Unacceptable

Jonathan Willis
February 01 2014 01:58PM

Without superhuman goaltending from Ben Scrivens (and he was just fine in today's loss) the Edmonton Oilers were on the wrong end of a 4-0 score against Boston. They were outshot, outchanced, somehow outhit despite never having the puck and flat-out out-played.

The Last Two Games

 

Edmonton has allowed 100 shots over its last two contests. They have matched up against the NHL's powers and been found not just wanting but humiliatingly, embarassingly unable to even put in a respectable showing. Team Switzerland has been more competitive in Olympic matches against Team Canada.

The scoring chances today paint an ugly picture of an outsmarted, outskilled and outworked team:

The Problems

 
The problems are myriad. Let's take a quick walk-through:

  • The powerplay. A strength as recently as a year ago - with much the same cast of players - it has devolved into a terrible weakness. Boston outchanced Edmonton 2-0 during Oilers powerplays today, and after a decent start to the night a first period power play sucked whatever energy the team had out of them. This one is on the coaching staff.
  • The Oilers had a top-10 penalty kill a year ago. This year, they sit 17th in the NHL, and they allowed two goals on five opportunities against the Bruins. The cast may even be improved from last season - this one too is on the coaches.
  • The top line. A year ago, the top line was an undisciplined run-and-gun trio that outshot and outchanced the opposition. This year, it's an undisciplined run-and-gun trio that gets badly outshot and outchanced by the opposition.
  • Sam Gagner. Just that.
  • The defence. This one is on the current general manager to some degree, and on the one before him to a much larger degree. A year ago, Nick Schultz and Justin Schultz were in over their heads as the Oilers' second pair. Currently, they're in over their heads as the Oilers' top pair. Andrew Ference and Jeff Petry have good points, but they're being asked to play at levels well beyond their ability to handle. Rookie Martin Marincin is in the top-four on merit. Mark Fraser is just the latest addition to a forgetable group of bottom-pairing blue liners that have demonstrated little beyond an ability to get lit up in the NHL.

Today's loss is yet another in a long series of humiliating low points for the Oilers. There is no excuse. It cannot be allowed to continue. This team desperately needs to turn things around, and soon. Maybe that means reworking the coaching staff so that new assistants can add some outside insight during an Olympic break reworking of team strategy - and provide better support for a rookie head coach. Maybe it means replacing Dallas Eakins with a veteran NHL bench boss.

Maybe it means more than that, or that and more than that. But this team cannot continue as-is. 

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#101 max
February 01 2014, 08:01PM
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2 questions 1-Jets were slumping, obviously didn't get along with the coach - new one hired, Jets soar. Could a respected NHL proven coach help the Oilers? I think yes. 2-Why do the Oilers players think it's okay to have their goalie face almost 100 sots in 2 games? I think they don't care any more.

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#102 slats
February 01 2014, 08:21PM
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Can we please, please, please stop talking about Gags NMT clause. This team is 18-33-6!!! We aren't a good team.

He's the constant point of discussion about how poor he is playing, his effort and d-coverage is atrocious and we can continue to discuss his shortcomings. But I think Gagner would not be averse to trade and may even welcome it.

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#103 J.R.
February 01 2014, 08:28PM
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Skid the entire coaching staff.

Eakins is not a good coach at the NHL level.

Just my opinion.

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#104 Rick Stroppel
February 01 2014, 08:28PM
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Rick Stroppel wrote:

SHOULD ALL THE COACHES BE FIRED NOW?

Jonathan, you seem to imply that the coaches should all be fired now. If so, I disagree. You may be craving a Winnipeg Jets style bounce. I do not think that would help in the long run. Hiring a new head coach is often like eating a big chocolate bar: you get a big burst of energy followed by a let down. Look at Buffalo.

How much do any of us know about what is going on behind the scenes? People are ready to fire many of these guys because they don't like their facial expressions during the game. For all we know, maybe SOME of them are actually good at what they do.

Somebody has to coach the team between now and the end of the season. The franchise is reeling from crisis to crisis. The LAST thing they need is Lowe and MacTavish hiring people hastily, out of a limited pool, based on somebody's misguided hunch. Plenty of time to do an honest assessment in the summer. Have a REAL search to fill these positions, like REAL NHL teams do.

ON SECOND THOUGHT

I just checked the box score for today's game. RNH had 25.51 TOI! More than any defenseman on the Oilers (by almost four minutes).

What is the point of this? What exactly are the Oilers playing for right now? Why isn't Yakupov getting more of a look?

Does anyone remember RNH's first game back from injury? Eakins played the hell out of him that night as well, for no apparent reason. Some reporter rudely asked him why he did that. Eakins made some smart-ass reply like "all players want more ice time".

Is it possible that Eakins is so incompetent that he cannot keep track of the ice time of key players? But hey, his hair is FANTASTIC!

I changed my mind. FIRE EAKINS NOW!p

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#105 Bryzarro World
February 01 2014, 08:30PM
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Retsinnab5 wrote:

Our Defence sucks, Our PP sucks and Our first line is having a bad game.

What does Dallas Eakins do?

He decides to bench Yak. What an Idiot!

Gregor and Zarny will tell you the coach makes no difference. I shake my head everytime I hear some fool spew that crap.

Some are just afraid to lose their press pass so they bag lick, others are just tools...

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#106 Kevin
February 01 2014, 08:45PM
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He Who Knows wrote:

Look at Columbus. Look at us. Fire Lowe just heated up again.

simply put Columbus has John Davidson we have six rings. Lowe must Go !

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#107 Show me da Money
February 01 2014, 08:49PM
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max wrote:

2 questions 1-Jets were slumping, obviously didn't get along with the coach - new one hired, Jets soar. Could a respected NHL proven coach help the Oilers? I think yes. 2-Why do the Oilers players think it's okay to have their goalie face almost 100 sots in 2 games? I think they don't care any more.

Answer to question 1, probably.

Answer to question 2, not only do we have a terrible defense but our offensive players don't/won't or haven't been taught how to help their defense men.

If the forwards would come back more often to help out the defense things might not be so hard on our goalies or our AHL quality defense.

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#108 OIL86
February 01 2014, 08:50PM
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@Bryzarro World

Gregor is a tool.He doesn't know how to debate without flipping out and insisting his opinion is absolutely flat out correct.

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#109 kale
February 01 2014, 08:51PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

Bruce McCurdy, in "Cult of Hockey" wrote (in his evaluation of todays game)....

"#89 Sam Gagner, 2 (out of 10). He kept catching my eye in a bad way. Last guy back over his own blueline time and again, taking bad routes to the puck, doing flybys instead of skating through the man. Those bad habits caught up with him twice and he’s got a nice shiny -2 to prove it. First on that wraparound goal, when any sort of aggressive stand against Hamilton on the far side of the net might have got the job done; instead, it was 89, and the puck was in the net. This on a sequence that began with a weak clearance by Gagner into the neutral zone that had the Bruins re-engaging with speed. Minutes later, he was the last guy floating back over his own blueline when a stray puck went right through the middle (a.k.a. “centre”) of the zone to the goal scorer. Was also one of the defensive culprits on the disallowed goal, losing his man in front and stranding himself in the middle of nowhere. Despite playing hardly at all against Boston’s defensive ace Chara, he did little enough with the disc on his blade, getting one half-chance in the third but on the continuation failing to shoot, pass or stickhandle and being dispossessed of the puck. Later had a brutal turnover right in the middle of his own slot. Engaged in one good d-zone sequence early in the third when his line got owned all the same, and a couple of OK o-zone moments when separated from his usual linemates. About this >

And just for that, Yak gets bench, that's accountability

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#110 madjam
February 01 2014, 08:56PM
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How can we justify management and coaching getting better and they deserve more time ? In the AHL Calgary sits in 3rd and we are 14th , and the worst club has 2 games in hand to drop us back to last . We were ahead of Calgary last year , but are falling further and further behind them as the season wears on . We get rid of Horcoff and Smid for nothing , among others . Their replacements have all faired worse . Oh yeah , they are turning us around all right , back the wrong way once again . The verdict is in , one good one for Perron does not make up for the many mistakes that are being made otherwise . Management and coaching are responsible for quality control and we are not getting it .

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#111 K_Mart
February 01 2014, 09:01PM
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I can't believe I'm saying this... But it's coaching. What system are they playing?!?!

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#112 bwar
February 01 2014, 09:03PM
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My favorite part was how Eakins made no effort to keep the team in the game today. The strategy seemed to be try to not lose in an embarrassing fashion. The Oilers had zero offense and absolutely no adjustments were made during the game to even attempt to solve this blatant deficiency. One of the critical lines to the victory over San Jose was broken up and then even when the team was struggling was never put back together (Jones-Gordon-Hendricks). Yes they did have one shift together but that was a product of getting lines back in order after a series of PK/PP time.

Perron also had a very poor game yet when it came time for Eakins to show the team that they needed to be 'accountable' Yakupov was the guy who sat a few shifts. It really is starting to feel like Eakins has no clue what he is doing. This team was much better off with Krueger last season.

Scrivens was the only bright light from todays game but he could only keep this joke of a team in the game for so long.

Oilers get your siht together please.

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#113 bwar
February 01 2014, 09:04PM
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Also Eberle was the worst player on the ice tonight. Kid needed to sit for a few shifts but Eakins would never risk hurting the feelings of one of the golden boys.

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#114 Bryzarro World
February 01 2014, 09:09PM
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OIL86 wrote:

Gregor is a tool.He doesn't know how to debate without flipping out and insisting his opinion is absolutely flat out correct.

Lmao!

Yup.. he also falls back to "not hard ti understand" or "you ever play the game?" I used to like him but he is becoming lame. Waiting for him to start ranting about his playing days at the southside athletics club...

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#115 nuge2nail
February 01 2014, 09:15PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

I think the problem with the oilers is that the team sucks.

I think the problem with Eakins is he only seems to think Yakupov sucks.

I can't seem to understand why only Yaks gets benched and no other Oilers. How does Eakins approach help preach accountability?

Not like Yaks was on the ice for all 100 shots or something... Love to see Eberle benched once in a while for a behind the back pass on the tape of the opposing team.

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#116 Oiler Al
February 01 2014, 09:21PM
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I have no argument with the out pourings of Gagners poor play on the team and his lack of effort etc etc., however, if Gagner was the only problem on this team we would have won this game. Its deeper than NO. 89 by a long strech.

Out Number 1 line could not muster a point and gave the puck away all day long. Lets tryig focusing on these high paid , big minute players that didnt show up for the game today.

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#117 Show me da Money
February 01 2014, 09:43PM
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kale wrote:

And just for that, Yak gets bench, that's accountability

The difference being that they are probably shopping Gagner and not Yak but shopping Gagner is a Catch 22. The more opposing GMs see him the less value he has.

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#118 Rick Stroppel
February 01 2014, 09:57PM
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APROPOS OF NOTHING: BOB STAUFFER IS NOT A SMART PERSON

Somebody said that Stauffer predicted earlier this season that by February the Oilers would have caught the Avalanche in the standings.

I just did the math. Colorado 33 points ahead of Edmonton. Edmonton wins their four games left in February, Colorado loses their three games, we are only 25 points behind! Missed by THAT much!

I don't listen to phone in shows. Someone who does, could you please phone the Amazing Kreskin and remind him about his prediction? Thanks!

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#119 johnjohn
February 01 2014, 09:59PM
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K_Mart wrote:

I can't believe I'm saying this... But it's coaching. What system are they playing?!?!

They're playing the Flying V offence and the TieThemUp in Our End (and tire them out) defence

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#120 Oilers Coffey
February 01 2014, 10:18PM
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Accountability, Preparation & Systems... EAKINS DOES NOT HAVE!

These are huge shortcomings in the Oilers this year. This team comes out dead flat time and time again this season, what does Eakins do roll his eyes, and flick his hair.

Entire coaching staff must go, I've liked the moves MacT has made but hiring Eakins was his BIGGEST MISTAKE!

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#121 Bryzarro World
February 01 2014, 10:19PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

I have no argument with the out pourings of Gagners poor play on the team and his lack of effort etc etc., however, if Gagner was the only problem on this team we would have won this game. Its deeper than NO. 89 by a long strech.

Out Number 1 line could not muster a point and gave the puck away all day long. Lets tryig focusing on these high paid , big minute players that didnt show up for the game today.

Ask Dallas wtf.... Bench them! Instead it is Yak's fault.

Dallas is a little wimp. Can only pick on the little rookie. Yes, he isn't playing well but who is? Hold all accountable and don't blow smoke up our a$$ with lame, smartass quips and speeches that carry as much weight as my dog's popcorn farts....

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#122 Jason
February 01 2014, 10:31PM
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Why don't the Oilers fire a few people and then say we are starting our rebuild now. That should fool the masses

Oilers are behind every team in the NHL. If they knew what they were doing we would see some results.

Daryl when are you going to wake up.?

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#123 Oilers Coffey
February 01 2014, 10:34PM
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TeddyTurnbuckle wrote:

Some people want Hall on the half boards instead of Nuge because he is more of a threat to shoot. David Staples tonight was a perfect example why Taylor can't play the position. He may have a hard shot and is a great skater but his decision making is below the NHL average until he matures as a player. He gave the puck away on the offensive end tonight at least 5 times,

I wish the Oilers had a half wall sniper like the Great 8! Oh we did with Krueger in Yakupov. Eakins has absolutely destroyed this kids confidence. How many of us thought wow this kids got a canon last year when he was scoring from that very spot.

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#124 kale
February 01 2014, 10:44PM
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and meanwhile Calgary rolls on...that so sucks

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#125 dougtheslug
February 01 2014, 10:53PM
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Overheard this evening:

Daryl Katz: Um... Kevin... Calgary just won their fifth in row. They're 7 points up on us with 2 games in hand.....and they haven't had a single first overall pick.What gives?

Kevin Lowe: Yeah, those guys don't seem to realize that first overalls are what jumpstart the rebuild. They're screwing it up bigtime. Don't worry, I know a thing or two about winning, if that's ever a concern.

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#126 admiralmark
February 01 2014, 10:56PM
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Oh look it's the annual "Lets get rid of the coach" group out in full force. If these guys had it their way we would fire the coach twice each season.

Here's a thought.. OILERS DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TALENT! Mull it over a bit maybe it will sink in where the problem truly lies? But i doubt it.

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#127 dougtheslug
February 01 2014, 11:00PM
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admiralmark wrote:

Oh look it's the annual "Lets get rid of the coach" group out in full force. If these guys had it their way we would fire the coach twice each season.

Here's a thought.. OILERS DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TALENT! Mull it over a bit maybe it will sink in where the problem truly lies? But i doubt it.

As a founding member of the "Let's get rid of the coach" group, I have to clarify that if we had our way, we wouldn't even fire the coach once a season, if that coach proved he was even remotely competent.

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#128 Pouzar99
February 01 2014, 11:01PM
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I am as frustrated as every other diehard Oiler fan, and fixing this mess will be very hard. The number one problem is Lowe, of course, and we need to find a proven experienced hockey man, who is not an ex-Oiler to come in and clean house. The right man might choose to keep a manager or two but all, or nearly all, must certainly go, obviously including the entire coaching staff, apart from our man in OKC. Hopefully there is enough of a core here, with at least a Top 3 pick coming, to convince such a person to take the reins and my God, they better get the right person. That is if they are even thinking of doing this, as who is competent to tell Katz whom to bring in?

Then there are the players, who have to share a lot of responsibility for the mess we are in. We can slam the top line but they showed under Renney and Kreuger that they can be stars in this league if properly coached and managed. Imagine where we would be today if Renney had not been fired, or Kreuger had not been fired? Things have never been worse than they are right now. The compete level is abysmal, the special teams are totally broken and the players, those that are still trying, look utterly lost. Finally the fans are in open rebellion, but powerless to effect anything.

I fear that nothing much will change for next year. Same president, GM and head coach. They might dump an assistant coach or two, pick up a useful piece at the trade deadline, free agency or the draft, and likely be better next year but for the first time I have increasing doubts that we will be even a playoff team in the near future if major managerial changes are not made and that we are years away from the playoffs even if they are made.

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#129 madjam
February 01 2014, 11:04PM
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admiralmark wrote:

Oh look it's the annual "Lets get rid of the coach" group out in full force. If these guys had it their way we would fire the coach twice each season.

Here's a thought.. OILERS DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TALENT! Mull it over a bit maybe it will sink in where the problem truly lies? But i doubt it.

And who is responsible for that talent ? Not the players , and the coaching is not doing a stellar job with the talent we do have . Coaching is also a problem , yet you don't see it obviously .

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#130 Serious Gord
February 01 2014, 11:08PM
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admiralmark wrote:

Oh look it's the annual "Lets get rid of the coach" group out in full force. If these guys had it their way we would fire the coach twice each season.

Here's a thought.. OILERS DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TALENT! Mull it over a bit maybe it will sink in where the problem truly lies? But i doubt it.

You're right, of course.

Serially hiring incompetent, unsatisfactory coaches has to stop.

The solution, of course, is to fire the cadre that made the serial hiring mistakes so that the next coach hired is an enduring and successful one.

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#131 dougtheslug
February 01 2014, 11:17PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

You're right, of course.

Serially hiring incompetent, unsatisfactory coaches has to stop.

The solution, of course, is to fire the cadre that made the serial hiring mistakes so that the next coach hired is an enduring and successful one.

Actually, I'm not sure that management hired a series of incompetent coaches. I think they made a series of incompetent decisions, serially firing competent coaches as scapegoats for their own managerial incompetence.

And I don't think the fans blamed the past coaches. I don't recall a groundswell of popular support calling for Renney's or Krueger's scalp

They really only hired one incompetent coach. And it is on MacT to correct his mistake, as JW points out, sooner rather than later.

Renney was hired almost immediately upon his dismissal by a competent organization, the RedWings. Krueger found work right away with Hockey Canada.

After this audition, I can't imagine what organization will be beating down Eakins door, if MacT does the right thing.

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#132 Serious Gord
February 01 2014, 11:30PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

Actually, I'm not sure that management hired a series of incompetent coaches. I think they made a series of incompetent decisions, serially firing competent coaches as scapegoats for their own managerial incompetence.

And I don't think the fans blamed the past coaches. I don't recall a groundswell of popular support calling for Renney's or Krueger's scalp

They really only hired one incompetent coach. And it is on MacT to correct his mistake, as JW points out, sooner rather than later.

Renney was hired almost immediately upon his dismissal by a competent organization, the RedWings. Krueger found work right away with Hockey Canada.

After this audition, I can't imagine what organization will be beating down Eakins door, if MacT does the right thing.

You are correct bad decisions rather than just bad coaches. I think hiring Quinn and kreuger were both. Especially when one takes into account that Rennie was likely fired to make room for messier who refused to take the job and that Krueger was hired as filler.

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#133 blue31
February 01 2014, 11:40PM
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slats wrote:

Can we please, please, please stop talking about Gags NMT clause. This team is 18-33-6!!! We aren't a good team.

He's the constant point of discussion about how poor he is playing, his effort and d-coverage is atrocious and we can continue to discuss his shortcomings. But I think Gagner would not be averse to trade and may even welcome it.

MacTavish may have a gentlemen's agreement not to move Gagner. But Gagner surely must have made a promise to put in a bit of effort once in a while.

Get Gagner's ass out of here ASAP. If MacTavish can't do it, then get rid of both of them.

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#134 tileguy
February 01 2014, 11:44PM
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Rick Stroppel wrote:

OK, I'LL BITE

What has MacTavish done to show he is NOT capable of turning this around:

1. Firing Kreuger and hiring Eakins on a whim.

2. Not replacing the assistants.

3. Grebeshkov.

4. Belov.

5. Further to 4 and 5, totally failing to provide the team with NHL quality defense.

6. Labarbera.

7. Bryzgalov.

8. Further to 6 and 7 (and keeping in mind that one great game does not make an NHL career) totally failing to provide the team with NHL quality goaltending.

9. Gagner contract.

10. Total clown show at the draft, resulting in no goalie prospects drafted.

11. Merrily trading away draft choices when the team is supposed to be rebuilding.

I am sure I missed some but I am tired.

PS : We are all "armchair GM's", and it is fun, that is why we read and write these posts!

Very weak brother, that's all hindsight ship except for the Eakins hiring.

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#135 blue31
February 01 2014, 11:58PM
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@admiralmark

THEY DO HAVE ENOUGH TALENT! On paper, the Oilers roster should match up with most teams in the league.

They have a bunch of highly skilled first over-all draft picks. They have a player who has scored 8 points in a single NHL game. They have a player who was money in the WJCs. They have a record setting goaltender. They have a Stanley Cup champion defenceman. They have another D-man who was the most sought after free-agent a couple years ago. They have world class skills in Hemsky and Smyth. Marincin is in the Olympics.

They are looking completely confused, disoriented and apprehensive.

THAT is coaching failure of the highest degree.

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#136 Oilerz4life
February 02 2014, 12:04AM
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Not to mention that the Oilers get to roll the same assistant coaches through with a new coach each year. Other well run organizations bring in a new coaching staff. But, there is no accountability, its just talk. The Oilers need to bring in an experienced NHL coaching staff with a proven track record.

Its just my opinion, but this season is finished, why not bring in a new coaching staff now? That way next year the Oilers aren't starting over with a new system. Just do it now and roll with that for the rest of the year, this season is a write off anyway. Jerkins just sucks the life out of players, destroys their confidence. Now's the time, do it now (IMO).

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#137 Oilerz4life
February 02 2014, 12:11AM
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and trade Gagner.

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#138 Serious Gord
February 02 2014, 12:11AM
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tileguy wrote:

Very weak brother, that's all hindsight ship except for the Eakins hiring.

Can't speak for Rick Stroppel, but I opposed almost all of those moves at the time they happened. And there were others besides me.

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#139 Oilerz4life
February 02 2014, 12:12AM
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Fire Lowe.

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#140 Joe
February 02 2014, 12:33AM
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@dougtheslug

Best take on their conversation ever. And by that, I mean deeply depressing because it's so plausible.

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#141 Eddie Shore
February 02 2014, 12:34AM
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End the misery. Daryl, are you there??

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#142 Joe
February 02 2014, 12:42AM
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It's hard to believe that such an extraordinary gong show of a hockey organisation is operating in a city with such great hockey fans. I have no idea what it would look like, but I keep wondering when the fans will do something that says enough is enough. Lowe & Co are absolutely oblivious to their own failure.

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#143 Zangetsu
February 02 2014, 12:59AM
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Cut off the head and burn the rest. Start with Lowe, and go Great Terror on the organization.

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#144 Dwarr
February 02 2014, 01:02AM
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Hey I liked Kruger many argued he wasn't a head coach mane not solo but when a man is part of a Canadian Olympic hockey team he has to be near the top of his field or have top notch grasp on a certain aspect of the game. So in my opinion he should have stayed maybe brought in an experienced mentor like originally thought was going to happen. Now Eakins comes in and has issues with all the areas the previous regim had measurable amounts of success. He is way over his head not making compatible systems for the talent provided. He has many qualities that have not transferred well at all to the nhl or this team. He may some day prove to be a useful assistant coach to some team with his fitness and dietary focuses but he will never succed on his own merit as a head coach in this league. Perfect time to bring a near coach in time to maybe right this ship and start fresh over the Olympic break to retool and fix the monstrosity that this team has become this year.

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#145 seanjohn667
February 02 2014, 01:07AM
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actually Jonathan, this can, and will, continue like this. there is no reason to make the team better. they will start next season without an single bold move, switch out fringe players with other fringe players. they will start next season with the same make up as this. they will be completely dominated by most of the teams because they will be too small. Next season will be identical this one.

book it.

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#146 Mars
February 02 2014, 01:09AM
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Thank you PVR, it only takes 15 mins to watch an Oiler game these days. Hire a minor league coach, get a minor league team, because the old oilers beside Eakins(buckburgerb and smith) are obviously just there to collect a check. And WHY would you hire a guy who scored the most infamous goal in oiler history, your just asking for bad luck. Kevin Lowe, Kelly buckburger and especially Steve Smith, need to do the right thing and just go home and enjoy hockey from their couches.

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#147 bazmagoo
February 02 2014, 01:41AM
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@blue31

Well said dude, it's got nothing to do with a lack of talent, at least on paper. Either Eakins system isn't working or the players aren't playing for him, so he's either failing to get them motivated or failing as a tactician. Either way, he's failing! It's not the first time and it won't be the last time an AHL coach has failed moving up to the big leagues. So happy everyone is finally on the fire Eakins bandwagon!

Come on MacT, correct your mistake. Go behind the bench for the rest of the season & ditch this dummy!

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#148 bazmagoo
February 02 2014, 01:50AM
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@Serious Gord

Agreed Gord, the only move I was in favour of was Belov. But I thought the plan was to slot him in the 7-8 spot, and let him earn his minutes. Nope! Just another example of 0 accountability within the organization.

At the time Gagner's contract was up for negotiation I suggested (and was subsequently panned for suggesting) signing Mikhail Grabovski & trading Gagner for a young defenceman. I actually was a fan of Gagner at the time I will happily admit, but the idea of turning one asset into two just seemed like something logical to explore. Of course Grabovski had his blow up at the Leafs so he was tarnished with having a bad attitude, you can hardly blame the guy for being upset though as he's a proud, professional athlete. Doubt the Oilers even thought of that option, let alone actually going about exploring the possibility. Wonder what Gagner's attitude towards playing defence is? For some reason I don't think it's all that positive.

Grabovski is proving to be a solid 2nd line centre in Washington, is 3rd in team scoring and is plus 4 on a team with a lot of minus players. And all at the affordable rate of $3 million on a one year contract.

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#149 cccsberg
February 02 2014, 02:18AM
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blue31 wrote:

THEY DO HAVE ENOUGH TALENT! On paper, the Oilers roster should match up with most teams in the league.

They have a bunch of highly skilled first over-all draft picks. They have a player who has scored 8 points in a single NHL game. They have a player who was money in the WJCs. They have a record setting goaltender. They have a Stanley Cup champion defenceman. They have another D-man who was the most sought after free-agent a couple years ago. They have world class skills in Hemsky and Smyth. Marincin is in the Olympics.

They are looking completely confused, disoriented and apprehensive.

THAT is coaching failure of the highest degree.

As they say, the proof is in the pudding. All this "great talent" is second worst in the league and heading to the bottom. Sure there are some very talented players, and sure coaching may be (?) a problem, but when you start with a dysfunctional "team", with a bunch of overpaid prima donnas who don't want to/can't play even the basics consistently, do you really think its JUST the coaching?

Just because someone was first overall doesn't guarantee anything. Players have to continue to develop and grow into the NHL game...

8 pts in any game is great, but a career isn't a single game. What has he done since /lately? Past, one-time glory is meaningless unless you can follow it up...

Money in the WJCs? That's about the same level he's providing now. Unfortunately this isn't Juniors, though some nights you'd think many of the Oilers still think it is...

See above comment about "8 pts", though Scrivens does seem to be playing well so far. Unfortunately he's UFA and highly doubtful he'll re-sign unless management shows they are serious about correcting the team's major issues.... (team defence)

Different team...

Why do you think he refused to honour the draft and sign with one of the best teams in the league? Perhaps he knew he was crap on defence and still wouldn't be playing? You really REALLY think that was a coup?

Right.

Rookie, hope he turns out in a couple years. Once he and some other prospects are ready for the big show the Oilers can claw their way out of the basement...

Summary, yes there is talent, but that talent isn't good enough and some significant pieces need to be moved to get a better balanced core.

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#150 john
February 02 2014, 02:56AM
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Fire Eakins, he is screwing up this team ans Yakupov. I think Nail is unfairly treated, I m from Toronto and Eakins was unfairly treated Kadri over here before too.

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