Unacceptable

Jonathan Willis
February 01 2014 01:58PM

Without superhuman goaltending from Ben Scrivens (and he was just fine in today's loss) the Edmonton Oilers were on the wrong end of a 4-0 score against Boston. They were outshot, outchanced, somehow outhit despite never having the puck and flat-out out-played.

The Last Two Games

 

Edmonton has allowed 100 shots over its last two contests. They have matched up against the NHL's powers and been found not just wanting but humiliatingly, embarassingly unable to even put in a respectable showing. Team Switzerland has been more competitive in Olympic matches against Team Canada.

The scoring chances today paint an ugly picture of an outsmarted, outskilled and outworked team:

The Problems

 
The problems are myriad. Let's take a quick walk-through:

  • The powerplay. A strength as recently as a year ago - with much the same cast of players - it has devolved into a terrible weakness. Boston outchanced Edmonton 2-0 during Oilers powerplays today, and after a decent start to the night a first period power play sucked whatever energy the team had out of them. This one is on the coaching staff.
  • The Oilers had a top-10 penalty kill a year ago. This year, they sit 17th in the NHL, and they allowed two goals on five opportunities against the Bruins. The cast may even be improved from last season - this one too is on the coaches.
  • The top line. A year ago, the top line was an undisciplined run-and-gun trio that outshot and outchanced the opposition. This year, it's an undisciplined run-and-gun trio that gets badly outshot and outchanced by the opposition.
  • Sam Gagner. Just that.
  • The defence. This one is on the current general manager to some degree, and on the one before him to a much larger degree. A year ago, Nick Schultz and Justin Schultz were in over their heads as the Oilers' second pair. Currently, they're in over their heads as the Oilers' top pair. Andrew Ference and Jeff Petry have good points, but they're being asked to play at levels well beyond their ability to handle. Rookie Martin Marincin is in the top-four on merit. Mark Fraser is just the latest addition to a forgetable group of bottom-pairing blue liners that have demonstrated little beyond an ability to get lit up in the NHL.

Today's loss is yet another in a long series of humiliating low points for the Oilers. There is no excuse. It cannot be allowed to continue. This team desperately needs to turn things around, and soon. Maybe that means reworking the coaching staff so that new assistants can add some outside insight during an Olympic break reworking of team strategy - and provide better support for a rookie head coach. Maybe it means replacing Dallas Eakins with a veteran NHL bench boss.

Maybe it means more than that, or that and more than that. But this team cannot continue as-is. 

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 Oilcruzer
February 01 2014, 03:46PM
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Otis Winchester the third wrote:

this makes allot of sense today............... We have a roster full of bonafide shooters ,it is the system that dictates who is and isnt a shooter,nothing else.Not the player or his abilitys. If the Oilers play the NewAge Hockey System or a variant this year we will see 45 shots per game over 82 games. The NewAge System spreads offensive accountability 100% across the board like no other system being played in the NHL today.The offensive shot decisions are ALL system dictated and the shot choices are also SYSTEM dictated,many responsibilitys are removed from the players focus,and his game speed is drasticly improved as is his execution of system requirements. If a player like Nail,who I have watched a lot of video on,is allowed to contribute to a system like the NewAge System his speed and instincts will if he works hard enough put him in CONSTANT position systemwise to be releaseing his shot,premier shot positions on a consistant basis.With this system and the Oilers talent it will literally be a matter of who works hardest gets the most goals,the opponent will have virtually nothing to say or do about this outcome,the system is THAT offensive and superior to the "hybrid system"being played by most NHL teams. I recognised the finish but we have at least three guys in that league,with a d-man who looks like a sniper as well in Schultz. Yakupovs sucess will depend on the system the coach chooses to use him in if he makes the team out of camp as we all seem to expect. I created the NewAge Hockey System for the Oilers specificly and presented it to them on-line last year,I read Mr.Kruegers comments related to the type of offense we might see being similar to the PP of the 80s Oilers,welcome to my world,my system is absolutely and completely based off of the Oilers PP execution dureing the 80s,i have converted the core values of that PP to a superior 5 on 5 hyper-offensive system unlike any ever seen before.It is unique ,and it is mine.LA used it last year as did our farm team,the Oilers started to implement it with about 25 games to go and had steady sucess. I posted extensively about my system on the Oilers website over a two year period,in an attempt to have it recognised and implemented,I believe I accomplished that,and along the way LA through Jarret Stoll and co. piggybacked the data from the Oilers site and implemented it,and the farm team also implemented my system data effectively,both LA and the farm team attained the expected results,and the Oilers were righting the ship at the end of the year believe it or not,you could feel it. Players like Nail work so very hard every time they hit the ice that they need to play in a system that allows this extra effort to be immediatly rewarded and consistantly rewarded,they need a system that rewards extra effort and individual efforts that are aggressive and offensive for 60 complete minutes.A system that drains them of offensive energy,not one that stifles it ,not even for 5 mins of a game. If Nail is on the second line consistantly he will push for the team goals lead and walk away with the Calder hands down,possibly by a record margin of points if he stays healthy for 82 games,I believe Sam Gagner is a natural fit with Nails vision and insincts,and because Sam looks to be anchoring the 2nd line their unavoidable chemistry will rear its head through many multiple point games for the two of them,if we see this dynamic for 82 games I peg Yakupov within the NewAge System to score 35 plus goals,if he finds a home on the PP maybe 40---and the 2nd line will propel us into the playoffs with those multi-point games.Remember this is a system specific prediction.If we play a hybrid system like we did most of last year,I say he will be a 20ish goal guy no matter what icetime he gets.i appreciate nails skillset and shot ect. but I still firmly believe that offensive sucess is catalysed by system induced opportunitys---so with an average system he will perform above average for a rookie,with a superior system he will perform above average on the NHL level. Just make sure you remember to not blame Sammy for shooting a lot this year with nail on his line if we use the NewAge System,because the shots will be system dictated not dictated by anyones greed.And there should be 45 per game to go around,and i love the math when I see nails conversion ability,he will get four shots per game average,so it should be interesting. If we play a hybrid system he will get less shots per game by a large margin,I see Nail useing his onetimer on the PP a lot and getting most of his goals from there which is why i pegged him in the 20s,but in the NewAge System he will be generateing his goals off 5 on 5 situations as well as the PP and he will have a constant stream of system induced shooting opportunitys which is why I pegged him at possibly 40 goals. Yes,he is a finisher,yes he has an invisible release,and yes he can score from absolutely everywhere,and yes he will fit in here and have a lot of great young teachers to help him out,like a third born he will talk-walk-and score goals faster because of his slightly older siblings like Hall-Gagner-Nuge-Ebbs ect. But lets remember that he is walking into a room full of high picks with a serious skillset depth---this may be the toughest test he has ever had,and certainly tougher than the fellas before him,he has to compete with the full deck of cards with hemsky-Nuge-Hall-Ebbs-Gagner-Schultz-MPS ect.I dont see there being that much pressure or expectations put on him,we dont exactly need a savior these days with all the young studs we have. As with all our players,as the system goes so goes the players statistical seasons.We can already count on one thing,Nail will be ready to put in the hard work needed to be a system asset,and the system wont matter in that regard,the rest is still unwritten history,and anyone who wants to can pick up the pen and start writeing,they just need the desire---I see a lot of that in this young man.

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#52 Spydyr
February 01 2014, 05:10PM
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If they keep Eakins and allow him to pick his assistant coaches how many more ex- Marlies would the team have then?

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#53 Ivan Drago
February 01 2014, 05:28PM
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Spydyr wrote:

If they keep Eakins and allow him to pick his assistant coaches how many more ex- Marlies would the team have then?

I don't generally agree with you very often, but on this one I do wholeheartedly.

First off I have believe MacT will improve this team, hes a rookie gm who has imo made more good moves then bad. However, do we even have a pro scouting staff, or does he just ask Eakins who to sign and trade for?

Second, enough excuses have been made for Gagner, he's a one trick pony. Puts up pts when playing with other good players, but brings NOTHING else to the table. Time to go snowpants.

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#54 madjam
February 01 2014, 08:56PM
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How can we justify management and coaching getting better and they deserve more time ? In the AHL Calgary sits in 3rd and we are 14th , and the worst club has 2 games in hand to drop us back to last . We were ahead of Calgary last year , but are falling further and further behind them as the season wears on . We get rid of Horcoff and Smid for nothing , among others . Their replacements have all faired worse . Oh yeah , they are turning us around all right , back the wrong way once again . The verdict is in , one good one for Perron does not make up for the many mistakes that are being made otherwise . Management and coaching are responsible for quality control and we are not getting it .

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#55 #ThereGoesTheOilers
February 01 2014, 02:21PM
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If at first things dont go your way, try try again? Yeah, that doesn't work if you're doing it WRONG in the first place.

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#56 Oiler Al
February 01 2014, 03:21PM
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U G L Y;.. Its not that they lost, we are pretty much used to that program... Its the way they lost. Honestly there are better beer league and peewee teams than this. Utter disgrace.

Should change the name to the Edmonton Gliders.

Note To Hall and Eberle.. You are no longer in the Jr. league, play like men ,or is the game to fast for your brains and skill.

This isnt a Re-build it's a Crumble.

If the players cared half as much as the fans did, we might win a few more games.

JW, good call out... I say Fire all the coaches upon return of this road trip. No gain in keeping these banana peels behind the bench.

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#57 slats
February 01 2014, 08:21PM
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Can we please, please, please stop talking about Gags NMT clause. This team is 18-33-6!!! We aren't a good team.

He's the constant point of discussion about how poor he is playing, his effort and d-coverage is atrocious and we can continue to discuss his shortcomings. But I think Gagner would not be averse to trade and may even welcome it.

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#58 Oilers Coffey
February 01 2014, 10:34PM
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TeddyTurnbuckle wrote:

Some people want Hall on the half boards instead of Nuge because he is more of a threat to shoot. David Staples tonight was a perfect example why Taylor can't play the position. He may have a hard shot and is a great skater but his decision making is below the NHL average until he matures as a player. He gave the puck away on the offensive end tonight at least 5 times,

I wish the Oilers had a half wall sniper like the Great 8! Oh we did with Krueger in Yakupov. Eakins has absolutely destroyed this kids confidence. How many of us thought wow this kids got a canon last year when he was scoring from that very spot.

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#59 john
February 02 2014, 03:51AM
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The Avs started winning from the start with Roy, this is his 1st season with the team. It didn't take forever. Good coach get the team winning.

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#60 Bryzarro World
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admiralmark wrote:

Oh look it's the annual "Lets get rid of the coach" group out in full force. If these guys had it their way we would fire the coach twice each season.

Here's a thought.. OILERS DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TALENT! Mull it over a bit maybe it will sink in where the problem truly lies? But i doubt it.

Some people wanted Renney fired because he sheltered the kids and knew how to coach.

I don't recall a ton of people calling for Ralph's head so your argument is invalid....

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#61 Dan 1919
February 01 2014, 02:24PM
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I agree with your overall article JW, I haven’t watched in weeks, and with a fresh view today, you realize this team is so far away from competing it’s genuinely sad. They have a few pretty good players and a team full of guys who will never win.

The team is a disaster, good luck MacT.

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#62 Chris
February 01 2014, 04:26PM
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@Otis Winchester the third

I thought you were banned from here! Isn't it bad enough that the oilers are having a terrible year? Don't subject us to any more unnecessary suffering!

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#63 kale
February 01 2014, 10:44PM
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and meanwhile Calgary rolls on...that so sucks

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#64 Oilerz4life
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Not to mention that the Oilers get to roll the same assistant coaches through with a new coach each year. Other well run organizations bring in a new coaching staff. But, there is no accountability, its just talk. The Oilers need to bring in an experienced NHL coaching staff with a proven track record.

Its just my opinion, but this season is finished, why not bring in a new coaching staff now? That way next year the Oilers aren't starting over with a new system. Just do it now and roll with that for the rest of the year, this season is a write off anyway. Jerkins just sucks the life out of players, destroys their confidence. Now's the time, do it now (IMO).

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#65 gcw_rocks
February 01 2014, 03:37PM
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So, to summarize,

The powerplay is on the coaches signed or retained by MacT.

The penalty kill is on the coaches signed or retained by MacT.

The fall off of the top line would seem to be coaching as well. Nothing else had changed. So,on the coaches signed or retained by MacT.

Gagner. MacT passed up the chance to sell high on Gagner this summer to fill a hole on defence because of his man crush Gagner. And he gave a verbal no trade that Gagner is not entitled to under the CBA.

I think you are being to kind on MacT for the defense. Hainsey went the whole summer without a contract. So did Gilbert. Even signing one of those two would have been a huge improvement. MacT gambled on a whole series of long shots rather than placing some safe bets. That's on him. Imagine what this defence would be like if Marincin hadn't been ready. By all rights, he shouldn't be.

So, there is a common thread to the failure. MacT.

All the MacT fans out there are getting EXACTLY what they deserve. To bad the rest of us have to suffer with you.

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Otis Winchester the third wrote:

this makes allot of sense today............... We have a roster full of bonafide shooters ,it is the system that dictates who is and isnt a shooter,nothing else.Not the player or his abilitys. If the Oilers play the NewAge Hockey System or a variant this year we will see 45 shots per game over 82 games. The NewAge System spreads offensive accountability 100% across the board like no other system being played in the NHL today.The offensive shot decisions are ALL system dictated and the shot choices are also SYSTEM dictated,many responsibilitys are removed from the players focus,and his game speed is drasticly improved as is his execution of system requirements. If a player like Nail,who I have watched a lot of video on,is allowed to contribute to a system like the NewAge System his speed and instincts will if he works hard enough put him in CONSTANT position systemwise to be releaseing his shot,premier shot positions on a consistant basis.With this system and the Oilers talent it will literally be a matter of who works hardest gets the most goals,the opponent will have virtually nothing to say or do about this outcome,the system is THAT offensive and superior to the "hybrid system"being played by most NHL teams. I recognised the finish but we have at least three guys in that league,with a d-man who looks like a sniper as well in Schultz. Yakupovs sucess will depend on the system the coach chooses to use him in if he makes the team out of camp as we all seem to expect. I created the NewAge Hockey System for the Oilers specificly and presented it to them on-line last year,I read Mr.Kruegers comments related to the type of offense we might see being similar to the PP of the 80s Oilers,welcome to my world,my system is absolutely and completely based off of the Oilers PP execution dureing the 80s,i have converted the core values of that PP to a superior 5 on 5 hyper-offensive system unlike any ever seen before.It is unique ,and it is mine.LA used it last year as did our farm team,the Oilers started to implement it with about 25 games to go and had steady sucess. I posted extensively about my system on the Oilers website over a two year period,in an attempt to have it recognised and implemented,I believe I accomplished that,and along the way LA through Jarret Stoll and co. piggybacked the data from the Oilers site and implemented it,and the farm team also implemented my system data effectively,both LA and the farm team attained the expected results,and the Oilers were righting the ship at the end of the year believe it or not,you could feel it. Players like Nail work so very hard every time they hit the ice that they need to play in a system that allows this extra effort to be immediatly rewarded and consistantly rewarded,they need a system that rewards extra effort and individual efforts that are aggressive and offensive for 60 complete minutes.A system that drains them of offensive energy,not one that stifles it ,not even for 5 mins of a game. If Nail is on the second line consistantly he will push for the team goals lead and walk away with the Calder hands down,possibly by a record margin of points if he stays healthy for 82 games,I believe Sam Gagner is a natural fit with Nails vision and insincts,and because Sam looks to be anchoring the 2nd line their unavoidable chemistry will rear its head through many multiple point games for the two of them,if we see this dynamic for 82 games I peg Yakupov within the NewAge System to score 35 plus goals,if he finds a home on the PP maybe 40---and the 2nd line will propel us into the playoffs with those multi-point games.Remember this is a system specific prediction.If we play a hybrid system like we did most of last year,I say he will be a 20ish goal guy no matter what icetime he gets.i appreciate nails skillset and shot ect. but I still firmly believe that offensive sucess is catalysed by system induced opportunitys---so with an average system he will perform above average for a rookie,with a superior system he will perform above average on the NHL level. Just make sure you remember to not blame Sammy for shooting a lot this year with nail on his line if we use the NewAge System,because the shots will be system dictated not dictated by anyones greed.And there should be 45 per game to go around,and i love the math when I see nails conversion ability,he will get four shots per game average,so it should be interesting. If we play a hybrid system he will get less shots per game by a large margin,I see Nail useing his onetimer on the PP a lot and getting most of his goals from there which is why i pegged him in the 20s,but in the NewAge System he will be generateing his goals off 5 on 5 situations as well as the PP and he will have a constant stream of system induced shooting opportunitys which is why I pegged him at possibly 40 goals. Yes,he is a finisher,yes he has an invisible release,and yes he can score from absolutely everywhere,and yes he will fit in here and have a lot of great young teachers to help him out,like a third born he will talk-walk-and score goals faster because of his slightly older siblings like Hall-Gagner-Nuge-Ebbs ect. But lets remember that he is walking into a room full of high picks with a serious skillset depth---this may be the toughest test he has ever had,and certainly tougher than the fellas before him,he has to compete with the full deck of cards with hemsky-Nuge-Hall-Ebbs-Gagner-Schultz-MPS ect.I dont see there being that much pressure or expectations put on him,we dont exactly need a savior these days with all the young studs we have. As with all our players,as the system goes so goes the players statistical seasons.We can already count on one thing,Nail will be ready to put in the hard work needed to be a system asset,and the system wont matter in that regard,the rest is still unwritten history,and anyone who wants to can pick up the pen and start writeing,they just need the desire---I see a lot of that in this young man.

This is a flipping joke right?

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#67 Andrew
February 01 2014, 05:30PM
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You're preaching to the choir brother. You have certainly captured the essence of the problem. The Oilers have taken me beyond caring any longer. The emotional investment has been drained. This team as it is constructed is done like dinner. I don't think Mac has any intention of doing what really needs to be done. Nor do I believe he has the cajones for making fhe right moves. The top 6 can not continue to be the next generation of sacred cows. The Oilers organization is full of them.

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#68 kale
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dougtheslug wrote:

Bruce McCurdy, in "Cult of Hockey" wrote (in his evaluation of todays game)....

"#89 Sam Gagner, 2 (out of 10). He kept catching my eye in a bad way. Last guy back over his own blueline time and again, taking bad routes to the puck, doing flybys instead of skating through the man. Those bad habits caught up with him twice and he’s got a nice shiny -2 to prove it. First on that wraparound goal, when any sort of aggressive stand against Hamilton on the far side of the net might have got the job done; instead, it was 89, and the puck was in the net. This on a sequence that began with a weak clearance by Gagner into the neutral zone that had the Bruins re-engaging with speed. Minutes later, he was the last guy floating back over his own blueline when a stray puck went right through the middle (a.k.a. “centre”) of the zone to the goal scorer. Was also one of the defensive culprits on the disallowed goal, losing his man in front and stranding himself in the middle of nowhere. Despite playing hardly at all against Boston’s defensive ace Chara, he did little enough with the disc on his blade, getting one half-chance in the third but on the continuation failing to shoot, pass or stickhandle and being dispossessed of the puck. Later had a brutal turnover right in the middle of his own slot. Engaged in one good d-zone sequence early in the third when his line got owned all the same, and a couple of OK o-zone moments when separated from his usual linemates. About this >

And just for that, Yak gets bench, that's accountability

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#69 Oilers Coffey
February 01 2014, 10:18PM
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Accountability, Preparation & Systems... EAKINS DOES NOT HAVE!

These are huge shortcomings in the Oilers this year. This team comes out dead flat time and time again this season, what does Eakins do roll his eyes, and flick his hair.

Entire coaching staff must go, I've liked the moves MacT has made but hiring Eakins was his BIGGEST MISTAKE!

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Otis Winchester the third wrote:

this makes allot of sense today............... We have a roster full of bonafide shooters ,it is the system that dictates who is and isnt a shooter,nothing else.Not the player or his abilitys. If the Oilers play the NewAge Hockey System or a variant this year we will see 45 shots per game over 82 games. The NewAge System spreads offensive accountability 100% across the board like no other system being played in the NHL today.The offensive shot decisions are ALL system dictated and the shot choices are also SYSTEM dictated,many responsibilitys are removed from the players focus,and his game speed is drasticly improved as is his execution of system requirements. If a player like Nail,who I have watched a lot of video on,is allowed to contribute to a system like the NewAge System his speed and instincts will if he works hard enough put him in CONSTANT position systemwise to be releaseing his shot,premier shot positions on a consistant basis.With this system and the Oilers talent it will literally be a matter of who works hardest gets the most goals,the opponent will have virtually nothing to say or do about this outcome,the system is THAT offensive and superior to the "hybrid system"being played by most NHL teams. I recognised the finish but we have at least three guys in that league,with a d-man who looks like a sniper as well in Schultz. Yakupovs sucess will depend on the system the coach chooses to use him in if he makes the team out of camp as we all seem to expect. I created the NewAge Hockey System for the Oilers specificly and presented it to them on-line last year,I read Mr.Kruegers comments related to the type of offense we might see being similar to the PP of the 80s Oilers,welcome to my world,my system is absolutely and completely based off of the Oilers PP execution dureing the 80s,i have converted the core values of that PP to a superior 5 on 5 hyper-offensive system unlike any ever seen before.It is unique ,and it is mine.LA used it last year as did our farm team,the Oilers started to implement it with about 25 games to go and had steady sucess. I posted extensively about my system on the Oilers website over a two year period,in an attempt to have it recognised and implemented,I believe I accomplished that,and along the way LA through Jarret Stoll and co. piggybacked the data from the Oilers site and implemented it,and the farm team also implemented my system data effectively,both LA and the farm team attained the expected results,and the Oilers were righting the ship at the end of the year believe it or not,you could feel it. Players like Nail work so very hard every time they hit the ice that they need to play in a system that allows this extra effort to be immediatly rewarded and consistantly rewarded,they need a system that rewards extra effort and individual efforts that are aggressive and offensive for 60 complete minutes.A system that drains them of offensive energy,not one that stifles it ,not even for 5 mins of a game. If Nail is on the second line consistantly he will push for the team goals lead and walk away with the Calder hands down,possibly by a record margin of points if he stays healthy for 82 games,I believe Sam Gagner is a natural fit with Nails vision and insincts,and because Sam looks to be anchoring the 2nd line their unavoidable chemistry will rear its head through many multiple point games for the two of them,if we see this dynamic for 82 games I peg Yakupov within the NewAge System to score 35 plus goals,if he finds a home on the PP maybe 40---and the 2nd line will propel us into the playoffs with those multi-point games.Remember this is a system specific prediction.If we play a hybrid system like we did most of last year,I say he will be a 20ish goal guy no matter what icetime he gets.i appreciate nails skillset and shot ect. but I still firmly believe that offensive sucess is catalysed by system induced opportunitys---so with an average system he will perform above average for a rookie,with a superior system he will perform above average on the NHL level. Just make sure you remember to not blame Sammy for shooting a lot this year with nail on his line if we use the NewAge System,because the shots will be system dictated not dictated by anyones greed.And there should be 45 per game to go around,and i love the math when I see nails conversion ability,he will get four shots per game average,so it should be interesting. If we play a hybrid system he will get less shots per game by a large margin,I see Nail useing his onetimer on the PP a lot and getting most of his goals from there which is why i pegged him in the 20s,but in the NewAge System he will be generateing his goals off 5 on 5 situations as well as the PP and he will have a constant stream of system induced shooting opportunitys which is why I pegged him at possibly 40 goals. Yes,he is a finisher,yes he has an invisible release,and yes he can score from absolutely everywhere,and yes he will fit in here and have a lot of great young teachers to help him out,like a third born he will talk-walk-and score goals faster because of his slightly older siblings like Hall-Gagner-Nuge-Ebbs ect. But lets remember that he is walking into a room full of high picks with a serious skillset depth---this may be the toughest test he has ever had,and certainly tougher than the fellas before him,he has to compete with the full deck of cards with hemsky-Nuge-Hall-Ebbs-Gagner-Schultz-MPS ect.I dont see there being that much pressure or expectations put on him,we dont exactly need a savior these days with all the young studs we have. As with all our players,as the system goes so goes the players statistical seasons.We can already count on one thing,Nail will be ready to put in the hard work needed to be a system asset,and the system wont matter in that regard,the rest is still unwritten history,and anyone who wants to can pick up the pen and start writeing,they just need the desire---I see a lot of that in this young man.

"Newage System"??? Someone get this man a flock of seagulls cut and tell him to take his pills.

One of the most incoherent pieces of garbage I've read on here. The worst part is that this isn't a joke...

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#71 Show me da Money
February 01 2014, 09:43PM
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kale wrote:

And just for that, Yak gets bench, that's accountability

The difference being that they are probably shopping Gagner and not Yak but shopping Gagner is a Catch 22. The more opposing GMs see him the less value he has.

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#72 Bryzarro World
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Oiler Al wrote:

I have no argument with the out pourings of Gagners poor play on the team and his lack of effort etc etc., however, if Gagner was the only problem on this team we would have won this game. Its deeper than NO. 89 by a long strech.

Out Number 1 line could not muster a point and gave the puck away all day long. Lets tryig focusing on these high paid , big minute players that didnt show up for the game today.

Ask Dallas wtf.... Bench them! Instead it is Yak's fault.

Dallas is a little wimp. Can only pick on the little rookie. Yes, he isn't playing well but who is? Hold all accountable and don't blow smoke up our a$$ with lame, smartass quips and speeches that carry as much weight as my dog's popcorn farts....

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#73 Jason
February 01 2014, 10:31PM
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Why don't the Oilers fire a few people and then say we are starting our rebuild now. That should fool the masses

Oilers are behind every team in the NHL. If they knew what they were doing we would see some results.

Daryl when are you going to wake up.?

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#74 Rick Stroppel
February 01 2014, 02:59PM
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SHOULD ALL THE COACHES BE FIRED NOW?

Jonathan, you seem to imply that the coaches should all be fired now. If so, I disagree. You may be craving a Winnipeg Jets style bounce. I do not think that would help in the long run. Hiring a new head coach is often like eating a big chocolate bar: you get a big burst of energy followed by a let down. Look at Buffalo.

How much do any of us know about what is going on behind the scenes? People are ready to fire many of these guys because they don't like their facial expressions during the game. For all we know, maybe SOME of them are actually good at what they do.

Somebody has to coach the team between now and the end of the season. The franchise is reeling from crisis to crisis. The LAST thing they need is Lowe and MacTavish hiring people hastily, out of a limited pool, based on somebody's misguided hunch. Plenty of time to do an honest assessment in the summer. Have a REAL search to fill these positions, like REAL NHL teams do.

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#75 cubsfan
February 01 2014, 06:36PM
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JW wrote,"Team Switzerland has been more competitive in Olympic matches against Team Canada."

Problem Solved!!!

Why doesnt MacT go out and hire the coach of Team Switzerland?

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#76 blue31
February 01 2014, 11:58PM
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@admiralmark

THEY DO HAVE ENOUGH TALENT! On paper, the Oilers roster should match up with most teams in the league.

They have a bunch of highly skilled first over-all draft picks. They have a player who has scored 8 points in a single NHL game. They have a player who was money in the WJCs. They have a record setting goaltender. They have a Stanley Cup champion defenceman. They have another D-man who was the most sought after free-agent a couple years ago. They have world class skills in Hemsky and Smyth. Marincin is in the Olympics.

They are looking completely confused, disoriented and apprehensive.

THAT is coaching failure of the highest degree.

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#77 blue31
February 01 2014, 11:40PM
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slats wrote:

Can we please, please, please stop talking about Gags NMT clause. This team is 18-33-6!!! We aren't a good team.

He's the constant point of discussion about how poor he is playing, his effort and d-coverage is atrocious and we can continue to discuss his shortcomings. But I think Gagner would not be averse to trade and may even welcome it.

MacTavish may have a gentlemen's agreement not to move Gagner. But Gagner surely must have made a promise to put in a bit of effort once in a while.

Get Gagner's ass out of here ASAP. If MacTavish can't do it, then get rid of both of them.

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#78 bazmagoo
February 01 2014, 03:49PM
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Eakins and the coaching staff are out of their league, in my opinion. But I think the best we can hope for next season is Smith and Bucky to be gone, with Dallas given the option of bringing in his own people.

Not sure why everyone is so annoyed by today's game. What did you expect? My expectations are pretty LOWE these days.

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#79 dougtheslug
February 01 2014, 04:41PM
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Ivan Drago wrote:

This is a flipping joke right?

It's a copy and paste from one of NewAgeSstem's many equally unreadable posts from last year. An attempt at comic relief, methinks, on such a depressing day.

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#80 hall the time
February 01 2014, 06:22PM
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@Ivan Drago

I'm on MacT's side for now but this coaching thing is having me second guess him a lot.

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#81 emonkee
February 01 2014, 02:15PM
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TeddyTurnbuckle wrote:

Couple of things. Didn't like the play when Nuge passed it to Eberle breaking out of the zone but Eberle was changing and it came back the other way. Why is he changing before his team is able to dump it in. Didn't like the play when the defense were changing inside the Boston blue line while a puck battle was going on just outside the blue line. We won the puck battle but we went offside. You are allowed to jump over the boards so you are not offside you know? Lastly Taylor Hall's back pass to the other team summed up his night and that's why he isn't on team Canada.

That's right TT, Taylor is one of my favorite oilers, but those drop passes, as I mentioned, is unacceptable. Hall also likes to pass cross ice when there were multiple sticks in between...he has to avoid those if he wanted to be selected for the next Olympic.

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#82 hark65
February 01 2014, 03:07PM
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Yak is part of the "defence sucks" problem. Doesn't have a clue where his own end is or what to do when he get in it.

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#83 outdoorzguy
February 01 2014, 06:58PM
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"Without superhuman goaltending from Ben Scrivens (and he was just fine in today's loss) the Edmonton Oilers were on the wrong end of a 4-0 score against Boston. They were outshot, outchanced, somehow outhit despite never having the puck and flat-out out-played."

I bet Bryzgalov gets the next start. Thats how this team thinks. We saw one of the greatest goaltending performances ever,(think perfect game good!). Bryz should have been released after the Sharks game so Scrivens could ride the season out.

But ultimately it comes down to this;

We have crappy management.

We have crappy ownership.

We have crappy coaches.

Plain and simple.

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#84 Eulers
February 01 2014, 03:48PM
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We could rename the team the

Edmonton Coach-Killers

If you can't strike fear in the opposition, at least scare the coaches!!

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#85 Oiler Al
February 01 2014, 04:08PM
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Show me da Money wrote:

I think that his RETURN key is broken.

No its not a joke, its only The New Age System, back home from the asylum.

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#86 Oilerz4life
February 02 2014, 12:11AM
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and trade Gagner.

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#87 Spydyr
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beloch wrote:

The 2014 pick is looking pretty sweet right about now. What they heck. Cash it in.

The 2015 1st round pick? Trade it.
The 2016 1st round pick? Trade it.
The 2017 1st round pick? Trade it.

Burn the ships to show the troops that retreat is not an option. Use those picks to bring back some hard-working defensively responsible players with good work-ethics and decent contracts. To get all that, these guys may not be as offensively flashy as you'd hope to get for 1st rounders, but the goal is to make those crap first rounders.

Next:

-Bench any forward who cherry-picks while the opposing team has possession.
-If Gagner wasn't cherry-picking, bench him anyways for having the most ironic name in the NHL.
-Bag skate. Bag skate. Bag skate.
-Blast off and nuke Lowe from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
-Tell the kids that they're no longer kids with great potential. They're adults who are failing because they're slacking off.
-Ask the players to donate half their salary to charity and apologize to all of Edmonton for not doing more to earn it. Maybe class and accountability can start off the ice.
-If the team doesn't have a sports psychologist, hire one.
-If the team does have a sports psychologist, fire him.
-Terminate Eakins' command with extreme prejudice.
-Pay the ice girls to follow Hall, Nuge, Eberle, etc. around during commercial breaks while saying things like, "Gee you guys are slacking off tonight!" or "Poor baby. Want me to beat him up for you?"
-Save every sweater fans throw on the ice and hang them up in the dressing room. Let the team burn one each time they win four games in a row.
-Instruct hotels used by the team that alcohol is off the room-service menu and send the whole damned team to AA.
-Borrow a hard-hat from the Flames. Leave it hanging on the wall unless somebody earns it.
-Take the 'C' away from Ference. It goes on the wall next to the hard-hat until somebody starts earning the hard-hat on a regular basis.
-Have the video room guys splice scenes from "Rocky" into the review tapes.
-Put the damned Gretzky pictures back in the dressing room.

Don't you know you cannot discipline kids anymore and everyone gets a participation trophy.

No responsibility for your actions. Thanks for coming here is a trophy.

It shows.

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#88 madjam
February 01 2014, 02:28PM
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This regression hockey has more to do with management and coaching than the players I'm afraid ! Same mind think and same regressive results ?

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#89 Show me da Money
February 01 2014, 03:43PM
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That power play is such a mystery. With the same young players being one year older and hopefully improved it should have been a power play to fear.

Is it the players or the coaching this year that is responsible for the poor results? Wasn't that Krueger's baby last year?

I am guessing/hoping that the assistant coaches Eakins inherited were done with the understanding that if they didn't work out this year that they would be gone. Please let that be the case.

You can only do so much with poor talent of which the Oilers have plenty but for gawds sake, that power play should be otherworldly by now.

Nothing against Bucky and Smith but guys it's obvious that you aren't part of the solution.

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#90 bazmagoo
February 02 2014, 01:41AM
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@blue31

Well said dude, it's got nothing to do with a lack of talent, at least on paper. Either Eakins system isn't working or the players aren't playing for him, so he's either failing to get them motivated or failing as a tactician. Either way, he's failing! It's not the first time and it won't be the last time an AHL coach has failed moving up to the big leagues. So happy everyone is finally on the fire Eakins bandwagon!

Come on MacT, correct your mistake. Go behind the bench for the rest of the season & ditch this dummy!

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#91 Cynic
February 01 2014, 03:19PM
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Shooled by a real team.

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#92 Rick Stroppel
February 01 2014, 05:56PM
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Ivan Drago wrote:

I don't generally agree with you very often, but on this one I do wholeheartedly.

First off I have believe MacT will improve this team, hes a rookie gm who has imo made more good moves then bad. However, do we even have a pro scouting staff, or does he just ask Eakins who to sign and trade for?

Second, enough excuses have been made for Gagner, he's a one trick pony. Puts up pts when playing with other good players, but brings NOTHING else to the table. Time to go snowpants.

ONE SIMPLE QUESTION

I just have one question and I REALLY hope someone can answer it for me:

IF MACTAVISH HAS MADE MORE GOOD MOVES THAN BAD MOVES, WHY IS THE TEAM IN SECOND LAST PLACE?

PS: MacTavish went back to work for the Oilers in the spring of 2012. He has only been GM for about 9 months but he has been "reconnected" with the organization for almost two years. This is the new "Oilers way": ignore incompetence and/or make excuses for it.

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#93 dougtheslug
February 01 2014, 07:36PM
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Bruce McCurdy, in "Cult of Hockey" wrote (in his evaluation of todays game)....

"#89 Sam Gagner, 2 (out of 10). He kept catching my eye in a bad way. Last guy back over his own blueline time and again, taking bad routes to the puck, doing flybys instead of skating through the man. Those bad habits caught up with him twice and he’s got a nice shiny -2 to prove it. First on that wraparound goal, when any sort of aggressive stand against Hamilton on the far side of the net might have got the job done; instead, it was 89, and the puck was in the net. This on a sequence that began with a weak clearance by Gagner into the neutral zone that had the Bruins re-engaging with speed. Minutes later, he was the last guy floating back over his own blueline when a stray puck went right through the middle (a.k.a. “centre”) of the zone to the goal scorer. Was also one of the defensive culprits on the disallowed goal, losing his man in front and stranding himself in the middle of nowhere. Despite playing hardly at all against Boston’s defensive ace Chara, he did little enough with the disc on his blade, getting one half-chance in the third but on the continuation failing to shoot, pass or stickhandle and being dispossessed of the puck. Later had a brutal turnover right in the middle of his own slot. Engaged in one good d-zone sequence early in the third when his line got owned all the same, and a couple of OK o-zone moments when separated from his usual linemates. About this >

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#94 Alsker
February 01 2014, 07:56PM
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Don't worry about snowpants, Eakins+MacT have it all worked out. When things go bad do the following:

1) Bench Yak

2) Put on line with Hall + Ebs

3) Extra PP time

4) Blame a russian in post-game

So fear not our MVP will be just fine....LMAO

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#95 Pouzar99
February 01 2014, 11:01PM
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I am as frustrated as every other diehard Oiler fan, and fixing this mess will be very hard. The number one problem is Lowe, of course, and we need to find a proven experienced hockey man, who is not an ex-Oiler to come in and clean house. The right man might choose to keep a manager or two but all, or nearly all, must certainly go, obviously including the entire coaching staff, apart from our man in OKC. Hopefully there is enough of a core here, with at least a Top 3 pick coming, to convince such a person to take the reins and my God, they better get the right person. That is if they are even thinking of doing this, as who is competent to tell Katz whom to bring in?

Then there are the players, who have to share a lot of responsibility for the mess we are in. We can slam the top line but they showed under Renney and Kreuger that they can be stars in this league if properly coached and managed. Imagine where we would be today if Renney had not been fired, or Kreuger had not been fired? Things have never been worse than they are right now. The compete level is abysmal, the special teams are totally broken and the players, those that are still trying, look utterly lost. Finally the fans are in open rebellion, but powerless to effect anything.

I fear that nothing much will change for next year. Same president, GM and head coach. They might dump an assistant coach or two, pick up a useful piece at the trade deadline, free agency or the draft, and likely be better next year but for the first time I have increasing doubts that we will be even a playoff team in the near future if major managerial changes are not made and that we are years away from the playoffs even if they are made.

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#96 seanjohn667
February 02 2014, 05:54AM
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cccsberg wrote:

As they say, the proof is in the pudding. All this "great talent" is second worst in the league and heading to the bottom. Sure there are some very talented players, and sure coaching may be (?) a problem, but when you start with a dysfunctional "team", with a bunch of overpaid prima donnas who don't want to/can't play even the basics consistently, do you really think its JUST the coaching?

Just because someone was first overall doesn't guarantee anything. Players have to continue to develop and grow into the NHL game...

8 pts in any game is great, but a career isn't a single game. What has he done since /lately? Past, one-time glory is meaningless unless you can follow it up...

Money in the WJCs? That's about the same level he's providing now. Unfortunately this isn't Juniors, though some nights you'd think many of the Oilers still think it is...

See above comment about "8 pts", though Scrivens does seem to be playing well so far. Unfortunately he's UFA and highly doubtful he'll re-sign unless management shows they are serious about correcting the team's major issues.... (team defence)

Different team...

Why do you think he refused to honour the draft and sign with one of the best teams in the league? Perhaps he knew he was crap on defence and still wouldn't be playing? You really REALLY think that was a coup?

Right.

Rookie, hope he turns out in a couple years. Once he and some other prospects are ready for the big show the Oilers can claw their way out of the basement...

Summary, yes there is talent, but that talent isn't good enough and some significant pieces need to be moved to get a better balanced core.

they have a bad mix of talent, but to give coaching a pass for this year's debacle is self delusion. Coaching counts. if it didn't, Hitchcock and Babcock wouldn't have 7 figure salaries. Will Eakins eventually become a good coach, in time for next year? maybe, probably not. but, is it smart management to treat your coach the same way you treat an 18 year old prospect? do you hire a coach for what he might become? No.

Mact blew it. all he has now is hope that this works out. If I'm a betting man, I predict that, after next season is completely wasted (by Xmas), Mact admits his mistake and goes behind the bench.

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#97 Walter Sobchak
February 02 2014, 06:15AM
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When a team is this rotten there really is no way of knowing what the problems really are?

Obviously the Oilers thought it was the coaching, we found out after 3 coaches that while each coach was good & bad the team always showed some signs of progress.

Except this year.

Mac-T came in & to my astonishment has mastered the complex art of acquiring 5-6-7 defensemen & to a lesser extent been able to procure the Oilers those ever tough 4th line position players & even the rare but awesome father son tandem.

Kevin.....well, the POHO...does anybody know exactly what this guy does? According to Katz he doesn't do anything, according to Mac-T he kind of helps him from time to time, and according to the POHO he does stuff but just doesn't get credit for it anymore.

What does AGM do? I haven't seen that guy all year!!

Howson is suppose to help in what way? The GM or the AGM, the POHO?

When it's this bad the ONLY thing left to do is burn the whole organizational structure down.

When in doubt get rid of everyone

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#98 merfer
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It just seems to me that Gagner wants to be traded. He has totally checked out with this team and doesn't really care what happens so let's move him out fast. I don't care what we get for him. His attitude is hurting the team. It also seems like maybe the coach wouldn't mind getting fired too. He has never connected with this team and just can't get these players inspired. There is just no way this team should be worse than last year. MacT has provided a better base of players so how could we be so much worse? It has got to be the coaching because the talent is better and our young players are more experienced. Hiring Eakins was MacT's biggest mistake, but for him to fix this, he will need to eat a extra large helping of crow and I'm not sure he is ready for diner yet.

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#99 Rick Stroppel
February 02 2014, 09:05AM
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Very weak brother, that's all hindsight ship except for the Eakins hiring.

OOPS! MISSED ONE!

Of course it is hindsight. You cannot criticize people for FUTURE mistakes because they have not been made yet.

In any event, I forgot:

12. Trading Ladislav Smid for almost nothing. Oilers only physical defenseman, currently #5 in the NHL in blocked shots.

BTW, Calgary has three of the top eight players in the league in blocked shots.

Stauffer was talking about Calgary a few weeks ago. He said they were WAY behind Edmonton in their rebuild, and they only had one legit prospect, Sean Monahan. Poor Calgary! Only seven points ahead of Edmonton!

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#100 emonkee
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JW, I am not sure I agree with you on this...as I posted in LT's GDB today, the PLAYERS made a ton of mistakes...in the latter part of a PP in the second period...after a fairly decent 1PP shift, 2nd unit stepped on, hemsky can't control the dump-in, puck was sent down, next possession, after the oilers dump-in, puck was sent around to Gagner, he can't control the puck, and puck got sent down again. Ference retrieved the puck and going up the left side....3 oilers were standing on the left side, leaving only hemsky on the right to try to stop the dump-in, either that is Ference's lack of vision, or the 3 oilers who were on the stuck on the same side. In that play, hemsky tried to drop the puck back to ference, kreiji picked off and created a 3 on 2. Next PP, hall was deep in the zone, but he elected to make another drop pass (these oilers luv to make blind drop passes) to JSchultz, Paille pressured and have a breakaway, thank goodness Scrivens saved it. These are simple plays, not defending Eakins, but I doubt Eakins told the players to cough up the puck that much in the PP. These are on the players...

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