IF THERE'S EVER A CONCERN: HANDS ON

Robin Brownlee
January 08 2014 02:18PM

 

 

Frustration within the passionate and loyal fan base of the Edmonton Oilers is growing by the day and by the loss with the Oilers destined to miss the playoffs for an eighth straight season. Rightfully so.

Much of that frustration -- again, rightfully so -- is being directed at Kevin Lowe, the team's former GM who is now owner Daryl Katz's president of hockey operations. There was a sign of that, literally, at Rexall Place during Tuesday's 5-2 loss to the St. Louis Blues. A fan sitting front row displayed a cardboard sign that read: "Fire Kevin Lowe."

The frustration directed toward Lowe is, in large part, because of the perception that, while he's been bumped out of the hot seat and into the background publicly in his position by Katz, he's still had his fingerprints all over player personnel decisions – trades and free agent signings -- made by former GM Steve Tambellini and now Craig MacTavish.

Actually, perception is the wrong word. Lowe confirmed his participation in the decision-making process Tuesday during a wide-ranging interview on the Jason Gregor Show on TSN 1260. While Lowe didn't get specific about how much influence he has, it's obvious he's hands-on – we're not talking about the façade of the "senior advisor" position Pat Quinn was dumped in.

Lowe has been, as has been noted before, the one constant in Edmonton's front office through these eight years of ineptitude and losing dating back to the 2006 Stanley Cup final, and beyond.

WHAT HE SAID

Gregor asked Lowe what role he played as POHO in the decision-making process with Tambellini and now MacTavish.

"I would say that uh, that uh . . . really, it's a tough, tough question," Lowe said. "Craig is the general manager, as was Steve Tambellini. They go about their business and shop around the NHL with the scouting staff and collectively throughout the organization try to come up with ways to make the hockey club better, whether it's signing a player or trading a player or what have you.

"At the end of the way, when those recommendations or when those ideas come up, Craig will talk to me and get my feelings on it and you know . . . we talk enough over the course of the season that I generally know where he's going on things and, you know, there's an owner that has to make a call in terms of whether you're going to spend the money for a free agent or trade an asset that's been part of the organization for a while, so there's a collective decision being made.

"I mean, if there's any concern that our people can't make decisions without me endorsing them, then that's not accurate. We've always had a, taken the approach from the day that I took over as general manager that we're collectively going to make decisions – not that it's a purely democratic process, but it's wise of you to involve as many people in your organization when you are making decisions.

"It's not a fiefdom where one person says, 'No, this is what we're going to do.' It's a collective group decision on any strategy that the hockey team is going to make. It's not easy. We've been in this rebuild and it's incredibly frustrating for everyone. The fans should know that, for the people that are running the show they are probably, I don't even know if you can compare it, but in terms of frustration, it's incredibly frustrating, but we're in it. We are where we are.

"The only thing we can do is continue to work hard and believe that, in time, if we've done the drafting we hope we've done and we are patient with the young players that they're going to become the players we expect them to be and it'll result in a, you know, positive and exciting hockey team."

(Photo via @quickone1 on Twitter)

STARTS AT THE TOP

Lowe was at the top of Edmonton's management food chain as GM for eight seasons – he had nobody to answer to in hockey operations decisions, except ownership, until he was moved to POHO in July 2008. Essentially, anybody Lowe huddled with when making decisions as the GM was an underling – an assistant GM, members of his scouting staff or coaches. It stands to reason Lowe's opinion carried more weight than anybody else's did.

Was that the case during Tambellini's troubled and indecisive tenure in Lowe's former position? I don't know for sure, but I doubt it. Is that the case now with MacTavish? No way. Still, you'd have to be a fool to think Lowe doesn't carry considerable swing in every hockey decision made now.

Simply put, Lowe had more say than anybody else in the organization in building the Oilers from 2000 to 2008 as GM. At the very least, he has had considerable influence in hockey decisions made since then. That's a span of command and influence approaching 14 seasons.

Draw your own conclusions.

Listen to Robin Brownlee Wednesdays and Thursdays from 3 p.m. to 5 p.m. on the Jason Gregor Show on TEAM 1260.

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#101 G-Unit
January 08 2014, 10:56PM
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G-Unit wrote:

Oilers fan since I was a 7 year old boy. Dancing and jumping like a fool when they beat the Habs. Cried when the Islanders beat them. Screamed and cried when they beat the Islanders. Cheered when we beat our beloved Wayne. Sang "Oh Canada" and The Star Spangled Banner at the top of my lungs with tears in my eyes in '06 against San Jose. Was excited to get Hall, Nuge and Yak. Today I feel like my Oilers have finally begun to take that passion for granted. Maybe its just my old eyes seeing the light.

I forgot to mention I was at the lowest ever attended Oilers game in history in 1994 or so against the Senators. Listened all the way home how the fans had given up on the team. And we had no one to blame, but ourselves for the state of the team. No butts in seats meant they couldn't afford the talent. Now we keep getting told to be patient, because the talent is coming. When they suck for the next 3 years and no one is at the games it will be our fault that we gave up on the team.

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#102 6 ring circus
January 08 2014, 11:29PM
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So let's see if I understand this,Lowe ran the Oilers Cart Blanche for 8 years and the team got lucky and made it to the SCF in 2006,he then hires Mr Dithers (Tambellini) who then fires Mactavish okay (he resigned), then he hires fires Quinn,Renney and Kruger, then Lowe after realizing he screwed up by hiring Tambellini fires him and hires an inexperienced Mactavish who couldn't even get an NHL coaching job in the 3 years that he left the Oilers,Mactavish then says it wasn't krugers fault, that the team was bad and that he supported him and would get him help,then he back stabs Kruger, fires him and hires an inexperienced Eakins,who has the team headed for the worst losing record in franchise history,Lowe also brings back Howson last year, after he was fired because he didn't do anything in Columbus except have them compete with the Oilers at the lottery draft table,Steve Smith and Kelly Buchberger are here this whole time through 3 head coaches, how this happens nobody knows.The list of Lowe mistakes is extensive,his most recent remarks when he had a fit, about tier 1 and 2 fans and no one knows more about winning than him, because he won 6 rings as a (PLAYER) should have had him fired, yet Katz keeps him around and Lowe can do no wrong.If this isn't the definition of a GONG SHOW, I don't know what is.

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#103 Eric
January 09 2014, 10:13AM
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RB,

Why didn't Logan Couture make the Canadian team?

I'm not buying the MSL he is old and not a great skater anymore and playing 7 + games against the best in 12 days is too much for a 38 yr

Giroux was probably beaten out by Duchene,

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#104 Tikkanese
January 09 2014, 12:26PM
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Hate Lowe in the management positions as much as you want and that may be warranted.

But this Oilers' blue line desperately could use a couple of Kevin Lowe the player.

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#105 S cottV
January 09 2014, 02:03PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

Eakins isn't going anywhere. 5 coaches in 6 years, will not become 6 in 6 or 6 in 7 for that matter. That's just ridiculous. The fact that Eakins AHL squad easily adapted his Swarm and was very succesful with it is further proof that the players are the biggest problem with the Oilers. Not to mention that OKC has adapted the Swarm this season with no problems.

The assistant coaches could and quite possibly should be on the move.

Some of the players will be on the move first. It's just a matter of time. MacT doesn't want to make losing trades just for the sake of a shakeup and why should he? The season is lost already anyways.

Well - I think he is on the cusp of losing the room and it won't take much more adversity before it's gone. Once you lose the room - you're done.

He has had long enough to ingrain his systems and philosophies, to the point that we should be seeing some improvements. Indications of a player group buy in that gives a sense of things coming together. After a reasonable time a coach is only as good as his ability to influence his players to buy in.

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#106 steelymac
January 09 2014, 02:56PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

Eakins isn't going anywhere. 5 coaches in 6 years, will not become 6 in 6 or 6 in 7 for that matter. That's just ridiculous. The fact that Eakins AHL squad easily adapted his Swarm and was very succesful with it is further proof that the players are the biggest problem with the Oilers. Not to mention that OKC has adapted the Swarm this season with no problems.

The assistant coaches could and quite possibly should be on the move.

Some of the players will be on the move first. It's just a matter of time. MacT doesn't want to make losing trades just for the sake of a shakeup and why should he? The season is lost already anyways.

The NHL and AHL are two different things.The AHL is made up of players that 95% are not capable of playing at the NHL speed where the "SWARM" may work.Eakins never had the Halls,Yaks or any other world class prospects to develop and its showing with the way they are developing.Thoroughbreds don't pull plows they race.Eakins has to adapt his systems to the players on the roster and the way they are used.The thing standing in the way of that is his EGO or inexperience with those types of players.I am all for him teaching Yak the 200 foot game but the personality he portrays I am not.I would hope he praises Yak after the last game cause in my eyes he was great.The AHL can be a scrambley game comparedes to the NHL and that's been well documented,so in my opinion the "SWARM" may work better in the AHL then the NHL.If there is a successful team in the NHL employing that system I would like to see it,if not Eakins has to adapt to one that works for the OIL.

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#107 RJ
January 08 2014, 02:41PM
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dang you kevin lowe. dang you.

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#108 Puck_In_Throat
January 08 2014, 03:01PM
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If Lowe is correct and the decisions being made are made "by committee" with input from a number of people, it stands as logical that every person who was part of those decisions is to blame.

It would also be logical that if you don't like the outcome of the decisions, you need new blood to bring in a fresh perspective to the group. That doesn't necessarily mean replacing everyone, but it does mean bringing in people from new organizations.

But what do the Oilers do? They re-hash old ideas by bringing in the same guys (Howson, MacT, Lowe) over and over. How well has that worked?

If I am Katz, I fire the lot of them and hope to god that I can snag Jim Benning (assistant GM with the Bruins) before Buffalo gets their greasy paws on him.

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#109 Brooser
January 08 2014, 03:11PM
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I was on the fence regarding Lowe. I am no longer on that fence. Nowe.

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#110 The Soup Fascist
January 08 2014, 03:18PM
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To do with nothing wrote:

Best Minor hockey league teams name:

Beacon Heights Bandits [ Yosimite Sam was our logo] Kilkenny Komets Next ?

Yeah- tired of reading about losing and Lowe...

Castor Raiders

...tough to beat.

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#111 Dallylamma
January 08 2014, 04:02PM
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Drunk Farmer wrote:

The arrogance of this front office, KLowe specifically, is absolutely disgusting. The brain trust who got us where we are right now, are back together to continue this path of disgrace. (Howson, MacT, Lowe). I seem to remember this combination of hockey acumen once stating that Robert Neilson was someone who you could build a franchise around. Our pipeline of prospects has been a complete bust until recent time, and we not sure how the new crop are going to develop. Maybe some problems as an organization in developing talent? I think that record speaks for itself

I actually would not have any problem with MacT as GM, but under the current circumstances I believe that a wholesale change of management is necessary. Lowe at the very least should get the axe if not for at least the appearance of some accountability.

As a side note to the state of our beloved Oilers; we have season tickets in the family, and have had for 15 years. There was once upon a time where arguments were had on who got which tickets and who got to go to the games. The argument now is who wants to drive the hour each way to sit through another boring mediocre hockey game and listen to the same post game comments and bogus trade scenarios on the long quiet drive home in -30 weather in mid-January. There once was a list of friends who would gladly take the tickets off our hands if we couldn’t make it. Some would actually offer money in exchange for a night of entertainment. Now, there are literally games that I cannot give my tickets away for. “I will watch at home tonight”, “It’s too cold”, “Roads are crappy”, “Phoenix… seriously, maybe next time” are all excuses not to take free tickets to an Oilers game this year.

I am not entirely sure where the future of our franchise is heading, but being the laughing stock of the NHL is starting to become a little tired. Not sure what the answer is but… I won minor hockey week in 1996 with the K of C tier II midgets if there is ever a concern…

Your Jib, Drunk Farmer...I like the cut of it.

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#112 HOFFFF
January 08 2014, 04:10PM
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wizeman wrote:

Nowhere in the business world would a management team survive with the results this organization has had in the last ten years. Lowe, MacTavish, LaForge,Howson, Smith, Buchberger, Macgregor, Semenko and all of the scouting team are to blame for this mess. When you hire inexperienced individuals, suggest bold moves, rid yourself of the kind of defenceman you are now in need of you have to shake your head. "Its the definition of insanity" Doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result.How can anyone take this organization seriously when the owner is nowhere to be seen except to threaten the city with relocation. Yet despite all this we are to look forward to a new area and a playoff team to fill it. ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! As long as the fans show up at the rink nothing will change.

Makes me think anybody can run a drug store...

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#113 Spydyr
January 08 2014, 04:28PM
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And so it begins.This will not end well for Lowe.

It is way overdue.

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#114 Kr55
January 08 2014, 04:35PM
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Craig wrote:

Can someone explain to me why know one else is writing this? I don't understand why guys who write for the sun and journal don't jump all over this but they will when it comes to 8am practices.

Scared of losing some of the access they get to the team? The Oilers are pretty candid to reporters with all the moves they want to make. Candid to a fault, projecting their needs and who we don't like on our team that we want to get rid of. That's the kind of great stuff no reporter that has to answer to his boss looking for stories is willing to lose access to.

You've seen how defiant Lowe is any time he is questioned. You'd probably be cut out of the inside info if you questioned him publicly so fast your head would spin.

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#115 Spydyr
January 08 2014, 04:36PM
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Craig wrote:

Can someone explain to me why know one else is writing this? I don't understand why guys who write for the sun and journal don't jump all over this but they will when it comes to 8am practices.

Quick answer, MSM does not want to bite the hand that feeds it.

Hard to cover the Oilers if your banned from Rexall.

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#116 Lawndemon
January 08 2014, 04:55PM
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HOFFFF wrote:

The Krueger Factor

A real underrated ingredient for Team Canada has been the presence of Ralph Krueger as a consultant to the coaching staff. “A huge assistance, real smart,” Team Canada coach Mike Babcock told ESPN.com on Tuesday. Babcock said Krueger was going to join him for three Red Wings games in the next week starting in San Jose on Thursday to update him on what he’s picked up overseas ahead of the Olympics. The Canadian coaching staff as a whole has raved about his impact since last summer. Krueger was coach of the Swiss national team for a dozen years, from 1998 through 2010, and his experience with the international game already has proved immeasurable to the Canadian coaches. Krueger has been central in consulting Canada’s transition to the larger international ice surface, but he’s also been key in other areas, as relayed to ESPN.com Wednesday by Team Canada assistant coach Ken Hitchcock:

I miss Ralph...

Just for the hell of it, replace the name Krueger with the name Eakins.

Now it's funny!

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#117 Spydyr
January 08 2014, 05:03PM
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While watching the Blues Oilers game it was hard not to notice every shift the blues were much larger then the Oilers.They might be on to something there.

You think?

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#118 Oliveoiler
January 08 2014, 06:04PM
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KEV JONG UN needs to step down; the people have spoken.

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#119 Serious Gord
January 08 2014, 06:15PM
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Hockey mom wrote:

How right you are! Nurse should beware of any long term contracts with the oilers as we'll.

The next shoe to drop will either be one of the current stars going public and demanding a trade or one of the up and coming prospects refusing to sign.

And then the oil will have truly hit bottom - becoming a firm member of the "worst franchise in the league" fraternity with the likes of the NYI and the nordiques.

Will mr. Katz let it go that far?

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#120 nick
January 08 2014, 06:33PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

The next shoe to drop will either be one of the current stars going public and demanding a trade or one of the up and coming prospects refusing to sign.

And then the oil will have truly hit bottom - becoming a firm member of the "worst franchise in the league" fraternity with the likes of the NYI and the nordiques.

Will mr. Katz let it go that far?

Sorry to say Serious Gord, they are already the worst franchise in the league.

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#121 nick
January 08 2014, 06:38PM
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HOFFFF wrote:

The Krueger Factor

A real underrated ingredient for Team Canada has been the presence of Ralph Krueger as a consultant to the coaching staff. “A huge assistance, real smart,” Team Canada coach Mike Babcock told ESPN.com on Tuesday. Babcock said Krueger was going to join him for three Red Wings games in the next week starting in San Jose on Thursday to update him on what he’s picked up overseas ahead of the Olympics. The Canadian coaching staff as a whole has raved about his impact since last summer. Krueger was coach of the Swiss national team for a dozen years, from 1998 through 2010, and his experience with the international game already has proved immeasurable to the Canadian coaches. Krueger has been central in consulting Canada’s transition to the larger international ice surface, but he’s also been key in other areas, as relayed to ESPN.com Wednesday by Team Canada assistant coach Ken Hitchcock:

I miss Ralph...

I miss Ralph also, he was the one coach the Oilers have had that actually had the team improving. Hard to imagine MacIdiot fired him for Eakins

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#122 Serious Gord
January 08 2014, 06:52PM
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DigDeepNBleedBlue wrote:

Dude, your negativity is beyond irrational. It's a hockey team, not the presidency of the most powerful nation in the world. LOL

To stay within the times, though:

"You are in more dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history." - Adrian Cronauer

Sorry, brah! I pucking had to. LMFAO!!!

Trust me when I state that I'm not taking it that seriously.

I like finding similarities through history - my post above is one of those comparisons.

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#123 Hauk15
January 08 2014, 09:15PM
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thank god Darnell Nurse got cut. Eakins, Smith, Buchberger, Acton, coaching staff would have destroyed him. PLEASE BABY JESUS LET THESE CLOWNS BE FIRED! KLOWE AND EAKINS!

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#124 Arius Mumin
January 08 2014, 10:22PM
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@Anton

The irony is that his name translates to win, but the Oilers have mostly been doing otherwise since his arrival.

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#125 RexHolez
January 08 2014, 10:23PM
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I we t to Home Depot today to buy a pitch fork but they were all sold out

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#126 Nowuknow
January 08 2014, 11:17PM
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Mr. Katz. You want to be like the next Blackhawks, then clean out this management team. If you want to be the next (if not already) Okland Raiders of the NFL, keep the old boys club.

The choice is yours...,.....

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#127 Swirvelous
January 08 2014, 11:30PM
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It is impossible to defend Kevin Lowe's record as an executive for the Edmonton Oilers. It's horrific. GM/POHO for the last 13 seasons & only three playoff appearances. Don't let a Cinderella run to the cup final in 05/06 fool you, that record is sickening. But adding to the puke-factor is this will be the 8th straight year missing the post-season. But wait, it gets even worse. Despite three straight #1 overall picks & a #7 in the past four years, the team is somehow worse. The same glaring weaknesses the team had four years ago are the same glaring weaknesses the team has today. This is the textbook definition of incompetence. In a sad way, when you think about how long this level of ineptitude has been maintained, it's actually impressive.

That said, here's my main point. Kevin Lowe ran this team into the ground at full speed & is deserving of every word of criticism directed his way, but my finger of blame is pointed at who I think is the real architect of this disaster..... Darryl Katz.

Katz is the only guy that has the power to institute change, to hold Mgmt accountable. But rather than do so, he has allowed the same arrogant, unapologetic, incompetent ass that torpedoed his franchise to remain in charge. You'd think a guy that has succeeded in the business world as Katz has would have a competitive streak. Instead, by allowing Lowe to remain, I see Katz as a guy that continues to show a staggering lack of personal & professional pride in regards to the Oilers. Three playoff appearances in 13 seasons, 8th straight year missing the post-season & Katz does nothing? This astonishing level of indifference has turned this once proud franchise into a punchline & plunged the loyal fan-base into an unprecedented level of embarrassment. Katz is, by far, the biggest problem.

Lowe is an idiot, but the real problem is Darryl Katz.

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#128 camdog
January 08 2014, 11:37PM
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There is only one other NHL city that would support this team the way the Oilers fans have and that is Toronto. Any other organisation and Lowe is fired.

The reality is that in 2-3 years our defence will be NHL ready. In 2-3 years RNH will be able to line up against the other team’s top centre. In 2-3 years with 2-3 years of more high draft picks the organisation may become competitive.

The reality is that the Oilers rebuild is 2-3 years behind where Lowe expected it to be by now. In 2-3 years the Oilers "rebuild" will constitute one of the worst runs in NHL history. This is the reality.

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#129 Reg Dunlop
January 09 2014, 01:01AM
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Doofus wrote:

Robin, what was your reason for not making slight grammatical corrections in Lowe's comments?

I have listened to many of the interviews Gregor has had and read his printed version, and it's obvious that he corrects the slight flubs almost everyone makes in conversation. It seems that you deliberately wanted Lowe to look bad and even reported him saying "At the end of the way" when it's obvious he meant to say "end of the day"

I could not agree with you more! While we are at it I thought that I should make slight corrections in your post. Here goes.

" It seems that you deliberately tried, unsuccessfully, to make Lowe out to be somewhat competent when we all know he failed to finish high school. You even reported him saying 'Oiler fans are suckers' when it's obvious he meant to say 'I resign'.

How did I do Doofus? Hopefully RB learns that what someone says is less important than what you thought they meant.

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#130 pelhem grenville
January 09 2014, 04:33AM
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...was it too much for me to say on here ?

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#131 camdog
January 09 2014, 08:38AM
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Reg Dunlop wrote:

It seems that the GM disagrees with your assessment. 3 more years to being competitive? According to Mact: "We are quite obviously flawed. Those things are going to be rectified in short order. There's a lot of really positive signs we've seen in development seen this year... Quite clearly there is a good era ahead. It's too long coming for most of us. But it's coming." From terry jones@sunmedia.ca

There you go. We know Mac doesn't make hollow promises that he can't keep.

The day that mact truely believes that this organization is close is the day when we start hearing rumours about our number 1 draft pick being up for grabs in a trade, and that hasn't happened yet...

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#132 Vinny
January 09 2014, 10:58AM
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@Anton

Most businesses want repeat customers. If your customers are not happy with the product, they won't come back. Particularly if it's a luxury product, which is what Oiler games are.

Any revenue projections that the Oilers are making today that have all seats being sold over the next few years, are out to lunch. Hope of a winning team has kept the seats full thus far, but I don't think hope will keep the seats full over the next few years. Only winning will do that.

Although Katz could try to hold the team hostage, Edmontonians could do the same to his pharmacy business.

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#133 tileguy
January 09 2014, 12:10PM
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What I would do to fix this broken wagon.

Katz... finf Klowe a nice cerimonial position within Rexall.

Tell MacT you have until the end of the 2015 season to turn things around, Make a bold move, we understand you have to give up value to receive value, do it when it is right to do it.

MacT... decide on Eakins now, if he is a failure lets move on, if you think he is on to something he gets to the end of the 2015 season as well.

New assistants, lets shed the boys on the bus image now. I would also explore the idea of bringing back Krueger to co-coach.

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#134 oilerjed
January 09 2014, 03:26PM
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YO ON! Where is todays daily fix?? Its getting late and ill be leaving work soon. Who has time at home to sit on the computer and read? Lets get on with it.

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#135 outdoorzguy
January 09 2014, 04:21PM
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HOFFFF wrote:

Eakins has played for 20 different teams in 15 years. He was either a weak player or knew nothing about how the game is played. Our goalie coach only played 34 games in the NHL. Bucky and Steve Smith? Theres a couple of tacticians. Howson? Bizarre.

Eakins is at best a good car salesman. He sure sold McTavish a bill of goods on his supposed abilities. But then again, McTavish took the bait without any real due diligence.

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#136 steelymac
January 09 2014, 08:29PM
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@camdog

Eakins as a coach in the NHL has to adapt and not at the 28th game mark.He blew smoke up MacTs ass as to how he would do it and you know what he should sell used cars on Jasper ave.

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#137 RSD
January 09 2014, 08:43PM
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jay wrote:

Yes, but its also been said that hockey is a results based business. The results aren't there. The fans are in revolt. It kind of looks like the writing is on the wall for Lowe. The Oilers organization has themselves said that in this business sometimes you just come to a crossroads and its time to move on. Obviously its time to move on for Kevin Lowe.

You missed Die Nasty's point. He is saying that it doesn't matter what the fans have to say about how D.Katz's company is being ran. If the fans were revolt, Rexall would be 3/4 empty. Throwing a jersey on the ice is not revolt it is a gesture of disgust. If someone gives up their season tickets because they are fed-up with the hockey based results, then why is there 10 people in line to buy them. That my friend is the exact results that Mr.Katz cares about. Hockey based results are for fans, stats people and the media.

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#138 The Soup Fascist
January 08 2014, 03:03PM
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Apparently I cannot work a keyboard. Sorry for the double post, folks

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#139 Kr55
January 08 2014, 03:35PM
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David S wrote:
"you know, there's an owner that has to make a call in terms of whether you're going to spend the money for a free agent or trade an asset that's been part of the organization for a while, so there's a collective decision being made"

The whole team is neutered. As Lowe said, inevitably Katz makes the final call. Nothing changes until he makes winning the number 1 objective of this team.

Firing Lowe won't make any difference whatsoever, despite what everybody thinks.

Katz is letting these guys spend to the cap though. Of course it's Katz's fault that we have a terrible team because he keeps Lowe in charge. But if he just replaced Lowe with someone actually qualified to run a team in the NHL in 2014, we would be just fine. Instead of a bunch of stupid ideas being presented to him to OK for blowing all his money, he would get smart ones.

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#140 Gordie Wayne
January 08 2014, 03:50PM
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I am listening to Lowe on the podcast of Gregor's show on Tuesday since I missed the original interview.

I am just at the beginning, and Lowe says he would rather talk about players that made the Olympic team versus players that didn't make the team.

He then immediately goes on for about 2 minutes about Claude Giroux and all of the reasons he didn't make the team...

This is the man leading our team in the rebuild...sigh... :(

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#141 Kr55
January 08 2014, 03:51PM
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David S wrote:

We're NOT at the cap this year. Not even close. $7M below in fact.

http://www.capgeek.com/oilers/

The extra room is for bonuses. If all bonuses get paid out, we will exceed the cap.

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#142 Kr55
January 08 2014, 04:04PM
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BigE91 wrote:

I really wonder how much the Oilers current futility can be attributed to Lowe's willingness to throw around the offer sheets in the wake of the 2006 Finals run and subsequent departure of 2/3 of the players?

Are NHL GMs and executives holding the Oilers in some sort of purgatory because KLowe was willing to "throw grenades" at the 29 other organizations?

He also has a bad reputation handling players. How he handled the Comrie situation will never be forgotten. No doubt he had his grubby paw prints all over how the Souray thing went down. MacT adds to that a little too. You think Penner would have ever considered joining the oilers last off-season if we wanted him with MacT as GM? Not a chance, and he would have been a great addition.

It's not just the weather that makes players wary about joining the Oilers. We carry around a lot of old baggage by keeping this group of buddies leading the team. Like we don't suffer enough by them simply not being good at their jobs.

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#143 HOFFFF
January 08 2014, 04:45PM
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St. Louis is 4 points out of 1st in the league and Hitchcock likes doughnuts.

Edmonton is 5 points out of last place and Eakins doesn't allow doughnuts.

These kids need to be jacked up on sugar still. I can't believe we haven't picked up on this yet....

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#144 Robin Brownlee
January 08 2014, 05:05PM
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Craig wrote:

Very disappointing to hear robin back track on his story on air.

Back track on air? How so? Do explain.

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#145 Dean Belanger
January 08 2014, 05:11PM
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@KBLOWES

Oh you mean like when Rogers hired Kypreos and made him the lead guy on Sportsnet with NO training. The guy could barely form a sentence... He's improved some but he's still terrible.

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#146 Oliveoiler
January 08 2014, 05:22PM
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If Mr. Lowe truly cares for the Oilers' organization, the fans and the people of Edmonton, he will do the decent thing and resign. By doing this he will retain some semblance of dignity, if not, I'd hate to be him having a quiet coffee anywhere in the city - he'd never avoid all the negativity. Yes, he WAS a good player, and not too bad a GM, but now, he's a dictator and the team wont thrive much longer with him in charge. PLEASE hand over the reins to MacT, as GM. A POHO is NOT needed, it was a created position to put someone somewhere when no-one knew what else to do with him. Give MacT the absolute right to choose his players. Give it up, PLEASE, you are destroying Edmonton's reputation and credibility. Brian Burke was never a favourite of mine, but reading what he said about KL leading the Oilers into the sewer makes me respect him a bit more. Come on ex #4, you time REALLY is up.

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#147 Serious Gord
January 08 2014, 05:47PM
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Robin:

On reading the first part of your post names and dates flooded my head:

July 16, 1973. Alexander Butterfield

June 23, 1972. Richard Nixon

August 5, 1974 Barry Goldwater

The first date and name go together as the day and person who revealed that the Nixon White House had a secret taping system.

The second name and date are what those tapes ultimately made public - that six days after the watergate arrests Nixon was caught on his own taping system plotting a cover-up

The final pairing is the date when the "smoking gun" tape was made public and Barry Goldwater - the pope of the rock-ribbed wing of the Republican Party and senate minority leader - promptly went to see Nixon and tell him he had lost his support - three days later Nixon submitted his resignation - one that took several staffers days to create -

Dear Mr. Secretary:

"I hereby resign from the office of the president of the United States."

Sincerely,

Richard Nixon

Yesterday is the day that the "smoking gun" exposing the depth of Kevin lowe's involvement in the disaster that is the Edmonton oilers was made public.

It was something many of us had long been certain of. But many others were solid Lowe loyalists who said there was little that the POHO had to do with the day to day.

Well the POHO himself has said flatly that he was involved. And thus he is an accessory in the crime that has been committed on the oiler fanbase.

There is no room for doubt now. The president has to go - either he is fired or - in a more dignified method - he can resign.

Just copy and paste the following Mr. Lowe:

Dear Mr. Katz:

I hereby resign from the office of the President of Hockey Operations.

Sincerely,

Kevin Lowe ...

PS - Kevin Lowe makes public appearances in two days over the last several months and on both occasions he makes a huge faux pas. Yet more evidence of his lack of competence.

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#148 Philosophil
January 08 2014, 06:30PM
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To do with nothing wrote:

Best Minor hockey league teams name:

Beacon Heights Bandits [ Yosimite Sam was our logo] Kilkenny Komets Next ?

Yeah- tired of reading about losing and Lowe...

St.Albert Beef. It in the SAMHA yearbook...

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#149 M22
January 08 2014, 06:39PM
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Greg wrote:

Of all the bullsh*t I've read on here... This takes the cake. What the hell??? It hurts to see these type of fans are still out there. The same fans that jump out if their seats when the oilers score late in a game to make it 6-2. Pathetic

We scored 2 goals?!?

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#150 Edward
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My son was at the game last night at Rexall. He was absolutely disgusted by the timid play. The word gutless came up a couple times during the conversation. No commitment was another assessment. With KLowe's weasle draft picks and two aleady signed for a king's ransom The fans of the Oil can expect a continuation of losing and losing badly.

Sad. Another lost fan who won't buy another ticket.

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