IF THERE'S EVER A CONCERN: HANDS ON

Robin Brownlee
January 08 2014 02:18PM

 

 

Frustration within the passionate and loyal fan base of the Edmonton Oilers is growing by the day and by the loss with the Oilers destined to miss the playoffs for an eighth straight season. Rightfully so.

Much of that frustration -- again, rightfully so -- is being directed at Kevin Lowe, the team's former GM who is now owner Daryl Katz's president of hockey operations. There was a sign of that, literally, at Rexall Place during Tuesday's 5-2 loss to the St. Louis Blues. A fan sitting front row displayed a cardboard sign that read: "Fire Kevin Lowe."

The frustration directed toward Lowe is, in large part, because of the perception that, while he's been bumped out of the hot seat and into the background publicly in his position by Katz, he's still had his fingerprints all over player personnel decisions – trades and free agent signings -- made by former GM Steve Tambellini and now Craig MacTavish.

Actually, perception is the wrong word. Lowe confirmed his participation in the decision-making process Tuesday during a wide-ranging interview on the Jason Gregor Show on TSN 1260. While Lowe didn't get specific about how much influence he has, it's obvious he's hands-on – we're not talking about the façade of the "senior advisor" position Pat Quinn was dumped in.

Lowe has been, as has been noted before, the one constant in Edmonton's front office through these eight years of ineptitude and losing dating back to the 2006 Stanley Cup final, and beyond.

WHAT HE SAID

Gregor asked Lowe what role he played as POHO in the decision-making process with Tambellini and now MacTavish.

"I would say that uh, that uh . . . really, it's a tough, tough question," Lowe said. "Craig is the general manager, as was Steve Tambellini. They go about their business and shop around the NHL with the scouting staff and collectively throughout the organization try to come up with ways to make the hockey club better, whether it's signing a player or trading a player or what have you.

"At the end of the way, when those recommendations or when those ideas come up, Craig will talk to me and get my feelings on it and you know . . . we talk enough over the course of the season that I generally know where he's going on things and, you know, there's an owner that has to make a call in terms of whether you're going to spend the money for a free agent or trade an asset that's been part of the organization for a while, so there's a collective decision being made.

"I mean, if there's any concern that our people can't make decisions without me endorsing them, then that's not accurate. We've always had a, taken the approach from the day that I took over as general manager that we're collectively going to make decisions – not that it's a purely democratic process, but it's wise of you to involve as many people in your organization when you are making decisions.

"It's not a fiefdom where one person says, 'No, this is what we're going to do.' It's a collective group decision on any strategy that the hockey team is going to make. It's not easy. We've been in this rebuild and it's incredibly frustrating for everyone. The fans should know that, for the people that are running the show they are probably, I don't even know if you can compare it, but in terms of frustration, it's incredibly frustrating, but we're in it. We are where we are.

"The only thing we can do is continue to work hard and believe that, in time, if we've done the drafting we hope we've done and we are patient with the young players that they're going to become the players we expect them to be and it'll result in a, you know, positive and exciting hockey team."

(Photo via @quickone1 on Twitter)

STARTS AT THE TOP

Lowe was at the top of Edmonton's management food chain as GM for eight seasons – he had nobody to answer to in hockey operations decisions, except ownership, until he was moved to POHO in July 2008. Essentially, anybody Lowe huddled with when making decisions as the GM was an underling – an assistant GM, members of his scouting staff or coaches. It stands to reason Lowe's opinion carried more weight than anybody else's did.

Was that the case during Tambellini's troubled and indecisive tenure in Lowe's former position? I don't know for sure, but I doubt it. Is that the case now with MacTavish? No way. Still, you'd have to be a fool to think Lowe doesn't carry considerable swing in every hockey decision made now.

Simply put, Lowe had more say than anybody else in the organization in building the Oilers from 2000 to 2008 as GM. At the very least, he has had considerable influence in hockey decisions made since then. That's a span of command and influence approaching 14 seasons.

Draw your own conclusions.

Listen to Robin Brownlee Wednesdays and Thursdays from 3 p.m. to 5 p.m. on the Jason Gregor Show on TEAM 1260.

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#151 camdog
January 09 2014, 12:21PM
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Consultant wrote:

You still don't get it. Lowe is not the coach, and he is not the GM either... If someone skate is not shape enough that also is not Lowe's fault.

Many of those in the Edmonton media say the same thing as you in respect to Lowe. However where I get lost is when they said heads were going to role when Brian Burke was hired to more or less the same position in Calgary.

In Calgary Burke is responsible for the operations of the hockey club, but in Edmonton Lowe is not. I really have trouble understanding the double standard?

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#152 Kr55
January 08 2014, 03:35PM
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David S wrote:
"you know, there's an owner that has to make a call in terms of whether you're going to spend the money for a free agent or trade an asset that's been part of the organization for a while, so there's a collective decision being made"

The whole team is neutered. As Lowe said, inevitably Katz makes the final call. Nothing changes until he makes winning the number 1 objective of this team.

Firing Lowe won't make any difference whatsoever, despite what everybody thinks.

Katz is letting these guys spend to the cap though. Of course it's Katz's fault that we have a terrible team because he keeps Lowe in charge. But if he just replaced Lowe with someone actually qualified to run a team in the NHL in 2014, we would be just fine. Instead of a bunch of stupid ideas being presented to him to OK for blowing all his money, he would get smart ones.

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#153 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 08 2014, 04:07PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Must be a Tier 1 fan.

You joke....but these are the fans that Lowe listens too.....unfortunately there is not as much anger in the general fan base as there is on this site or other social media sites. I'm not saying they are happy with the current state of affairs but they are willing to support the team and wait it out.

I know people who don't analyze things like we do here and they still enjoy going to the games.

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#154 M22
January 08 2014, 06:39PM
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Greg wrote:

Of all the bullsh*t I've read on here... This takes the cake. What the hell??? It hurts to see these type of fans are still out there. The same fans that jump out if their seats when the oilers score late in a game to make it 6-2. Pathetic

We scored 2 goals?!?

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#155 DigDeepNBleedBlue
January 08 2014, 06:42PM
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@Serious Gord

Dude, your negativity is beyond irrational. It's a hockey team, not the presidency of the most powerful nation in the world. LOL

To stay within the times, though:

"You are in more dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history." - Adrian Cronauer

Sorry, brah! I pucking had to. LMFAO!!!

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#156 Time Travelling Sean
January 08 2014, 07:31PM
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IRC Kruger coached us to 10 straight losses down the stretch so he wasn't the savior either. I would've liked him as an assistant coach, but that might've been to awkward.

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#157 Tikkanese
January 09 2014, 01:39PM
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Eakins isn't going anywhere. 5 coaches in 6 years, will not become 6 in 6 or 6 in 7 for that matter. That's just ridiculous. The fact that Eakins AHL squad easily adapted his Swarm and was very succesful with it is further proof that the players are the biggest problem with the Oilers. Not to mention that OKC has adapted the Swarm this season with no problems.

The assistant coaches could and quite possibly should be on the move.

Some of the players will be on the move first. It's just a matter of time. MacT doesn't want to make losing trades just for the sake of a shakeup and why should he? The season is lost already anyways.

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#158 Rob...
January 09 2014, 03:54PM
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outdoorzguy wrote:

What else could Loser Lowe do? Be the flu vaccinator at a Rexall pharmacy?

Sounds good. That way he can stick it to Oiler fans for years to come.

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#159 RJ
January 09 2014, 10:38PM
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This type of article makes me wonder about Jim Nill. Apprenticed for a long time with a successful org. Then when he decided to go out on his own, he had the knowledge and experience to act bold, not just talk about it.

If I was a hot prospect GM, why would I come to Edmonton when I know KLowe is going to stand over my shoulder monitoring everything? I could care less about the GM getting along with the Edmonton media. Get one that produces. Clean out all the cobwebs from the KLowe days. Ditch MacT. Keep Eakins. And bring in someone who doesn't carry the stink of KLowe.

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#160 **
January 08 2014, 03:56PM
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If there is ever a concern...

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#161 Craig
January 08 2014, 05:01PM
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Very disappointing to hear robin back track on his story on air.

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#162 pipeline
January 08 2014, 06:45PM
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I disagree with those who say that the Edmonton media can't be tough on the Oilers because they might lose access. Performance dictates coverage, if the media is not critical when performance is abysmal they are merely lapdogs. Denying access to a reporter who is critical, even though objective and fair would make the Oilers look mean spirited and increase the fan's frustration with the organization. If a media outlet was denied access it should stop covering the team till acess is reinstated--this would be more damaging to the team than the media organization. The reporters that cover the legislature don't pull their punches because they are afraid of repercussions. They do the job of informing the public and speaking truth to power with journalistic integrity as they are paid to do.

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#163 Arius Mumin
January 08 2014, 10:22PM
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@Anton

The irony is that his name translates to win, but the Oilers have mostly been doing otherwise since his arrival.

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#164 Serious Gord
January 09 2014, 10:36AM
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Consultant wrote:

You still don't get it. Lowe is not the coach, and he is not the GM either... If someone skate is not shape enough that also is not Lowe's fault.

Actually, it is evident from klowe himself that he is involved in both those position's decisions - thus he is responsible and at fault.

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#165 S cottV
January 09 2014, 02:03PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

Eakins isn't going anywhere. 5 coaches in 6 years, will not become 6 in 6 or 6 in 7 for that matter. That's just ridiculous. The fact that Eakins AHL squad easily adapted his Swarm and was very succesful with it is further proof that the players are the biggest problem with the Oilers. Not to mention that OKC has adapted the Swarm this season with no problems.

The assistant coaches could and quite possibly should be on the move.

Some of the players will be on the move first. It's just a matter of time. MacT doesn't want to make losing trades just for the sake of a shakeup and why should he? The season is lost already anyways.

Well - I think he is on the cusp of losing the room and it won't take much more adversity before it's gone. Once you lose the room - you're done.

He has had long enough to ingrain his systems and philosophies, to the point that we should be seeing some improvements. Indications of a player group buy in that gives a sense of things coming together. After a reasonable time a coach is only as good as his ability to influence his players to buy in.

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#166 steelymac
January 09 2014, 02:56PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

Eakins isn't going anywhere. 5 coaches in 6 years, will not become 6 in 6 or 6 in 7 for that matter. That's just ridiculous. The fact that Eakins AHL squad easily adapted his Swarm and was very succesful with it is further proof that the players are the biggest problem with the Oilers. Not to mention that OKC has adapted the Swarm this season with no problems.

The assistant coaches could and quite possibly should be on the move.

Some of the players will be on the move first. It's just a matter of time. MacT doesn't want to make losing trades just for the sake of a shakeup and why should he? The season is lost already anyways.

The NHL and AHL are two different things.The AHL is made up of players that 95% are not capable of playing at the NHL speed where the "SWARM" may work.Eakins never had the Halls,Yaks or any other world class prospects to develop and its showing with the way they are developing.Thoroughbreds don't pull plows they race.Eakins has to adapt his systems to the players on the roster and the way they are used.The thing standing in the way of that is his EGO or inexperience with those types of players.I am all for him teaching Yak the 200 foot game but the personality he portrays I am not.I would hope he praises Yak after the last game cause in my eyes he was great.The AHL can be a scrambley game comparedes to the NHL and that's been well documented,so in my opinion the "SWARM" may work better in the AHL then the NHL.If there is a successful team in the NHL employing that system I would like to see it,if not Eakins has to adapt to one that works for the OIL.

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#167 outdoorzguy
January 09 2014, 04:21PM
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HOFFFF wrote:

Eakins has played for 20 different teams in 15 years. He was either a weak player or knew nothing about how the game is played. Our goalie coach only played 34 games in the NHL. Bucky and Steve Smith? Theres a couple of tacticians. Howson? Bizarre.

Eakins is at best a good car salesman. He sure sold McTavish a bill of goods on his supposed abilities. But then again, McTavish took the bait without any real due diligence.

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#168 The Real Scuba Steve
January 09 2014, 08:24PM
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Rob F wrote:

how is this Kevin Lowes problem.

Hes not the one not back checking, or playing 60 minutes a night. This is the a player problem and their dogged playing.

Unfortunately as the Oilers were finishing 30th and 29th, there were no Towes, or Crosbys or Malkins or Ovechkins.

Its just been a bad time to finish last

Get over it, He is POHO not GM or coach or player

Its easy for everyone to just want someone fired. He has a family and bills like everybody else. I find it quite distasteful that everyone want another person to be fired and out of a job

you 'fans' are so bloodthirsty......bad carma......shame on you

You.. uh.. spelled.. Karma wrong...

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#169 Ryan2
January 09 2014, 10:33PM
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camdog wrote:

I am not an expert on the Swarm, but if what you are saying is correct, it's just as much on Mact as it is on Eakins.

It is on MacT as well, but if you want to watch a clinic on how to beat the SWARM there is the Detroit game (5-0 loss). Watch how they would move the puck quickly and in two or three passes have a wide open lane for a forward or d-man to take a pass in the high to low slot. There were a number of other games that it was brutally evident as well.

The simple fact is that Kruger got more out of a weaker roster last year than Eakins is with a stronger team this year. That comes down to coaching.

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#170 **
January 08 2014, 04:20PM
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anonymous wrote:

Sure BEATS what you afre always holding in your hand!

the pot calling the kettle black. now please excuse me, my hand is busy.

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#171 A-Mc
January 08 2014, 04:36PM
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Craig wrote:

Can someone explain to me why know one else is writing this? I don't understand why guys who write for the sun and journal don't jump all over this but they will when it comes to 8am practices.

Credible writers tend to stick to facts they can prove. Until Lowe bumbled his way through a well placed question by Gregor, there was absolutely no proof of what he really did in the organization.

Even with the interview response, there is much left to be desired in terms of details, but it's a start.

I would suggest a sneaky follow up question like: "Have you ever had to pull the reigns on one of your GMs when maybe they wanted to make a move that you just couldn't let happen?"

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#172 Kr55
January 08 2014, 04:49PM
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Craig wrote:

What about the reporter who got kevin worked up the last press conference, is he still around?

John MacKinnon I believe was the guy. Looks like he has been writing about the Esks and mainly game review type articles about the Oilers. Don't think he was sticking his neck out with his questioning of Lowe quite as much as some other "insider" type guys would have been.

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#173 Lawndemon
January 08 2014, 04:55PM
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HOFFFF wrote:

The Krueger Factor

A real underrated ingredient for Team Canada has been the presence of Ralph Krueger as a consultant to the coaching staff. “A huge assistance, real smart,” Team Canada coach Mike Babcock told ESPN.com on Tuesday. Babcock said Krueger was going to join him for three Red Wings games in the next week starting in San Jose on Thursday to update him on what he’s picked up overseas ahead of the Olympics. The Canadian coaching staff as a whole has raved about his impact since last summer. Krueger was coach of the Swiss national team for a dozen years, from 1998 through 2010, and his experience with the international game already has proved immeasurable to the Canadian coaches. Krueger has been central in consulting Canada’s transition to the larger international ice surface, but he’s also been key in other areas, as relayed to ESPN.com Wednesday by Team Canada assistant coach Ken Hitchcock:

I miss Ralph...

Just for the hell of it, replace the name Krueger with the name Eakins.

Now it's funny!

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#174 Serious Gord
January 09 2014, 08:55AM
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-30- wrote:

If this keeps up maybe Oilersnation will also receive a letter from Katz lawyers asking them to remove the word "Oilers" from the website? LOL

I say that until Lowe is removed from his position that we all boycott Rexall Drugs and give our business to Shoppers, etc.

As long as this "toy" isn't costing him money he'll continue to NOT be serious about making the team a contender. They're his "toy soldiers". He's living his fantasy.

-30-

Were i in charge of that radio station I would make sure the letter from katz was read on-air every morning...

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#175 Serious Gord
January 09 2014, 10:51AM
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admiralmark wrote:

Personally I feel Bucky and Smith have had more of an influence on this team since 2006. Certainly in the last few years. And what have we got to show for their work as asst coaches? Firing Lowe at this point will only serve to placate the fanbase and maybe thats needed? I'd like to see all 3 go and get a fresh start in all 3 areas.

Fire lowe - the guy who has kept buck and smith in place all these years - and let the new POHO clean house at a pace and way he determines to be the best

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#176 Dave
January 09 2014, 10:15PM
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steelymac wrote:

Eakins as a coach in the NHL has to adapt and not at the 28th game mark.He blew smoke up MacTs ass as to how he would do it and you know what he should sell used cars on Jasper ave.

Edmonton Motors can do better.

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#177 To do with nothing
January 08 2014, 03:16PM
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Best Minor hockey league teams name:

Beacon Heights Bandits [ Yosimite Sam was our logo] Kilkenny Komets Next ?

Yeah- tired of reading about losing and Lowe...

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#178 Cynic
January 08 2014, 03:21PM
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There is one person in that photo who is critical to Carpetbagger Katz's tenure as owner of the Oilers. And it's not Kevin Lowe.

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#179 jybute
January 08 2014, 04:56PM
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@wizeman

Actually, you're mistaken. There isn't a business owner in the world who would fire his chief executive if that company was literally making money in piles the way the oilers are. I've been saying this for a long time. The only way there will ever be a change, is if people stop buying tickets. Katz is a fan, no doubt. But he's a business man first.

Unfortunately, with this new TV deal from Rogers, the oilers will still make money, even if half of season seats are not picked up next year, or the year after, or the year after.

We can only hope that the luck involved in building a winner comes full circle in the next couple years. Because let's face it. There is no GM who has been able to build a winner just because he's good at spotting talent. There is a lot of luck that goes along with it.

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#180 Arius Mumin
January 08 2014, 05:08PM
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Moog's helmet wrote:

Well we know Kevin Lowe can help assemble the best team in hockey (Canadian men's olympic team) and the worst ( Edmonton Oilers) Question is, can he do anything in between? He had a great run of decision making in 2006 but I think at this point we can safely chalk that up to a fluke. I know a lot of people say "Why fire him? What does that do? Will the team improve? No." But his time is up, just like Horcoff's was. He's emblematic of this team's failure and based on his history there is a zero percent chance he's helping this team get better going forward. Zero. He assures us he's just as frustrated as the fans. That's cute. Wonder if making millions of dollars to watch this team makes it any easier. I'd love to give it a try.

Gagner is a curse. As soon as they get him off that team all will be right again.

I assumed you were talking about Gagner when I read"wonder if making millions of dollars to watch this team".

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#181 wizeman
January 08 2014, 05:18PM
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@jybute

I lived thru the Ballard years in Toronto and see the same thing happening here. Lowe was put in place to run a hockey team. Using your argument can you imagine how much more he would make if this team was winning. You or I could make this team make money given the loyalty here in this city. What most fans want is a competitive team. Changes are necessary if only to improve the optics of the situation. ( See coaching carousel)

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#182 GTL
January 08 2014, 09:06PM
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Everything that is klowe, is why I'm an indifferent fan. In case he is concerned.

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#183 Rotten Ron
January 09 2014, 09:56AM
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Anyone one else on here recieve a call from the Oilers re:"fan experiance as a season ticket holder"?

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#184 bdiddy18
January 09 2014, 11:38AM
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While Kevin Lowe is undeniably a central figure and the most influential of the management team, if you think Craig Mactavish, Dallas Eakins and Stu McGregor and the owner Darryl Katz are a bunch of YES men, well you clearly dont hold any of these men in high regard.

in the personalities and interviews of all these indiviudals, there is no way you can conlude that any of the rest of the centrepieces are a bunch of pushovers.

yes there assistants as well (Olyck, Howson, Acton, Buchberger and Smith) but when the chips fall, its Katz, Lowe, MacT, Eakins and McGregor that would form the final call on a player or draft pick

AND I highly doubt a discussion at that table is a bunch of robots dancing the same tune. AND it should be a group deciding...provides more perspective and more debate to the decision.

People love to make complexity out of everything. I go back to the first ever press conference (actually the only one - LOL) Katz has ever had... We he took on the ownership of the team he stated - he wasn't interest in a playoff team he was interested in a team that could dominate the league again. He wants MULTIPLE CUPS not 8th/9th place finishes.

The stark reality is the Oilers were not even close to being a multiple cup threat when he took over and really no potential in its system to become one. Basically starting again like a 1979 expansion team with one MAJOR difference - this time they didn't have a teenager that was going to be the greatest of all time already under contract and begin his career with the Oilers.

For the first part of Katz "multiple cup" agenda they did try to purchase it (Hossa, Heatley, Vanek) etc when the finally realized it was a useless endevaour - they braced for the build within format which they UNDERESTIMATED the length of time it would take.

But they are in it thick now. There is no point of return other than sludge on through. Outside of the draft picks which are demonstrating the potential of what is to come...the rest is a mess.

perhaps by design though...remember the Multiple Cup agenda.... you need a cupboard full of promising prospects not just one or two to complete the feat.

Doubt the leadership all you want that they can't finish the job. But they are not changing any time soon so I'm hoping they can - I got nothing left but hope, everything else has been drained out of me over these 8 years.

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#185 S cottV
January 09 2014, 01:21PM
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tileguy wrote:

What I would do to fix this broken wagon.

Katz... finf Klowe a nice cerimonial position within Rexall.

Tell MacT you have until the end of the 2015 season to turn things around, Make a bold move, we understand you have to give up value to receive value, do it when it is right to do it.

MacT... decide on Eakins now, if he is a failure lets move on, if you think he is on to something he gets to the end of the 2015 season as well.

New assistants, lets shed the boys on the bus image now. I would also explore the idea of bringing back Krueger to co-coach.

Katz will have to make Lowe an offer to retire that he cant refuse.

MacT given until the end of 2015 to show tangible progress, including a strong challenge for a playoff spot. The team will probably not make the playoffs next year, but should play meaningful games until the end of the season.

MacT makes the playoffs in 2016 or is gone.

Two key time frames to decide on Eakins. The Olympic break and the end of the season. The team needs a Coach that can get this player group to somewhat over achieve, rather than under achieve. .500 hockey between now and the Olympic break would be an over achievement. Less than .300 hockey and cut Eakins loose. If he survives the Olympic break, give him similar targets to close out the season. If he over achieves, then keep him - as long as other intangibles are truly positive.

I have my doubts that he is the right man for the job. The player group looks the farthest thing from being willing to run thru a wall for this guy.

They need a kick ass Coach with enough charisma to not lose the player group in the process.

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#186 outdoorzguy
January 09 2014, 04:19PM
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ubermiguel wrote:

Love that show. Who would be the host and come into yell at KLowe? I would love to see Messier tear him a new one. Bowman would have the experience and expertise.

I thought that was what Pat Quinn was supposed to do. Is Pat Quinn still being paid? Or is it Mark Messier's job? What does Mark Messier do? This is a very strange organization.

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#187 Blucifer Copperballs
January 08 2014, 03:35PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Castor Raiders

...tough to beat.

Book Hockey

NOTE* you will have to say it a few times fast to get it.

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#188 anonymous
January 08 2014, 04:18PM
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** wrote:

He puts on six championship rings and holds his bank account statement on his hand. Then he just smiles from ear to ear.

Sure BEATS what you afre always holding in your hand!

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#189 Moog's helmet
January 08 2014, 05:05PM
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Well we know Kevin Lowe can help assemble the best team in hockey (Canadian men's olympic team) and the worst ( Edmonton Oilers) Question is, can he do anything in between? He had a great run of decision making in 2006 but I think at this point we can safely chalk that up to a fluke. I know a lot of people say "Why fire him? What does that do? Will the team improve? No." But his time is up, just like Horcoff's was. He's emblematic of this team's failure and based on his history there is a zero percent chance he's helping this team get better going forward. Zero. He assures us he's just as frustrated as the fans. That's cute. Wonder if making millions of dollars to watch this team makes it any easier. I'd love to give it a try.

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#190 Anton
January 09 2014, 12:20AM
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dougtheslug wrote:

I had the opportunity recently to chat with the CEO of a hugely successful company headquartered in Edmonton, a company that does business to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.

The conversation swung around to the Oilers and he said, "The Oilers are a textbook case of a Toxic Organization. For the next few decades, Business Schools will use them as an example, in their Organizational Management courses, of what not to do."

This from a guy who has no axe to grind with anyone, just making an informed, objective observation.

That is truly debatable, if you are looking at just the W-L column then yes that Oilers is a poorly run franchise. In business standpoint that considering the team is still making profit and has tons of marketable pieces within the franchise then it is not a "toxic organization".

If a team doesn't need to win and still manage to pull in the profit, then why the ownership need to concern about how the image of the team is representing? We can only assume that if the team kept on this downward spiral that eventually the franchise will see the deficit. However if the team is start losing money that Katz may even reconsider his relocating plan that he has suggested in the past. Sadly, he is holding this team hostage against the fans of Edmonton by not stopping being a vicious malevolent businessman.

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#191 Reg Dunlop
January 09 2014, 01:01AM
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Doofus wrote:

Robin, what was your reason for not making slight grammatical corrections in Lowe's comments?

I have listened to many of the interviews Gregor has had and read his printed version, and it's obvious that he corrects the slight flubs almost everyone makes in conversation. It seems that you deliberately wanted Lowe to look bad and even reported him saying "At the end of the way" when it's obvious he meant to say "end of the day"

I could not agree with you more! While we are at it I thought that I should make slight corrections in your post. Here goes.

" It seems that you deliberately tried, unsuccessfully, to make Lowe out to be somewhat competent when we all know he failed to finish high school. You even reported him saying 'Oiler fans are suckers' when it's obvious he meant to say 'I resign'.

How did I do Doofus? Hopefully RB learns that what someone says is less important than what you thought they meant.

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#192 madjam
January 09 2014, 08:33AM
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One can hardly blame Tams for the mistakes of the group , as his hands were obviously tied by that group . Sounds like Katz and Lowe run the show , while others are simply pawns .

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#193 SRELIOFAN
January 09 2014, 10:54AM
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As much as we'd love to see Kblowe resign, I think we can all admit it's not gonna happen...He is way too damn proud and stubborn. Katz needs to stop counting his money from the Rogers Place deal long enough to fulfill his responsibilities as an owner of a professional sports team and fire Mr. "if there's ever a concern..." Like NOW!

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#194 Spydyr
January 09 2014, 11:01AM
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On the business end of things Katz has done well for himself with the Oilers. He paid 200 million for them in 2007.They are now worth 400 million. That is one nice return on his investment. He has a new taxpayer funded arena going up. Now there is word he has his hand in an office tower to be built to house City employees. Pretty sweet deal.

The problem with the Oilers is the on ice product and that buck stops at The President of Hockey Operations (POHO).

Full STOP.

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#195 Chris.
January 09 2014, 03:48PM
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I also don't think Craig MacTavish automatically deserves more time as GM.

During his long tenure as coach both Craig and Kevin publicly acknowledged that MacTavish had considerable input and influence on many managerial player personnel type decisions. Klowe, Howsen and MacTavish rebuilt the roster after Pronger left in a manner they belived would be competitive in the "New NHL"...

Now that the whole band is back together there are already similar patterns emerging from both eras: the inflated expectations, flip flops, knee jerk reactions, drama, and lack of general due diligence. All of this seems to illustrate that these guys have no real plan and are kind of just winging it.

. Are we building through the draft... or is this years first overall pick in play? (depends on the day I guess) Do we "change gears" and begin to really stockpile NHL players... or ship guys out for futures... (Smid?)

The MacIntyre thing is most disturbing. Would that be a flip flop or a knee jerk? How about basic poor due diligence? Maybe the fellas at Kingsway didn't really know what they had in Gadzdic... but there is no excuse to not have a bead on Smac's ability. Certainly the plan could not have been to push up tight against the contract limit with guys like McIntyre and Grebeshkov so that guys like Smid need to be dumped to make room to replace a useless goalie recommended by pro scouting.....

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#196 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
January 09 2014, 05:14PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Not defending Krueger - I think he was a mistake - but take a look at the schedule and the last ten games of this season:

SJ Anh NYR SJ Anh Pho Anh Col La Van

How many of those games is an Eakins-coached team going to win?

Had to trash on the Krueger comment. in that you think he was a mistake

He did a good job considering he had no real training camp.

He asked for help during the season (mact confirmed this after eakins hire) and didn't get it.

He was a rookie head coach who actually got some results (yes on a minor scale but compared to what is going on right now it looks miraculous)

He was building and espirit de cour within the team some guys were liking it (Yak said he loved the atmosphere under krueger) some may not have liked it I have never heard anyone being negative about him that way.

Krueger certainly not perfect but was only gonna get better.

So Detroit brings in Renney and looks like they are gonna bring in krueger. Not saying it will work but i trust the job the wings have done over the last 20 years. they have proven to be faily intelligent. Makes Lowe and MacT look aweful right now

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#197 jay
January 09 2014, 10:20PM
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RSD wrote:

You missed Die Nasty's point. He is saying that it doesn't matter what the fans have to say about how D.Katz's company is being ran. If the fans were revolt, Rexall would be 3/4 empty. Throwing a jersey on the ice is not revolt it is a gesture of disgust. If someone gives up their season tickets because they are fed-up with the hockey based results, then why is there 10 people in line to buy them. That my friend is the exact results that Mr.Katz cares about. Hockey based results are for fans, stats people and the media.

No I understand DieNastie's point. He's good stuff. I understand that $ is the bottom line. I just think the growing resentment etc. is reaching a breaking point and that Mr. Lowe's time is limited. Thats all, just another point of view.

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#198 camdog
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Moog's helmet wrote:

Well we know Kevin Lowe can help assemble the best team in hockey (Canadian men's olympic team) and the worst ( Edmonton Oilers) Question is, can he do anything in between? He had a great run of decision making in 2006 but I think at this point we can safely chalk that up to a fluke. I know a lot of people say "Why fire him? What does that do? Will the team improve? No." But his time is up, just like Horcoff's was. He's emblematic of this team's failure and based on his history there is a zero percent chance he's helping this team get better going forward. Zero. He assures us he's just as frustrated as the fans. That's cute. Wonder if making millions of dollars to watch this team makes it any easier. I'd love to give it a try.

"Sometimes change is good for both the organization and the player, but at the same time they're valuable players and we're not in a position where we're able to move them without getting something substantial in return...I have a lot of allegiance and a lot of loyalty to 'Horc' and to Ales. I have a lot of respect for both those players. But from both those perspectives, I think the ideal scenario would be to move them on and wish them the best in their next destination."

Craig Mactavish

Sometimes a fresh outlook given years of losing is good for the player/the team President.

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#199 mlselli
January 09 2014, 08:32AM
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Just waiting for Katz to send a text "Kevin Lowe isn't going anywhere." We all know what happens when he his the send button. Just ask MacT. To refresh the memories of the readers that may not be aware, Mac suddenly found himself stepping down as a head coach after Katz responded to the fans calling for Macs' head. C'mon Katz, send another text. Fans are anxiously waiting, #FIRELOWE

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#200 Mustangheart
January 09 2014, 10:25AM
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@Dave

As many others have commented on; Just stop going to the games, buying Oilers merchandise boycott Rexall etc. The only thing any owner of any business understands and will make serious changes is in "lost revenue".

Food for thought. KLowe should be commended on his contribution to the organization after years of service, but everything and everyone has a "shelf life". It is very clear that KLowe has lost the trust of the fan base and by the teams performance, probably the players too.

If Katz ever grows a set of balls and does the right thing and fires KLowe, who could be hired to turn the organization around. It's easy to criticise, but lets help Katz find the replacement.

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