IF THERE'S EVER A CONCERN: HANDS ON

Robin Brownlee
January 08 2014 02:18PM

 

 

Frustration within the passionate and loyal fan base of the Edmonton Oilers is growing by the day and by the loss with the Oilers destined to miss the playoffs for an eighth straight season. Rightfully so.

Much of that frustration -- again, rightfully so -- is being directed at Kevin Lowe, the team's former GM who is now owner Daryl Katz's president of hockey operations. There was a sign of that, literally, at Rexall Place during Tuesday's 5-2 loss to the St. Louis Blues. A fan sitting front row displayed a cardboard sign that read: "Fire Kevin Lowe."

The frustration directed toward Lowe is, in large part, because of the perception that, while he's been bumped out of the hot seat and into the background publicly in his position by Katz, he's still had his fingerprints all over player personnel decisions – trades and free agent signings -- made by former GM Steve Tambellini and now Craig MacTavish.

Actually, perception is the wrong word. Lowe confirmed his participation in the decision-making process Tuesday during a wide-ranging interview on the Jason Gregor Show on TSN 1260. While Lowe didn't get specific about how much influence he has, it's obvious he's hands-on – we're not talking about the façade of the "senior advisor" position Pat Quinn was dumped in.

Lowe has been, as has been noted before, the one constant in Edmonton's front office through these eight years of ineptitude and losing dating back to the 2006 Stanley Cup final, and beyond.

WHAT HE SAID

Gregor asked Lowe what role he played as POHO in the decision-making process with Tambellini and now MacTavish.

"I would say that uh, that uh . . . really, it's a tough, tough question," Lowe said. "Craig is the general manager, as was Steve Tambellini. They go about their business and shop around the NHL with the scouting staff and collectively throughout the organization try to come up with ways to make the hockey club better, whether it's signing a player or trading a player or what have you.

"At the end of the way, when those recommendations or when those ideas come up, Craig will talk to me and get my feelings on it and you know . . . we talk enough over the course of the season that I generally know where he's going on things and, you know, there's an owner that has to make a call in terms of whether you're going to spend the money for a free agent or trade an asset that's been part of the organization for a while, so there's a collective decision being made.

"I mean, if there's any concern that our people can't make decisions without me endorsing them, then that's not accurate. We've always had a, taken the approach from the day that I took over as general manager that we're collectively going to make decisions – not that it's a purely democratic process, but it's wise of you to involve as many people in your organization when you are making decisions.

"It's not a fiefdom where one person says, 'No, this is what we're going to do.' It's a collective group decision on any strategy that the hockey team is going to make. It's not easy. We've been in this rebuild and it's incredibly frustrating for everyone. The fans should know that, for the people that are running the show they are probably, I don't even know if you can compare it, but in terms of frustration, it's incredibly frustrating, but we're in it. We are where we are.

"The only thing we can do is continue to work hard and believe that, in time, if we've done the drafting we hope we've done and we are patient with the young players that they're going to become the players we expect them to be and it'll result in a, you know, positive and exciting hockey team."

(Photo via @quickone1 on Twitter)

STARTS AT THE TOP

Lowe was at the top of Edmonton's management food chain as GM for eight seasons – he had nobody to answer to in hockey operations decisions, except ownership, until he was moved to POHO in July 2008. Essentially, anybody Lowe huddled with when making decisions as the GM was an underling – an assistant GM, members of his scouting staff or coaches. It stands to reason Lowe's opinion carried more weight than anybody else's did.

Was that the case during Tambellini's troubled and indecisive tenure in Lowe's former position? I don't know for sure, but I doubt it. Is that the case now with MacTavish? No way. Still, you'd have to be a fool to think Lowe doesn't carry considerable swing in every hockey decision made now.

Simply put, Lowe had more say than anybody else in the organization in building the Oilers from 2000 to 2008 as GM. At the very least, he has had considerable influence in hockey decisions made since then. That's a span of command and influence approaching 14 seasons.

Draw your own conclusions.

Listen to Robin Brownlee Wednesdays and Thursdays from 3 p.m. to 5 p.m. on the Jason Gregor Show on TEAM 1260.

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#51 Tikkanese
January 08 2014, 02:54PM
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I would think most, if not all teams involve everyone from GM, Asst GM, coaches, scouts, President and most definately the owners on every trade and signing. I don't know why you are surprised.

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#52 The Soup Fascist
January 08 2014, 02:59PM
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At the end of this year the Oilers will have made the playoffs twice in the last 12 years. This is atrocious.

The Oilers are, for all intents and purposes, a "cap team" who, halfway through the season are last in the conference - a mere 18 points out of a wildcard spot. Unacceptable is not a strong enough word.

A common thread throughout this stretch has been Mr. Lowe. I do not dislike Mr. Lowe. No matter what I think of his hockey management skills I would never say he is not an intelligent individual. I also think his motives are sincere.

However, it is not working. There is no end in sight. The team is headed in the wrong direction. A very loyal and (too) patient fan base has had enough. I can only hope Mr. Lowe does the right thing and falls on his sword and resigns - and soon. It is the right thing to do.

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#53 HOFFFF
January 08 2014, 04:01PM
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The Krueger Factor

A real underrated ingredient for Team Canada has been the presence of Ralph Krueger as a consultant to the coaching staff. “A huge assistance, real smart,” Team Canada coach Mike Babcock told ESPN.com on Tuesday. Babcock said Krueger was going to join him for three Red Wings games in the next week starting in San Jose on Thursday to update him on what he’s picked up overseas ahead of the Olympics. The Canadian coaching staff as a whole has raved about his impact since last summer. Krueger was coach of the Swiss national team for a dozen years, from 1998 through 2010, and his experience with the international game already has proved immeasurable to the Canadian coaches. Krueger has been central in consulting Canada’s transition to the larger international ice surface, but he’s also been key in other areas, as relayed to ESPN.com Wednesday by Team Canada assistant coach Ken Hitchcock:

I miss Ralph...

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#54 **
January 08 2014, 04:04PM
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Jerry wrote:

Anybody else with Kevin Lowe's record would have been fired years ago.

He is a joke. Unfortunately the joke is on the fans.

How does this guy look himself in the mirror.

He puts on six championship rings and holds his bank account statement on his hand. Then he just smiles from ear to ear.

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#55 wizeman
January 08 2014, 04:07PM
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Nowhere in the business world would a management team survive with the results this organization has had in the last ten years. Lowe, MacTavish, LaForge,Howson, Smith, Buchberger, Macgregor, Semenko and all of the scouting team are to blame for this mess. When you hire inexperienced individuals, suggest bold moves, rid yourself of the kind of defenceman you are now in need of you have to shake your head. "Its the definition of insanity" Doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result.How can anyone take this organization seriously when the owner is nowhere to be seen except to threaten the city with relocation. Yet despite all this we are to look forward to a new area and a playoff team to fill it. ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! As long as the fans show up at the rink nothing will change.

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#56 Oneeye
January 08 2014, 04:19PM
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Thank You for putting to print this article. It's about time someone with influence(us their 2 fans having none) starts to look at at the feeling amongst many. These guys have had plenty of time to prove anything... And have proved nothing so let's move on.

I wish more media had your independance.

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#57 Randaman
January 08 2014, 04:20PM
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Romanus wrote:

Ditto. Have had problems giving tickets away this year when I can't go.

They even had the nerve to up the parking prices this week, which means I now have to pay even more to go watch this crap.

Neither one of you will give up your tickets though will you? Wouldn't want to give up your seats in the new building? This is why Katz makes no changes. Why should he? Rebellion is more than posting, it takes ACTION! Easy for me to say I know but still...

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#58 CMG30
January 08 2014, 04:32PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

You joke....but these are the fans that Lowe listens too.....unfortunately there is not as much anger in the general fan base as there is on this site or other social media sites. I'm not saying they are happy with the current state of affairs but they are willing to support the team and wait it out.

I know people who don't analyze things like we do here and they still enjoy going to the games.

I for one don't mind that Klowe made that statement because it's the bare truth. The people who pay the most get the most consideration. It might have been tone deaf but at least he had the balls to say it.

The unfortunate part is that it seems that the people who can afford the season tickets and skyboxes are not necessarily the people who care the most about the team. But as long as the people paying the bills are content nothing changes. If you want to know how long that can go on check out Toronto...

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#59 Hockey mom
January 08 2014, 06:11PM
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Sisyphus wrote:

I just feel badly for players like Hall. Drafted #1, should have had a glorious career. Made the mistake of signing a long contract in Edmonton, and has essentially locked himself into losing for the next 3-4 years as badly as this year.

Everyone knows unfortunately players like him won't have a remote shot of getting out of town unless they flat out refuse a trade. And even then, I can't see Oilers moving Hall--if they move him, they admit the past 6 years have been a bust. Never happening.

Poor guy. Sorry that you're stuck Hallsy--you really are a great player and deserve so much better than this pathetic joke of an organization

How right you are! Nurse should beware of any long term contracts with the oilers as we'll.

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#60 Oiler63
January 08 2014, 09:38PM
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Brian wrote:

The sad part is that the Boys on the Bus legacy as champions is being forgotten; replaced by sentiments that they are collectively incompetent and must disappear .

"Boys on the Bus as champions" and "collectively incompetent" are two different things. Don't mix them together. It's insulting to every Oilers fan rightfully calling Lowe to step down!

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#61 Serious Gord
January 08 2014, 11:03PM
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Consultant wrote:

Do you not see that Babcock and Hitchcock are coaches?

People here seem to not understand that coaches, gm's and presidents have different responsibilities, and that firing Lowe cause Eakins can't do his job is barking up the wrong tree.

Shocked this escapes so many people here, I guess we get blinded by the rage and the passion...

Some people here referring to Lowe as just a Katz buddy; learn a little history, Kevin Lowe has given a lot to this club and its history and here we are on a witch hunt running the original Oiler out of town.

Jesus.

Fine. you want GM examples - the San Jose sharks, the la kings, the boston bruins, the red wings. All of those teams were going nowhere until they changed the GM.

The oil management is a mess from top to bottom - lousy roster, lousy coaching, lousy assistant coaching. And all that was put in place with the participation and approval of one man - and if there is any concern or doubt you can read the transcript above - Kevin Lowe.

Your comments disgrace your nom de plume - and that takes some doing.

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#62 Rick Stroppel
January 09 2014, 09:46AM
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Doofus wrote:

Robin, what was your reason for not making slight grammatical corrections in Lowe's comments?

I have listened to many of the interviews Gregor has had and read his printed version, and it's obvious that he corrects the slight flubs almost everyone makes in conversation. It seems that you deliberately wanted Lowe to look bad and even reported him saying "At the end of the way" when it's obvious he meant to say "end of the day"

KEVIN LOWE IS NOT "ARTICULATE"

I think it was unusual, but not unfair, for Mr. Brownlee to show us EXACTLY what Lowe said. This is why.

Many (not all) of the media in this city have been involved in a collective man-crush on the Oilers Glory Boys for about the last 15 years. When they "interview" them, generally they whip them with wet noodles (eg. Bob Stauffer). Part of this sucking-up involves propagating the MYTH that Lowe and MacTavish are "articulate" and "well-spoken". In fact, Lowe and MacTavish use big words and obtuse language to try and make themselves sound smarter than they really are. When you consider the actual CONTENT of what they are saying, often it makes no sense.

Brian Burke and Jay Feaster were right. Lowe is a dunce. The team is wandering in the wilderness, despite all the high draft picks.

Everybody in this city needs to wake up to these facts. The 2006 Stanley Cup run was a dead fluke. Lowe and MacTavish are dummies.

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#63 Brian
January 09 2014, 06:32PM
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Consultant wrote:

Just a loyal fan with perhaps too much nastalgia and too much optimism.

Nostalgia.

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#64 TeddyTurnbuckle
January 08 2014, 02:50PM
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Have we traded Gagner yet

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#65 2004Z06
January 08 2014, 02:52PM
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Safe to say that security will be checking everyone for signs at the next game?

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#66 Kr55
January 08 2014, 02:52PM
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Well, nice to have confirmation Lowe is involved in every decision. Also have to remember all these people involved in the decision making process are people he picked to join the team. Basically everything this team does roots back to Kevin Lowe. That will include when we break Florida's 10 season playoff drought record. I hope that is a proud day for him.

The only hope for this team is a complete house cleaning. Anyone fired below Lowe will just be replaced by another Lowe guy.

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#67 vetinari
January 08 2014, 03:12PM
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It's a mess.

Lowe's record is basically that when he was GM, he kept the team hovering around playoff contention, some years in and some years out, and had one Cup run before being booted upstairs and everything imploded... and that implosion is still going on.

Whether he is the final decision-maker on the team or the chief amongst a group of decision-makers, the optics remain the same: every guy takes responsibility for the guys immediately below them whether they put them into those positions or not. Eakins wears it when the team underperforms. MacT wears it when Eakins can't work with the players that he has. And Lowe wears it for putting in two successive rookie GMs (Tambellini followed by MacT) on a rebuilding team.

Had either Tambellini or MacT ever been through a rebuild as a GM? No. Had either ever been GMs in the NHL or any other league? No.

Lowe's most damning mark on his record is that his second rookie GM has to rebuild the rebuild that his first rookie GM screwed up-- that alone should be a firing offence at the NHL level.

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#68 Oilers G- Nations Poet Laureate
January 08 2014, 03:12PM
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Simply put it here

KEVIN LOWE HAS GOT TO GO

He's responsible.

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#69 To do with nothing
January 08 2014, 03:16PM
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Best Minor hockey league teams name:

Beacon Heights Bandits [ Yosimite Sam was our logo] Kilkenny Komets Next ?

Yeah- tired of reading about losing and Lowe...

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#70 Greg
January 08 2014, 03:27PM
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W wrote:

You have to give Lowe full marks for being on the show. He is a courageous, bright, passionate man who loves the Oilers and will be successful in the end! Winning or losing is a group and team effort, leave Mr. Lowe alone! He is not the problem nor is Mr. MacTavish or Mr.Eakins!

Of all the bullsh*t I've read on here... This takes the cake. What the hell??? It hurts to see these type of fans are still out there. The same fans that jump out if their seats when the oilers score late in a game to make it 6-2. Pathetic

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#71 A-Mc
January 08 2014, 03:40PM
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I went to Lowes a few times.. I got a good deal on power tools!

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#72 **
January 08 2014, 03:58PM
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@BigE91

makes you wonder indeed. would be interesting to see if Klowe ever gets the boot, how the other GMS change their willingness to make deals with Edmonton.

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#73 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 08 2014, 04:07PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Must be a Tier 1 fan.

You joke....but these are the fans that Lowe listens too.....unfortunately there is not as much anger in the general fan base as there is on this site or other social media sites. I'm not saying they are happy with the current state of affairs but they are willing to support the team and wait it out.

I know people who don't analyze things like we do here and they still enjoy going to the games.

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#74 Rod from Viking
January 08 2014, 04:08PM
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To do with nothing wrote:

Best Minor hockey league teams name:

Beacon Heights Bandits [ Yosimite Sam was our logo] Kilkenny Komets Next ?

Yeah- tired of reading about losing and Lowe...

Our rec hockey team had Chicago Sweaters and the crest had Foghorn Leghorn laying on the ice concussed and the Chicken Hawk skating away with the puck, the name of course was "The Chicken Hawks"

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#75 Pipeline
January 08 2014, 04:17PM
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Thanks Robin for "belling the cat" that is Kevin Lowe. The local mainstream media have long done a disservice to the fans by failing to be objective in covering the Oilers. Kevin Lowe was brought back to Edmonton by Slats (probably because Slats saw him as a similar player to himself--tough, good team player, played through injuries, blocked shots,limited offensive skills, street smart but no post secondary education). Under Slats, Kevin was assistant coach to Ron Low for one year then head coach for two years. In this capacity he did a decent job; the team was competitive and made the playoffs one year. When Slats was let go by the new regime, Cal Nichols inexplicably made Kevin the GM. I say inexplicably because he wasn't qualified for the job, either through administrative experience or academic training. He blundered along as GM until his buddy Mr. Katz bought the team and elevated him to President of Hockey Operations; again without solid credentials for the position. So his reign of error began with Slats but was extended by Cal Nichols and Mr. Katz and all along abetted by the local media who were too intimidated to seriously challenge what was clearly an enfeebled organization. That's why we are in the predicament we are in now.

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#76 Craig
January 08 2014, 04:29PM
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Can someone explain to me why know one else is writing this? I don't understand why guys who write for the sun and journal don't jump all over this but they will when it comes to 8am practices.

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#77 jybute
January 08 2014, 04:56PM
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@wizeman

Actually, you're mistaken. There isn't a business owner in the world who would fire his chief executive if that company was literally making money in piles the way the oilers are. I've been saying this for a long time. The only way there will ever be a change, is if people stop buying tickets. Katz is a fan, no doubt. But he's a business man first.

Unfortunately, with this new TV deal from Rogers, the oilers will still make money, even if half of season seats are not picked up next year, or the year after, or the year after.

We can only hope that the luck involved in building a winner comes full circle in the next couple years. Because let's face it. There is no GM who has been able to build a winner just because he's good at spotting talent. There is a lot of luck that goes along with it.

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#78 DAVE
January 08 2014, 04:58PM
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Craig wrote:

Can someone explain to me why know one else is writing this? I don't understand why guys who write for the sun and journal don't jump all over this but they will when it comes to 8am practices.

You might have noticed Brownlee only writes the truth as he see's it. That in my estimation is why he does'nt write for either anymore.

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#79 Puck_In_Throat
January 08 2014, 04:59PM
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“Every coach has a shelf life,” Burke said.

“After the last home game, it would be cruel and unusual punishment to let Ron coach another game in the Air Canada Centre.”

This is a quote from Brian Burke after the infamous "Fire Wilson" chant in Toronto.

Tier 1 fans, you know what to do.

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#80 Craig
January 08 2014, 05:01PM
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Very disappointing to hear robin back track on his story on air.

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#81 Harlie
January 08 2014, 05:46PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Castor Raiders

...tough to beat.

I was on a minor soccer team in Fort Saskatchewan in the 80's..we were laughably called..

The Coffee House Blue Boys

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#82 China town man
January 08 2014, 06:25PM
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If my kids wher to miss behave or fall on deaf ears A little smack on the butt cheeks really get their attention!!! So Dallas Eakin loveing your Oiler players like they are your kids is good preaching is great, the only problem is they your kids aren't listening to you your pre game and after game talk is great but it is getting boring same old poop different pile!!! Maybe it is time to open a can of woop ass!!!! Just saying.

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#83 oilcountryforlife
January 08 2014, 09:37PM
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Here are my five wishes for the night

1. Katz would hold a news conference and announce the resignation or firing of Kevin Lowe.

2. McTavish would join in the same news conference and announce the firing of Steve Smith and Kelly Buchberger and the Oilers scouting staff just for fun.

3. At the same news conference, Katz would apologize to the fans for the terrible things they have done to the Edmonton Oilers, the city and their fans

if not....

4. At the next game, no fans would show up

5. At the next game, anyone did show up, would throw Oilers jerseys on the ice and walk out five minutes into the third period so the t.v. cameras(preferably HNIC) would get to pan around the arena and see no one there.

I actually do not hold the players responsible ultimately for the past six years. There have been players come and go...yes, they are lazy, entitled, whiners at time, yes we have no good defense, or goalies, and the tiny "skilled" wingers are young and don't know how to play beyond AHL or WHL levels, but look at the unintelligent brutes in the front office and behind the bench, driven by ego, fuelled by pride, inexperienced in their roles and blind to further education or change...the kids don't even stand a chance.

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#84 dougtheslug
January 08 2014, 11:00PM
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I had the opportunity recently to chat with the CEO of a hugely successful company headquartered in Edmonton, a company that does business to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.

The conversation swung around to the Oilers and he said, "The Oilers are a textbook case of a Toxic Organization. For the next few decades, Business Schools will use them as an example, in their Organizational Management courses, of what not to do."

This from a guy who has no axe to grind with anyone, just making an informed, objective observation.

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#85 S cottV
January 09 2014, 01:21PM
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tileguy wrote:

What I would do to fix this broken wagon.

Katz... finf Klowe a nice cerimonial position within Rexall.

Tell MacT you have until the end of the 2015 season to turn things around, Make a bold move, we understand you have to give up value to receive value, do it when it is right to do it.

MacT... decide on Eakins now, if he is a failure lets move on, if you think he is on to something he gets to the end of the 2015 season as well.

New assistants, lets shed the boys on the bus image now. I would also explore the idea of bringing back Krueger to co-coach.

Katz will have to make Lowe an offer to retire that he cant refuse.

MacT given until the end of 2015 to show tangible progress, including a strong challenge for a playoff spot. The team will probably not make the playoffs next year, but should play meaningful games until the end of the season.

MacT makes the playoffs in 2016 or is gone.

Two key time frames to decide on Eakins. The Olympic break and the end of the season. The team needs a Coach that can get this player group to somewhat over achieve, rather than under achieve. .500 hockey between now and the Olympic break would be an over achievement. Less than .300 hockey and cut Eakins loose. If he survives the Olympic break, give him similar targets to close out the season. If he over achieves, then keep him - as long as other intangibles are truly positive.

I have my doubts that he is the right man for the job. The player group looks the farthest thing from being willing to run thru a wall for this guy.

They need a kick ass Coach with enough charisma to not lose the player group in the process.

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#86 Hauk15
January 09 2014, 03:30PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

Have you, or even your 5th cousin been in the room? No.

A coach is only as good as the players given to him. Gagner, Yakupov, Dubnyk, Acton, the entire defense just to name a few have not been playing like NHL players for 95% of the season so far. Scotty Bowman couldn't coach this effort anywhere near the playoffs either.

The entire team is worse under Eakins. This team was out of the playoffs in October. Fire him and get someone who is a legitimate NHL proven coach. MacT should be coach and gm. The players that don't buy in will than easily be singled out and gone. Next fan to get in a yelling match with MacT, please put this idea into his head. Fire Eakins. Coach the team yourself.

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#87 2004Z06
January 08 2014, 02:58PM
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LURKEYSON wrote:

Oh? then what is the problem? That just leaves the players. Yes they are not big enough, skilled enough, anthying enough. But guess who gets the players, who develops the players?? The President/the GM and the coach.

What other job in this world, could you do as pathetic of a job as Lowe has done, and still have your job. NOt to mention he was promoted.

Promoted 3 times in fact! Player to coach, coach to GM, GM to POHO!

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#88 Kr55
January 08 2014, 03:03PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

At the end of this year the Oilers will have made the playoffs twice in the last 12 years. This is atrocious.

The Oilers are, for all intents and purposes, a "cap team" who, halfway through the season are last in the conference - a mere 18 points out of a wildcard spot. Unacceptable is not a strong enough word.

A common thread throughout this stretch has been Mr. Lowe. I do not dislike Mr. Lowe. No matter what I think of his hockey management skills I would never say he is not an intelligent individual. I also think his motives are sincere.

However, it is not working. There is no end in sight. The team is headed in the wrong direction. A very loyal and (too) patient fan base has had enough. I can only hope Mr. Lowe does the right thing and falls on his sword and resigns - and soon. It is the right thing to do.

Well said. His intentions are pure, but he just doesn't have what it takes to compete in this age against all the smart hockey minds out there running the rest of the NHL teams. His loyalty to his friends also brings the team down because it prevents any new fresh ideas from entering into this decision making process he's created. It's just a bunch of the same guys all trying to do what they've never done before without any new ideas.

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#89 Spoils
January 08 2014, 03:20PM
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I like MacT, and I know we have had too many coaches, but how is this not absolute rock bottom.

I get that Eakins and MacT were a big reboot, but given how bad that has gone we need to acknowledge that we are are in a place where we have meaningless games we should use for any new world order's learning period.

Might as well give a new group one additional trade deadline and one additional draft.

So yes, Fire LOWE and bring in a BIG someone like Burke - a big experienced management name. Give them the keys to the kingdom - and respect that this could mean firing Eakins and could mean trading any player and could mean firing MacT.

PLEASE DO THIS NOW.

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#90 oilerjed
January 08 2014, 03:25PM
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I wonder why KLowe has finally decided to come out from under his rock? Im not a conspiracy theory nut but here is a hopeful and plausable thought:

Fans are on the brink of a full scale rebellion and MacT is taking major heat without any sunrise on the horizon.

Maybe this is the beginning of the end for KLowe and he is readying himself to fall on the sword and take the heat off MacT by inferring that he is in fact making decisions. I hope Im right because that means he will soon be gone.

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#91 Bucknuck
January 08 2014, 04:07PM
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It's hard not to want some heads to roll considering what the fans have had to watch for EIGHT seasons. I was quite pleased when Pendergast and Tambellini were canned.

I used to defend Lowe, but the more time goes by and the more arrogant stupid crap he says, the more I feel resentment and the more I want him to go away.

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#92 **
January 08 2014, 04:20PM
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anonymous wrote:

Sure BEATS what you afre always holding in your hand!

the pot calling the kettle black. now please excuse me, my hand is busy.

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#93 Arius Mumin
January 08 2014, 05:05PM
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Puck_In_Throat wrote:

“Every coach has a shelf life,” Burke said.

“After the last home game, it would be cruel and unusual punishment to let Ron coach another game in the Air Canada Centre.”

This is a quote from Brian Burke after the infamous "Fire Wilson" chant in Toronto.

Tier 1 fans, you know what to do.

FIRE EAKINS!

*Friday night with the Penguins in town-perfect opportunity.

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#94 Arius Mumin
January 08 2014, 05:08PM
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Well we know Kevin Lowe can help assemble the best team in hockey (Canadian men's olympic team) and the worst ( Edmonton Oilers) Question is, can he do anything in between? He had a great run of decision making in 2006 but I think at this point we can safely chalk that up to a fluke. I know a lot of people say "Why fire him? What does that do? Will the team improve? No." But his time is up, just like Horcoff's was. He's emblematic of this team's failure and based on his history there is a zero percent chance he's helping this team get better going forward. Zero. He assures us he's just as frustrated as the fans. That's cute. Wonder if making millions of dollars to watch this team makes it any easier. I'd love to give it a try.

Gagner is a curse. As soon as they get him off that team all will be right again.

I assumed you were talking about Gagner when I read"wonder if making millions of dollars to watch this team".

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#95 Butters
January 08 2014, 05:47PM
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I find it befuddling that Katz allows his friends to run a franchise worth 400mill right into the ground. It is his prerogative I suppose, but it doesn't make any sense to me.

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#96 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
January 08 2014, 06:39PM
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DAVE wrote:

You might have noticed Brownlee only writes the truth as he see's it. That in my estimation is why he does'nt write for either anymore.

I don't have any special insight....but my guess is that it's a business and a one hand washes the other kind of etiquette exists, which makes sense. I think the reporters, the players, everyone involved is living a pretty good life. They get to see things up close and personal and it's in their best interests to play the game, to report the basics, ask the benign questions and otherwise leave well enough alone. Why kill the goose that laid the golden egg? They are all part of a big industry and it is well protected. And I'm not blaming them......if I could be inside that bubble I'd play the game too......I think it's the reason why there are so few "tell all" books about hockey.

As an example, look at the stuff in Theron Fluery's book. I don't remember any media coverage of the details of that stuff.

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#97 Oliveoiler
January 08 2014, 09:10PM
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For all the negativity, for all the rants, I STILL believe that when the cup comes back to Canada, it'll be through the Oilers' front door. The only problem is, I hope to be alive to see it!

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#98 Walter Sobchak
January 08 2014, 10:14PM
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On articles like this, I sure do miss DSF & Doug the Slug they had some of the most insightful posts, along with great debates.

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#99 6 ring circus
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I received a call from the Oilers office yesterday,asking me about my fan experience at hockey games and what I thought of the team.I told her, I wasn't going to renew after 14 years as a season seat holder,that the Oilers sucked and that I was tired of wasting my money,she sounded surprised and said I could sell my tickets on the NHL ticket exchange,I told her,that I had tried and that no one wanted them,she asked how much I was asking for them, I told her below face value,she then said why didn't I just donate the tickets to charity, I told her I was no longer going to subsidize the team and that I already donate money to various charity's !!! I asked her if she could rely a message to Patrick Laforge for me,the reason for the empty seats is because the team is losing, not because of the weather,the lady on the other end of the phone repeated what Laforge said, no,no it really has to do with the weather,I asked her if she was reading from a card and there was silence on the other end of the phone. How can the Oilers be so disconnected with the fan base? I don't think Katz even understands WTF is happening here.I know quite a few season seat holders who are in the same situation as me,they will no longer support this team unless there are major changes,once it starts affecting the Oilers bottom line, then the team will respond with change, until then, it will remain business as usual.

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#100 Anton
January 08 2014, 10:43PM
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Consultant wrote:

A bunch of candy ass, cry babies here. We're a coaching change away from the switch, this has got to be the bottom and since we have spent so long here, when we do finally start winning again it will be beautiful and even more beautiful for those who stuck around. But no, year four of the rebuild destroyed us. So go ahead bandwagoners, pick a NFL team to cheer for. But go quietly cause if I see someone throw or deface an Oiler jersey I will defend the club.

Oh nonono...just because the team is at the bottom doesn't mean that they can dig themselves out of the bottom. If you believe that eventually the team will start winning again, maybe you should have a talk with Chicago Cubs fans. The young players will eventually get old and if there's no upside coming that they will follow the footstep of so many previous Oilers and depart. Believe in winning without any sign of improvement is delusional. Let's put in this way, can you name another NHL team that has not made the playoffs since 2006?

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