasmine? Is that you?

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#105 Oliveoiler
January 08 2014, 06:04PM
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KEV JONG UN needs to step down; the people have spoken.

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#106 Hockey mom
January 08 2014, 06:11PM
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Sisyphus wrote:

I just feel badly for players like Hall. Drafted #1, should have had a glorious career. Made the mistake of signing a long contract in Edmonton, and has essentially locked himself into losing for the next 3-4 years as badly as this year.

Everyone knows unfortunately players like him won't have a remote shot of getting out of town unless they flat out refuse a trade. And even then, I can't see Oilers moving Hall--if they move him, they admit the past 6 years have been a bust. Never happening.

Poor guy. Sorry that you're stuck Hallsy--you really are a great player and deserve so much better than this pathetic joke of an organization

How right you are! Nurse should beware of any long term contracts with the oilers as we'll.

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#107 Serious Gord
January 08 2014, 06:15PM
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Hockey mom wrote:

How right you are! Nurse should beware of any long term contracts with the oilers as we'll.

The next shoe to drop will either be one of the current stars going public and demanding a trade or one of the up and coming prospects refusing to sign.

And then the oil will have truly hit bottom - becoming a firm member of the "worst franchise in the league" fraternity with the likes of the NYI and the nordiques.

Will mr. Katz let it go that far?

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#108 China town man
January 08 2014, 06:25PM
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If my kids wher to miss behave or fall on deaf ears A little smack on the butt cheeks really get their attention!!! So Dallas Eakin loveing your Oiler players like they are your kids is good preaching is great, the only problem is they your kids aren't listening to you your pre game and after game talk is great but it is getting boring same old poop different pile!!! Maybe it is time to open a can of woop ass!!!! Just saying.

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#109 Philosophil
January 08 2014, 06:30PM
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To do with nothing wrote:

Best Minor hockey league teams name:

Beacon Heights Bandits [ Yosimite Sam was our logo] Kilkenny Komets Next ?

Yeah- tired of reading about losing and Lowe...

St.Albert Beef. It in the SAMHA yearbook...

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#110 Devolution
January 08 2014, 06:31PM
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I haven't read through all of the comments so please excuse me if this has already been asked. MacTavish does all the scouring and calling. Lowe discusses the moves before they are made. There have been roughly 5 moves in the past year. What exactly does Lowe do the rest of the time?

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#111 Kevin
January 08 2014, 06:32PM
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Good read Robin- one thing though. There is NO debate, no other conclusion other than simply looking at the facts. We have a decade of resolve to draw on if there could ever be a debate I surely cannot see one. Kevin Lowe has been and is the mastermind behind this joke of a team/organization, the learning on the job has got to stop, its simply gone on for too long. The experiment has got to be over. How many questionable trades, free agent signing, pending free agents let go, over priced contracts, questionable length of term contracts, failed to pull trigger on on acquiring Cory Perry, Chasing Danny Heatly, Chasing Nylander, the Sheldon Souray handling, the questionable draft picks, the lack of depth, the obvious state of over hockey opps ie. wheres the depth, the state of the goaltending. Granted there has been some good but the bad truley out weighs the bad. Too much bad blood for this one sided costly relationship the fans have endured. Too much false hope and too much mediocrity for any organization including a millionaires game for the paying fan to endure. Can we simply say Thanks Sixs cups and move on. It's time ! There can be no other conclusion here.

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#112 nick
January 08 2014, 06:33PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

The next shoe to drop will either be one of the current stars going public and demanding a trade or one of the up and coming prospects refusing to sign.

And then the oil will have truly hit bottom - becoming a firm member of the "worst franchise in the league" fraternity with the likes of the NYI and the nordiques.

Will mr. Katz let it go that far?

Sorry to say Serious Gord, they are already the worst franchise in the league.

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#113 nick
January 08 2014, 06:38PM
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HOFFFF wrote:

The Krueger Factor

A real underrated ingredient for Team Canada has been the presence of Ralph Krueger as a consultant to the coaching staff. “A huge assistance, real smart,” Team Canada coach Mike Babcock told ESPN.com on Tuesday. Babcock said Krueger was going to join him for three Red Wings games in the next week starting in San Jose on Thursday to update him on what he’s picked up overseas ahead of the Olympics. The Canadian coaching staff as a whole has raved about his impact since last summer. Krueger was coach of the Swiss national team for a dozen years, from 1998 through 2010, and his experience with the international game already has proved immeasurable to the Canadian coaches. Krueger has been central in consulting Canada’s transition to the larger international ice surface, but he’s also been key in other areas, as relayed to ESPN.com Wednesday by Team Canada assistant coach Ken Hitchcock:

I miss Ralph...

I miss Ralph also, he was the one coach the Oilers have had that actually had the team improving. Hard to imagine MacIdiot fired him for Eakins

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#114 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 08 2014, 06:39PM
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DAVE wrote:

You might have noticed Brownlee only writes the truth as he see's it. That in my estimation is why he does'nt write for either anymore.

I don't have any special insight....but my guess is that it's a business and a one hand washes the other kind of etiquette exists, which makes sense. I think the reporters, the players, everyone involved is living a pretty good life. They get to see things up close and personal and it's in their best interests to play the game, to report the basics, ask the benign questions and otherwise leave well enough alone. Why kill the goose that laid the golden egg? They are all part of a big industry and it is well protected. And I'm not blaming them......if I could be inside that bubble I'd play the game too......I think it's the reason why there are so few "tell all" books about hockey.

As an example, look at the stuff in Theron Fluery's book. I don't remember any media coverage of the details of that stuff.

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#115 M22
January 08 2014, 06:39PM
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Greg wrote:

Of all the bullsh*t I've read on here... This takes the cake. What the hell??? It hurts to see these type of fans are still out there. The same fans that jump out if their seats when the oilers score late in a game to make it 6-2. Pathetic

We scored 2 goals?!?

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#116 DigDeepNBleedBlue
January 08 2014, 06:42PM
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@Serious Gord

Dude, your negativity is beyond irrational. It's a hockey team, not the presidency of the most powerful nation in the world. LOL

To stay within the times, though:

"You are in more dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history." - Adrian Cronauer

Sorry, brah! I pucking had to. LMFAO!!!

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#117 pipeline
January 08 2014, 06:45PM
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I disagree with those who say that the Edmonton media can't be tough on the Oilers because they might lose access. Performance dictates coverage, if the media is not critical when performance is abysmal they are merely lapdogs. Denying access to a reporter who is critical, even though objective and fair would make the Oilers look mean spirited and increase the fan's frustration with the organization. If a media outlet was denied access it should stop covering the team till acess is reinstated--this would be more damaging to the team than the media organization. The reporters that cover the legislature don't pull their punches because they are afraid of repercussions. They do the job of informing the public and speaking truth to power with journalistic integrity as they are paid to do.

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#118 Consultant
January 08 2014, 06:46PM
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How can a management group discussion on important matters be a bad thing?? Is this really news? Lowe has a say in things, so see its all his fault, let's fire him? All I see here is a bunch of cry babies who want someone to blame. And since Lowe has been around for a while he takes the target, fine if he get fired who cares, it won't hurt but it also won't help. Lowe is just a self described sounding board. My problem with this Kevin Lowe witch hunt is that within its caveman satisfaction of bringing someone down, somehow the daily and real hands on incompentance of Eakins (coach, i.e. day to day manager of the team) gets excused. This team is not as bad on paper as it is on the ice, simple as that. King down in Calgary should be fired cause he hires Keenan and Feasters. I actally like our GM now (Lowe hired) and I see Eakins as MacT's muligan not Lowe's...

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#119 Oneeye
January 08 2014, 06:50PM
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Butters wrote:

I find it befuddling that Katz allows his friends to run a franchise worth 400mill right into the ground. It is his prerogative I suppose, but it doesn't make any sense to me.

That is definitely not the issue. The teams value has only gone up exponentially while sucking. Good timing I would say as I give him very little credibility for anything else.

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#120 Serious Gord
January 08 2014, 06:52PM
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DigDeepNBleedBlue wrote:

Dude, your negativity is beyond irrational. It's a hockey team, not the presidency of the most powerful nation in the world. LOL

To stay within the times, though:

"You are in more dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history." - Adrian Cronauer

Sorry, brah! I pucking had to. LMFAO!!!

Trust me when I state that I'm not taking it that seriously.

I like finding similarities through history - my post above is one of those comparisons.

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#121 Serious Gord
January 08 2014, 07:01PM
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How can a management group discussion on important matters be a bad thing?? Is this really news? Lowe has a say in things, so see its all his fault, let's fire him? All I see here is a bunch of cry babies who want someone to blame. And since Lowe has been around for a while he takes the target, fine if he get fired who cares, it won't hurt but it also won't help. Lowe is just a self described sounding board. My problem with this Kevin Lowe witch hunt is that within its caveman satisfaction of bringing someone down, somehow the daily and real hands on incompentance of Eakins (coach, i.e. day to day manager of the team) gets excused. This team is not as bad on paper as it is on the ice, simple as that. King down in Calgary should be fired cause he hires Keenan and Feasters. I actally like our GM now (Lowe hired) and I see Eakins as MacT's muligan not Lowe's...

"It won't hurt but it also won't help"

Rubbish.

If that where the case then the wings hiring Babcock was no help

Or Hitchcock getting hired in St. Louis.

Your argument is ridiculous and nonsensical.

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#122 DigDeepNBleedBlue
January 08 2014, 07:06PM
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@Serious Gord

Brah, you're not going to use words like "ridiculous" and "nonsensical" to describe other people's posts are you?

Yes, you are! LOL

This whole internet thing is pucking awesome!!!

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#123 Edward
January 08 2014, 07:13PM
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My son was at the game last night at Rexall. He was absolutely disgusted by the timid play. The word gutless came up a couple times during the conversation. No commitment was another assessment. With KLowe's weasle draft picks and two aleady signed for a king's ransom The fans of the Oil can expect a continuation of losing and losing badly.

Sad. Another lost fan who won't buy another ticket.

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#124 M22
January 08 2014, 07:27PM
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Consultant wrote:

How can a management group discussion on important matters be a bad thing?? Is this really news? Lowe has a say in things, so see its all his fault, let's fire him? All I see here is a bunch of cry babies who want someone to blame. And since Lowe has been around for a while he takes the target, fine if he get fired who cares, it won't hurt but it also won't help. Lowe is just a self described sounding board. My problem with this Kevin Lowe witch hunt is that within its caveman satisfaction of bringing someone down, somehow the daily and real hands on incompentance of Eakins (coach, i.e. day to day manager of the team) gets excused. This team is not as bad on paper as it is on the ice, simple as that. King down in Calgary should be fired cause he hires Keenan and Feasters. I actally like our GM now (Lowe hired) and I see Eakins as MacT's muligan not Lowe's...

I assume that you are aware that the problems with this team started long before Eakins. So, if it is your assertion that Eakins is the one upon whom the majority of the blame lies, who does the finger get pointed at before 2013/14? Kreuger? And before him, Renney?...etc, etc, etc. Or, how about Tambellini? That hiring alone, hand-picked by Lowe, is almost a firing offense, in my books. Listening to him talk was truly awkward.

I agree with you that the team looks better on paper than ice, but who cares? Looks are deceiving. In my mind, there are two entities here in question: 1) the team, and 2) the organization. A team is a component of an org, albeit a pretty big one. Poor teams are often the result of poor organizations. Poor organizations are hardly ever the result of poor teams for SUCH a prologed period of time. Good orgs FIX poor teams. And it shouldn't take near 8 yrs, when you consider we had the #1 draft pick three years running.

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#125 Rick Stroppel
January 08 2014, 07:27PM
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OBJECTIVELY SPEAKING, THE EDMONTON OILERS ARE ONE OF THE WORST NHL TEAMS OF ALL TIME

I reviewed the 96 year history of the NHL looking for the worst teams over an extended period of time. I tried to be as fair as possible.

1. KC Scouts-Colorado Rockies-NJ Devils, 1974-1987. Missed playoffs 12 out of 13 seasons, went out in first round only year they made playoffs.

2. Atlanta Thrashers-Winnipeg Jets, 1994-2012. Missed playoffs 11 out of 12 years, out in first round in only appearance.

3. NY Islanders, 1994-2012. Missed playoffs 12/16 years, out in first round four years they qualified.

4. Florida Panthers, 1997-2013. Missed playoffs 13/15, out in first round other years.

5. Columbus Blue Jackets, 2000-2013. Missed playoffs 11/12, out in first round.

6. Edmonton Oilers, 2006-2014. I am calling it, they are missing the playoffs this year, 8 years straight.

7. Washington Capitals, 1974-1892. Missed playoffs first 8 years in the NHL BUT made playoffs 14 straight years after that. I do not see the Oilers doing this.

Observations: Unless the Oilers make the playoffs AND enjoy some sustained success in the next 4-5 years, they will join the ranks of the worst NHL teams of the last CENTURY.

Edmonton stands out like a sore thumb among these teams. All the other teams were dealing with one or more of these SERIOUS handicaps: expansion team, playing in a city where no-one cares about hockey, not enough money, etc.

One of the silliest things Mr. Lowe said in his interview was "We are where we are", as if this was some kind of act of god. Lowe is RESPONSIBLE for this incredible mess. It is time for THE PRESS, THE FANS, and MR. KATZ to make him take responsibility.

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#126 Time Travelling Sean
January 08 2014, 07:31PM
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IRC Kruger coached us to 10 straight losses down the stretch so he wasn't the savior either. I would've liked him as an assistant coach, but that might've been to awkward.

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#127 Rama Lama
January 08 2014, 07:35PM
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I would love to be a fly on the wall when the Oilers Brass are meeting and talking about the current state of affairs.

What I can't understand is when reporters finally have a chance to ask these clowns a tough questions, they become scared and ask the normal "cliche" type questions. I'm not suggesting this is true with ON reporters........more with the Main Stream TV media.

We as fans would love to ask Lowe and company certain tough questions..........no doubt this is harder in person, of that I am certain. There has to be someone out there with nothing left to lose, who will eventually have Lowe blowing a blood vessel.

Watching Oil Change, you certainly get the idea that the Oilers practice consensus management........and generally speaking that make for better decision making. The thing that is not so obvious is who is developing the macro-strategies ( you know the vision thing) that brand the organization.

The old Oiler brand was easily identified during Sathers tenure.......now I'm not sure any could define the brand including Klowe and Katz!!

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#128 Still in a rebuild
January 08 2014, 07:52PM
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There is one man to blame. He owns the team. He hires his friends. When was the last time the Oilers searched extensively for the right coach or GM? Katz is the owner, this mess is on his head. But where is he? When will he have a presser to apologize to all the fans he has fleeced? Instead he makes Lowe the fall guy. I am tired of all the idiots blaming Katz's mgmt team. Blame the man who really calls the shots.

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#129 Saytalk
January 08 2014, 07:59PM
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@Rama Lama

Consensus management doesn't work if it leads to Groupthink. I don't know if that's the case here, but I'm guessing the boys on the bus will agree more than disagree with one another.

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#130 Brian
January 08 2014, 08:00PM
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My firm belief is that if 6IQ is arrogant, or stupid enough, to make the infamous 6Ring speech and publicly delineate the fan base into the favoured and not so much, then the same attributes would direct his minions as he wants.

"Listen Craig, I know something about winning so trade Smid for someone smaller and an ex-Keegan teammate."

"Listen here, Dallas, I know something about winning so Bucky and Smitty stay. You want the job or not?"

Etc. etc. etc.

I could be wrong but don't think so. He is an arrogant prick. A great stay at home DMan, but one lousy hockey management mind. If it were any different, he would have answered Gregor's question by saying as follows:

"Craig is the GM so is responsible for player and coach related decisions. If he asks for my opinion, fine, but it's his call, and his call alone".

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#131 Still in a rebuild
January 08 2014, 08:01PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I would love to be a fly on the wall when the Oilers Brass are meeting and talking about the current state of affairs.

What I can't understand is when reporters finally have a chance to ask these clowns a tough questions, they become scared and ask the normal "cliche" type questions. I'm not suggesting this is true with ON reporters........more with the Main Stream TV media.

We as fans would love to ask Lowe and company certain tough questions..........no doubt this is harder in person, of that I am certain. There has to be someone out there with nothing left to lose, who will eventually have Lowe blowing a blood vessel.

Watching Oil Change, you certainly get the idea that the Oilers practice consensus management........and generally speaking that make for better decision making. The thing that is not so obvious is who is developing the macro-strategies ( you know the vision thing) that brand the organization.

The old Oiler brand was easily identified during Sathers tenure.......now I'm not sure any could define the brand including Klowe and Katz!!

Why doesn't the media go after Katz himself?

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#132 Serious Gord
January 08 2014, 08:11PM
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Time Travelling Sean wrote:

IRC Kruger coached us to 10 straight losses down the stretch so he wasn't the savior either. I would've liked him as an assistant coach, but that might've been to awkward.

Not defending Krueger - I think he was a mistake - but take a look at the schedule and the last ten games of this season:

SJ Anh NYR SJ Anh Pho Anh Col La Van

How many of those games is an Eakins-coached team going to win?

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#133 Chris.
January 08 2014, 08:13PM
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Kevin Lowe teams have typically lacked a clear starting goaltender, experience, depth, and size.

Full stop.

Year after year... it's always the same.

Management predicted the 2008/2009 edition of the Oilers would compete for the division (after all we were entering year 3 of Lowe's five year plan)... The reasons they failed then are all the same reasons they are failing now... These guys just aren't that good at assessing and assembling a functional hockey club.

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#134 Loweblows
January 08 2014, 08:16PM
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Consultant wrote:

How can a management group discussion on important matters be a bad thing?? Is this really news? Lowe has a say in things, so see its all his fault, let's fire him? All I see here is a bunch of cry babies who want someone to blame. And since Lowe has been around for a while he takes the target, fine if he get fired who cares, it won't hurt but it also won't help. Lowe is just a self described sounding board. My problem with this Kevin Lowe witch hunt is that within its caveman satisfaction of bringing someone down, somehow the daily and real hands on incompentance of Eakins (coach, i.e. day to day manager of the team) gets excused. This team is not as bad on paper as it is on the ice, simple as that. King down in Calgary should be fired cause he hires Keenan and Feasters. I actally like our GM now (Lowe hired) and I see Eakins as MacT's muligan not Lowe's...

I would never employ you as a consultant.

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#135 Rick Stroppel
January 08 2014, 08:50PM
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Consultant wrote:

How can a management group discussion on important matters be a bad thing?? Is this really news? Lowe has a say in things, so see its all his fault, let's fire him? All I see here is a bunch of cry babies who want someone to blame. And since Lowe has been around for a while he takes the target, fine if he get fired who cares, it won't hurt but it also won't help. Lowe is just a self described sounding board. My problem with this Kevin Lowe witch hunt is that within its caveman satisfaction of bringing someone down, somehow the daily and real hands on incompentance of Eakins (coach, i.e. day to day manager of the team) gets excused. This team is not as bad on paper as it is on the ice, simple as that. King down in Calgary should be fired cause he hires Keenan and Feasters. I actally like our GM now (Lowe hired) and I see Eakins as MacT's muligan not Lowe's...

I AM NOT A CAVEMAN

Actually posters on this site have presented very reasoned arguments for ALL of these people to be fired: Lowe, MacTavish, Eakins, Buchberger and Steve Smith. In any other NHL city they would have been fired a long time ago for extended incompetence (with the possible exception of Eakins who probably deserves more of a chance).

The press in this city deserves a lot of blame for this. For too long they have been WAY TOO COSY with the Oilers Glory Boys. The fans figured this out before the press. The emperors are not wearing beautiful clothes, THEY ARE NAKED!

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#136 Brian
January 08 2014, 08:51PM
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The sad part is that the Boys on the Bus legacy as champions is being forgotten; replaced by sentiments that they are collectively incompetent and must disappear .

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#137 GTL
January 08 2014, 09:06PM
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Everything that is klowe, is why I'm an indifferent fan. In case he is concerned.

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#138 K_Mart
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Lowe, Smith, and Buchberger all have to go. NOW

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#139 Oliveoiler
January 08 2014, 09:10PM
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For all the negativity, for all the rants, I STILL believe that when the cup comes back to Canada, it'll be through the Oilers' front door. The only problem is, I hope to be alive to see it!

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#140 Rob F
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how is this Kevin Lowes problem.

Hes not the one not back checking, or playing 60 minutes a night. This is the a player problem and their dogged playing.

Unfortunately as the Oilers were finishing 30th and 29th, there were no Towes, or Crosbys or Malkins or Ovechkins.

Its just been a bad time to finish last

Get over it, He is POHO not GM or coach or player

Its easy for everyone to just want someone fired. He has a family and bills like everybody else. I find it quite distasteful that everyone want another person to be fired and out of a job

you 'fans' are so bloodthirsty......bad carma......shame on you

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#141 Hauk15
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thank god Darnell Nurse got cut. Eakins, Smith, Buchberger, Acton, coaching staff would have destroyed him. PLEASE BABY JESUS LET THESE CLOWNS BE FIRED! KLOWE AND EAKINS!

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#142 oilcountryforlife
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Here are my five wishes for the night

1. Katz would hold a news conference and announce the resignation or firing of Kevin Lowe.

2. McTavish would join in the same news conference and announce the firing of Steve Smith and Kelly Buchberger and the Oilers scouting staff just for fun.

3. At the same news conference, Katz would apologize to the fans for the terrible things they have done to the Edmonton Oilers, the city and their fans

if not....

4. At the next game, no fans would show up

5. At the next game, anyone did show up, would throw Oilers jerseys on the ice and walk out five minutes into the third period so the t.v. cameras(preferably HNIC) would get to pan around the arena and see no one there.

I actually do not hold the players responsible ultimately for the past six years. There have been players come and go...yes, they are lazy, entitled, whiners at time, yes we have no good defense, or goalies, and the tiny "skilled" wingers are young and don't know how to play beyond AHL or WHL levels, but look at the unintelligent brutes in the front office and behind the bench, driven by ego, fuelled by pride, inexperienced in their roles and blind to further education or change...the kids don't even stand a chance.

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January 08 2014, 09:38PM
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Brian wrote:

The sad part is that the Boys on the Bus legacy as champions is being forgotten; replaced by sentiments that they are collectively incompetent and must disappear .

"Boys on the Bus as champions" and "collectively incompetent" are two different things. Don't mix them together. It's insulting to every Oilers fan rightfully calling Lowe to step down!

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#144 etownman
January 08 2014, 09:49PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

The next shoe to drop will either be one of the current stars going public and demanding a trade or one of the up and coming prospects refusing to sign.

And then the oil will have truly hit bottom - becoming a firm member of the "worst franchise in the league" fraternity with the likes of the NYI and the nordiques.

Will mr. Katz let it go that far?

Get a grip & quit your whining, MacT has taken over the rebuild & I'm confident the team is going to turn the corner!

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#145 Walter Sobchak
January 08 2014, 09:51PM
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Time Travelling Sean wrote:

IRC Kruger coached us to 10 straight losses down the stretch so he wasn't the savior either. I would've liked him as an assistant coach, but that might've been to awkward.

I'm going to have to defend Krueger here, I just want to clarify that I hate "what if's" so take it as you want.

A few facts as I see them.

Krueger never had the luxury of playing the softer East teams, Krueger had to play the much harder western teams.

Krueger had this team competing for a playoff position right into the trade deadline.

It was Tambellini & Lowe job to give him a team to compete with, when the injuries went down, Tambellini failed to act, causing the Oilers to drop dramatically in the standings.

Krueger got more out of less, his players on that roster were arguable worse then this team, that says a lot!!

With Krueger the "core" players showed huge improvement & his handling of all the kids was great.

Krueger respect around the NHL has been well documented, he wasn't a blow hole & seldom regurgitated the same nonsense that's heard by the present staff.

Krueger had his faults no doubt, but MacTavish fell in love with the Toronto hype & had to have his own shiny toy.

MacTavish could have moved Eakins into a co-coach much like Renney and Babcock, but made an awful decision to fire Krueger without allowing him at least a whole year.

This way MacTavish could have fired Krueger, had his coach in place & take no heat, instead just like everything else Oilers he made a piss poor decision.

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Oiler63 wrote:

"Boys on the Bus as champions" and "collectively incompetent" are two different things. Don't mix them together. It's insulting to every Oilers fan rightfully calling Lowe to step down!

No, the original statement is accurate, sadly. They are not "mixed"; they stand opposed, which is, I believe, Brian's point.

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#147 G-Unit
January 08 2014, 10:03PM
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Oilers fan since I was a 7 year old boy. Dancing and jumping like a fool when they beat the Habs. Cried when the Islanders beat them. Screamed and cried when they beat the Islanders. Cheered when we beat our beloved Wayne. Sang "Oh Canada" and The Star Spangled Banner at the top of my lungs with tears in my eyes in '06 against San Jose. Was excited to get Hall, Nuge and Yak. Today I feel like my Oilers have finally begun to take that passion for granted. Maybe its just my old eyes seeing the light.

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#148 Consultant
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Serious Gord wrote:

"It won't hurt but it also won't help"

Rubbish.

If that where the case then the wings hiring Babcock was no help

Or Hitchcock getting hired in St. Louis.

Your argument is ridiculous and nonsensical.

Do you not see that Babcock and Hitchcock are coaches?

People here seem to not understand that coaches, gm's and presidents have different responsibilities, and that firing Lowe cause Eakins can't do his job is barking up the wrong tree.

Shocked this escapes so many people here, I guess we get blinded by the rage and the passion...

Some people here referring to Lowe as just a Katz buddy; learn a little history, Kevin Lowe has given a lot to this club and its history and here we are on a witch hunt running the original Oiler out of town.

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oilcountryforlife wrote:

Here are my five wishes for the night

1. Katz would hold a news conference and announce the resignation or firing of Kevin Lowe.

2. McTavish would join in the same news conference and announce the firing of Steve Smith and Kelly Buchberger and the Oilers scouting staff just for fun.

3. At the same news conference, Katz would apologize to the fans for the terrible things they have done to the Edmonton Oilers, the city and their fans

if not....

4. At the next game, no fans would show up

5. At the next game, anyone did show up, would throw Oilers jerseys on the ice and walk out five minutes into the third period so the t.v. cameras(preferably HNIC) would get to pan around the arena and see no one there.

I actually do not hold the players responsible ultimately for the past six years. There have been players come and go...yes, they are lazy, entitled, whiners at time, yes we have no good defense, or goalies, and the tiny "skilled" wingers are young and don't know how to play beyond AHL or WHL levels, but look at the unintelligent brutes in the front office and behind the bench, driven by ego, fuelled by pride, inexperienced in their roles and blind to further education or change...the kids don't even stand a chance.

Crazy that you spew this hate but your name is OIlerfanforlife... wow so much for support the club when their down...

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#150 Walter Sobchak
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On articles like this, I sure do miss DSF & Doug the Slug they had some of the most insightful posts, along with great debates.

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